I have wanted to live like this since I was a little girl and as soon as I'm able to w all my court stuff i would love to find a community like this and leave my drug problem and modern society behind. Beautiful way to live!
addiction is essentially a lack of support, this type of community living is the answer. I am getting over addiction myself, its hard because i am really introverted and like being alone but i also long for this type of living.
poli = of the people tics = blood sucking parasites Look at all the other countries who are ran by government and you think United States is going to fully transform into that same picture...YOUR RIGHT... They are just having to destroy all people from getting together and fighting side by side. Or they are just happy with the way things are going....slaves for days and so many toys and places to stay...food from humans for a years upon years....and those who are good little slaves will still be alive to go through their hell.... Oh you thought they were going to kill every body...ha no... they still need slaves to do every thing for them... And they need your power and authority so they can still function...a little over your head I know... The masses are aliens to those who are controlling them. It has been proven too many times... Your belief allows you to do shit about it... All these religions and cults separate us by idea...then allow us to never have to learn or grow or think...just zombie/slaves doing as they are brainwashed to do. Earth sucks anyway...Slavery at its finest... Hunger Thirst Pain Suffering Losing your loved ones to death Having to live with that Abuse in ways you would never have believed a being would do Lies The only beautiful thing is when you let it all go and know its a test/dream/not real....these beings who are too evil, greedy, hateful, selfish, lustful, controlling, all other dna/whatever you want to call it....have shown their true colors and their true intentions....and their being will be erased before it ever was. Rest assured...they will pay
God bless you for showing this. I understand it probably isn't for everybody, but I am learning more and more about this type of lifestyle and I am for it. Checking with a few in my area of the world
I really wish there would be a large revolution or movement, where people just started working together, and building small society's like this, growing their own food and providing for themselves. I mean, once everyone is fully self sufficient, whats the gov going to do then? Raise taxes? No one would pay them... lol NO need for their game anymore.
Justin Jordan Hello all. Id like to start a small home community in the north west area of the US, centered around simple living, peace and old world trades , im a stone sculptor, builder,stone mason and farmer, im extremely motivated and love creating but I need a bit of help finding the right people
Living alternatively for 10 years now and building on it day by day! No electrical items other than what is necessary...everyone can scale back as a good start! Passive solar energy...trees, give me hot water, baking, cooking, central heating and clothes drying!
Thanks for sharing this, Nathalie. I think it's great that there are people out in the world actively working towards self-sufficiency and sustainability in their lives.
I was quite impressed with the interview. It wasn't biased in either direction, in my opinion. After 25 plus years in the computer field and now trying to be as self sufficient as possible, I applaud these young people. But a group of people without a leader is, in my opinion, rudderless and bound to fail. I would suggest Jesus.
This would be awesome to do somewhere like Thailand or in a tropical destination where plenty of produce can be grown at all times and heating wouldn't be as much of an issue
In the video they did say they do have to buy some food. the thing is you choose when or if to work. You would only need a few dollars to get some food. Its better then going to work for 12 hours just to pay a morgage and never have time to enjoy the house, car or things you bought.
Nice film. I met these guys when they were just starting out and it's great to see the project still going from strength to strength. I appreciate that it's not to everyone's tastes but then neither is end of the world/zombie holocaust prepping. Live and let live, keep up the hard work!
Whatever "culture" todays society has it can't be compared to the cultural experience of living within the natural cycles of the earth. Our culture stems from a supply and demand perspective. Where demand always trumps ethical and enviormental standards. If we had any desire to make this world a better place than we would have laws against wasting resources, but we don't, we just demand and get supplied. And only when the supply runs out do we think about changing.
"That mindset seems to be cemented in the majority of us and it is the reason we don't change. We can, but we choose not to." Yeah, it's frustrating when people deny some very obvious challenges we are facing. Most people are only interested in their day-to-day life, and are not disciplined enough to change their habits drastically. I wish I had an optimistic example from history, but they're few. Humans seem to respond to problems when they have too, it is fairly rare that we are proactive.=/
What paradigm? Constructing shacks and sticking overpriced solar panels on the roof? In case you missed it, this ''new paradigm'' is made possible and created by outside mega corporations.
ZS6JMP namaste. On Dec. 21, 2012, those who were aware celebrated the Great Year's Winter Solstice (Plato's terms), the end and the beginning of an approx. 26,000 year cycle. We are shifting from a competitive society into a cooperative society. From masculine dominating energies into female dominated energies. We need to find new/old ways of being more in harmony with nature(like permaculture), and universal laws of energy(like sacred geometry). There are many grassroots organization that the mainstream is unaware of, Soon you will see the 'grass',... and the flowers and the trees, and the birds and the bees, and a thing called love(some are calling it a love revolution), and the truth. I am with Prepare for Change. blessings. diane
Diane Smith Sorry DI all I heard was eco BS and hippie speak. Come again? But peace and green living to you too. Sat there behind your industrial built and powered computer, and fossil fuel heated/cooled house.
i spent a week each year on dartmoor and if these people wish to live there good on them i may join them one day moden life sucks and i think all of you techno freaks should live a week like this it might open your eyes on what life is really about
this community proves that we all can live like this it just takes the know how to survive off the land I'm planning on doing the exact same much like a few people who have commented on this i plan to buy my land and register it live off it and invite others to join me build a community
This is the kind of thing I'm looking for. I think it's a very nice lifestyle. The society we live in these days is only getting worse I think. I hope I will be able to find/build a community like this one day.
I truely respect what you guys are doing. I miss my gardening. We live in an old rv and we try to tread softly on this earth. We only move when our job must move which only happens every 3 months to 1 year apart. We have lived on a farm for a time but it always seems that there are a few who want everyone else to work while they lay back and watch as the supervisors. We beleive everyone should work as hard as all others. I have learned to build solar panels and wind turbans. Good Luck & be happy
Hello friends, how can i get in touch with the people? I have built my own treehouse and live for 2 years outdoors on the isle of skye in scotland. Hope to hear from you soon!
Ewan Guevara I bet the native people of Skye wish you would fuck off back to whatever rat hole you came out of. Did you even respect the Gaelic people by learning the Gaelic language. Amadán.
The future is only limited by the imagination of those considering it. I especially loved the bit where 29-year-old Ollie talked about his "normal" life, and his "natural" life. Before living here, he had a flat, a computer, drug & alcohol problems, lived with depression, and the whole modern lifestyle nine yards. Since moving out, where he feels connected with "nature" and "a real community" around him, he has no such problems. (See 7:45.)
Johanna Lundqvist So do I, and I have a plan for it to work properly. I am in the process of claiming my own land and getting it registered so I can't be turfed off.
i love how i work all the hours god gives me just to pay everyone ese all of it. for a life im depressed with and constantly worrying about financials. im a slave to a system i cant break away from, i wouldnt live in a shed with tarpauling but make a house powered by solar and wind turbines, poo releases gas that can be used on a stove (not to fertalise food). id still work and be part of society just i wouldnt pay rent and bills meaning 15k a year would let me afford the finer things in life. n if i lose my job....... i wouldnt lose anything else.
The future of such projects can't be limited, since people are nowdays becoming more aware of the backdrop of how the food they eat is commercially grown, and the importance of a healthy environment. People are fed up of having to apply for a 'permit' in order to do anything. Many of us want to be free to live our lives the way we want.
thanks for the video, i thank you all are doing a great job at living off the grid, , and for the outher people that dont understand keep you mouth quite, at least these people are not paying light bills,water trash cable and so on, my hat is off to you, regards,
I don't see (as the narrator said) how they are immune from increases in the costs of living. They must still purchase some things such as clothing, shoes for growing children's feet, meal, internet service, computers. So unless they cut out 100% of these things (and I'm sure there are more), the increases in these things will affect them. But it just won't be as bad for them as for other people. I admire their way of living. Good for them!
"The future of such projects is limited" I think people have to want to give up their modern way of life in exchange for a more fulfilling and simple life. So in that regard, at the moment it seems unlikely that people, who are SO dependent on a consumerist and wasteful approach to life, would fail to see any desire to give that up, when they can get what they want easily and cheaply. In my opinion, what you get you should work for at least in some direct way to produce and by doing so gives you an idea of the real worth.
So you work to pay your heating bill. They work by chopping wood. Or didn't you notice the piles around them and work going on. When you cut firewood trust me you the worth of the work. Or do you think the fairies do it while everyone dances I circles?
I wasn't saying they don't work for their heat, in my opinion I find it much more fulfilling to do such things rather than just sitting at an office desk to pay for the ease of heating. I may be wrong but it seems you're taking me for being on the anti-what they're doing side of things? I'm very much FOR this lifestyle and not belittling the hard work that is put into self sufficiency..
I lived in Devon for a short time and i miss it terribly. Would love to move back here as I do not want to stay in the States. I don't know how to go about getting back there as I really have lost touch with folks I used to know.
"The system needs us, we don't need it" I'm fairly moderate on this point too. The biggest problem with the system today is environmental scarcity; we are quickly approaching a catastrophe. But other parts of technology have benefited mankind hugely, imo. Advances in medicine, logistics, and information technologies make life longer, less painful, more mobile, and more connected. But i definitely understand the spirit of your point. =)
I've been giving this sort of thing serious consideration lately, although the only real place I could make it happen is up on a mountain where the only way to get water would be to haul it in and collect it from rain. And the access road is impassible when wet so I'd be hiking about a mile up a mountain when the weather's bad. I'd still be working and getting food from the grocery store as well.
"I think the main reason culture ideals took so long to change back than has alot to do with communication and media capabilities of the time" Great point! I certainly believe change happens much faster today. =) "lessons learned in the past should guide us in learning in the future" Ideally, yes. But humans seems to have a short memory. =/ "we should always question what we think we know" Intellectual humility is one of the cornerstones of wisdom ;)
I think the main reason culture ideals took so long to change back than has alot to do with communication and media capabilities of the time.In a world where a huge percentage is all connected via the internet,and information is easily distributed,change should come far more easy than it could in the past.And lessons learned in the past should guide us in learning in the future. Instead of believing that ideas or beliefs we have are absolute truths,we should always question what we think we know
to raise your food look up Peaceful gardens,com and dig out a 6 foot basement underneath the dome as shown on peaceful gardens, apply black tar paper on the walls of the dirt for heat or solar power, and adjust accordingly.
Nice one! I'd like to live in a place like that but oddly I don't dislike my job. I'm a mechanic. When I fix a bus or a truck and return it to service, I can point to it and know that I did something useful. I also like community and permaculture but I can't get much of that while I'm living in this condo.
I agree that the consumers,as in the people,have control to make the difference by what they buy/support."Green" products in our stores and fair trade are great ways to express your support.But it is obvious to see that these things are a very small market right now.Just simply look around the cities and see which stores are most abundant and large (walmart, fast food, 7-elevens, etc).These stores have very small sections dedicated to "green" products.So this change isn't very significant yet.
I don't believe we are born with self-interest to the extent that our society has become so self involved. But we are born with the self-interest to survive and be happy, its how we are conditioned to learn to come by these things that is a problem in our society. "99% of our actions are because we WANT to do them",that says it perfectly. What we "want" has become more important than what we need.We seem to be willing to destroy this very earth to aquire our wants, even at the price of our needs
The nurture vs nature argument is substantial and I don't have a perfect answer. Imo, our habits and motives are formed from a combination of both. While we are born with the same self-interest that all life is born with, humans are unique in our ability to shape ourselves based largely in early-childhood dev. Basically, we can shape what we personally define as self-interest, but I believe that 99% of our actions are because we want to do them. Your point on history is absolutely accurate =)
I think this is based on the idea that industrialized agriculture is a more efficient use of arable land than organic farming. In fact there is every reason to believe the opposite. In a relatively closed loop nutrient system like this, the land can actually get more fertile with time, whereas fertility on industrial farms will collapse without the constant inflow of artificial fertilizers from petrochemicals.
"We are kept in check by a very well thought out system of control" I have a moderate perspective on this one. I definitely see a ton of "sheeple" who are largely unware, but I also meet a lot of people who have formed individual thought, and critical examination skills. I get the impression that a certain percent of the population has always been "along for the ride," but that doesn't mean we all are ;) Today, information is easily available, and I think that helps foster greater awareness =)
"demand always trumps ethical and enviormental standards" I largely agree with you, especially with much of the world is still catching up. China for ex, is mostly interested in growing their economy rather than protecting their environment. You're right that our current system is based on endless growth. One counter i can offer is that demand(consumers) can turn an economy in a different direction. For ex, the explosion of the "green economy" sustainable organic products & fair trade =)
"These stores have very small sections dedicated to "green" products.So this change isn't very significant yet." Agreed, the green economy is only a small part of the overall economy today. What is encouraging to me is its tremendous growth in the past two decades. Cultural change happens over generations, and today's youth has grown up with a much greater degree of environmental awareness. Today, it is "cool" to be an environmentalist, and that is a positive development, imo =)
Do this group stiil exits and how do you get into this group and do you need money or experience....please could you let me know....would love to live selfsuffience
@nathaliel99 - Thank you for sharing this video with us. I admire the idea of Alternative Living that this video presents. It's encouraging to learn about small communities of people who are doing what they can to live sustainably. I understand that they we're giving permission to live on the land based on conditions set up by the folks that own the part. What a wonderful way to be able to practice Permaculture and Sustainability. Good stuff.
Interesting, hope it works out. Really hard to live in the states like this without money, proper building permits etc. sadly. Local law enforcement Could shut this down for all sorts of code violations. Thanks for sharing.
Come on down to the south! We don't care if you live in the woods, it'll give us something to talk about😜.. We bought a shed from lowes and was warned to get moving permits. I called the city council and they said they didn't care what we moved and offered to close a road if we needed it!!
This doesn't mean we should abandon efforts to make our own communities more sustainable, but it does probably mean the "catastrophe" won't be completely avoided for at least another generation or two. Let's hope that we advance quickly. It can be frustrating to see an issue like this and not be able to fix it with quick concise reforms, but humans don't seem to change in that way. Ultimately I'm an optimist, I think humans will eventually get their shit together, it's only a matter of time =)
To clarify, there is no surplus if everyone decides to grow their own food organically there is a HUGE shortage in that scenario. Even if you were allowed to use modern methods and fertilizer it's not practical for everyone to produce their own food. (and there would still be a shortage). I would recommend you an everyone else to watch the following short youtube-clip to get a better understanding of this: watch?v=IYO3tOqDISE
the 'earthship' design for construction, permacultural food forests & aquaponics for food & medicine, microalgae biodiesel for machinery, solar-hydrogen "mike strizki set up" & wind turbines for electricity. sorted. that's what the world needs to achieve & it begins with us planning & Acting towards networking with people with other skills for creating a self-sustainable community. eventually we could achieve a co-existing network of small communities, each one making a domino effect.
Excellent points here! The pliable mentalities of many humans bugs me as well. I think it has always been a challenge for leaders to deal with largely uninformed masses. As I noted in another post, "Many people are along for the ride." Knowing this, i believe that cultural change is the only meaningful and non-violent method to change. =/ Although the laws were enacted 160 years ago, it took America many generations before racism was largely eliminated. We had to change the culture. =/
"Lots of people see through the system. There are a larger number though who don't" Heck yeah! "its easy to get lost in the system" Where i get lost is in balancing the multiple perspectives I encounter. I am an environmentalist, who is also a supporter of free-markets. It has been tough to come to compromises between these two powerful schools of thought. The tragedy of the commons versus individual voluntary liberty. =/
Yes, it's horribly hot...! Like swimming through the air. But it does rain enough, and often enough, that you could just store up the water for when it's needed. The only problem would be needing to make sure all of it was purified and drinkable first, as the bacteria can have nasty effects on foreigners.
@verno002 I couldn't have said it better myself. Women in many less developed nations are forced to have children until they have a male, or 2 males. Also, they rarely use contraceptives, this leads to high fertility rates in these growing nations. Women need liberation. I think economic equality is also just as important. Putting economic decisions in the hands of the people doing the work, not corporate moguls, will help achieve this goal.
A family of 4 could have 12 acres, which is quite large. Have you ever gardened an acre? That's one hell of a lot of work, you can truck garden on that and sell produce. Actually it takes MUCH LESS land intensively gardened to feed people than if you tractor-farm it with monocultures everywhere. So doing that would actually free-up land from what we're doing now!
that's been my dilemma too. our land use laws, building permits, planning, permits etc. are very strict in the UK. aaaaand land in the UK is ridiculously expensive! so here's what i'm thinking... getting either (1) a winning lottery ticket or (2) land in a place that's fucked yet beautiful, like spain or portugal. most important thing is to consider that pooling people's money together opens opportunities. 10 people x £2000 each = self sufficient agricultural cooperative, community and business.
i live in a truck with another bunch of people they also have vehicles and we all move around in a small group. being self sufficient on the road is not easy.garden plants aren't all that keen on travelling..but due to the ever present abundancy of consumerist goods obtaining essentials free is relatively easy... doing supermarket skips...or shoplifting...siphoning diesel..and nicking solar pannels....bad karma but we at least target our misdeeds against large companies...
It is the trendiness of it that bugs me though. Every young generation of the past has had there own "trendy" thing to do that went against what the older people are doing. Many of these people can be corrupted to change because it is necessary for them due to circumstances in their life (having unexpected kids, getting in debt, low paying job, etc). And because the "green" market is small, it will be more expensive to dedicate yourself to being "green", so people drop the "trend".
We run a 2 week permaculture design course at the Wood most summers - this year between 15th & 30th September. It's a fab place to learn and this year we're adding more of an emphasis on nature awareness too. Hope to see you there! Check out the Designed Visions website for more details.
@martinzwanenburg ID cards are not legally required here. Britain is not a police state. Whenever some government tries to bring in ID cards, overwhelming public opposition prevents it.
These people are trying hard to live a decent way of life ..... a lot of us would like to do the same, but lack the courage to do so, and will probably "leave it up to the next bloke" to sort the planet out. The major flaw in trying to live as we did 300 years ago, is that there were less than a billion people on the planet back then. There is now a population of more than six billion humans on the planet, a figure which is rapidly growing...Back then the average life span was 45/50 years old...If everyone suddenly decided to live this way we would have to be prepared to die in our fifties in order to sustain ourselves. The planet was here long before we were. And will still be here long after the last greedy destructive human is dead and mankind is gone ...then planet earth can easily heal "itself" .Most people who talk about saving the planet, really mean, tailoring the planet to suit the needs of humans.................. thanks for sharing your video.
+Mark Evans I think it is not about living like they used to 300 years ago. It is so much more than that. Is is about reclaiming your sovereignty, it is about exploring, it about rethinking. Old meets new, they did not have solar panels 300 years ago... More and more people want a different way of life and hold other view points and values.
Enjoyed the video Nathalie. I often feel like escaping from the rat race, have done ever since high school. Like so many people though, it's taking that extra little step that hinders the decision choice. I would love to join you all, or even start a community just like yours, but getting enough of the right kind of people is a drawback that most would struggle to overcome. I wish you all well, though. Wish I had the guts to turn my back on consumerism and listen to the wind rather than the tv.
I know all about them, they are a product of modern technology and are not considered "organic" or "natural" by the people i was criticizing. Also you can't really use hydroponics or aquaponics in a completely self sufficient society. Efficient hydro/aquaponics systems are pretty high tech and dependent on complicated electrical components and fertilizer. If you remove those you are sort of back on square one.
Farming already takes no time at all, since I don't have to farm anything to eat. Since I don't have to grow my own limited array of food, I have more time to do the things I enjoy... I also help others by doing useful things at work, which other people buy with the money they get by doing useful things for me and other people. Say I work in a callcenter, take a loan on a house, then the people who made the paperwork at the bank get paid and in turn pay the people that built the house.
@jodee934 Perhaps you are right to an extent regarding my confusing the terminology. However, these people make a great show of rejecting most of the accepted comforts of modern life that almost all of us take for granted, like electricity and regular housing. That's why I suggested that they should say that they work or interact as little as possible with the modern world. They could live in a house if they wanted to. There are plenty of big, cheap houses on the market now.
How far a nation/culture is developed depends on how you define what developed is. North america, parts of asia, and eruope are more developed from a industrial/tech/economic prespective, but we are far less developed in our understanding of how our actions/choices effect the world around us. A point could be made to say that we have become less developed/civilized than the actient tribes we are descendant from. Global economic equilibrium is impossible in a capatalist world.
