that's the principe of the razzle dazzle camo, you break the ship look to make it harder for telemetrics to range (which doesn't work if it's stereoscopic telemetry)
One more downside to the ship - the ship's camo kind of makes it look like it's broken/lightly folded in the middle and it really fucks with my head xD
Carriers were not 'historically a part of naval combat.' They were what ENDED naval combat. They were instrumental in destroying the most powerful BB's on both side of the conflict, in the decision to not build any new ones and in creating a whole new form of naval warfare. This is why they should not be in the game at all.
Not at all. Carriers and planes have been around since WW1 but they peaked in WW2 and beyond. What actually ended surface ships is the range and power of missle systems. Submarines and smaller vessels could do the same work, at even more range than big gun ships, while smaller and less cost if lost. If we are going to have up to 1960s, which plenty of vessels in this game would have been built in if the "what ifs" happened, you just going to have to deal with planes and CVs.
Yep I agree with the exception of carriers that got ambushed at close range - that generally got sunk. They ended what WoWs was about, and basically ended WoWs in the same way...
@@solace6633 LOL. Prince of Wales and and Repulse were sunk by CV's. Yamato and Musashi were sunk by CV's. Bismarck was spotted and crippled and torped and bombed by CV's. The list of US BB's damaged and crippled by CV's is too long to print here. These are just the examples off the top of my head. CV's are what ended BB's, which is what this game - and this discussion - is about (and btw, nice attempt at reframing it, I never spoke of 'surface ships'). I agree with you that as time went on, it only got worse for surface ships in general but to say that subs and smaller ships could do what CV's did is beyond ridiculous. In WW1 planes had no power yet against ships. Then there was nearly a quarter century of no major wars by which time CV's had evolved to a degree that no one understood until time came to test them in battle, and they proved to have completely replaced BB's as the heart and power of the fleet. Not missiles, not subs, not any other craft.
POW and Repulse were sunk by land-based aircraft. Apart from that I mostly agree with you. No point in building a Montana class BB if it can be sunk by an Essex class CV 200 miles away. CV’s are still very effective at projecting power which is why the USN still spends billions on them. A SSN is more effective weapon only if you don’t use it… CVs in WOWs reduce the playing enjoyment for everyone except the CV player who has a completely disproportionate impact on the game. I think that’s the salient point.
Yey more carriers! Great! ffs..... You cannot really argue that carriers were part of naval engagements fought within gunrange - or at least only briefly and in limited roles (Glorious and Taffy3 carriers getting sunk for example). If I see this and I'm in a BB it's getting focussed.
Das tun sie auch nicht, wieso auch? Der Weizen wird im Bauernhaus gedroschen, dann hast du das Korn, das kommt dann in die Mühle, so hast du Mehl und das kommt dann zum Bäcker. Warst du noch nie auf einem Bauernhof?
I mean its real design by the Soviets, its project X 1930-ish design. Its got alaska size but baltimore displacement. Also project X supposedly have planes and hangar for those planes, and a midget sub facility and can launch midget sub for scout. I still wonder how the soviet wanna build it without it having capsized, or sunk before sailing 🤣
When I first saw the title of this video, the notion of rocket planes didn't even enter my mind, and I was 100% ready to accept that WeeGee had actually added a ship with rocket pods as an armament. It'll happen sooner or later anyway.
From my experience, more aircraft = less ships willing to push, even dd Generally its bad news, more passive gameplay Oh yeah, being on the receiving end of those rockets planes is not fun either, around 5-10k dmg even when angling + fires + get spotted and shot at
In wows you don’t play vs planes, planes play vs you. The entire design and functionality of this game is counter intuitive to aircraft in this game but they just keep adding even more planes.
Uh look u might not know but there is this data analyst of WG who is completely convinced that cvs are too weak and planes are more needed than ever u might not believe it but that's the truth and that guy solely is responsible for all the bullshitry that WG has been causing
When you play this game alot you need to remember to push back againts confirmation bias, I've played this game for a long time (not very good) and I can say its really easy to see somthing you think is OP and go "Look at that!" when somthing good happens that confirms what you think and then ignore it and say nothing in a moment when it gets counter played or fails to work right, its a really wide spread issue. Like how you go off on how unfair the ship is dispite the fact they failed to kill you and remove you from the game and having to deal with you in the late game because of those failures, then later around 12:34 when your air attack you think is so op fails to be op you just say nothing, like you only really notice moments when you get a flat side hit on a ship and not the ones where they turn towards you. As for that guy when you said "would have" gotten some heals off before you killed him, he was sitting still in a game with an active Komissar and on low health so he should know he will be next, he could have done alot but he did nothing, thats not on you, its on him. To my mind you did well with a little luck and alot of skill, the fact they ended up with little AA is again the situation they found themselves with, they could have been heavy on AA but thats just too dam bad for them tbh
Poor armour is not a lot of a problem cause just like gouden it has to sit behind cover and spam planes and that's wht I have seen players only do with it..the playerbase is as demented as WG itself
And I only have 4200 steele(Idon't play Clans battles), nooooo! lol I"ll be counting my lose change till I can get it lol. Thank you @PotatoQuality had fun watching you wreck ships. Great Vid!.
@@EvoraGT430but you need to play all the time so… that’s not for everybody. Not mentioning the braindead players bringing Yoshino or ships like that in ranked or those who die in less than 3 min or stay in the back…
Hope this cv change has a lot of un nerfings to, sure that jager has no AA but you try that on any other tx dd and see how it goes, try it on a halland with a t8 CV and see how that goes. he sees you 10km out he can hit you with flak 6km out you need 4+ km to attack him, you see him at 2 km ... GL with that.. then you have issues like if you cant see the ship that fired it you cant see the flak , or the way a dd can sit in a smoke screen and without giving away any positional information shoot down planes with perfect accuracy. I like i think most CV players are for the loss of our spotting its been a poisoned chalice that has cost us so much at every turn.
My thoughts on CVs as someone who dabbles in them. Sure a rework would be nice, but what they have planned will be worse for the game. Oh we wont get spotted as much, but CVs will be able to strike faster and beat down larger ships faster. Yay just what we want. Just make it minimap spotting and call it a day. What would also be useful/impactful is modern AA which will never happen. Modern AA would be the most effective change and would also the biggest rework CVs would ever see in the game. May be easier to remove them at this point for how much this would effect the gameplay of t8 and up. It is as you said an arcade game and the goal is fun while maintaining a level of balance. Unfortunately the scale is tipped in favor of CVs (and subs but thats a problem for later.) Maybe one day we will get a proper solution or watch the game eventually fade away.
@@randomguypi-uf2jc Bro r u for real? ships from 1900s?did subs from 1900s go 40 to 40+kts?did the cvs from 1900s have unlimited and invincible planes ?if they r so busted and WG has no concept of realism at all then modern AA should also be a thing cause if u haven't figured it out yet this game has crossed the boundaries of realism long ago 😂
I tried running reload for a few battles and it was just miserable. I had one decent game and all the others I was just perma-spotted by DDs and CVs while I got farmed by BBs and BCs who were outside of my range. Especially with the camping meta range mod seems like the better option, especially with how good the ballistics are.
While you can easily spot a Jager with the planes since it has literal tier 3 or 4 levels of AA, you will be hard pressed to spot anything for long with proper tier X AA. These are Nakhimov planes with very, very little HP so they will die very quickly.
I really wish WG would experiment more with solutions to the cv v surface ship interactions. Maybe a nighttime mode with no cvs (since CVs didn’t perform night strikes during this era) in a similar manner to the naval battles at Guadalcanal. Maybe giving cvs their own mode where they are free to dominate the skies against other cvs, sinking fleets of bots in the process. Idk what the solution looks like exactly but that Jagar clip cements the idea that there’s something fundamentally broken about “CV/surface interaction” I don’t think it’s something you can just patch out into a balanced state, its like starting from a false premise: everything following it would be incorrect. I love my cvs, but even I don’t like playing them against surface players, it feels unfair and it certainly doesn’t help when everyone dog-piles on the cvs for playing how WG intended. Idk man, some times i REALLY wish WG had some proper competition with naval combat, but until there’s another ship game that doesn’t feel like a coordinate-mapping mini game with fun visuals or an actual hour-long scenario where you occasionally pull the trigger at little dots on your screen (because the scale is actually correct) before getting nuked from a single player in an airplane. Until theres another proper arcade ship shooting game we are stuck with whatever wg wants to feed us, which for a long time now has been literal dogshit.
The fact the meta fanatics in my clan don't like it is enough for me to get it. Tho I wanted it anyway. edit: is it going to be available in the next update? Patch says it is both in bundle & on its own, other CC claimed the ship on its own releases in 13.5.
Got a few WTF moments when I ran into this "test"-ship on the EU server. Didn't know anything about this ship and I was really surprised about the firepower of this ship and also about it's hybrid capabilities. At least the few times I can recall it was also hard to kill. Maybe they changed the armor?
an other OP schip in the game that almost nobody seems to talk about is the Shchors. it should be taken the spotter plain away or moved up to tier 8. When I play the shchors it feel only fair when I'm in a tier 9 battle and I always wondered how it would preform against tier 10.
I wonder if the nerf coming to CVs, taking away the ability to loiter and spot without attacking, will effect Hybrids? This will be a major nerf to this ship also.
Nope no nerf ironically cvs are getting majorly buffed in the next patch as WG is adding AP skip bombers to game and a new richtifen copy cv called Werner Voss of something which will be the first to have these bullshit no concept whatsoever no sense whatsoever AP skip bombers so that's that
If they let this ship come out as it is, WG better have an OP version of Tone/Chikuma waiting in the wings or they should be prepared to face the pitchforks and banners about Russian bias...
1:44 into the video and I can already tell you that wg should just remove the rocket aircraft and improve the armor amidships. It's just another island camper. Find an island, farm with HE, swap to AP for anything that goes fairly broadside, and spam out your rocket aircraft. As much as I want to say that wg is trying to improve the game, they are adding in hybrids, which literally nobody wanted. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I hate this new trend of balancing ships through heals and cooldowns instead of armour. It's worthless being able to 3d print your ship back except in the scenarios where people are actually shooting you.
11:48 ish, I was in almost the exact same senario. I was in the Marsielle or however you spell that, vs a GK and I opt'd to run north and try and sneak the cap from behind him, betting on my speed boost. I was literally JUST short on points. we were both 1 tick from 1000 points but because he had two caps, he ended out ticking first and won because I was just a little two slow. at the end I managed to cheek citadel him 3 times so that was funny. He just tanked it thought cause he was near full HP. Unfortunate team plus a bad match up kinda screwed me over Oh, and another thing to mention is that it started 2 vs 1, but my friendly cruiser charged the GK and died. No he didn't have torps so I have no idea what he was thinking. We had all 3 caps at the start as well.
the problem with your vids is, its NA server with lots of victims, i cant build my opinion to this ship, on EU servwer you dont see so many broadside bots
whose goal is to have a fun game lol,......WG going for cash, people constantly buying everything and still playing,.... Let's face it,...players are to blame not WG,..no one forcing anyone to play the game or to buy some screen pixels for real money. Stupidity is underrated
Trash i will never use It better ships In game ,why WG throws this garbage out there to see If It sticks.......Stupidest looking camo I have ever scene makes me dizzy looking at it....
Kinda wish we could get a version of this without the planes, BUT with like 5 torpedo launchers per side. It'd be very dumb, but also a just a bit funny.
Because World of Warplanes was a failure and WG still wants the players' money. Just goes to show that given the choice, there's a large number of gamers who will choose the game without real (in this case plane vs. plane) PvP action and where their "opponents" can't fight back in any meaningful way.
Because WG does not have any idea about what's going on in the game and there's this data analyst who is very convinced that cvs are weak light cruiser are very op and cvs have to be buffed even more and planes will solve everything and make the game better...and then there is this demented part of the playerbase who just wants more planes who have no lives whatsoever and just want to be in-game kings just cause they couldn't do anything in real life and do they use cvs and planes to crap on other players without any repercussions
@@MartialEmperor6344 Anyone who looks at a ship game and thinks "needs more planes" needs to be institutionalized, not given a job. My best guess is they had contracts with employees over at World of Warplanes and couldn't easily fire them when that game foundered, so they brought them over to WoWs, and now they've established themselves within the social framework of the team.
