Middle Earth as Tolkien intended is in the pages of his works, not on any screen....The books are all that matter, and no matter how many adaptations are made by film, nothing will EVER change that.
“The past is dead…” Sounds like something someone who doesn’t believe in tradition would say. And Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the past.
It means the West and Western traditions, but lets be honest, it means doing away with the white population, who are the West and it's tradtions, except for the small population of elites, like the Biden Pelosi and Clinton Crime Families.
There is a very valuable lesson in Lord of the Rings that the whole "Female character needs to be a physical badass" agenda could learn from... One thing that Tolkien was very big on, and Peter Jackson did a great job of portraying in the LoTR trilogy is that, "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future." Hobbits typically lived very simple lives and didn't go on grand adventures fighting things. That's why Bilbo was so hesitant to go with Gandalf in The Hobbit and why he was thought of so differently by the other Hobbits when he got back. They thought he was weird, even a little kookie. The Hobbits in the Fellowship did not have the strength, speed, magic or fighting skill that the other characters had. That's what made their task so daunting. Sam and Frodo, two little Hobbits that had spent their whole lives in the calm, peaceful Shire had to travel to the heart of evil Mordor and destroy the ring amidst a giant war. They had the most difficult task of all, and through sheer will and courage they were able to accomplish that task. It's why Aragorn said in the end, "You bow to no one" and then bowed to them in spite of being the King himself. You don't have to be the biggest, the strongest, the wisest, or the most skilled to make a difference in the world. The Hobbits were none of these and yet they were the most important characters in the end. Ironically, it was Galadriel who taught Frodo this lesson... the same Galadriel that they are trying to portray as a physical bad ass in spite of Tolkien never portraying her that way and even referring to her as being "slender," not muscular or cut like legolas was. They don't understand that she doesn't NEED to be a physical warrior to be a bad ass... She already is one...
No, she isn’t. Fantasy is no genre for “bad ass woman” or any female character for that matter. If you want to include people of color, minorities, women as flashed out characters, you are not a true Tolkien fan. He never did that, and would never do.
It's frustrating to see this in a lot of franchise I like. They destroy existing female characters by trying to make them 'strong' or 'impressive' in their own vision, and add unnecessary ones, writing them badly into a story. Everyone screams 'woke culture agenda' but for me it's simply an element of overall bad writing and the lack of respect and understanding of the source material.
@@LucasGualbertoSilva I think you might have misinterpreted what the comment was about. Also I disagree about women not being allowed to be bad ass, the problem isn’t that they can’t be it’s that it’s almost never written well however the original Galadriel was pretty bad ass. Bad ass doesn’t just mean strong it just means extremely impressive and her wisdom was second to none which made her bad ass.
Y'know, for all the criticisms of the Hobbit films, and accuracy aside, I think it's fair to point out just how remarkably intimidating and powerful Galadriel was depicted as being, in a flowing, silken dress. Not in armor. She did not even carry a weapon at all. Yet see how much respect and deference a Maia such as Gandalf shows her, or how she is able to banish the shadows of Sauron and The Nine back to Mordor. I'm sorry, but the Amazon Galadriel looks weak in comparison, and does not command respect; instead, she's boorish and condescending. What a pathetic deviation from one of the most incredible characters Tolkien created.
I know right? Amazon has objectively downgraded an elven queen into a generic Mary Sue action character. Guyladriel doesn't even deserve the level of respect given in the show. 😂
I think the most egregious and infuriating aspect of this and all the other woke hijackings of beloved, existing franchises is that those who do so make every effort to distort, destroy and dismiss what made said franchises beloved in the first place yet they insert every pandering reference from the originals in hopes of attracting the very fans they are insulting.
@@blablubb8615 Well as long as not millions of people are getting a Prime subscription only to watch the show they won't make financial profits from this i guess
The “other hand and minds” quote they are using to justify their butchering of Tolkien’s work is very disingenuously taken out of context. Not only will they destroy what he created, they will twist his words and act like he would approve of them doing so. I’m not surprised of course, but somehow it makes this even more despicable.
Kinda makes me think of two passages of the Bible (no surprise there as I'm a Christian). If you're not a believer, I hope you'll indulge me anyway, but these two quotes seem so apt not only to what Amazon are doing specifically to Tolkien, and did to Wheel of Time, but to all such instances of this happening in all areas of the West right now: Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 2 Timothy 3:1-5
@@Iluvantir Dang, Isaiah 5:20 could have been put there specifically for the woke leftists of today! And being a fellow believer, I will admit to you that I'm a bit unsettled by how closely our quote from Second Timothy describes modern Western society.
We live in an age where 'educated' people with a university education insist that men can have babies and that 'post-birth abortion' is a 'right'. They are capable of anything.
@@solan7978 Whether you're religious or not it's easy to see how the Bible contains wisdom of people who've seen many nations fall. It's no surprise that ideologies like Marxism which are natural enemies to Christianity explicitly end up doing exactly what The Bible warns of.
This is going to be CW levels of writing! Amazon are going to be very busy hiring activists writing hit pieces on everyone who dares criticize this or cant stop laughing at this mess!
It’s got to be so easy to get hired as a “writer” for the Yellow Press. All you have to do is signal that virtue, write lies, label everyone you dislike ists & phobes & presto! you’re a “journalist.”
I think screenwriters are very special! Like their school! Which they didn't even manage to finish - because of the too high requirements! Sorry for my imperfect English, but it's not my language!
This whole “let the past die” line is exactly the root of what is wrong with this entire attempt to display a bastardized version of Tolkien’s work. The message in LOTR is “there’s good in this world that is so fundamentally important, that it’s worth dying for.” There are virtues present like honor, courage and dignity. These inspire devotion, great love and willingness to sacrifice everything including one’s own comforts and life if need be to protect what matters most. “The past is dead,” message simply states “You should just give up and move on.” How can you think anyone can respect and appreciate characters calling themselves warriors who speak like this? It’s the same as Theodin saying “We’ve lost. We should just join the orcs, instead of “Ride with me!”
"A woman can only be empowered when she's one-upping a man. No matter how ridiculous the scenario". Gary was spot on with his description of the terrible intersectional feminism that's far too abundant in and dragging down most films coming out lately
It gets at it's worse when they introduce a competant intelligent straight white male villain, and as soon as the villain makes constant with the female protagonist, instead of the female being smart or resourceful to overcome the intelligent and competant villain, instead they lower the iq of the villain and drag him down so the female protagonist can easily win without effort. It's so borrrrrrrrrrringgggggggggg.
Tolkien: "i didn't want to flesh out the orcs. Because if they were too 'fleshed out' that would mean they could be a people and i don't want to condemn an entire culture to villainy" (i'm paraphrasing but i remember a segment in one of the books where tolkien tries to explain that he didn't like making the orcs flesh out since that would villify a race, something that he knows is dangerous since...well WW1 and 2) Amazon: lets flesh out the orcs to make them the victims and in doing this unravel even more crap
Yeah, wonder why the Germans vilified the people who destroyed their nation during WWI, and were in the process of destroying German culture, all while crashing the economy to the point people had suitcases full of money to buy bread. Yeah, but I guess you were taught that for "no reason at all, a guy just hated some people".... Learn the truth. It's out there, and you'll learn they lied to us. Big time.
@@chance2413 still is no excuse to wipe out an zntire race or launch mass war that killed millions. I know thats their 'reason', i know my history. The war isnt at scrutiny here. Because Tolkien didnt want to just make a race evil, he didnt flesh them out, that way, should any braindead twitter idiot claim 'they are based on poc from africa' , it can be denied. Because no race is inherently evil
"The past is dead." Of all the red flags this is the biggest! The clearest sign yet that Amazon will desecrate and pervert Tolkien's work just like Melkor desecrated and perverted Arda. The core of Tolkien's legendarium IS about the past, the lament for past glories and wonders, the Elven longing for those days, and the tragic disappearance of the past's magic as Middle Earth becomes more like our world.
This exactly! The fact that they would put this line into the teaser without any context forces us to conclude that it is actually meant to reveal their agenda, the betrayal of the core of Tolkien‘s legendarium! It’s ridiculous once you see it.
You couldn't be more right. Tolkien was a conservative and a historian, and a man who loved the past. He would despise this series, of that I have no doubt.
I think its a huge red flag that weve kind of overlooked due to all the other red flags in this dirge promotion material, but it literally shows us that Amazon neither understand the works of Tolkien, or of Tolkien himself, we just cant underline more strongly how a line like "the past is dead" is the very antithesis of Tolkiens work. Its the kind of thing youd see in a school kids book report essay and as the teacher youd have to go to them and say did you learn absolutely nothing from reading these books ?
Fans have learned the languages Tolkien invented, named their sons and daughters, their pets, their boats and properties after Middle Earth's. They have painted fan art, written fan stories, created web sites. They wear symbols and words on rings and pendants, decorated walls and furniture. How can you go against such social phenomena? You can even make a reasonable work but you will hurt millions of fans in the process. You will pay for that. Wouldn't be better to just detach your work from Tolkien's, tell it is a brand new world, with characters loosely based on literary works of the past? Since your story is so different, Tolkien's fans would have had a hard time criticizing it, the (new) audience wouldn't be influenced and who knows, you might get a blockbuster.
@@aliahpersonous2893 Well, when you put time, energy and especially your funds into a source of entertainment/escape... Only for that source of entertainment/escape to be ruined when it didn't have to be! That's like me coming into money, and getting the writes to Orange is the new Black and turning into a softcore lesbian porn for no reason!
It’s disgusting what they did with ‘Galadriel’. They’ve turned her into a mere ‘man’ with a sword. Her real strength and power used to come from her overwhelming presence, wisdom and personality. The kind of character that knew you better than you did and could make you surrender with a look. That’s what I call a powerful *woman*. Now she’s less powerful than a man and a quarter as powerful as a woman. The feminism and ‘diversity’ in this has watered down women and minority races by giving them the traits of the ‘traditional man’, which apparently they hate, so what are they trying to do anymore?
Her power also came from her great beauty (as it did for all elves as they were made by Eru Ilúvatar as exemplars of beauty to guide mankind in such things), but it appears we can't have that because of "the male gaze". (facepalm)
They want to destroy mankind period. If men are women, and women are men, and both no longer desires procreation due to wanting the same sex, then humanity dies.
They did ? It was what Tolkien did not what they did, the film makers was interviewed by one of the Tolkien loremaster (aka nerd of rings on YT), they actually did used Tolkien's letters and work to film the series. For reference too, and Tolkien did admit there was a time Galadriel was more of warrior like than a sage like : "[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats” - Tolkien Letter 348 In Peoples of Middle-earth and Unfinished Tales and Morgoth's Ring everytime Tolkien describes young Galadriel he feels the need to write "she was (both physically and mentally) strong, brave" "she was valiant" etc. Also same thing can be seen often in Nature of Middle-earth: "She was called Nerwen ‘man-maiden’ because of her strength and stature, and her courage." Reference: Tolkien Letter 348, Peoples of Middle-earth, Unfinished Tales, Morgoth's Ring, Nature of Middle-earth.
Not to mention she’s literally based off The Virgin Mary, who was not a physical fighter, but more powerful than any other man. The degradation of femininity is appalling.
I do appreciate companies like amazon and disney, diluting their near monopolistic powers, and encouraging people like Rippa to create their own stories for the people to enjoy!
Eric July is an egotistical jagoff and he won't get a dime from me. This self proclaimed comic book "expert" once threw a baby tantrum because I had the sheer audacity to correct him when he said "Galactus is from the previous galaxy....", to which he then doubled down on and proceeded to gaslight me for being a "troll" when I had subscribed to his channel for years. F him, sorry.
It's really true! Most of us could never have seen this coming! As annoying as everything has been with the woke, it HAS come with some backlash.... Hopefully there will be some justice some day...
I also appreciate companies like amazon and disney pissing their money away down the sewer for our amusement whilst we get to sit back, point, and piss ourselves laughing at them. The more they spend the sooner they'll either 1) go bust and gone from history itself, or 2) wake up and change course and get back to what the paying customer wants: making good, well thought out entertainment.
The scene of Aragorn, et. al, bowing before Frodo, Sam, Pippin and Merry has more heart and true emotion than all The Rings of Power trailer put together.
I spent 9 years trying to convince my sister-in-law to watch Lord of the Rings with me. She always laughed and refused and thought my love for Tolkien was loopy. She finally watched it in full, extended editions last Christmas. She absolutely broke down at that scene and sobbed. She screamed at the tv, she cheered, she laughed, she cried by the time it was all over. She absolutely loved it.
"The past is dead. We either move forward or die with it." Hmm... Have they considered the far more wise and poetic quote: "The old that is strong does not wither Deep roots are not reached by the frost." Tolkien's works have already stood the test of time and generations. They'll still be here when the entire Amazon streaming service is defunct.
"You bow to no one" - that scene STILL brings tears to my eyes. Lifelong Tolkien fan, read the books as a teen in the 70s. Peter Jackson's trilogy was almost a religious experience. Some quibbles with Jackson's adaptation, but overall it was magnificent. And the musical score? Perfection.
The King bowing to the hobbits? It's a false note. The King embodies or incarnates Divinity, he bows only to the Pope in Christendom or in East, to an Enlightened Master.
Something I noticed now: Tolkien's elves, while loving forests, don't dwell exclusively in them. Narogthrond was in caves, Gondolin was in a mountainous vale, most other 1st Era kingdom were pretty regular, built on plains and hills. 2nd Era also has Eregion (not very forested). Reducing the Elves to "hurr durr tree huggers" is another thing to my list of petty grievances.
Tirion is also not built in a forest. It doesn’t say that they only live in forests but they are so interconnected with plants and animals, protect and nurture the forests and also woke up the first trees.
yes, but I think we are expecting Amazon to have spent effort learning this stuff, and it increasingly comes across their only understanding of middle earth comes from watching the Jackson movies and probably the hobbit ones at that...on fast forward.
Side note for Gary: The “ice climbing” scene could not be the Noldor crossing the Helcaraxë because there was NO sun LIGHT at that point. The Two Trees were dead and the sun hadn’t been created yet🤷
@@juliaj7939 Yes, I was pointing out that there wouldn't have been zero light, but if that scene is the elves crossing the ice, then that's an inaccuracy. Let's be real here though, if that's the case, it won't be close to the worst inaccuracy in the show
And Numenor wouldn't have had any non-whites since the world was flat at the time. They will do anything in utter disregard of the lore. Anything goes. Maybe Galadriel slays Sauron in this show.
Oof, the Return of the King scene at the end of video… “my friends, you bow to no one” really hits differently in light of this vandalism and absolute disrespect being shoved down our throats. I’m proud to see how the Tolkien “Fandom” is responding to this crap.
Imagine someone going to someone else's house, crashing their d&d game session, ripping up their books, writing down new garbage rules, totally changing how the game operates, installs an incompetent Dungeon Master, makes all the players change their class and race, then if you complain, you are called the toxic one.
@@DaveTheFuckingBrave yeah a better analogy would be that someone comes in makes a new shitty rpg with terrible rules and replace D&D with it. Kinda like 4E, but with the politics invading 5e. Then they bully you into allowing everyone into your games or you’re a bigot, then the new folks take over.
@@bertimusprime7900 nope, that’s again a horrible analogy because the old material (books, films) are not replaced. It’s literally just a new game based on the old game but you don’t HAVE to play it. No one cares if you don’t.
This is something I truly cannot understand: why are the creators of RoP so intent on trying to outdo either Peter Jackson's film adaptations or Tolkien's original story? Are their identities so fragile that they can't simply be humble? If you ever come at someone with the attitude "I'm right, you are wrong", it is going to piss people off, if for no other reason, pride and arrogance is damn unsightly to see in would-be professionals.
One of the things that drive me absolutely nuts about this whole Feminism Version of Tolkien thing is that the women in LOTR ARE powerful women; Arwen helped persuade Elrond to put faith in Man and kicked Aragorn's butt into gear for accepting his responsibility as King (not even mentioning Arwen saving Frodo's life from the Ring Wraiths). Galadriel is THE most powerful and wise of all Elves, gave the Fellowship the supplies they needed to help fulfill their journey, and she played a major role in Frodo's development in realizing the weight of his responsibility of being a Ring Bearer and warned him of the dangers of the corrupting nature of the ring. Eowyn was a woman who couldn't stand by and watch her friends, family, and country suffer any longer without her coming to their aid. She leapt into action and faced the fricking Witch King, the one piece in Sauron's arsenal everybody was fearful of, head-on to save Theoden and killed him (with the help of Merry, of course, who Eowyn also helped give him support and encouraged him to take part in aiding his friends). TL;DR Tolkien was plenty a feminist in that he still gave his female characters distinctive and strong personalities who played their own part in saving Middle Earth, just like how he did with his male characters. I absolutely detest the fact that in order to make a "strong" female character now, you just have to give them stereotypically male roles and powers instead of appreciating their roles and characters for what they are. How ironically sexist lmao
“I am no man” is one of the most powerful feminist moments in cinema history. Amazon is trying to make an entire series around that scene without actually understanding that females characters don’t need to be carbon copy of males to be strong.
@@samaritan_sys Agreed. Tolkien's portrayal of Eowyn is, if anything, explicitly anti-feminist. Eowyn is a noble, courageous, but deeply miserable character who goes into battle out of desperation. She's literally described as "seeking death." Her prowess and ability to fill a male role gives her no satisfaction or inner peace, and even her victory over the Witch King only brings her closer to despair. She only finds healing when she connects with Faramir, a man she can respect and trust in the male role, and consequently, finally let her find peace and joy in being a woman.
2:50 this is the most baffling thing to me which makes me 100% sure they don't understand the source material and treat it like a cash grab. The WHOLE POINT of the Lord of the Rings, which is, as a reminder, just a tiny portion of History in the great Lore Tolkien has built, is to rely on the fact Hobbits are unknown to most and discarded as unimportant folk across the realms when the events with the One Ring unfold. Except for a few very versed people (Gandalf being one), no one cares about Hobbits, because Hobbits haven't played ANY part at all in the great events of the world up to that point when Bilbo sets out on an adventure. It's the very first time Hobbits have an impact on the world History. It's at the core of the themes of both the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. So the Rings of Power shouldn't feature any Hobbits at all since the second age doesn't even remotely concern them (and that's why Tolkien doesn't mention them). Having Hobbits in the series is just 100% counterproductive fanservice. Counterproductive because it shows the lack of respect and understanding for the source material the showrunners have.
Galadriel was Elrond’s mother-in-law. Elrond married Celebrian, daughter of Celeborn and Galadriel, early in the Third Age, in TA 109. She bore him three children: their identical twin sons Elladan and Elrohir, and their daughter Arwen. What little information we have suggests that the family were on good terms. Arwen seems to have spent considerable time in Lorien, at least after her mother’s departure to the Undying Lands in TA 2510. While Frodo and company sojourn in Rivendell, Elladan and Elrohir journey to (unstated but obviously) Lorien to confer with their grandparents following the decision to send the Ring to Mordor. In the few scenes where Elrond and Galadriel are together, they are comfortable with each other. Elrond and Galadriel were also colleagues. Both were keepers of one of the Three Rings. Both were counted among the Wise and were members of the White Council, founded by Galadriel. They supported each other’s efforts against the Shadow, and Lorien provided military aid to Rivendell and the forces of the Dunedain during their conflicts with the Witch-King. It is possible that their relationship went as far back as the end of the First Age. If Celeborn and Galadriel spent any time in or near the Elven refugee settlements at Sirion or on Balar, they might have know Elwing and Earendil, and maybe their sons as well. Galadriel would have had dealings with Elrond from the early days of the Second Age onward, as Elrond was not only her kinsman, but was part of High King Gil-galad’s court. Galadriel and Celeborn may have resided in Rivendell for some time after the fall of Eregion (it is then that Elrond and Celebrian first met). In addition to being in-laws, Elrond and Galadriel were blood relations. Elrond and Galadriel were both members of the House of Finwe, the royal house of the Noldor. Elrond’s great-grandfather Turgon was Galadriel’s first cousin. They were also related through Elrond’s descent from Elu Thingol and Galadriel’s descent from Thingol’s brother Olwe. Elrond was also related by blood to Celeborn, who was the grandson of Thingol’s brother Elmo. Celeborn was the uncle of Elrond’s maternal grandmother Nimloth,
Thank you! Elrond here may still have been young by certain elves' standards, but he was still at the very least centuries old, millennia really at the time of Numenor's fall, and Galadriel had a whole age of experience over him, there is no way they would speak to each other on such a base level, no matter how they might disagree. They show them young in this series, but that is wrong on pretty much any level you could think of.
You mansplain like every other toxic, entitled, bigot. You are clearly not a real fan, most likely just an aIt-right Russian bot. You are probably not even a Tolkien scholar.
I almost burst into tears with that snippet of King Aragorn and all of Gondor bowing to our beloved Hobbits 🥺 it’s the measure of how much love we still have for PJ’s adaptation to Tolkien’s masterpiece. This Amazon monstrosity however seems void of any depth, heart or soul. It is already DEAD TO ME ☠️
That is certainly a great scene and an intelligent interpretation of the Field of Cormallen scene in the book, in which Frodo and Sam are hailed by Aragorn and the crowd (Arwen isn't there) and Merry and Pippin are serving as squires. I'd like to see this Nerdrotic guy tackle some of the more ill-advised changes from the book though.
Hmm. Although Peter's LotR films are genuinely great, they also contain some serious departures from canon. The intellectual, noble, courageous Frodo of the book was turned into a pretty youth who was robbed of nearly all his heroic moments. Peter clearly favoured Sam's heroism over Frodo's, and it shows. It's painful for me to watch. Also, I prefer Tolkien's emotional restraint to Peter's over-the-top bombastic approach. I do love the films and am grateful for them, but they don't get everything right.
@@kingra2650 they're not nothing to me. Frodo is one of the best characters in the story, and this was a serious missed opportunity. ☹ I doubt I will ever see him portrayed as he ought to be. But surprisingly enough my life isn't ruined because of it.
I have watched every minute of the "Behind the Scenes" videos from the Lord of the Rings extended edition disc set, and every single one of those minutes absolutely glowed with a love, passion, and enthusiasm that comes from people who have a deep connection to, and appreciation of the source material. Everyone in those videos spoke of how great a responsibility they had, as well as what a privilege it was to honor Tolkien's work, and it showed on the screen. I mean, there were two guys that spent every day of the entire production for years, coming in, cutting, fitting, and gluing little plastic rings together to make the chainmail suits for every actor and extra in the film. That takes a dedication that could only come from a love of Tolkien's works, because I doubt the paycheck was that fantastic. Fast forward to today, and the only sense I get from these people associated with the production (be it in Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Marvel, or Tolkien's works), is a disdain and jealousy for the source material and its creator(s).
The Behind the Scenes of LOTR is unreal to watch. Especially the costume design where they literally made chain mail by hand and inscribed poems on the inside of real helmets. That is why the films look so good in 4K because all those details are real and look amazing in high def.
I still have my extended edition LOTR DVD sets my dad bought for me back in the early 2000’s. I love all the behind the scenes content. Like you said it oozes excitement, reverence, and respect for Tolkiens world. Like genuinely the actors and crew had the time of their lives filming the trilogy in New Zealand. Amazon is a soulless corporation that’s why they have to hire people to pretend to be excited for this abomination. It’s so generic and see through.
The Númenorians are an ethnic group. They come from three houses, practically perhaps even two, considering the Haladin and their fate. How exactly do we have a diverse ethnic variety in their segregated island kingdom?? That'd be like casting an ethnic variety in edo Japan, or ancient Han China, or the ancient vikings. They are either all white or all black, but they have to be an ethnic monolith at the very least. I'll even go out on a limb and venture a guess at them being white, considering this quote from RotK, you know, a book which Amazon does actually have the rights to adapt: "They[men of Lebennin] were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them whose sires came more from the forgotten men who housed in the shadow of the hills in the Dark Years ere the coming of the kings."
Yeah in the books numenorean people were very tall, white skin and grey eyes, with black or blond hair, due to his inheritance of the house of Hador and that of Beor. The only numenoreans that are not like that, are the Numenoreans who have mixed with the middle men of the middle earth, and even so during the second age the Numenoreans were not inclined to mix their blood with the blood of "inferior men", it is only until the third age when the numenorean blood is being lost by the miscegenation of the people of Gondor
As far as I know Númenorians were specifically desbribed as fair skinned. I don't remember where I saw it as it has been many years since I read anything Tolkien, but I will find out this information and update this comment.
LOTR is a European story (specifically English) about native, ethnic European-type peoples (specifically rural English, City English, Welsh, Scots, Irish; with some Scandinavian and other European culture groups for flavour). Shock and horror that they'd (gasp) be fair skinned, having all the varieties of hair and eye colour that exist, etc. Who'd have thunk it?
I remember before the Jackson films, it was considered impossible to adapt Lotr. This is the most skeptical fandom I know... but not unreasonable, the Jackson films were embraced. Still, even in the original trilogy, some fans rejected Arwen, and I even remember we were doubtful of Gandalf after the first trailer, because he is introduced with the "is it safe" scene. So even when the product is about as good as its going to get, fans still were critical. Amazon is truly mistaken to think Lotr fans will just fall in line.
@@Mridul.SThe only issue I have with LoTR trilogy is how they treat Gimly. I do not mind him being a bit of dufus, but like really who else out of Fellowship would be the best candidate to be a comedic relief. They did something *very* wrong with him. When the party discovers Balin's tomb he is heartbroken, falls to his knees and cryes out. In the books he just somberly lowers his hood silent. Both versions of reaction are fine with me (though I prefer the somber one), but at the start of the fight he's standing right on top of his kinsmans tomb and is like "Bring it on!". You treated it as sacred like 5 seconds ago mate!. Wouldn't it be better if he was allowed to savagely murder incoming enemies to the point when Gandalf would say something like "Snap out of it! We have to go!"? Any way Moria is one of the most memorable moments in the trilogy.
@@vespenegas261 'Any way Moria is one of the most memorable moments in the trilogy.' Very true. It's the one thing in LOTR books that stood out for me, far above everything else.
@@MikeWhiskyTango Dude, i was in the cinema with my dad watching it for the first time. He never cared about LoTR, he just wanted to spend some time with me and when I told him "How about we see that" he was like "Fine. Why not". I already read the books so when drums started I wispered to him "This is going to be nasty". The figh and the Balrog scenes were enough for him to buy extended cut editions dvds afterwards.
I don't want a LotR show to represent the modern world. I want it to represent Tolkien's world; the world that fans of all cultures and colors already enjoy and have enjoyed for decades. And if the show writers cared at all about LotR they would want it to represent his world as well. I can't even imagine the amount of privilege and self-entitlement required to think you can do better than something as successful as LotR by injecting your own world view into it.
Then don't watch it, guys. It's an adaptation. It's "based-on." It's not canon. It means nothing. Nothing about LOTR or Tolkien's work changes because of this. The tantrum you're all throwing because you don't know what "adaptation" means is sickening. Seriously, if you can't understand how canon works, why are you EVEN reading Tolkien?
@@davemccombs Oh, don't worry, we WON'T be watching that woke wannabe GOT shitshow with Tolkien surface elements, but we WILL continue to defecate on it at every given opportunity. If you don't like that, too bad.
I rewatched the original trilogy after this. It is so utterly amazing how a fantasy film work feels so much like a real world. Even after having watched it probably over 20 times, its elegance can still move me to tears. This woke buckeg of feces will only make it shine all the clearer.
It feels real, for the simple reason that the films were made by... let me see, real actors, directors, producers etc etc. In short, people who knew their craft. One of the reasons so much rubbish is being force-fed to us - and I believe Rings of Crap will be the culmination of it - is that the newer series, films and the like are being made by people who are not good actors or competent writers, directors. The only thing they care about is their ego and this is SO obvious in this disastrous trailer. I actually feel embarrassed by it, it's so cringe worthy. And you get same feeling when a friend or acquaintance proudly show you their work and it's embarrassingly bad or mediocre. But, as strange as it may sound, I kind of welcome the Rings of Crap : let it be a complete disaster so that people can learn from it and say "OK, enough, it's time to hire people who are COMPETENT and know what they're doing, not manchildren". Oh, and the visuals ? Pretty so obviously FAKE. Just as it is with the fake actors and producers not being able to compete with the professionals who made the LOTR trilogy, so it is with "real" nature. You just can't replicate its beauty...
@@polychronistheo i agree. Last night an add popped up on youtube and i couldn't figure out if it was from game of thrones or rings of power. In the end it was dungeons and dragons. This stuff is so generic that you can't even tell it apart anymore.
The original trilogy really feels like a real world indeed, yet extremely mysterious in a magical way, it makes you want to be there for yourself, it's fantasy galore. The shit they try to create now with the new show feel generic, with "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like" quote. They went in with the wrong mindset, and it will affect the show negatively.
The phrase that "elves have their forests to protect" just betrays how poorly thought out the dialogue is. The elves that these stories are concerned about are the high elves or the eldar. They live in cities and castles in this time. Some live in underground fortresses built with the help of the dwarves. Only the sylvan elves who do not much come into these stories live in the forests but even they have buildings, halls and underground dwellings there. So elves do not mainly live in the forests in this age or any age. Even when Galadriel later lead the elves of Lothlorien, they had houses and a city built into the trees. So they did not live in the woods even at that very perilous time. Seems like this story is written by someone who knows elves live in woods and that's about it. At this stage Middle Earth still has more forests because the Numenoreans haven't cut all the trees yet. But the elves still do not live in forests.
That part was kind of the worst, it looked like a lazy introduction to a video game using the most generic descriptions possible. It's written like the audience needs everything to be kept simple and be explained to them... Doesn't bode well.
@@enjoythestruggle I honestly think, that's because their "desired" audience do need that kind of mental hand-holding and any social triggering removed from their entertainment.
Peter Jackson’s lotr trilogy was so good (not as good as the books oc) that I teared up with that final clip of a king bowing down to the humble hobbits.
A scene which loses impact if the Hobbit race are demonstrated to have had an important part in history prior to it. The Hobbits are meant to be insignificant, having extremely minimal impact on Middle-Earth. Yet 4 managed to change the fate of the world. The moment of the king bowing to these 4 heroes is lost if they decide “Oh nvm, the hobbits have always been important”
A famous nu metal artist once said: "Old does not mean dead, new does not mean best." Also: "I will not celebrate mediocrity. I will not worship empty shells. I will not listen worthless noises. I will not subject myself to selected, predictible choices." I think we can all agree that Amazon deserves a loud "We are not your kind!" in regard to this travesty of an adaptation.
You could flip that the other way around too and say that old doesn't mean good and new doesn't mean bad. By thinking in this way then you fall into the trap of also making the same 'predictable choices'.
@@leosalonen1564 Well, you could *choose* to read it that way, but I wouldn't and I'm pretty sure we know what the intent of the quote was. No one says "new" isn't potentially good, just that being "new" is not enough to be considered "best."
What would Tolkien do? Tolkien would use his mastery of language to write a letter with beautiful prose, detailed descriptions, and about 150 different ways of calling this show an insult to not just his legacy but to art itself. While also finding a way to insult the show runners in such a way they would have to pull out a dictionary to understand it.
You all do realize the Tolkien estate absolutely hated the Peter Jackson films. Yes they wouldn't like this, but they hate the adaptions you all like and think it was a disgrace as well. So the purity test is kinda funny.
As a true fan of the original works this just pisses me off. If there was a story I have always wished there was more of it's this one. I can't help myself when I hear of new works based on the world of Tolkien, wether it's a book, series, movie, video game, etc, I can't help myself the dopamine hits me instantly. Now to see what was a close to perfect work dissected by a bunch of participation trophy ass wipes makes my heart hurt.
Agreed. I'm all for games being made for our entertainment, and I'm even all for fans to write fan-fiction stories. If it comes from real fans of Tolkien's works then they are usually good for fun. I was a fan-fiction writer with a group of friends, writing in the Star Trek universe. It can be a lot of fun, we got to explore "possible changes" to various alien species (trying our best to extrapolate from the set Lore and Media what might have caused them to be X or Y way, etc), and got to create our own characters to play in that world. Our made up stories were for fun only and we never tried thinking it was canon or lore. I focused on Vulcans and showing that emotion might be suppressed but still there and tried putting some Vulcan characters into situations to see if it would make sense for emotion to be elicited, etc. When Fan-Fiction is done by fans it's a homage to the original. It's why I don't mind "Shadow of Mordor" nor "Shadow of War" computer games. They sure butchered the timeline of established history to make those games, but just the feel of it, the look, the sound, the lore being relayed (changed in places to fit, but still changed RESPECTFULLY in order to make their Game-Fan-Fiction work), showed heart and love for Tolkien. I'm mostly a purist when it comes to the actual two books Tolkien published (Hobbit and LOTR) but even then I understand why changes needed to be made when PJ did his first Trilogy. He and those working and acting in LOTR had heart and love and respect for Tolkien. I'm perfectly okay with games like SoM and SoW changing things up in order to give us gamers a fun playground set in Middle Earth to rampage through. I'm perfectly okay with fans making Fan-Fiction that may even change Lore and History of Tolkien's world in order for them to experiment and have fun in: so long as there is heart, and love, and respect. Amazon are showing everything but Heart and Love and Respect. They are trying to pass this off as a "story Tolkien never wrote", but then missing the point as to why he never wrote it. He had talent, respect for history, respect for himself, and respect for his readers. He wouldn't have abused his own established lore just to fit in with modern woke crowd. Certainly not as he was a devote Catholic, for pete's sake.
Convert that anger into action to develop and support alternative media that gets it right, instead of worrying about what the clowns are doing. We don't need corporations like Amazon or Disney, we need new studios and businesses supported by the people who actually have talent and compassion for their work.
@@reallue Amen; and we will make AMAZON SUFFER even more than they have made US suffer for their abomination. We will NEVER "accept" this. This WILL be boycotted by literally everyone who has ever read Tolkiens books. Honestly I find this SHIT Amazon is doing even MORE offensive than The Last Jedi which intentionally was created to DESTROY Star Wars while shitting on THE FANS aka THE PAYING CUSTOMERS(and on Luke) in the process. We have seen the same song and dance a hundred times from the SJW commies before NOBODY BUYS IT. Nobody is gonna "give this a chance" like IDIOTS like to say. We all KNOW what this is. Its "The Last Jedi: Lord of the Rings edition" targeting Tolkiens life works, this time, instead of Star Wars.
“Don’t buy my book!” “This will make the fans mad, and that’s good.” Etc. The real problem is that studios haven’t figured out that a business should not hire people who prize their victimhood status as much as success. They are fine with failure because it reinforces the victim status they value.
Wow - I can't believe Amazon in 2022 does way worse "giant tree" CGI than WoW did upon release. When I think the Two trees of Valinor I think trees reaching to the skies. Branches from horizont to horizont. Awe-inspiring. I've had dreams about Laurelin and Telperion. These aren't the trees of Valinor. These are two dinky novelty light-bulbs...
@@thedoctor14blurayreviews75 gotta start looking elsewhere for the good shit. Lot of foreign media is killing our own with great stories, interesting characters, and minimal current year nonsense (if any at all)
'The past is dead' is like spitting into the face of a person who loved someone who died for a something worth dying for...and then smiling smugly and waiting for applause...
I'm not expecting anything and still manage to be disappointed almost every time in modern movies/series. Rest in peace my man J.R.R, glad you dont have to witness it.
I read The Hobbit when I had just gotten out of the military, and it was a great comfort to me. I only just got around to reading the Lord of the Rings books. I'm only halfway through the first book, but it captured me so much I ended up spending over a $100 on collecting all of the other Tolkien books I didn't even know existed just six months ago. I'm new to all of this, but my passion to stand the ground against the vandalization of this amazing story is as firm as anyone else's. Keep holding that torch, Gary! We ride to you against these dark times!
Lmfaoooo "I haven't even read the LOTR books, but I care SO MUCH about keeping blacks and women out of it that it is now my PASSION! Thanks for standing up for this thing that is so important to me (that I haven't even read), racist nerd who makes RU-vid videos!"
New quote for Amazon, showing up in the comment section of the main teaser: “But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Iluvatar; for he saught therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself.” JRR Tolkien Ainulindale, The Silmarillion
Some angels stopped singing, confused at what was happening, others, even more confused (and in a preluge of what would come next) started following Melkor's theme. BUT even with those intermitions, Éru Ilúvatar himself started to improvise and, somehow, managed to appropriate Melkor's brightest notes from his intromission into Éru's whole composition. Time and time again, Melkor tried to derail the whole thing, only for the main theme by Eru Iluvatar to return triumphantly, even getting supported by Melkor's apparent intromissions. And when the song finalized, Ilúvatar showed all the angels and archangels how with their melody they had shaped the whole world and its history
I hope it flops so hard,that Amazon never again wants to do a thing like this and those who made it never again get a job in this industry. If it survives,i hope it will have a 3rd season,just to prove that "every show gets better at the 3rd season" is bullmanure.
They'll move mountains in order to make a third season, come hell or high water. And they'll shill even harder than Di$ne¥ did for the movie Captain Marvel. Not that it will help. ST Picard, Discovery, the 13th Doctor Who, Batwoman, they'll look good when compared to THIS turd.
If "the past is dead", why are Amazon having anything to do with Tolkien, period? Why not write something from scratch, something woke from the ground up? We all know the answer to this question, which is the past isn't dead, it's all they've got to take anything from, which has an ounce of credibility and quality! Can you imagine if they created something themselves?
We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves-Peter jackson
"Galadriel his sister went not with him to Nargothrond, for in Doriath dwelt Celeborn, kinsman of Thingol, and there was great love between them. Therefore she remained in the Hidden Kingdom, and abode with Melian and of her learned great deal lore and wisdom concerning MIddle-earth." J.R.R Tolkien The Silmarillion, page 105., HarperCollins Illustrated Edtion 2021 So much for a warrior Galadriel
the meteor teaser is the most accurate thing to date, with the right perspective. the meteor is the show and we are the people of middle earth watcing it slowly crash and burn.
“The canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different, and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.” “He has cut the parts of the story upon which its characteristic and peculiar tone principally depends, showing a preference for fights; and he has made no serious attempt to represent the heart of the tale adequately: the journey of the Ringbearers.” “Here I may say that I fail to see why the time-scheme should be deliberately contracted. It is already rather packed in the original, the main action occurring between Sept. 22 and March 25 of the following year.” “The many impossibilities and absurdities which further hurrying produces might, I suppose, be unobserved by an uncritical viewer; but I do not see why they should be unnecessarily introduced. Time must naturally be left vaguer in a picture than in a book; but I cannot see why definite time-statements, contrary to the book and to probability, should be made,” “The last and most important pan of this has, and it is not too strong a word, simply been murdered.” J.R.R. Tolkien
This. Thisthisthis! The only real noticeable time-jump in Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy was the very start, between the Birthday Party and Bilbo leaving to when Gandalf returned and set Frodo and Sam on their quest to get to Bree. I believe the actual time period in the book is about 15 years or so between those two events, but in the film it seems to have only been weeks or months at most, thus Bilbo's aging seemed VERY fast. But all things considered, that time-compression is perfectly acceptable in film-making to keep people engaged and interested, and the "swifter aging" of Bilbo is (in film) easily deduced to be a "cold-turkey" reaction to giving up the One Ring after having had it for 50-70 years but not having been as corrupted by it as Smeagol was. Gollum didn't seem to have rapidly aged, but then he had possessed it for 500 years before it left him, so he was already well past the area of corruption and degradation that Bilbo had experienced.
@@Iluvantir It was a few months shy of 17 years to be precise. Frodo received the Ring on his 33rd birthday and left Bag End on his 50th. Gandalf returned a few months before Frodo set out on his journey.
For the most part I can ignore how terrible modern media has become by turning to classic works that are infinitely better, but this perversion and destruction of past works is beyond belief. I knew they would destroy Tolkien's work so I never intended to watch this, but it's existence infuriates me. I know The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and LotR to a fanatical degree and as such there are moments, even in the original trilogy, that bother me, but the overall tone and feel was such that you could tell the creators wanted to do Tolkien's world and characters justice. The Hobbit fell of the cliff for a myriad of reasons and now we have this abomination. It's existence is an affront to the millions of people world wide who have read and love Tolkien's works. I will not watch one minute of this farce, but from time to time, I will be reminded of its existence and that is enough to warrant my anger.
You don't have to have seen something to know that either it will be bad or it's not for you. This was never for me from the second the first trailer dropped. And I only saw the Peter Jackson movies.
You know what's funny? My brother is knee-deep with the woke crowd, I got to meet dozens of them over the years, and not ONE gives two shits about classic geek culture IPs like LOTR, Star Wars, Trek, Marvel and so on. When they do watch shows/movies is queer stuff like "Modern Family" or some pretentious "cool" hipster indie shit. So I can only assume that a big portion of these woke renditions' income is provided by the non-woke fans. Crazy times.
If only the other "Fandoms" out there were as connected and intelligent as the Tolkien Fandom! Mad respect to those Fans for trying to make sure this garbage gets absolutely demolished.
Its never going to happen.... You think all the basic fantasy fans not caring thaat much about how true the series is to Tolkiens work will care? No they will not. We are so outnumbered. Just wait. In october we will just be seen as angry fantasy incel hipsters with no lives.
I love being a part of the Tolkien fandom, and I take pride knowing that we are one of the last bastions of integrity among modern media audiences. Thank you all for your efforts, together we may yet hope to overcome these dark times
WELL SAID and same here. I also take great pride in being a real Tolkien fan. We are united like NO OTHER fanbase has ever been, and we've always been united like this. We love Tolkiens works in his world with HIS messages NOT hollyweirdos COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA and AntiWhite RACIST HATRED they insert literally EVERYWHERE. They even get freaking OBVIOUS things DEAD WRONG; Like Ar Pharazon last king of Numenor; before he turned Evil he was known as "Pharazon the Golden" for his Golden blond hair, and also because even among Numenoreans he was a particularly strong and fast superman. And his queen Tar Miriel is described in her physical descriptions as fair BEYOND COMPARE meaning WHITE SKINNED and like all most others of the house of hador, golden haired. Except they race swapped her, most likely because she was the only one who REMAINED on numenor who was faithful to Eru Illuvatar(God in Tolkiens universe). Remember in commie horseshit WHITE MEANS BAD, NONWHITE ESP BLACK MEANS GOOD in their RACIAL HATRED OF BOTH OUR RACES and attempt to divide us so we don't combine forces and DESTROY THEM ALL like they FEAR. Its why Blacks defecting EN MASSE to the Republican party is SCARING THE SHIT out of our enemies in the left. They are TERRFIED because Black people don't wanna be beholden to the party that ENSLAVED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE and FOUGHT A WAR IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM AS SLAVES. THEY NEVER MENTION THAT ON CNN OR MSNBC THE MAINSTREAM COMMUNIST FAKE NEWS "NETWORKS", OF COURSE.
It would be great if they could arrange for a re-release of the Peter Jackson trilogy with as many deleted scenes restored as possible on the same day that rings of power starts streaming.
"The past is dead ... we either move forward or die with it." So, why did Amazon chose to twist and mutate Tolkien's work rather than come up with something new and original to fascinate us with? "Because the profits would die and we either move our profits forward or die with it."
The funny thing is... If they just had the guts to make a cheesy middle earth clone/action movie with their own story, "Diverse and Inclusive" cast and "Not Hobbits/Elves/Dwarves/Orcs I'd have probably watched it and enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure. Rings Of Power... I will not even watch that skin walker of a show if they paid me.
@@Tom-sd9jb We all know you will watch it though and secretly, if we just remove the entirety of LOTR from the lore, story line, characters and just block your ears every time someone says a familiar name, it could just be "The ring story, with a Narnia story line and a strange love interest in two people who have no interest in love, are eternal beings and dont look 20 because they're 4000 years old and fully developed. Also, Elrond literally looked the same during the main battle of the entire LOTR franchise yet, here, looks like he's just falled out of the womb.
It's sooooo baaaaad... I'm so thankful to Peter Jackson and everyone who worked on the original trilogy... They made it so good It's basically ageless and Amazon's LOTR series can't take that away :)
The decline of the MCU, and the utter failure of The Rings of Power, will either wake up the industry, or break up the industry. I'm personally hoping for the latter, as Hollywood going broke, and decentralized media rising to take its place, both sound like favorable outcomes to me.
Same I'm hoping for the latter thats what my boycotts are aiming for: I want hollyweird to go BANKRUPT And be run out of business permanently, thereby DESTROYING the "cultural arm" of the democrat party the Communist party in other words. I guess I would settle for them being woken up and begin mass firings of SJW communists types and get rid of all "woke" feminist sjw commie dogshit propaganda from ALL movies ALL TV shows from EVERYTHING from there on out; but I think they'll beg for more GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS before that happens; but if those are DENIED as they SHOULD BE and WOULD BE UNDER A REAL ELECTED PRESIDENT, they would be FORCED to either ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES or JUST BARELY stay afloat by answering to ALL of our demands of them and firing EVERYONE we hate the sjws who dont belong making this stuff in the first place. Either way; we WILL WIN in the end. Its really just a matter of time....of course I'd love to see it happen sooner instead of later. But I'll keep boycotting as long as it takes. I hate these people as much as they hate me and all of us.
It doesn't matter that it's not out. People who have invested time reading Tolkien's body of work have been shown enough and what they have been shown is both lacking and wanting. To fans, this isn't just a "let's see how it goes" thing. It's sacrilege. An insult. I could write a long post focusing purely on internal consistency of lore and how the trailers already destroy that. I could write another addressing the not so subtle insertion of the modern day sociopolitical agenda. I've decided however, that I'm not going to invest time and emotion into engaging in Amazon's misguided and money grabbing "attempt" at "adapting" Tolkien's work any further after writing this comment. Funny thing is...big they just made a shameless LOTR clone with a diverse and inclusive cast and there own story, I'd have probably lapped it up and enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure.
I can't help thinking that this was always going to happen. The film machine was always going to tear down Tolkein's works at some point in time. Why? Because I remember way back 20 years ago when The Two Towers came out. And they were interviewing all the actors. One of them was Bernard Hill (King Theoden). He kept going on and on and on in his interview that the cast was white and the books were white because blah, blah, blah Tolkein was writing white. And it really struck me as off based and odd. Why? I'm not white, but that LOTR is a mythology based on ancient celtic myths in a fantasy version of England did not bother me. I wasn't seeking for it to mirror me because it was FANTASY. It never entered my head that there should be DIVERSE things in it. So the fact that this actor kept going on and one about it had my alarm bells ringing. Well the shoe just dropped. As it always would be and they knew it 20 freaking years ago!
I'd have no problem with black(or any other ethnicity) elves/dwarfs or whatever, but write a new story, even if it was based(cough ripped-off) of Tolkien, I really think they're incapable of doing so at this point, they've done nothing but remake hosed down versions of all the good 70-80s movies the last 20 years. I refuse to give these idiots my money, so many good older/foreign movies to watch.
@Mikey C They obscure and reveal info at will online. I forgot the exact venue the interview was posted on 20 years ago. I wish I had kept it. But I didn’t realize them that they were planning to make a sacrifice of Tolkien’s work.
@@bluefish4999 I mean they basically have written a new story tbh. What this thing is, is Tolkien fan fiction with ridiculous resources. The writing better be great or else it will crash & burn. With all the money they spent they should have bought the rights to absolutely everything. So many weird decisions.
Really puts it in perspective just what we are missing out on by showing us the "you bow to no one" scene at the end - that scene made me tear up and gave me goose bumps, and I seriously doubt the Amazon show will have ANYTHING that will come even close to moving us in the same way the Peter Jackson movies did.
Compare the Galadriel from the Jackson's trilogy who had an air about her that was powerful to this new Galadriel who wears armour but yet seems more fragile.
Galadriel never needed to wear armor and fight with swords. Her power was beyond that of the physical world, what need would she have to use a pointed stick?
Obviously Tolkien and the writers of the Jackson movies were sexist And of course the people who morphed one of the most memorable and unique feminine characters of LoTR into a generic STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER are not the actual sexists
@@antonissamp6654 prior to FotR being released, there was massive outrage from some purists about the expansion of Arwen's role. Some fans have very selective memories!
Funny because I think the actress can take the role of Celebrian, Galadriel's daughter, instead. She just look too young. She's even younger-looking than Elrond's actor. 🤦♀️ And putting armor on her and giving her that sword makes her look more ridiculous.
Shit. The last 10 seconds showing everyone knelling before the hobbits hit me in the heart. It also showed how Aragorn's crown looks a helluva lot more realistic than the plastic nose pieces the horses were wearing.
@Let Your L⚡️GHT Forever Shine ❤️ Isaiah 13:16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
I got chills immediately and teary eyed at just that one clip even though I have seen the film more than a dozen times. Nothing will ever compare to Peter Jackson’s trilogy. It was the perfect time, place, and people. You can’t repeat that.
An incorrect quote commonly used by incels pretending to be Tolkien fans. The correct Tolkien quote is: ''The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.''
@@rayherver2572 Paraphrasing a quote, but making it longer and more sloppy? But seriously... do you not see the irony is bastardizing a quote about bastardizing things?
It seems to be lots of pedestrian, checklist “flash” and perfunctory substance. I’ll DEFINITELY give it a shot, but each one of us will *know* from the very first episode whether this is a labor of love and a work that preserves the wonder of Tolkien’s spirit … or if it’s a case of Bezos basically saying, “Bring me the head of a golden unicorn on a plate for the amusement of my guests!”
I keep going back to how I felt when I saw one of the first trailers for The Fellowship of the Ring before it came out. It showed the shot from "the Ring Goes South" of all the members of the Fellowship cresting a hill. I got chills because I could tell exactly who every character was without having to be told by the casting choices, the way the actors carried themselves, the costumes, everything. With the rings of power trailer, I would have been able to tell maybe who Galadriel was if I hadn't known. The others I would have no idea, even the supposedly canon characters. And I've read the Silmarillion multiple times.
So the Amazon trailer is basically telling us to forget Tolkien, in favour of their fake product that has nothing to do with Tolkien - except the sticker on the box and a few Middle-Earth names. You know, it would have been a lot easier if they'd just stuck to the relatively little source material they DID have the rights to and then filled in the blanks with (good) original material. That actually would have made sense, and been something that was both original yet still faithful to Tolkien, at the same time. . But nope, Amazon didn't even try. This was NEVER really about Tolkien's Middle-Earth for them. They straight up ignored what his creation meant to his fans or how devoted they were to it. They got rid of their one actual genuine Tolkien scholar, and swapped him out with a bunch of paid up fake ones, along with a pack of activists. Because Tolkien's Middle-Earth should apparently be about modern day identity politics, instead of being about.....Tolkien's Middle-Earth. There was PLENTY of scope for new material that didn't contradict the lore. No need for reinventing canon races or characters for one's personal... needs. . And squishing thousands of years worth of events into a few generations shows how little the showrunners understand or respect the source material. (and right now it looks to me they're trying to pull a DC, just rushing things to the grand conclusion in a few years) Christopher Tolkien, I used to be really, REALLY annoyed that you wouldn't sell the rights to the Silmarillion. But you understood something all along, I never did until now. I've finally come to realise what would happen to your father's creation when it falls into the hands of those who have no true understanding of, or genuine respect for it. Thank you for defending Middle-Earth all these years. You were a worthy son, and one your father would have been proud of. And I now have far more respect for you than I ever did before. RESPECT THE LORE. RESPECT THE LORE.
If this were introduced as a all new series with original characters, I may have watched it. Linking it to LOTR was a monstrous mistake if they wanted to appeal (not alienate) the real Tolkien fans. I won't watch it because it would probably make me have a seizure.
Spot on. I hated Peter Jacksons adaptation for changing things, casting Hugo Weaving and in general not being in line with how I imagined it :) But I could watch this as throw away entertainment if it wasn't branded as middle earth.
The ideologues at Amazon, the producers, showrunners, cast, and woke acolytes have categorically missed the point of Tolkien's Middle Earth. This is because his creative genius is an expression of essential Truth - that despite all of our physical differences, whether one be Elvish, Entish, Dwarvish, Man or Halfling, we are all one in our spirit, as children of Eru Iluvatar. Our superficial, external differences are insignificant. Thus the sickening notion that one cannot identify and empathize with another sentient being, or in this case a character, who does not wear the same type of flesh-bag as oneself, is a notion that stands in direct contradiction to the profound meaning of our beloved Professor's works.
Anyone else notice that they've neglected to include the ONE (just ONE) characteristic we knew about the physical description of Elendil? He's supposed to be Elendil the Tall, not the Elendil the kinda normal. I understand wanting to cast a decent actor (5'11"), but wasn't there even one man that was at least 6'6" or thereabouts with an acceptable CV? If they can't get characteristics that simple to make sense, what else have they screwed up (beyond what's already known, such as the supposed "coastal capital" of Numenor).
In the book, Galadriel is 1.85, this Amazon Galadriel is 1.60. If they planned to make Galadriel a warrior, why didn't they choose a tall female actor? This Woman's appearance is not bad, but her voice does not suit Galadriel as well. On the other hand, all male characters in the LotR books is above 1.90. However in films, all male actors were under 1.85.
@@SuperNintendoChalmers1 Source: Unfinished Tales. It's in the notes to the Beacons of Gondor: Elendil was buried on (what became) the beacon-hill of Amon Anwar (the Halifirien)
Every time I see something like Rings of Power, I can't help but wonder what do the actors think about the whole thing. I know they're happy to get work, but do any of them have doubts about what they're taking part in? When they see the awful script they're given and all the mediocre costumes they're dressed in, do they think to themselves: "Is this a right thing to do? I wanted to play a character out of Tolkien's lore for so long, but not like this." Also, this is what I think every time I see Henry Cavill. The poor guy was born in the wrong era. He got to play Superman, Geralt, Sherlock Holmes, but every time it was a part of a complete shit-show of a movie or series.
They see it and they know it. They either agree with putting agendas in media, or they smile and nod and play along so they can build their career. Working in media is a minefield right now that has gotten steadily worse since this all started.
He is still a competent, dedicated actor that does the very best he can with the sh*t he's in, and he has my respect for that. But yes, this is a travesty. Entertainment and popular culture, as we know them, are dying.
Henry worked hard to keep Geralt as close to the story as possible. He intervened multiply times to have his way over the director's idea that was even further removed. Henry has always been very diplomatic but if you read between the lines, he does show his disagreement. When asked if he was a gamer he even corrected the interviewer by stating specifically he was a "PC gamer". Showing he is clearly one of us, aware of the different platforms. He's as legit as a "nerd" as a famous actor gets although "nerd" has lost all meaning since gaming has become a mainstream thing and not some "nerd culture" thing.
"White!" he sneered. "It serves as a beginning. White cloth may be dyed. The white page can be overwritten; and the white light can be broken." "In which case it is no longer white," said I. "And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom." Amazon is taking Tolkien as 'a beginning,' they are dying his characters, overwriting his lore, and shattering the light of Middle-earth.
Well said Daniel Liu. And EXCELLENT usage of the convsersation between Saruman(the Commie bastard traitor) and Gandalf, that happened when Saruman was trying to tempt Gandalf with the Ring(but didnt realize how much Gandalf already knew about it; and knew taht Saruman, like Commies today, would just betray him in the end regardless of the outcome, and there could only be one Lord of the Rings even if Sauron was destroyed it was either him or Saruman and Saruman would never share power - just like Saruman).
It’s actually made me angry watching what happened/is happening to the franchises I loved growing up. And even into adulthood. Lord of the rings in particular, I owe my imagination to the detailed and descriptive writings of Tolkien. Absolutely gutted seeing these nonces ruin it 🤦🏼♂️
Galadriel is one of my favorite characters in all of Tolkien's works. She was alive before the first age and saw the two trees. She was ultimately second only to her uncle Feanor in mind and body. She was one of the leaders in the rebellion of the Noldor though she wasn't a kinslayer. She lived through the wars of Beleriand and the war of wrath. She was the last remaining leader of the Elves who led the Noldor back to Middle Earth. She was one of the few who rejected Sauron in the second age. She wore one of the 3 elven rings. She was a part of the white council. Mighty elves such as Elrond, Gil-Galad, Cirdan, and Celeborn valued her wisdom. She had powers beyond any remaining elves in Middle Earth. So much great story to draw from in order to create a wonderful character. But no, they had to turn her into a barbarian queen. I say that feminism is responsible for some of the worst misogyny on today's women. Case in point, in an effort to make Galadriel better because they think women can only succeed if they turn into men, the showrunners diminish the power and dignity of the character.
There is a stupidity in most people who read the book. How is Galadriel described in the books? Physically? What weapons can he use? How does he ride a horse? Galadriel is constantly on the road in the 2nd term. Are there no danger zones? The writers of the story filled the gap very well and revealed the stupidity of the people who read the book.
“The past is dead” told me everything I need to know. Not even hate watching it, had to take a shower after seeing this trailer. My heart aches as we probably will never get a good silm adaptation…
@@michaelkeegan9260 Possibly. And it has a way better chance of being good than this Amazon Abomination ever had even before we knew FOR CERTAIN that it was sjw commie propaganda about spreading "the message" of the establishment leftists.
What I'm scared of is people who've seen good quality un woke films And TV can see right through this crap. But the new generation that hasn't seen anything apart from woke abominations will eventually fall into this trap and won't even realize something is wrong with what they're seeing.
Most kids and younger people these days watch old stuff from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. Most of them KNOW what actual GOOD ENTERTAINMENT(not propaganda) is. Because of the internet. So Disneys, and the whole woke commie lefts, plot isnt gonna work that well. As ALWAYS they think their audience are literally retards. They will be EATING their own words before long just like Disney did with SJW Disney Soy Wars thats BLEEDING MONEY.
I am 50 years old. I have read The Lord of The Rings. It was a difficult read for me, even as an avid reader. Tolkein's language is so beautiful and so far above my intelligence. This man was on a different level. I also very much enjoyed Jackson's trilogy, most especially the extended blue rays. Just the short bit you played at the end brought tears to my eyes. Those movies are art. I have Prime. I won't watch even a second of this bilge. Amazon can go to Hell.
@@reek4062 I mean I nerd raged as hard as anyone that it wasn't just like the books. Like taking out Tom and adding Arwen and Spiderman Legolas. But seeing the WoT series, I don't think "poor adaptation " fits these days
@@benhagstrom2185 the only people who say it's 'poorly adapted' are the ones who just wanna sound edgy online... or like Reek here, haven't actually read the books but for some reason feels compelled to white knight for Amazon's show...
“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren’t going to put any of our own messages or our own themes into these movies in a way, we were trying to make these films for him [the author], not for ourselves.” Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh - 2001
And even Jackson strayed from the source material but he did it realistically for a cinema adaptation. Now we have these baboons openly admitting they don't care about the source material.
Having recently read the Silmarillion, The Rings of Power is the most insane, stupid adaption I have ever seen. "Schizophrenic woke diverse fan fiction" doesn't even begin to describe it. I don't have to wait for the release to know that. I mean, the title itself is about something that basically happens after most of the chronology in the book is old enough to be considered legend.
Um, how the hell would that little Harfoot woman know ANYTHING about what happened in Lindon, or Beleriand, let alone Valinor? If I understand correctly, the Harfoots in this show are still East of the Misty Mountains and are quite the purposeful isolationists. Wow, that can't even get the open narration right. What a mess.
The problem they have for this is they don’t even have the goodwill of a fanbase whom hasn’t seen an adaptation really wanting this to be good. The Wheel of Time fanbase always wanted an adaptation of the novels so the mediocre shlock was at least presented to people who wanted to believe. Tolkien’s fans have got six movies all of which look better than this, and the Hobbit movies were bloated mediocrity and not that long ago. There really was no pent up appetite for this series.
But they wanted to "kill the past; let it die" remember? They keep saying that after all; in The Worst Jedi in 2017; in THIS turd even DARING to put such an evil and STUPID and false line in the TRAILER for this. Their intention is VANDALISM NOT making money. I hope every single one of the people here boycotts this fucking evil act of vandalism and racist hatred from Amazon they are calling "the rings of power"(that too is an INSULT the very NAME of this piece of shit). Boycott this shit. Let all woke things BURN in mockery and then in irrelevant obscurity. As they always do. And as they all DESERVE to.
I recently watched a video from a very, very empassioned fan of the books and of Tolkien himself, who suggested that we fight this thing tooth and nail. there was even talk in her comments section of submitting the Legendarium to UNESCO as a protected piece of timeless European Culture. All I can say at this point, is shame on Tolkien's Estate for allowing Amazon to piss on his work, his grave, and his faith like this.
Agreed. SHAME on Chris Tolkiens legal heir's. Its not like they were freaking hurting for money AT ALL. This would have NEVER HAPPENED(EVER) if either JRR or his son Chris Tolkien were alive. And the commies who are vandalizing this KNOW IT. Its also why they try to twist Tolkien quotes and use them for their own purposes when in reality Tolkien would be APPALLED at this evil dogshit; what Amazon is doing to his treasured Mythos is basically EVERYTHING HE HATED about Hollyweird and about all those types of scumbags, from his earliest writings.
My alma mater, Marquette University, is one of two locations where Tolkien’s manuscripts reside. These archives were credited at the end of the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies. I do not have the same expectations for Rings of Power and when it is missing it will prove to me that this show is no true prequel.
The you bow to noone got a tear outa me, its great to see a whole fanbase fight back, united against lies n corruption. Guess they didnt know why lotr was loved by everyone
Lmao nobody gives a shit about a bunch of racist incels crying on the internet. The fact that you think disliking a trailer on RU-vid and leaving some stupid meme comment constitutes some epic "united fight against lies and corruption" is so fucking sad. 😂
It's a shame that Chris Tolkien died a few years ago, as when the Author/owner of the story is still alive Amazon can come out with good enjoyable adaptations like they did with Reacher and the terminal list
Chris Tolkien may just as well resurrect himself just to thrash this abomination (I mean the man was not happy even with Jackson's LoTR, he would decimate these people for what they are doing to his father's legacy with this turd)
Indeed. Chris Tolkien would NEVER(and I do mean NEVER) have allowed this SHIT to happen. He was very strict with Peter Jackson, who actually RESPECTED and ADMIRED the source material. He would take one look at the sjw commie bullshit being pushed as "RoP" and DENY them IMMEDIATELY, even after looking at the money they want to spend on it. Because not only did the Tolkien estate ALREADY HAVE money but Chris, and his dad JRR Tolkien, were war veterans and believed in things much greater, and FAR LONGER LASTING, than ANY of the commie bullshit hollywood peddles. And Chris(and JRRs) opinion of Communism was ALREADY IN THE BOOKS; in the LORD OF THE RINGS itself actually; in the Scouring of the Shire Saruman basically turns the Shire into a Communist police state, and Frodo and the other hobbits have to drive out Saruman and his commie slaves, and take back the Shire. I'm SURE the Sjw Scumbags just HATE THAT CHAPTER with all their little might.
@@kennethsnodgrass2607 it sort of makes the argument that Amazon is "woke" ridiculous. Amazon exists to capture as much money as possible, and makes a variety of content to that end.
"Women, do you feel seen?" hahaha I was thinking the other day how one of my all time favorite movies is Boyz N the Hood. I am whiter than Casper and not represented in that film, but who cares? It's a great story with relatable characters. I think those who are obsessed with being represented just have no self worth. And maybe they're right not to have any.
100% agreed. In fact I've always thought the same. Its the same with all these SJWs, communists, cultural vandals, and MONSTERS that make up AND ACTUALLY USE excuses for why White People like us should be literally exterminated in death camps. I have LITERALLY heard several SJW commies make an "Argument"(if it can even be called that lol) for "why white people should be exterminated". THATS LITERALLY HOW THEY THINK. They are ACTUALLY that demented and that STUPID and EVIL. " I think those who are obsessed with being represented just have no self worth. And maybe they're right not to have any."
From the lowest dungeon to the highest peak I fought with the Balrog of Amazon.. Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountain side
After being freed by the dwarves, the Balrog established Amazon's Moria warehouse, and spent his days flogging employees and refusing to let them take bathroom breaks. He stayed in the lower levels for decades, until one day, he heard rumours that Gandalf had come to Moria to organize a union.
@@kalm6872 I seriously have the feeling some of them had LOTR running in the background while on their phone and that was kind of all the "research" they did.
@@andreipopa6959 It's still a bit weird to make them out as kind of a duo and that they're the same age when she's his future mother in law... Additionally Galadriel is supposed to be older than a bunch of the other elves we see which all looks twice her age.
We've seen this deconstructive appropriation so many times with things like Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel, He-Man etc. Seeing people come together against this nonsense makes me proud to be a Tolkien fan.
My favorite part of the trailer was when Elrond morbed into the balrog and shot magma-lightning into Morgoth's penthouse chambers in Barad-dûr and then looked into the camera and said "You just Ringed your last Power." One of the moments of Middle Earth ever.
I honestly don't think this will be a flop. It looks like they've crafted a perfect universe for the Normy Consumer. The kind of people who don't care about continuity or sincerity. The kind of people who don't ask questions and Just Consume Product. You know, people that like the Obi-Wan show
You may well be right...just look at all the dreck that gets viewers. (I can't remember the last newer show that I liked. First season of Stranger Things, I guess? I just watch Firefly over and over again these days.)
The Kenobi show initially drew huge numbers from name recognition alone, before having its mantle well and truly stolen by Stranger Things s4. Rings of Power will suffer the very same fate. Alas for Amazon: It’s a lot more expensive than the cheap fan-fic trash that was Kenobi. The show can’t be canceled before its initial 5-seasons run but it will shake up the industry, that’s for sure.
to an extent I agree I think they are aiming it that way, but normy consumers have traditionally hated this kind of fantasy swords & sorcery stuff, Hollywood is littered with adaptions of dungeons & dragons, and many other imitation copies of Tolkien world style, that all tanked big style. Thats why Peter Jackson struggled to find anyone willing to back him making the movies in the first place, because Hollywood felt it was too risky and a guaranteed disaster. That it was an unbelievably success not just among Tolkien fans, but normy consumers, is testament I think to Jacksons passion for the source material and skill in enabling everyone working on those films to get that vision on the screen as the best work theyve ever done these bozo's minions making TROP, neither have passion for the source material, because they wouldnt be deconstructing it at all if they did, the skill to write good original content, or enable people working on the show to get their vision as the best work theyve ever done, instead of talking about the awesome exciting story theyve made, everyone interviewed about this show is all about how many tickboxes theyve hit. so whats then in it for normy consumers ? take Ewan McGregor out of Kenobi, half the normys wouldnt have tuned in,and this shows got no star name pull at all, just character names you remember from the films (Im assuming most normy consumers dont read the books) a bunch of stilted dialogue, and if thats the best theyve got for a trailer, its going to be CW talking about feelings in corridors show level. And the thing with CW level stuff is normy consumers dont watch it in great numbers, just ask Batwoman. no doubt the MSM will gush over the first episode,about how brave & stunning it is, it will have a peak audience, and then like the effect we are seeing in the cinema with films emphasis on "content" the 2nd week tanks and the ratings drop and by the end no one is talking about it anymore, just like Miss Marvel.
When Critical Drinker pointed out Idiot McSquishyface was supposed to be Elrond, that blew mind. They aren’t even trying to make elves the beautiful characters from the source material.
Just watched Return of the King yesterday and that scene almost had me in tears. So much better and more meaningful than any shit Amazon is gonna produce to spread the message.
You can, and often should, move forward, but if you do so without knowing who you are and from where you come from, then you cannot properly plan and know where you are going, and such individuals only become lost. Our history is a priceless treasure that sadly so many have taken for granted. It was not only meant to informs us of who we were, and explains who we are, but reminds us who we should become--better than those who came before us--NOT by forgetting or dismissing their contributions, but humbling acknowledging that we stand on the shoulders of giants and are only able to reach as high as we have because of those that came before us--sacrificing their blood, sweat, tears, even their very lives paid for what we have today and get to enjoy. Therefore, those who forget, subvert, and/or replace their past, are condemning themselves to repeating the same errors of the past thereby regressing and not progressing as are meant and ordained to do. “There is a way that seems right to a man, but it ends is the way of death.” (Proverbs 16:25) “That which is has already been, and what is to be, has already been; And GOD requires an account of what is past.” (Ecclesiastes 3:15) Leftism is an immoral ideology that only creates narcissist, division, poverty, misery, destruction, and death. It destroys the heart, mind, and soul of all those who consumed the leftist poisonous cool aid made from leftism’s rotten fruits plucked from leftism’s Tree of Deceit. (Matthew 7:15-20, 12:33; Luke 6:43-45) Leftism creates narcissist, and a society in which its population consist mostly of narcissist cannot and does not endure. Which is why, throughout human history, ALL leftist (aka pagan) societies have fallen, in the same manner that the first human city/civilization that LEFT the RIGHT way of GOD fell, so too will all who follow in the steps of arrogance and ignorance (Genesis 11 & 19) Joshau 24:15 John 8:32 & 14:6 Psalms 28:7 Strength and Honor!
