We just uploaded our 1 year review of this trailer! Check out the video here and thanks for watching ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a8NJ8VXRIuQ.html
Excellent review! As fellow Altoistes who've owned the 1723 and now the 2114 we agree with the points you've made. One additional difference is that the 2114 still attracts attention from other campers, but not to the extent the 1723 did.
Ohh I hadn't thought of that! We get stopped a LOT at gas stations with our teardrop Alto. Fortunately for me (Justin here), I looove to talk about my trailer with strangers (shocker). The look on people's faces when I raise the roof is priceless!
Thanks for the great video. This trailer has been on my radar for a few years now and your video has nailed it for me. I’ll be diligently planning and saving for my future plans to synch up my preorder.
I'm in the very early stages for researching a getaway trailer and have been devouring your content here and on your fabulous blog! I wanted to thank you for providing such amazing details and insights. Your content is well thought out and has been invaluable and saved me a ton of time as I try to learn everything to make an informed decision. I'm pretty sold on a Safari Condo (probably an R so I can park in our garage), now will wait for the right one and timing. Also, I'm in the Seattle area and love to backpack, so your videos have been inspiring for the backcountry trips as well! Cheers to you both!
Hey Kimberly! Your lovely comment just totally made our evening!!! Receiving messages like this is one of the many reasons why we love sharing our adventures. Thanks so much for watching (and reading) and good luck with your Alto purchase. Don't hesitate to let us know if you have any questions along the way.
Great video. It’s so nice to see some of these features as we anxiously await our F2414 for our family of 4, but I’m still in awe of the retractable roof model. Maybe one day we will downsize! Looking forward to your next video. Happy travels!
Thanks for watching! Admittedly, the F1743 and R1723 are a better comparison for those on the fence between the 17-foot fixed and retractable roof models. Guess we'll just have to make a video featuring those two together in the future 🙂
We tow with a Highlander hybrid. We've sense upgraded to a newer Highlander hybrid (we love them). The dry weight for the 2114 is a little shy of 2400 lb. That's without optional add-ons. The trailer tows very well behind the Highlander hybrid (3500 lb towing capacity), but it's important to remember that, if you have a lot of add-ons, you like to travel with full holding tanks, or you generally have a lot of camping accessories, you may not be able to get away with a midsize SUV.
We are towing with a Highlander hybrid that has a 3500 lb capacity. You should have no problem towing with a 4Runner which I believe has a 5,000 lb capacity. The dry weight for the f2114 before optional add-ons is just shy of 2400 lb
I just found your channel and I love it. I really want to learn about about the technology that allows you to create and store electricity for off grid camping. Also the apps you mentioned in another video sound like an amazing help. I am curious where some of your favorite spots are as well. We too live in the Pacific Northwest! Great videos!
Hello fellow Pacific northwesterners! Thanks so much for watching. Glad you enjoyed the videos. We just recently quit our corporate jobs and transitioned to living on the road full time so you're about to see a LOT more content about how we get power while traveling on the road. See you on the road!
We just uploaded our one year review of this trailer! Let us know if you have any questions. 😊 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a8NJ8VXRIuQ.html
Hi, Would love to hear more on your recent adventures in the F2114 and how you are liking it. Do you have another video coming out soon? It looks like a pretty cool trailer. Wondering if there is anything you would add to it for options that you don't have or not get that it does have? Great job with your videos!
Hey thanks so much for watching! We're glad you enjoyed the video. We actually just shot our 1-year video review of the F2114 and we're editing it as we speak! Be sure to subscribe to be notified when it's published in the next few days. Hopefully all of your questions (and more) will be answered :) .
Hi, great video! Noticing your tow vehicle, the Highlander. I’m considering that myself and I think it’s the 2013 models, maybe just the Limited?, that comes with a tow package standard - less the actual hitch. What model year do you have?
Hi Kimberly, Thanks for the review of your 2 trailers. We live in Spokane, Washington. We just retired, and ironically are trying to decide between these 2 trailers. We would like to know if you have tracked the difference in gas mileage. We are concerned about the increased drag with the larger one, but otherwise, we love it for the space.
Great video. Pretty bummed because I think the f2114 is the one for us but my garage is 19 1/2’ deep so at 21’ length I wouldn’t be able to keep it in my garage.
That is a bummer. Have you checked out our video tour of the 17' long Alto R1723? When its retractable roof is raised, it's actually taller inside than the fixed-roof, 21' long F2114! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TgaeC_VNS9Y.html Thanks for watching. Let us know if you have any other questions.
How's the headroom in the F2114, Justin? I'm 6'5" (thought you're tall, too), and one thing I really like about the R1723 is that the retractable roof makes it a small trailer I could fit in our 8' garage, but still stand up in when we set it up. Are you ducking in the F2114? Will you be storing it in a garage?
Hey (Justin here)... I've not had any issues at all, but I'm only 6'0" tall. I just did a search ("f2114 height") in the Altoistes FB community and found a really helpful diagram with all of the F2114's measurements. This is not confirmed, but apparently it's 6"4" from floor to ceiling. Thanks for watching. Edit: we just uploaded our 1-year review of this trailer and we include a small section where we cover that height in the trailer in the bathroom (where it's a little bit shorter due to the shower pan). You can check it out here... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a8NJ8VXRIuQ.html
Looks like you're still pulling with the HiHy. How does it handle, with what the extra weight of that trailer? (We're planning to tow with our HiHy too, though our 1st Alto will likely be an R1723.)
It's been doing great! In fact, we haven't even noticed a difference while towing. Our gas milage seems to be the same too, but I think that's because we're intentionally packing lighter and towing with dry holding tanks to compensate for the extra weight. We love our Highlander so much!
Hi there! Awesome video. Thank you for the info as I am looking for an Alto and was considering both models. At 7:00 exactly in the video, you have a shot of an incredible park area. Can you tell me what this is? Thank you.
Thanks so much for the compliment! Glad you liked the video. That is the sawtooth national Forest near Stanley Idaho. It's dispersed camping land. Let us know if you have any questions about the alto.
The 1723 looks neat and it's a cool concept, but it seems like a really expensive toy. I can see it if you have to store it a garage, but I can't imagine how much it'd cost when the retractable roof mechanism breaks.
Hey thanks for watching! That is a valid concern, but we are in a Facebook group with thousands of other Alto owners and issues with the roof mechanism are EXTREMELY rare and these things have been on the road for over a decade. It's really a testament to their quality.
That is my favorite Alto, 2114! Great review. Do you guys bought it used or waited 2 years for it? Is there any way to get an used Alto, is there a Alto forum?
Thanks so much for watching! We're glad you like the video. The F2114 was loaned to us by Safari Condo. We purchased our R1723 (the retractable roof model) used from a couple in Louisiana. The go-to spot for finding used Alto inventory is a Facebook group called Altoistes Marketplace... facebook.com/groups/348814702673127/?ref=share Just know what options are a must-have for you and be prepared to make an offer quickly. Sometimes they sell within hours or even minutes of being listed for sale.
Wow, so it's hard to find a place to park at 21 ft trailer? I thought it was only those that had 35 ft and up RVs that had to deal with that headache?! Also, the chick's eyes were really pretty
After traveling with this trailer for a year, were happy to report that parking in campsites has not been an issue like we had guessed! We're actually making a 1 year review video now so stay tuned. 🙂
I’ve been intrigued by their retractable roof trailer. I main concern is heat and you confirmed that it can at as a greenhouse. If you went off for the day, would the trailer stay cooler if you lowered the roof while you were away?
Maybe a degree or two, but it probably wouldn't make that much of a difference. Regardless, the first thing you're going to be doing when you get back is opening the windows and turning the fan to 100%.
Hey Joe. The repair timeline for our R1723 is still TBD. Once ready, we'll list it on the "Altoistes Marketplace" Facebook group, so I'd recommend joining that group and turning on notifications.
Can the F2114 be towed with a vehicle with a 3500 lb tow capacity? I'm concerned with the weight with a full loaded trailer and passengers. Have you weighed your current setup?
This is a great question. I don't want to speak for every vehicle, however we consulted with Safari Condo about our Toyota Highlander Hybrid and they expressed no concerns about its 3,500lb towing capacity. For what it's worth, we know of many others in the Alto community that tow with a 3,500lb TV and have had no issues. For others reading this and wondering if 3,500 pounds is enough for you, it's worth mentioning that we travel VERY light compared to the average RVer. Part of this is because we're minimalist travelers who have grown accustomed to traveling internationally with a single backpack each. Also, we like saving money on gas when we travel domestically in our RV. We do not have a lot of common camping accessories like grills, generators, dogs fences, heavy chairs, folding tables, etc. Additionally, we try as hard as possible to travel with empty holding tanks (black, gray, and fresh) and never carry more water than we need... instead favoring getting water with a jerry-can and bringing it back to our trailer once it's at the campsite. This is undoubtedly an inconvenience for some, but a trade-off we're willing to make. Thanks for watching!
Yes! But it depends on the SUV. We are very light travelers, so we got away with towing with our Highlander hybrid which has a 3500 lb towing capacity.
It really depends on how you camp. 3,500 lbs does not leave a lot of breathing room for a 2400 lb trailer. Do you travel with a lot of accessories (mats, chairs, tables, grills, fire pits, dog gates, etc.) Do you need to travel with partially full or full holding tanks (black, gray, fresh)? We travel super light so we can get away with a 3,500 lb TV. If you suspect you'll need more, consider a larger tow vehicle in addition to trailers like these.
I believe you're only option for an alto dealer in the United States is Durango RV in Colorado. Aside from that you'll have to go to Safari condo mothership in Quebec or Get-Away RV in British Columbia. You can also consider checking out the Altoistes Marketplace Facebook group where people list their used Alto trailers for sale. facebook.com/groups/348814702673127/?ref=share&mibextid=DcJ9fc
The holding tanks are a little small, but with judicious water use, you can definitely stay out camping for a while. Of course, it helps if you have a Jerry can so you can bring extra water to the trailer. You can also invest in a waste cart as well. I would definitely research the options that are available and consider getting solar panels and a larger lithium battery array depending on if you do a lot of camping in dense tree coverage in the Pacific Northwest (like us). The inverter option is also nice as it will allow you to use a microwave without electrical hookups (if that's a necessity for you). Also, the three-way fridge option is nice as you can use it on direct current from the battery or with propane.
I'm sorry but the other trailer is a large Tear Drop style... this is just another large trailer with more space, also the large space problems...such as camp ground issues you brought up and the garage storage of the other was an important feature. There are at ton of great 20 foot trailers on the market... This company's unique tear drop style and pop top is what was great about it. Sorry...
No apologies necessary. Thanks for sharing your opinion. For us, the advantage to the F2114 (compared to other 20 ft trailers) is the lightweightness, build quality, and resale value. The travel trailer market has been plagued with some very poorly designed trailers that fall apart. That is not the case with trailers manufactured by Safari condo these trailers sell used for as much and sometimes even more than they do when they're new. Definitely unheard of in the industry.
Yes. Sorry it's hard to see in the video, but a shower curtain wraps around the interior of the bathroom and the sink handle lifts from the basin (via a hidden hose) and can be placed in a cradle near the ceiling for a hands-free shower experience. It's also worth mentioning that these trailers have an exterior shower with hot and cold water on the outside wall of the trailer. Let us know if you have any other questions. Thanks for watching. FYI... we just published a full review of the F2114 on our blog: uprootedtraveler.com/safari-condo-alto-f2114-review/
If you're working with a standard height garage (83 in opening), you probably want to consider the Alto R1723 which has a retractable roof. You can check out our video tour of that trailer here... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TgaeC_VNS9Y.html
