It's WILD that her voice actress confirmed that during auditions, Amaya was the villain while Magnifico was a good king, but by callbacks, the roles reversed.
And yet neither was the Milan of wish, but main girl was the true villan if wish, cause she caused everything, were everything was fine till she caused the king to get corrupted, cause oftryingvto stop her, wich she was in denial the whole movie that she caused it
I think Amaya might be the true villain of Wish, she's just not about announcing her plans to the rest of the kingdom. I haven't actually seen the movie and only have knowledge of it from other people dissecting and analyzing it, but Amaya doesn't to try too hard to dissuade Magnifico from using Forbidden magic nor does she seem to have any conflicting feelings after he gets imprisoned in the mirror. This is from someone who supposedly loved him and had been with him for years. But the moment he goes down a dark path she's perfectly fine supporting this young girl and her friends overthrow him? She sings about how Magnifico only cared about the crown, but I think that was her motivation slipping through.
Y'know what is villainous? Saying you're loyal but acting genuinely happy that your husband is stuck in a mirror and throwing him away like yesterday's trash
That’s very true. The movie basically justified the teenage girl gathering people together in a group think because she got mad that she couldn’t get what she wanted. and then the plot force the king to become evil for no apparent reason
It’s bizarre. It only makes sense if her real motivation was to take his power, which would make far too much sense. Like “i’ve seen too many bad things that I can’t keep count” is a blatant lie looking at the plot objectively.
Yah they should have just made it that either he gets "cured" of the corruption, or she says WITH SADNESS that he'll have to be put somethwere safe for awhile, and in a few months they can free him and see if he's back to normal, basically giving us hope he can be saved. I just hate how this film sets him up as an egtistical but still pretty benevolant magic king, no one HAS to come to Rosas, no one HAS to give him their wishes, no one HAS to hope their wish is granted. Sure he's in the wrong for hording the wishes, he should be able to give people back their wishes if they want them since the wish does make them lose a drive to accomplish that wish. Then rather then it just being his flaws that make him go evil he gets desperate and by using the fobidden magic THAT corrupts him and makes him do evil things, the magic is what's makign him do evil, not himself.
I mean, she did watch the good in him "fade". She tried to stop Magnifico from using that book and it worked once. I think that she knew that Magnifico was fully evil when she tried to stop him again. Personally, I would want a corrupted person to be trapped in a mirror that I could break any time.
What bothered me the most was Amaya's reaction to Magnifico's defeat. You would think she would be heartbroken about how her husband fell into darkness (because she knows he's been corrupted) and be upset about his fate. All it would take is a melancholy scene of her picking up the mirror and looking upon the monster inside with sadness before wrapping it up in a cloth to be put somewhere safe. It would have shown that while she knows they did what had to be done, she will always love the man he used to be and carry on creating the kingdom they wanted to create. Instead, she's like "Lol you're in a mirror know. I'm the queen now, because girl boss. BTW I never loved you."
@@juicebox7372 I'd say it's just that the writing trend of 'A woman doing something bad is worse than a man doing the same' is both annoying and harmful
The idea of Amaya and Magnifico being this evil power couple who was deeply infatuated and in love with each was such a great idea that would have been adorable, scary but also hilarious to watch. Why this was not the final idea in the movie is beyond my comprehension.
According to her VA in a January article, the recording took about a year and every now and then they'd come back and make her a but kinder. I wonder if this was an exec decision since (by comparison) male Disney villains aren't as popular as female villains. Plus Jennifer Lee said in an interviee before the film came out that Asha defeating a king wasn't a statement about the monarchy, highlighting how Amaya was a good and just queen. Seeing how little she was in the film, I wonder why they made her so bland, as well as going out of their way to highlight her being a good queen in contrast to Magnifico.
@@OpticalSorcerer And that is such a shame because the final product of Amaya is just...so forgettable. You could practically take her out completely and almost nothing would change.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 "Knowing What I Know Now" highlights everything wrong with the supporting characters in the film; this could've easily been sung by random villagers with Asha. The Teens are more caricatures of the 7 dwarves rather than feeling fleshed out (they should've made 3 or 4 of them instead), and Amaya's involvement did nothing for their plan since Magnifico outsmarted them anyway--and I still question how he lost, given that he has so many abilities... In the ideal world, villain Amaya would've reminded me of Queen Regina from "Once Upon a Time" and Magnifico (whether using his good or evil concept) would've been a cross between King Triton and King Stefan.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Yup! If only they took inspiration from their own "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" or fairy tales like "The Fisherman and His Wife" and "The Pink"/"The Carnation."
Imagine a Disney Villain Couple, it would be such a great idea, basically like a mix of Maleficent and Hades in one movie, but instead we got the stereotypical “man bad, women always good”
Eh, it depends on if they were written well; the final proruct could've been better if the writing wasn't sub-par. Plus I'm curious if they were actually in love or just had common interests.
@@OpticalSorcererwell thats true but lets just day the main idea sounds really interesting as Disney never did that in films. Could be theyre really in love with each other or just interest relationahip with both compiting about who hets more power at the end, but at any case it could tuen pretty cool to see.
@@gaothhermesk1289 Considering that during production, there was a point when Amaya was the sole villain and Magnifico was a good person, I imagine the villain couple idea would've been neat if Amaya was like Queen Regina from "Once Upon a Time" and Magnifico was a tortured villain/fallen hero.
There are multiple fan-made animatics using old voice lines of Queen Amaya, and they're SPECTACULAR. She was such a great villain, and her interactions with Magnifico were so full of chemistry, they acted like Gomez and Morticia Addams. The final film has her completely devoid of personality or chemistry at all.
Fr. She was kind of just simping for the king the whole movie. She was just telling him how great and handsome he was, without actually having a personality. This is another example of how Disney is so scared of frightening that they forgot how to make a good movie with passion and soul
Fr that storyboard scene where she and Magnifico planning to take the wishes of the last hamlet in the forest was so good and the romance between them is devilishly cute
Amaya as a twist villain worth watching because not only do we get the obvious villain we get a twist villain in the same movie as well blending modern and classic Disney. It's brilliant.
It's a shame they were more focused on various references than making a good story. In contrast to a twist villain, I would've enjoyed a corrupted villain. Amaya would be the obvious villain, while Asha's naivete and idealism accidentally exposes Rosas' selfishness, awakening Magnifico's PTSD and making him a villain because he believes humans are naturally selfish and baseless dreams (ie stuff people wish for just because or want the easy way out rather than working hard first) need to be destroyed. Or you know, ripoff Dreamworks and make Magnifico a parody of Shrek 2's fairy godmother. It'd be a hilarious clapback at DW parodying them.
Honestly I think she's supposed to be the evil queen from Snow White. Which would explain why she was originally supposed to be evil. But also maybe that means she is actually a secret twist villain? IDK
@@OpticalSorcerer was the villain from Snow White only Queen by marriage? I don't remember that but it's been a while. But 1. her crown is very similar to the Evil Queen's crown 2. Her husband is the magic mirror and that works explain how she came to possess said mirror 3. Lots of people have pointed out she was originally written as the villain in this to the point that's how the voice actress auditioned 4. Since the whole movie essentially turned out to be an origin story for a bunch of characters and she was supposed to be the villain, that ended up with the magic mirror and was a queen with that crown it makes sense that this would be the evil queen origin story. One more point that just occurred to me is how the dark magic resembles the Evil Queen's magic in Snow White, with all the green whisps and what not. Thoughts?
@@4jgarner The fairy tale states that the king remarried, and practically speaking, it wouldn't make sense if the stepmother was a queen beforehand, since Snoe White's dad would either be lower class (unlikely, plus the queen wouldn't allow SW to have the princess title) or king (which means SW has a kingdom to go to to escape, but given that there's a wandering unrelated prince nearby, this is unlikely). Magnifico has never been shown the power of omnipotence like the mirror, and everything else you mentioned were mainly Easter eggs rather than purppsefully trying to create a consistent Disney timeline/origin story. That's partially why I despised the film; they were more focused on references than good writing.
They literally had the greatest modern Disney villains in the plam of their hand, but instead she got sidelined as a good guy while Charo just got deleted altogether....
I listened this is the thanks I get and this one of the worst disney villain songs that've ever heard. It's worse than the world's greatest criminal mind from the great mouse detective, it's worse than hellfire from the hunchback of notre dame. King magfinico is one of the worst and the most disappointing disney villain that I've ever seen. He's worst than hans(a sympathic twist villian)from frozen. He's worst than juge claude frollo(evil). He 's worst than sikes(evil) from oliver and company. King magfinico tried so hard to be like these evil villain and he wasn't evil. He was a good guy in the final movie.
I think what annoys me the most is it feels like they just wanted a moment for Magnifico to be HUMILIATED rather than actually defeated because the way the queen just smuggly hands over her husband without so much of a hint of connection or concern. They could have had a twist at the end where the Queen comes back to where her husband is being kept and steals him back as she's draped in black, foreshadowing she is planning to set him free and she is a loving wife....but an evil queen.
I seriously don't understand why can't we have villains who care about their loved ones. Sure, they might have twisted morals. They might have problematic personalities - they also might be in the wrong in a specific situation, or because of trauma, because most people are not born evil. But for me, every tale would be so much more heartbreaking, if we would see that even a villain can love someone. Even in the little mermaid, I felt a bit of pity for Ursula, when her pets died, because they showed that there is a spark of care in her. Imagine how much more powerful a story could be, if Magnifico actually loved his kingdom, loved Amaya, and Amaya cared for him too, but their morals are so far apart that it is no longer enough.
I can't say I liked her character at all. She was basically the second in command for a decade or more. She had to know all the secrets Asha learned during her "apprenticeship" after all why would he tell a random girl he just hired secrets his wife doesn't even know? Then the Queen goes on to know he's possessed by the evil book and just dumps all responsibility for anything she's done and blames her husband. Worse she's happy he's imprisoned for all eternity in a mirror, a fairly harsh punishment for some one who didn't even kill a single person far as I remember. His only real crime was not granting wishes to every one who wanted them.
Disney is so worried about scaring two-year-olds, that they forgot how to make a good movie with passion and a good story, script, and villains. To me, Asha was kind of just a brat who lashed out because she didn’t get what she wanted. In the villain was just there for plot. It was only evil because the movie needed him to be, without him, actually doing anything evil
I hated that Amaya wasn't that much shaked about how Magnifico was reacting to magic. She tried to help him once, and didn't even try that hard, she left him because "he's a bad guy" when she lived half of her life with him ??? She was portrayed as being so much in love with him, and in the end mock his ex husband because he lost, she doesn't even feel sad, guilty, or just annoyed ??
Not only a waste of potential, but a plot that made Magnifico an actual villain. I will be honest, I haven’t seen “Wish”, but it sounds like Magnifico was a good man who was too stubborn to change his ways, and then became so increasingly desperate that he turned to a source of evil that corrupted him. That’s not really a villain in my opinion. They could’ve even cured him and had him make amends, working with Asha and Maya to find a new and better way to grant wishes. Kinda went on a tangent but it’s just so sad to see what the movie could’ve been.
I'm kinda thanks for Wish for making me realised that sometimes being Predictable/Obvious/Straight up in your story is okay instead of trying to poorly creating a twist or convoluted😅
True, in fact if they took their scraped ideas, maybe the film wouldnt be an Oscar worth winning or a Masterpiece but might ended up as quick nostalgia trip with good callbacks presented in a cool way just like Mario Movie
It’s the two buns lol. I immediately thought this when I saw The Director again after seeing clips of this movie. Crazy how she has a better motive than a classic Disney villain.
Except the Director is actually a good exploration of how governments use hate to remain in power while Amaya is none of that Or in other words, people actually like the Director
Should've been the twist villain who manipulated Magnifico and then after exposure eats the wishes and transforms into a dragon causing Asha, the star, the seven posers, and Magnifico to work together and defeat her.
You mentioned dragon and I immediately thought of the twist villain Ludmilla from the Don Bluth film Bartok the Magnificent. She has this whole villain song where she slowly transforms into a dragon after drinking a potion that reveals your inner self (be warned the whole sequence looks like the dark depths of deviantart)
Amaya was boring asf, imagine auditioning for the classic disney villain role for the 100th anniversary of this company and getting landed with a soggy piece of toast
I know 😭 and the inclusion of Starboy. And actual good songs instead of the pop writers they hired. The pieces were all there, but Disney just decided to ignore it.
Just imagine what we could've had: An evil power-couple and a beautiful romance between Asha and Star-Boy! He could've been this generations Jack Frost!
Yet he'd be "too similar to the Genie", only thing they have in common is being wish-affiliated, something that Star himself didn't even do in the film! No one asked him to make the animals talk and the forest come to life, yet he didn't really make anyone's wish come true...like Disney, where on earth did you even pull that comparison from? Also they (tried to) referenced the seven dwaves as the underbaked friend group and Peter Pan literally pops up at the end, so their reasons to scrap him is ridiculous.
i honestly would have liked to see 2 villains who want different things, are married, dont nessesarily work together , do not betray each other and do love each other would give each one agency and make it more interesting how each one is influencing the story
The scene where Amaya and Magnifico dance (I assume that scene was going to be in a song) could've been the most epic dance scene in entire Disney history! like seriously no one wants to see a dance scene where the pair are actually the antagonist and not heroes?
I enjoy collecting dolls, so I'm alway in the doll aisles. Queen Amaya has dolls just like Ashas, but the only way to get a Magnifico doll is in a 2-pack with Amaya.
"Oh, my kid sister would love this one" (grabs two-pack, unwraps, drops amaya doll in the trash and re-wraps magnifico in a big gift box) "There we go" she collects eerie porcelain dolls, but she also loves villain dolls.
An idea i had that could have been cool for a villain in this movie was that Magnifico had an evil twin (lets call it Harry) While Magnifico tried to use magic for good, Harry used it for evil and consumed by the power, he study his own brother for take over his kingdom. He manage to imprison him into the book, which is why he keep it locked and start to grant wishes who can benefit him mostly. Nobody realize it until Asha goes inside the tower and accidentaly open the book where Magnifico is trapped
I had a similar idea for the story. Only I felt he could be called Chernabog, after the demon from Fantasia’s ‘Night on Bald Mountain’. Chernabog and Magnifico found a wishing Star and used it to found a kingdom together, but they granted so many wishes that the Star couldn’t maintain them all and everything broke. In their second attempt, Chernabog decided that they should use the Star for their own desires, and they end up fighting when Magnifico realises Chernabog wanted to horde all magic and rule the world. The fight itself is the only detail remembered, so when Asha frees him she thinks he had a nice wish that didn’t benefit Magnifico, only to learn the truth after helping him get his wish. Now she has to undo the wish while fighting his new demonic form alongside the rest of the kingdom.
I mean to be fair,he did point his wand at her, thats like a spouse putting a knife or gun to someone, it kinda changes everything you thought you knew about the person. She’s kinda like if he could do it to me,someone he’s been with for so long, how real was this relationship? So yea there could’ve been more nuance, more regret/sadness, but 🤷🏾♀️
One youtuber said that she could've been a twist villain. But magnífico is a full on villain from beginning to end. The story can be the same with Amaya where she is helping the characters until it is revealed that she betrayed them all and is a villain who loves her husband to the end.
The only Disney Villain Couple I know so far is Hildy Gloom and Grim Gloom from the TV show The 7D. Not having Magnifico and Amaya be a villain couple is wasted potential.
It’s because Frozen 2 had no major rewrites. One draft was submitted, and they had to commit to it. Wish must have been rewritten constantly out of fear due to constant failures. After all, what Disney does is what modern toxic parents do, they get rid of what they think is a problem rather than actually “parent” the kid. Disney allowed no delays for Frozen 2 and The Incredibles 2 since The Good Dinosaur left a year empty and winded up a bomb after so many delays. Disney has no middle ground, they just remove what’s a problem. The no villain movies exist because the Oscar blockbuster trilogy remaining criticism is the twist villains, so obviously they were rushing to get a new villain out of the way in Wish. Yet they removed the cat that would have harkened back to Si and Am, Scar, and Shere Khan and the Queen was just there, because when people said they wanted a “real villain”, Disney just assumed overly evil could simply be plugged in.
Actually according to the documentary they had to rewrite several scenes in the film to make it more for a less mature kids audience just months before release. The guy in the doc who said “we haven’t missed a release date, and there’s no way we’re going to miss this one” even worked on wish too. Also I think the cat would’ve also harkened back to Lucifer from Cinderella.
@@karathewolfsfanficchannel933 They didn’t change the main plot though. They just added more comedy. Wish probably had more rewrites in the script more than any other Disney film out of fear and nervousness. Most Disney movies leave out some scenes and add more jokes, the only example of the main plot changing is Chicken Little.
Somewhere in the middle of the movie, I’d thought Amaya was a twist villain, the way she acts and behaved. But I was wrong. She would a good twist villain but according to Disney; that’ll never happened.
Wish could be way more better and even a beloved classic if Queen Amaya was evil along with King magnifico not to mention star being a boy fall in love with Asha and now we have the results after rejecting those ideas
Ursula was still the villain in the Little Mermaid remake and they had whats-her-name as the villain in The Marvels and both those movies came out the same year as Wish.
I hope that, at least, Disney realizes the huge mistake it made and decides to use this plot for another movie in the future, because we want that villain couple, we want that romance between princess and magic boy (don't they always say the want a princess that saves a prince for once? You could've done that in a really awesome way) and we want to feel what we felt with old Disney😢
I sincerely hope Disney learns from their mistakes and actually remakes this movie, as in the original concept. Like, it was way too good for this to be forgotten, and we will ALL FORGET THIS MOVIE EVER EXISTED if this does happen.
Hi, Aldone. It's a tragedy that Wish only had Magnifico for a villain, instead of having a shallow villain's couple💜 (wich would be the first time ever in a Disney animated movie, not to mention it would be amazing). This anniversary movie has less personality then Maleficent, Mistress of Evil. I can't even right now😡🌫🌫🎂🌫🌫
They could have done her as a twist like Hans. Or even left her more "innocent" where she actually tipped off Magnifico and that's why he was in the tower at the end to catch the Star. Or even have it where Magnifico was more possessive of her because his greatest wish was to have someone share his dream and kept it much more romantic than the ending they got
If they ever do a sequel, they could make her actually evil from the get-go, but she needed her husband taken out first, so she let the others do that. The few short scenes you showed, with no sound, of her looking at her husband through the crystal and such, made her seem more wicked. She could even find a way to get her husband out of the crystal then and make him her zombie slave type of thing.
Having the trope of villian power couples, that have better . relationship goals we all wish to achieve is something that would have been refreshing, and having Asha with the star who were suppose to be couples also, would have been a nice parallel between them, but we got a plushy emoji star, and a talking goat, guess we can't have nice things
See what would've been better for the king as a villain is that he was always destroying the wishes to maintain his power and has the nice and giving persona so people willingly move to his kingdom and give him wishes aka more power. And obviously because he is the only one that can use magic legally it shouldve been written that some people can naturally use magic and others can't like the king, and because of this they are exiled or the power is stolen from them by the king of course everything else is fine but the fact that people have their freedoms limited for a society that the king sees as peaceful and good is something that could've been explored. If the story was written this way then his fall to evil makes way more sense. His backstory shouldve been used to explain his desire to control and need for power. He likes power and control and desires to keep it that way simple and he's a villain that was always evil. And his wife likes her comfortable postion and loves her husband therefore thats why she helps him.
I will fix the villains in one paragraph and in doing so the message, ready? The king and Queen grants everyone’s wishes making them dependent on them. The King and Queen both love each other immensely and are a healthy power couple despite being the villains Because they created a neverland in which nothing bad happens but because everyone gets their wishes, nobody grows, changes, or learns anything, and everyone has to be happy and nothing bad or dark or sad is allowed to happen, and the more they give to the king and queen , the less they have of themselves until one day they fade away and nobody remember them. Nobody knows who they truly are because they’ve been given everything. And so Asha wishes to know who she is and what’s really out there. The King and Queen are threatened by this because people would learn they’ve been living a lie and they been killing them off to live forever. And so Asha learns a lesson about not getting everything you wish for and that sometimes bad things need to happen so you can appreciate the good things. Now tell me that wouldn’t be a better idea.
And this is what we would call the 1st major domino to fall and make the story and Magnifico righteous. So originally Amaya and Magnifico are villians, a power couple who made the kingdom to take wishes from people's hearts as they contain powerful magic to do what they want. They make the excuse of taking it and granting it later and living in this "utopia" they granted. They drain most wishes for power (maybe youth, maybe just something else) Magnifico being the sorcerer and muscle while Amaya being the thinker and manipulator. But oops.. now you want to make Amaya a twist villian, so she has to be nicer but then reveals near the end she is in league with evil magnifico! Leading-- Nah, let's change it again... because (We dont know what the direction was, but either she became good since Magnifico got a tragic backstory or they changed it to EVIL MAGIC. or more likely.. they made her good so they had to change Magnifico to be believable good since the queen would catch on) Then time constraints happen and ...you start rushing retakes and don't have time to write everything correctly.. creating the hodgepodge we have now.
Disney: "We don't want the audience to know the king is the villain right away!" Disney: Reveals the king is the villain in the trailer 😂🤪 I'm glad everyone else caught the villain vibes from the queen - she was way too unbothered about switching sides when her husband went evil. Totally didn't buy it. 100% agree this entire movie felt rushed and underdeveloped and could have been actually interesting if different choices were made.
Bring back classic Disney villian deaths, too! Seeing Manfico be sucked into a mirror and he's still alive is more troubling because he can comeback instead of being gone forever!
Wait wait wait i got it. She could be the twist villian and she was the leader of the thieves that destroyed Magnifico's old home. She gave him the book to corrupt him and manipulates the gullible Asha to help her steal the throne.
The reason I think they changed it to the thing that we got is cause had they done the good ideas it would’ve required them to actually put time in the script (character development, general plot, messaging, DIALOGUE, SONGS, etc) but Disney refuses to do so lately 💀
What are you talking about 'wasted villain'? Amaya was still a villain by not trying harder to stop her husband from being corrupted by an evil tome, and wasted no time siding with the people looking to overthrow him/taking over as sole ruler - having him imprisoned in the castle's dungeons - despite knowing he only acted as he had because of Asha bringing in a new magical source that threatened him. Amaya is very much a villain - a subtle one, but still a villain.
They could have cut Asha out completely and just focused on Amaya. Or have them be yin and yang to each other. She was just kinda like "wow I've seen too much" without explaining or showing what he did, cause he honestly didn't really do much in front of her, or abused her in any way. Rather, they could have had her and Asha react to the same bad things he did, and shown their character developments around that. Like hero/villain pathways. But really a bad ass villain couple would have been more fun. I think we just needed a villain villain throughout the whole movie with no background as to how they got there, they can just do that in a separate movie.
So because they didn't want "the women to be the bad guy" they basically made the Queen a bland character. She could've been the nice villain couple with the King, but no Disney attempts at being progressive shut that down.
5:41 I know the video isn't about this, but just seeing Kimg Frederick feom Tangled after Tangled the series makes my blood boil xD But yeah, I always agree with your videos, so it's nice to know I agree with what you're saying here too
Who at Disney is approving this? Their stories are getting worse, the dress designs have taken an nose dive. The heroes seem to be lacking fans where are the villians??
Ok HEAR ME OUT. What if they did it like wings of fire? Where Queen Amaya ruled over thw kingdom and Magnifico was a sorcerer servant/husband who was by her side. She could’ve forced him to do tons of things just for her out of greed/want for power, and Magnifico was either also evil or was being manipulated? I think that couldn’t have been bad.
Amaya and Asha are the true villains. Its Amaya's fault for not hiding the book far from her husbands reaches. This movie was so horribly made aka written
There are set to be new 2d animated films not from Disney including wanner brosthe day the earth blew up a looney tunes movie and Sonys fixed and foxy trotter and that 2024 lord of the rings 2d animated film and an avatar the last arebender film and even molesworth
I agree. Disney, Disney is so afraid of scaring two-year-olds that they forgot how to make a compelling movie. But I doubt we’re going to get any good movies with the current Disney CEO
I just amazed how they made such a bad movie when their up there with other people who would be the same to critique others stories and saying you could fix this or that and do more here or less of and they go and make wish
Even in that we got she was a waste. THis movie would have been slightly better if Amya had been able to get through to Magnifico and he redeems himself, maybe could have even done smething where he see the error of his ways through h love for Amya and his love for the kingdom and it's people, he rejects the borbidden magic only for it to manifest into physical form maybe in the form of an evil Magnifico, ans so the film could then have an epic magic battle where Asha needs to help Magnifico defeat his "evil half". THe film had so much wasted potential.
The thing is, Disney doesn't allow women to be villains anymore. Nowadays all female villains have to be "good at heart" because God forbid a woman be a genuinely evil villain.
