Please note some of the data was incorrect due to a bad Windows 11 install, the correct data can be found here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-izqEZmjTfuM.html In short the 11% uplift we saw on average for the 9700X should be 7%. Similar scaling will apply to the 7700X.
Yeah we're going from absurdly high fps to even more absurd amounts of fps. It's all nice on paper, but it holds no practical value. It's like having a super fast sports car that you can't drive anywhere. 🤷🏻
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy Its highly possible that these performance gains were intended by Microsoft as a precursor to their future handheld variant of Win 11. Apparently they intend to create a Microsoft Windows handheld themselves to compete against Sony and Nintendo, (whilst ditching the Xbox Console class big hardware). That new AMD APU (Strix Halo) with 32 to 40 CUs is intended to release next year, bringing 2080Ti class performance to the small screen handheld market. I would be interested though in what 24H2 means for current handhelds like the Legion Go and Ally series, being that they run on the Ryzen 7000 and 8000 series APUs.
I love that this started out with AMD claiming that Windows was massively holding back their new chips, everyone went "Yeah, sure." And apparently it was true? Forget about downloading more RAM, this is downloading more CPUs.
This is at least the third time in my life this has happened, but I'm old, so I certainly didn't go "Yeah, sure". MS has been treating AMD as the black sheep since the start, and the fact that it went full "Snapdragon is the future!" the moment Intel fell asleep at the wheel, snubbing AMD in the process, should be all the evidence you need that it still has that outlook.
It started with AMD blaming the minimal improvement of Zen 5 over Zen 4 on Windows, which turned out to not be true at all since Zen 4 sees the same improvements
@@Gen0cidePTB because snapdragon IS the future. laptops sell more than expensive desktops and for laptops snapdragon has a comfortable lead that cant just be overcome in a few generations by amd unless they start making arm chips which i doubt they will for now.
@@rodrigorras I'm with you there. I actually only run Linux, even for gaming. So I won't personally be able to take advantage of what MS is doing here, but just glad to see more optimization in general for my friends who can't/won't move off Windows
@@ryanseipp6944 Thanks dude, I happily embrace 3% without crying. If we enable PBO 105W, it might bring an extra 2-3% in Windows 11 24H2 + tweaks. AMD will reduce the cost, and it's going to be perceived as a good product. Intel just got kicked in the spine after 24H2. I agree it doesn't make an amazing gaming product like x3D against AMD internal competition, but, big BUT here, it's so much more competitive against INTEL now...I am very happy
I see countless hours and sleepless nights for Steve, to test multiple CPU generations, how they improve, once the final 24H2 is release to public. :))
Thanks for putting an insane amount of time and testing effort, diving down all the rabbit holes AMD has put down with this Ryzen 9 release! 🍻 ... Back to you, Steve!
AMD is a good guy like some of the user friendly games - when new DLC comes up and 90% of content is in free patch and 10% cosmetics is behind pay wall (zen5). You just did get 10x upgrade of zen5 for free sir ;)
i dont get how buying something at the same price = free lol. Like I get how this is good news but I can't just afford to buy this new cpu instantly like that
@@argotheinformant When you have to buy something at the same price ~ aka, if you had no other choice on options such as the 7000s no longer being buyable then it would make sense, but yea... the price it is at now just doesnt make sense either one until then. I would stick with the 3DX 7000s
This is nuts. I don't have words for how insane this is. I expect there's going to be a huge in-rush of performance testing from a lot of the tech tube crowd.
Oh wow just a few weeks after the Windows 10 vs Windows 11 video. I hope you revisit that video some time in the future Steve. Impressive work here as always!
Just tested this, absolutely no gains compared to a Windows 10 IoT LTSC with ReviOS playbook applied on it. I guess this was a problem for those that use vanilla Windows 11. I already knew it heavily hinders your hardware´s performance, no news here. No one should use that operating system.
I'm sorry Steve but you know what we need to see next. A final showdown between 5800x3D - 7800x3D - 9700x - 14900k on 24H2 update. Only then we can let you go until next gen arrives.
Yes I wanna see 5900x tested too, I wonder if that would result in free performance for an old CPU like that. Also is this only related to gaming perfomance or other tasks too?
@@bgtubber Haven’t had time to watch the whole thing just yet but it is on my watch later, thanks for letting me know it’s worth to watch the rest (for Zen 4 users).
The 5700x is possibly the most ignored Zen3 CPU in any chart made by any reviewer. I always kind of have to guess where my CPU would be be on a chart based on the 5600x and 5800x, and that's hardly accurate.
And the Intel processors as well, just in case the Windows update might benefit them too, or maybe do nothing. In any case, to at least make sure it does not hurt their performance.
@@yancgc5098 Doesn't seem as much. Only one game Steve tested showed any improvement on Intel and it seemed to be an outlier. For ArrowLake's sake, I hope they get something...
@@marcogoncalves1073 If memory serves, Steve said that nobody plays this game, and it became a meme that party animals is a very important benchmarking title due to popular demand.
The game was included in the AMD slide for the then upcoming Ryzen 7 5800XT to show that the CPU was faster than the 13600KF. Steve made fun of the title's inclusion for how odd it was, and for the fact that he had to buy it to test performance with the 5800X. But apparently, it wasn't a total waste, because his daughter found it fun.
To be fair, the improvement steps from Z3 through Z5 have sometimes been underwhelming. Adding this Windows fix on after the fact just retroactively makes the generational gains meet my (admittedly high) expectations. I have a 7800X3D, and zero regrets.
coz w11 is super broken, HW unboxed already did a video few months ago comparing w10 vs w11 gaming performance and saw almost 10% worse performance on w11, maybe they are finally fixing it now
@@v000000000000v Not true, they did another like 2 weeks ago, and both windows 10 and windows 11 perform very similarly, it is slightly better on windows 10 though, like 1% better on average.
@@DesocupadoXtremo when "DXVK + proton" on Linux sonetimes has better performance than native DX and native execution, you know Windows is a mess 💀 I mean, "translation layer -> application -> translation layer -> API" works faster than just "application -> API"
I love that you are willing to do the extensive work to really show how accurate your initial testing was. You've been saying this in videos and the podcast for weeks. And you still went to the trouble to actually do the work that's awesome
@@Six_Gorillion Yes, we are entering the operational space of guesswork, speculation and wearing tinfoil hats. Should Intel have faltered financially for Microsoft to finally stop looking there and decide to bet on AMD? Scandals, intrigues, investigations, reptilians and little green men. Or just a poorly done job.
@@Six_Gorillion Saying the code was 'sabotaging' Ryzen is so absurd. lol AMD would have been screaming about such a thing from the rooftops if at all true, come the fuck on. Something like this would have been a collaboration with AMD, not MS just secretly being Intel fanboys, ffs. And it's hardly surprising as it's only been in recent years that AMD has gained significant marketshare for Windows users.
@@maynardburger Intel has been paying OEMs for years to exclude AMD cpus. There were lawsuits. No reason to assume they're not paying MS to "neglect" AMD hardware optimizations. We have proof to assume this is likely, more than we have proof to assume this is not. By the way, AMD has been complaining about windows underutilization of AMD branch prediction in windows cpu scheduling code for years. So your comment is nonsense 100%
I'm honestly surprised no one has unmasked who it is that runs it. If that ever happens they'll probably be run off the internet :P And rightly so. Good riddance it would be.
I like how they're making the UI more and more like a phone. Its great you cant open multiple windows in things anymore, like settings. They should change the os's name to: Window
and packing the system with spyware. I want a OS with as light as possible resource burden. Maybe I need to go linex but it seems like so much work to get it set up and keep it updated and compatibility is not great.
The idea that Zen 4, and possibly Zen 3, have had a free 10% performance lying around because Microsoft hasn't been optimizing for Ryzen is wild. Keep cracking this nut, Steve. Thanks for your tireless service.
Just tested this, absolutely no gains compared to a Windows 10 IoT LTSC with ReviOS playbook applied on it. I guess this was a problem for those that use vanilla Windows 11. I already knew it heavily hinders your hardware´s performance, no news here. No one should use that operating system.
It's wild and yet it isn't; Intel and Microsoft have been in bed together for, well, ever. AMD has always been the red-headed stepchild or blacksheep or whatever politically-incorrect analogy you prefer here.
@GeorgeCardoso-mh2ei "No one" "always" "never"... the fastest way to turn off a critically-thinking person is to use absolutes. Try again. That said, insider builds introduce even more variables and basically can't be used for formal validation and benchmarks. Hey, sorry though boss, most people can't get legal Windows 10 Iot LTSC licensing, so Windows 10 IS dead as of October 14th 2025, like it or not. Switch to Linux if Windows 11 sucks that much, I mean c'mon.
@@DeltaSierra426 I will not waste time debating with someone that just talked about "legal windows 10 iot ltsc licensing". Something that takes typing 3 words on powershell. "C´mon"
I would want a non 5000 cpu as well. If branch prediction misses due to the optimization by intel a few years ago basically nerfed zen, x3d might not be as important anymore.
That's what makes it so weird. Like what happened here? AMD said that the previous test were more or less what they got internally so they must've been happy enough with those numbers. Then they get flamed and all of the sudden windows has an update that allows them much much better performance. It's just super odd.
Probably just never had a need to check, amd and windows both thought performance was in line with expectations and so thought nothing was wrong, they only found out something was wrong when the new cpus released and that's when they checked
Rather than saying this is giving a boost to AMD owners, it might be more accurate to say it is relieving a penalty they've been paying this whole time.
You buy products based on their performance, that's why you watch this channel, to get accurate information on performance. If you bought Zen 4 or 5 making assumptions that there's hidden performance locked behind an OS update two years in the future, then you can make the same wild prediction for Intel chips, Nostrodamus.
@@MisterFoxton I completely understand your point, but I personally think Rav is right. Intel got their windows optimization for their funky cores pretty much immediately with alder lake and windows 11. Admittedly based on nothing but my feelings, it seems microsoft finally leveled the field for AMD all these years later.
@@sultanofsicklol you're implying AMD has knowingly held back performance when they've been neck and neck against a historically much more powerful competitor... You realize how stupid that sounds right?
You dont know, maby they will be less impressive now as the new instrructions/preductions make cache less important. We will have to wait and see. seeing some of the gains where in games where X3d was adding a lot it may now be adding near nothing over regular chips in some games. Worst case X3D was only working around the MS issues and will now lose their benefit.
@@mariuspuiu9555 Yeah, 24H2 is only coming to Windows 11, so there's no chance Windows 10 users will get these performance gains. This will make testing more tedious because reviewers will now be forced to test both Win 10 22H2 and Win 11 24H2.
@@beaten_tech many people run it but W10 is soon getting out of the support window and people will be upgrading soon after. I remember the same situation happening with W10 vs W7.
imagine that.. with intels track record this stuff seems all a bit to suspiciois to me. Intel back to their old shinanigans again? Would not be surprised personally.
@@johnt.848Raptor Lake beat Zen 4 in gaming in reviews before X3D launched. The fastest gaming builds used Intel because Intel was the best. If Zen 4 had this windows build, AMD would have been the best before X3D. That means all Raptor Lake could offer is more multi-threading per dollar on their CPUs below the i9. Instead of seeing many 13900K builds among the most hardcore of gamers in 2022-2023 we would see 7700X builds. Raptor Lake was actually fairly well respected before the instability was demonstrated, and this OS build in 2022 would really tear into that.
These are insane gains to see from an OS update. Makes me wonder why it took almost 2 years to realize these gains on Zen 4. I wonder how the update affects the 7800x3D?
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm um... The Xbox Consoles are all powered by AMD... They dont need these upticks in an intel equipped business office and pretty sure Azure uses EPYC processing. Try again.
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm Stop chatting nonsense man. The consoles are all powered by AMD, why would Microsoft purposefully sabotage it's own gaming consoles? It's highly likely that Microsoft were aware of this for some time but coding for an operating system is an incredibly complex thing so it takes a lot of time to fix an issue like this without seriously messing up the entire code base.
Zen 3 also affected Steve says. Starting to look like microsoft has been deliberately sabotaging zen performance. What could be the reason for this...?
i did a quick test on my 5900x. 23h2 almost clean install (1 week to use) FF14 benchmark 25530 points. 24h2 preview, same benchmark with same settings with same chipset and graphics drivers give me 27774 so almost 10% on zen3 on that benchmark.
This is incredible. Imagine the performance gains we'd have if Microsoft was concentrated on performance and not forcing ads into their operating system.
fun fact is now your Windows knows which keywords to use for next round of ads, suggested whatever and add it to Google Sensacles (Sense Tentacles)... I guess even Ali X press is now updated and wanting you to buy some amazing microsoft concentrated perfromance power adaptor system compatible with your operating windows...
Windows is a steaming pile of dead code for the most part. I reckon you could remove, cut and optimize so much from it without losing actual functionality. The gains would be close to immeasurable :D
pretty silly comment both CPU's benefit or loose based on their own use and testing of provided windows environments. Both are partners and have the ability to give input and feedback prior to release. Windows didn't make this update for AMD specifically, it benefits the software they make and sell across a broad range of hardware and software and optimizes and adds security features (this doesn't change for updates). Nothing stops AMD or Intel from improving their own products in windows they just have to pay their staff to do so not expect another company to do it for them. As if they can't test this and tell us the data for it verbatim. Zero reason for the subterfuge. It all came down to AMD fixing its own issue within windows, not windows fixing anything they did.
HOLY COW. This might be the biggest shift in CPU benchmarking I remember and it will probably change the conclusions of a lot of news outlets in the coming months. There definitely should be an incentive for everyone to retest their numbers once the new Intel CPUs are released.
I seem to remember some shenanigans with Windows 7 to Windows 8 regarding gaming performance. I specifically remember upgrading Windows for a slight performance boost in Battlefield 4. If you search the topic, you'll find articles and reddit posts about it.
This *is* a big deal, but I think the 5800X3D was still bigger. (Which, of course, means that if this also improves the X3D parts a good bit, the stacking effect will apply to how awesome it is.)
I am, I just upgraded to 7800X3D from 5800X because the performance was really bad in a few titles that saw massive gains here. I may not have even needed to upgrade yet.
this is not new, in 2021 amd had problem with windows 11 update, than after try to fix but until today is not okay Microsoft KB5006746. Some issue with CPPC, UEFI CPPC2
Imagine intel seeing this lol, they are about to release their new cpus and AMD just upgraded everyone to a basically new cpu generation for free, Amd basically just added 2 generations of fps improvments in the same year
Microsoft Employee 5 years ago: "sir, I have to optimize the code for Windows in relation to the new Zen processors." Microsoft Boss: "Scratch that -Simmons- Surkesh, we're adding a gazillion ads, OneDrive and AI into every single corner of the OS. Your schedule is FULL for the foreseeable future!"
@@shansen008same here. I'm so frustrated with windows 11 with their AI and app suggestions popping up on start menu. I disabled copilot and switched to firefox browser. I'm stuck with windows coz the softwares I use for work can't run on Linux.
Did you make sure Memory Integrity was enabled after the update if you did a fresh install? Doing a fresh install of Windows 11 disables this by default, which will also increase performance.
Makes it even crazier that they didn't just delay everything until september and launch alongside the X870 motherboards, I guess they prefer terrible PR for a month.
I can't remember anything like this over the past thirty years. I've seen things go from completely broken to working, I've seen decent but minor performance gains, but not in some cases an entire hardware generation's worth of performance on something that already seemed to be working well. Don't blame you for doubting your results, it's making my spidey senses tingle as well.
Be warned: if you update to 24H2 and you're using BBR/BBR2 as TCP congestion, Steam will open but no longer display anything, the icon will just sit there on your taskbar and will eventually gives a Steamwebhelper error. To fix this, you'll have to switch to CUBIC or CTCP with the following command "netsh int tcp set supplemental Internet CongestionProvider=CUBIC" (or CTCP) as there is some kind of compatibility issue with 24H2/BBR/Steamwebhelper.
AMD owes you guys a beer. Your analysis of Zen 5 opened the flood gates. To imagine that AMD Zen 4 and perhaps Zen 3 processors had this much performance being hindered by Windows and AMD did not seem to be aware of it, is mind boggling.
how would AMD not be aware of it. they sell a ton of CPU's to microsoft.. they not going to throw them under the bus ..they did it in the most slick way they could
@@PopePlatinumBeats More like shot themselves in the foot. How they didn't just choose to delay Zen 5 til this update is beyond me. They're just so terrible at actually releasing products. I also have no idea how this is throwing MS under the bus. :/ Seems like they simply worked together to produce a system level performance improvement.
Yeah this update does warrant further testing of the older Zen generations to see if it also improves those skus around the 3600/5600/3700/5700. Maybe even zen 1/1.5 got boosts.
What a load of crap. Everyone who tested on Linux already knew the issue was windows before any reviews were out. Hardware unboxed are just as at fault as everyone else who just released a non scientific review.
@@maynardburger This isn't just some driver that can be installed whenever AMD says it's ready. This is a kernel change. While I'm sure that AMD has engineers working inside MS to get Windows to work well on their chips, Windows is not an AMD product. AMD does not get to decide which updates and changes can be shipped in Windows. And performance is not the feature Microsoft sells Windows on, it's software compatibility and user familiarity. And this video only tested gaming, we don't know yet if it is an across the board performance lift or just patters specific to gaming. Microsoft cares about gaming and performance, but they're not the highest priorities. So it's definitely fair to criticize for this update taking so long when Zen 3 came out nearly 4 years ago. But it's not fair to put all the blame on AMD.
Sadly this has bin the case for a long time, maby almost 20 years. Sad fact is that optimization for a broag range of systems cost to much. Its why apple did so good for so long. very few options hardware wise. we would be better off with less hardware choices when it comes to software tweaking.
Sorry, but this is pure compiler work. I'm a software developer, and I can make Intel or AMD win solely by choosing the right compiler flags. If the project specification says there can be no selective branching, dependent on CPU vendor, then you just have to do your best to find the middle ground. If Microsoft has FINALLY ditched that (stupid) approach and started baking in custom code-paths for Intel and AMD respectively, then we will get the mots of each architecture.... at the expense of larger storage requirements. People like to lump in compiler optimization with "software optimization" as a whole, but it's an oversimplified approach that leads everyone to the wrong conclusions. Actual software optimization is labor intensive as fuck and require the average level of education to be higher across the entire team. Compiler optimizations, however, are a bit of a magic bullet in the sense that even stupid programmers benefit from a wicket smart compiler that can dance around their nonsense. But compiler optimizations are typically very architecture dependent...
Thank you. The content of your videos is good. Good to see there are less adverts interrupting this video, it is the reason why I don't watch this channel much. If you have a store you should plug that instead of bombarding your viewers with so many adverts.
7950x3d , tried it with 3 OS reinstallation. lost performance in all 3. cbpunk2077 was averaging 1080p ultra no rt 260fps, with 24h2 only around 230 240 fps. i guess i scheduler is still not optimized the new new windows build.
i even tried simulating 7800x3d performance by disabling ccd1. no changes. for example, HUB stated that 7700x - 9700x were runing 180 fps (wh23h2) then 250 fps (wh24h2) in gears 1080p ultra. my 7950x3d and simulated 7800x3d were already running around 260fps (wh23h2) and around 262 (w24h2). i cant say that is an improvement, it maybe due to run to run variance or maybe the 4090 is bottlenecked at around 260fps.
@@bombazeer6163The 7950X3D will be using the Gamebar lasso-ing scheduler, which basically is only used for E-Cores otherwise. I would expect that the standard scheduler in the Insider Preview is updated, but the Gamebar one isn't, as the Gamebar one is a modification of the original and it wouldn't make sense to beta both at the same time.
4/2023 7800X3D is going to age like fine wine. PBO, SMT off in some titles, and now Windows updates to improve over vanilla performance. Oh wait, that was Zen5 marketing strategy. 🤪
@@aberkaefunny enough. When the 7800x3d got released people said it was bad and the 5800x3d still makes more sense. Now they are praising it like god’s gift to mortals
@dogdie147 5800X3D and more so 5700x3d makes the most sense for am4 consumers who have yet to upgrade. For everyone else the 7800X3D is the best for gaming since 4/23 and probably till 4/25.
3 possible outcomes in my opinion. 1. the gains will be deminished as this fixes make the cache less important as windows now deals with it better. 2. we will see the same uplift for X3D. 3. we will see a uplift in less titles based on engine and fps of the game.
Thanks Steve for continually pumping out videos about the new 9000 series drama. It’s nice to have continual updates that can tackle each problem head on and give us the real answers here.
I just installed this on my 7800X3D system that has an RTX 4080 and 32GB ram on a 360hz OLED. Finally I can play The Finals and get consistant 99% GPU usage, it made a HUGE difference. Before on 23H2 I was getting 85-95% usage and thought maybe 7800x3D was holding it back, nope! Feels like I just upgraded to a 9800X3D :D I am playing on competitive settings and this made an enormous difference.
23H2 just had an update that adds the performance fix and in some cases actually performs better than the 24H2 update. Also, make sure Memory Integrity is ON. Doing a fresh install disables it by default, and having it off inflates performance gains.
It would be absolutely diabolical knowing my 7800x3d is now 16% faster than a 14900k rather than 6% 🤣 I would hope for such improvement but sounds too good to be true.
Could we have a similar video for the 5000 series please? There are so many users still on AM4 that it would be really interesting knowing if this update has such as noticable impact in games as well for regular CPUs and their X3D counterparts.
I'm no defender of MS but, you know, Windows has to support countless CPUs and other hardware. Optimizing Windows for each and every one of them seems something that might just be out of reach. Imo, it's just MS being very slow with updating Windows with new optimizations for CPUs, probably paid for AMD and Intel. And they also have to keep compatibility just right for all the CPUs before as well...
@@Lebon19 Same as Linux... no even WORSE as Linux kernel support even more CPUs without any of the drawbacks that windows has. Windows was ALWAYS crap, from win95 to win2k to today. It always was behind the curve compared to the Linux kernel. I know because I worked with ALL of them since the 90s and something that was working easily on Linux was always a hassle to get it work with similiar performance on Windows.
@@Lebon19 I am pretty sure this is AMD issue because they most likely provides code to MS for scheduler. It is not the first time they are slow, it happens with like every major release. If there are smart people in AMD's software team (probably many), it still does not count if they can't stop things like anti-lag+ or initial storeMI to get released.
I don't wanna get into a whole argument here, but this is down to compiler op-code scheduling. There is a certain amount of "tweakability" in how you do that, and it's been known for ages that Intel's own compiler (ICC) completely favors Intel (obviously!) and that Microsoft's Visual Studio compiler suite favors Intel a good deal, but not revoltingly so. The GNU compiler collection (GCC) is pretty well balanced. I don't think Microsoft changed a whole lot of code for this update. I think they just tweaked their compiler to actually take advantage of Ryzens generally larger caches, pre-fetch patterns and speculative branching.
Yeah, of the part was good enough to buy at the time when you bought it, surprise performance improvement is nothing but gravy. However, I think I see what OP means in that it's arguable this was basically a bug and this performance should have been available at release. Either way, I think my first point is the more appropriate way to look at things given the CPUs were already the value buy
@@adr2t Fine Wine is AMD writing better drivers for their graphics cards. AMD did nothing here. This is Microsoft fixing a bug or limitation in the windows scheduler or kernel which appears to have existed for over 4 years (as Zen 3 also gets a performance boost) and noone noticed until recently, so if anything AMD failed to notice for 4 years.
I feel like I’ve been watching your channel forever, and used to read you reviews back in the day. Even though I only buy components once every 5 years or so, I always love catching you explain what’s going on with the current hardware
I think the real story here is that 9700x is now twice as good as before when compared to 7700x moving from 1% on avg to 2% on avg. Amd fans everywhere rejoice!
Holy crap this is a generational improvement. The release version of the 24H2 could be even better. It is really interesting to see how much AMD CPUs are held back by Windows. 7800X3D will be something like %15 faster than 14900K.
@@benedict9016 Untrue, not only does the video show the 14600k got some boosts as well, Intel's APO drivers can boost performance in supported games by 15-30%.
@@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 how does the video show this? Out of the 4 games only gears 5 shows improvement for intel? I cant speak about Intels APO drivers so you may very well be correct.
It... was pretty insulting... and HUB being one of the bigger channels, they were definitely in the subset of Reviewers the blog post was talking smack about.
Wild. I can’t even begin to imagine the rabbit hole this will lead you guys down. If this is going to impact all Zen processors it could potentially make older processors even more compelling than they already were.
As a coder, I'm glad people realize that software code optimization (compiler optimization) to utilize all the features of the hardware can have a huge effect.
Do you believe is from the compiler? Sometimes thread scheduling can make a better work, probably Microsoft introduced a new algorithm specifically for the Ryzen, it can be many things, just curious to know if Intel cpu have faster performance.
Tell us more about how the current gen consoles aren't actually aging that poorly but rather a horrible business environment for Triple A development cycles.
The fact that even a highly NERFED ryzen due to windows being crap, was still highly competitive to Intel and winning with the X3D chips, and now probably just flat out winning with even the non X3D Vcache chips, is really incredible. Intel was losing to three generations of Nerfed Ryzen. We have to see the 7800X3D vs 14900K vs 7950X again
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