AMD's Vega: Devil's Advocate

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AMD's Vega is still a relative mystery. But I'm using the same information as everybody else is to try and look at a worst-case scenario for the product, to counter out everybody else being so damn optimistic.
0:31 - Comparisons between Vega and Polaris preview
1:30 - AMD's upcoming CPUs look a lot more promising!
2:11 - AMD falling behind with GPUs
2:58 - Welcome to Vega
3:48 - The AMD fanboy echo chamber
4:26 - Geforce 1080: The competition
4:54 - Critical analysis of Vega previews
5:23 - Finewine Technology: The catch-all excuse for poor performance from early drivers
7:12 - Temperatures and power draw
8:04 - My predictions on Vega's future and competition
8:57 - Conclusion
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@devindykstra 7 лет назад

I'm sitting here re watching this video right before launch and wow, he was amazingly acrurate, especially for being 6 months early

@siliusblack2836 7 лет назад

Devin Dykstra And he was right.

@vyor8837 6 лет назад

navi won't be a die shrunk vega, it'll be new. Based on Vega certainly, but not the same.

@chaosy169 7 лет назад

You are now banned from r/AyyMD

@bilboswaggins8481 7 лет назад

Chaosy only further proofs what he is saying.

@attomicchicken 7 лет назад

that thread gave me cancer. What a headache

@MeatNinja 7 лет назад

I'm still very satisfied with my 780, lol.

@nussymussy 7 лет назад

I still use a 670 and no problems

@thecolourred6857 7 лет назад

MeatNinja I agree my 1070 still doing well expect I feel it will snap my motherboard any day.

@smollbb 7 лет назад

>1070 >"still doing" gtfo

@CharcharoExplorer 7 лет назад

What sucks is that the 280X (an inferior GPU) seems to reach the 780 these days. I am not happy with the 760.

@VolokArtyom 7 лет назад

I still haven't felt the need to upgrade my HD7950, i'm waiting for it to die but it's taking a long time.

@TheAmazingLPs 7 лет назад

I disagree with your diagnosis of r/AMD, the general consensus is to wait for benchmarks.

@notmyname5449 7 лет назад

+Emperor Scumbag VII While massively upvoting every piece of positive speculation about Vega and ignoring counter points. The quality of the content that often makes the frontpage is absolute rubbish as a result.

@sANDEKERU 7 лет назад

Truth. More baseless speculation as we simply cannot know how far along the drivers are and how they're utilizing the new features of the architecture.

@TheAmazingLPs 7 лет назад

This video is on the front page of r/AMD as we speak, idiot.

@bongwaterbaptist 7 лет назад

lmao reddit

@xMaverickFPS 7 лет назад

no... Reddit loves to hype shit up without any source for their claims... take No Man's Sky for instance...

@Angry_Bean 7 лет назад

When AMD "fanboys" got mad at AdoreTV it was because he likes to speculate too much with little to no information. During Polaris he was one of the many cause of the "RX 480 is going to be faster than 980ti just for $200" hype train. This time around he is speculating on Vega like you are with "OMFG VEGA IS A DISAPPOINTMENT". In reality there is little information on what Vega's performance other than an unfinished product with zero optimization work on it is able to run over 60FPS on 4K with Fiji drivers with a debugging layer. If it was running the current Relive drivers and had the same performance we saw on the video then yes, I would understand some inpatient people freaking out over the potential low performance. TL;DR People need to stop speculating and wait for benchmarks.

@cryohellinc 7 лет назад

thank you for a non biased video.

@DrdrGames 7 лет назад

All I want from Vega is a GPU comparable to the 1070. Preferably slightly cheaper and slightly more powerful. If they don't have a card like this by December of this year, I'm getting a 1070.

@DrdrGames 7 лет назад

***** I simply plan on getting the best GPU on the market in the $350-450 price range by December 2017. If that's an 1170 then so be it.

@dragonfyzex1546 7 лет назад

Mike-Tysons Lisp it's 2070

@christophegroulx8187 6 лет назад

So what did you got

@elijahmartin5291 6 лет назад

You pick up that 1070? Or you try to find a deal on a 1080 for 500$? (If I were you I'd save for the extra 50$ & get the 1080)

@Elric_ 7 лет назад

I'm very happy with my AMD R7 250

@edd7385 7 лет назад

lmao this is laughable

@carldabomb2271 7 лет назад

How is that laughable? A R7 250, while not being top of the line is still capable of playing any game and most AAA games at medium settings. If he mostly plays less demanding games there is nothing "laughable" about being happy with a 250

@edd7385 7 лет назад

yes. Very low-medium settings, sub 720p and 20-45 fps on new AAA games like battlefield 1. My question is how the fuck he managed to go buy one instead of a perfectly acceptable r7 260x wich was 20-35$ more at the time ? WIth second hand pc parts and even new ones being so cheap, it absolutely blows my mind to see people running such half assed low quality shit like this. Don't give me the ''but not everyone can afford a 1080blablabla bullshit'' Look up on how much a gtx 760 are now, RX 470, gtx 1050ti. When having a playstation 4 or an xbox one gives you a better experience than your pc, you should seriously consider upgrading.

@Elric_ 7 лет назад

Bagool I was in need of a cheap gpu. Calm yourself. I'll upgrade within the next few months. It works great for 900p gaming.

@edd7385 7 лет назад

the fuck you telling me to calm down for lmao. Im laughing my ass off reading dumbasses that purchase such low quality gpu's like gt 740 or r7 240 and telling everyone in the comments that they are happy with it. Again, read what I said. Maybe we don't have the same definition of cheap, but for me, its a 150$ card that will give you a more than acceptable gaming experience.

@ganjoog4493 7 лет назад

This is the realest video I've seen in a long time. I don't prefere AMD nor Nvidia I just buy the best product that is worth the money it's selling for.

@smitias_8474 7 лет назад

I personally glad that AMD finally putting out more or less power efficient CPUs and GPUs, as someone working on small sized build, I'm happy to have some options at last

@QuatreFun 7 лет назад

AMD has Vega Doom has Vega What does it all mean?

@stiepanholkien605 7 лет назад

Aaayyymd

@neonkapawn 7 лет назад

Finewine

@regenen 7 лет назад

ayy

@regenen 7 лет назад

lmao

@regenen 7 лет назад

ati

@regenen 7 лет назад

good automod

@SpinalRampage 7 лет назад

Shout out to anyone else who got the reference at the end

@MisterTrotts 7 лет назад

wait, you actually blame AMD for Nvidia price gouging us? thats smart.

@tiiBBzi 7 лет назад

ikr even back in the day when AMD had a huge arch and node lead over Nvidia, Nvidia was *still* charging 50% more than AMD for the same performance... and people *STILL* bought nvidias garbage. Nvidia fanboys really are shockingly mindless.

@irou95 7 лет назад

I live in finland and my house is very cold in the winter. The electricity bill is always the same and included in the rent. so I bought amd fx-9590 (without liquid cooling) and r9 290x. SO WARM

@yourcurtainsareugly 7 лет назад

*500 mm square!?!* (7:31) Bloody hell! That's a huge die! Certainly the largest I've heard of by maybe an order of magnitude!

@Manhunternew 7 лет назад

yourcurtainsareugly the 2 lower parts are the HBM

@yourcurtainsareugly 7 лет назад

That's still larger than my motherboard. And I have an ATX.

@yosyp5905 7 лет назад

damn, you must play on a cellphone then

@markusknutsen8266 7 лет назад

LMAO half a meter

@tolbryntheix4135 7 лет назад

The fury and the gp 100 chip have a roughly 600 mm squared chip for example, altough you cant really go even larger than that. 500 mm square also doesnt include the two hbm stacks.(the titan x pascal is 471 mm squared for comparison)

@jbazzrea007 7 лет назад

As I said in the thread about AdoredTVs video: His video was based on engineering sample silicon, running through an abstraction layer over drivers from last generation, and comparing a game which has been optimized by the developer for the 1080, and most notably not optimized yet for the Vega ES. He then proceeded to take incomplete information and declare the card DOA. Trying to speculate anything at this point is a fool's errand, and trying to justify bad speculation or good speculation is no different. Wait for the benchmarks.

@NonsensGaming 7 лет назад

1:20 60 FPS in battlefront 2 lmao Release date(s) EU: October 31, 2005 just took us 12 years

@LockieNZ 7 лет назад

I bought a GTX1080 for this reason. I always felt that Buying an AMD card was just playing catch up. So, I opted for the 1080 when they came out. I paid through the nose, but this is going to have a lot longer life span than the previous midrange AMD cards I was buying. This decision wasn't made lightly either. I had been a huge ATI/AMD fan since my last nVidia card, the TNT.

@Crydus 7 лет назад

I just hope that the vega cards are at least on the same level as the 1080, because I plan to upgrade the graphic card together with my monitor and I really don't want to spend that extra money for g-synch :D

@rustam11albinsky 7 лет назад

I'm more about the Zen cpu. I always thought Vega is going to be a better 1080, but not really a step up. Also, we have more than 6 months until Vega and I'm pretty sure Nvidia didn't show all their cards yet (because why would they? They're at the top). Let's hope when Vega is released, it'll be much better than what we see now, they have 6 months.

@ToriRocksAmos 7 лет назад

7:00 ish you don't have to be an AMD fanboy to wait for VEGA :P Maybe you're just more price conscious or you own freesync monitors (like I do). Very nice summary btw.

@XGeohound 7 лет назад

Finewine is something that goes with the lack of money, great hardware is something one can see and hold in their hand, drivers and patches are much more difficult to sell to investors. I am certain that if Vega is a success, that AMD will be able to squeeze the perfomance out of their cards from the beginning on. AMD is an underdog at the moment, that makes them so likeable.

@XGeohound 7 лет назад

And some hype certainly also comes from Nvidia wanting to licence amd technology. Plus, in APUs AMD has always been much better than Intel.

@Rattacko 7 лет назад

What about the Redwine in the vega drum trailer thingy, AMD is aware

@MrZigger 7 лет назад

that video comes in a perfect time lol, im just about to buy an MSI Nvidia GTX 1070

@acleverhobo3376 7 лет назад

So I'm planning on upgrading my Sapphire R9 380 4gb. Should I wait for Vega, or would getting a Fury X be ok for the next couple years?

@saenes6295 7 лет назад

I am still using my 5830 hd for about 6.5 years now, I can still play almost everything! :D (Except Doom)

@yosyp5905 7 лет назад

The thing is that people always look for absolute performance and *never* devides them by price. It is freaking logic if a 800€ GPU does better than a 200€ one.

@riveraluciano 7 лет назад

A year behind? They've been doing nothing but rehashes of previous chipsets, the only advantages you'll see in a new AMD GPU is in the latest model, and it usually still doesn't surpass NVIDIA (not in power efficiency, not in temperatures, and most certainly not in overall performance). What AMD IS good at is providing hardware that lasts a few generations, much like Nvidia's GTX9800+ back then, some of AMD's cards are still rocking and can handle medium/high settings at 50+ FPS. Driver issues have not been an issue in a few years now, and if Vulkan becomes widespread, and FIJI does work as intended, then AMD could easily get themselves a bigger part of the market (those that don't upgrade every year, like myself).

@TechnoBabble 7 лет назад

Are you implying that NVIDIA cards just stop being able to play new games after a a few generations? I'm still using a GTX 660 and am just now contemplating an upgrade because I want better CUDA acceleration in my rendering, I don't even really care much about the gaming performance, because I can still run just about anything I want anywhere from medium-max settings (depending on the game) at 1080p.

@riveraluciano 7 лет назад

Sorry, no, I'm not implying that, however the price of the AMD GPUs paired up with their ability to test time just like a good NVIDIA GPU (though we have to admit that Nvidia is more expensive) make them a lot more attractive to users who are not necessarily looking for the latest and greatest out there. Pretty much all "flagship" GPUs can stand the test of time unless there are a huge number of technological improvements that are adopted by the industry, however the competitive price of AMD is a lot more alluring than Nvidia for that matter. Still, I'd probably go green next time I upgrade.

@CrispyChicken44 7 лет назад

Here I am with a GTX 700 still. I remember using a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro back in the day. Ahhh.

@Halefall 7 лет назад

Ah, the famed Polygon strategy, what a good way to end a video.

@krom6017 7 лет назад

Great video, I truly hate how gamers treat each other so evil over videos cards.

@JohnDuthie 7 лет назад

I look at finewine more in the sense of developer's continually building games with an optimization path for GCN architecture. I assume this because GCN is in both Xbox and PS4. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't look at it like "oh they were shit on release and now we have substantially better performance in old games that performed poorly on launch".

@denverbasshead 7 лет назад

they said that the 1080 was overclocked a lot and the AMD card was using old drivers and a debugger and still crushing

@thraciantendency1255 7 лет назад

I will almost certainly be buying a Ryzen cause I care about i5 performance. Not so sure about VEGA. I am in the market for a 1070 tier GPU, but if VEGA is going to be large and not fit in an itx case, then I'll probably go for a 1070 when the prices drop due to VEGA releasing.

@AvroBellow 7 лет назад

If they are that far behind, how has it not occurred to you that they were obviously focusing all of their resources on making Ryzen what it is at the cost of Radeon? This is clearly what has happened. Ryzen was the most important thing that AMD has released since the Phenom II and they put everything they had into it. It appears that the Radeon side of things got a bit neglected but fear not because now that AMD will have some real money and the Zen core architecture is in place, they can put money towards more R&D for the Radeon side.

@stefanejegod8644 7 лет назад

Personally I'm tired of being told to "Wait for Ryzen" and "Wait for Vega".

@Ulysse333 7 лет назад

How can I translate your video Philip ?

@MattTheriot 7 лет назад

If the Vega demo really is 10% faster than a 1080 on Vega, then Vega will certainly not be topping the 1080 or 1080 TI. We've seen a million times, that Doom with Vulkan runs way better on AMD than NVidia, by much more than 10%. That being said, if it is priced at say $300-$400 and out performs the 1070 it will be a good release.

@adoredtv 7 лет назад

Cheers for the mention bud. ;) Have to agree on some of the AMD fanboys, they are on a whole other level of denial.

@mattynotfatty 7 лет назад

AdoredTV Trust me Nvidia ones can be way worse, one said the 1050 ti was better than the RX 480

@xMaverickFPS 7 лет назад

you should do a face reveal at 250k subs Kappa

@peentgamer 7 лет назад

Again? His face is on the thumbnail and he's shown it before in full videos

@xMaverickFPS 7 лет назад

i love it when people don't understand what "Kappa" means...

@peentgamer 7 лет назад

yurtpoh what

@RIK3RYT 7 лет назад

You're fuckin stupid. It's a joke.

@peentgamer 7 лет назад

Riker I'm not laughing. I'm just confused.

@beastreef2 7 лет назад

Zen is what matters here

@SlenderCamGaming 7 лет назад

feer2002 No, it doesn't...

@beastreef2 7 лет назад

SlenderCam Gaming to me that's what matters. In need of a cpu upgrade

@bilboswaggins8481 7 лет назад

feer2002 I just got an i7 7700k, played it safe.

@theendurance 7 лет назад

Yup, the Vega GPU will most likely get beaten by the 1080ti

@adamamer2795 7 лет назад

Mohammad 5566 by price?

@lokalkakan 7 лет назад

Remember when Nvidia leaked a graph that showed a 10% difference on a 50% scale. That's the kind of yellow statistics that I like to see

@Derively 7 лет назад

Well AMD isn't better at all. i.redd.it/yss3bmixpa3y.jpg Their 8% increase seems like a 150% increase.

@yosyp5905 7 лет назад

At least the percentage is on every column, not on the bottom on the graph in 8pt characters.

@CyboTyaS 7 лет назад

Don't worry, if they keep getting boosts with drivers, they might reach 150% of the original performance value, eventually lol.

@IndieLambda 7 лет назад

I wanted to buy the 1060, and saw the RX480, and saw vega reveal, and now, I'll wait for the vega cards, and pick the best performance price option.

@kasianvh 7 лет назад

quangluu96 the problem with the rx 480 is, is that it's becomming to fast for itself it comsumes too much power and heat and works less is cpu based games

@tiiBBzi 7 лет назад

Kasian Lmao such a typical bullshit comment from an nvidia fanboy, yeah man 95 watts is *OH SO MUCH POWER* and those 65c is *SO HOT* pfft piss off with your bullshit mate.

@kasianvh 7 лет назад

Old Mate my card stays at 45°c

@weedylock 7 лет назад

While on full load? perhaps in minesweeper lol

@andreioprea1813 7 лет назад

probably this guy hasn't seen xfx gtr 480 series ,which run at most 65c oced to 1400-1450:)

@Kswhajakky 7 лет назад

Why do people always hype so much for upcoming stuff? Nothing will change , Amd will probably still rule the low-mid-end market with better performance/$ GPUs and Nvidia will always be the choice for high-end and "enthusiastic" gaming

@robinbernardinis 7 лет назад

Andrei Serban Nah, AMD has always been completed with NVidia on the whole scale. Now that AMD has released the 4xx series it was aiming specifically at the lower end of the market because Vega wasn't ready yet, so they whipped up Polaris in order to keep the majority of the market happier.

@Kswhajakky 7 лет назад

Robin Bernardinis oh well, good luck to AMD. I hope they come up with an equaly powerfull GPU to the 1080ti or even the TitanXP although i highly doubt it

@robinbernardinis 7 лет назад

Andrei Serban At this point I doubt that it's as powerful as the Titan XP, but I think it will at least be in the same ballpark, hopefully at a very competitive price. Hopefully it will be closer than the Fury was to the 980 Ti.

@tarcal87 7 лет назад

"Nothing will change" says who, you? You do realize AMD had the top performance card some years ago, right? Things change all the time, it's extremely naive to just state things are not gonna change. Luckily engineers don't think like you do.

@Kswhajakky 7 лет назад

GaborBartal It would have to be Nvidia's mistake or the customers suddenly changeing their minds to see change . Remember - Money=Higher chance of increased development and considering AMD's market share i doubt we will see change in the near future. Yes maybe 5 years from now, but not with Vega. Enough speculation, we'll just see who's right

@lomk4424 7 лет назад

I feel the same as you can Phillip, I really want AMD to succeed, cause competition was always good for the consumers.

@macomputersuck 7 лет назад

10:07 Footage taken from Polygon's review of Doom

@somerandoasshatontheintern8337 7 лет назад

first thing that came to mind as well.

@ketrub 7 лет назад

there is even "in memory for Polygon" at 10:02

@halfofakebab1659 7 лет назад

Philip sounds slightly different than usual... New mic?

@vekinijebitno 7 лет назад

random comment to get philip's attention

@netook8 7 лет назад

What I've noticed about Nvidia Fanboys is that they would drive a piece of shit car and live in a slum just to get the biggest, baddest card. Heck they would go hungry to get those frames. Gamers should not have to do those things for reasonable performance.

@sslim29205 7 лет назад

LOL So Have I. They always talk about AMD is for poor people. I buy AMD and drive a S-class that's paid for. Most Nvidiots own a Ford escort.

@netook8 7 лет назад

a 1991 ford escort at that haha

@blackknight50277621 7 лет назад

now it's just sad almost a year later and AMD gives us a ~500mm2 gpu that might barely beat Nvidia's 300mm2 pascal, which is Maxwell in disguise

@anintelcorei7quad-coreproc873 7 лет назад

no one cares if you're early

@bruh2374 7 лет назад

an Intel Core i7 Quad-core Processor Hey, I got you for Christmas.

@rdablock 7 лет назад

are you sentient?

@frostcrackle2374 7 лет назад

i got one of you for christmas!

@AQDuck 7 лет назад

No, but a lot of people care if you're late. A week late? That's fine. A month late? Preferably not but ok. 9 months late? Aaaand that's a problem.

@liamhardman875 7 лет назад

"Veega" TRIGGERED

@casualtake1497 7 лет назад

amd used doom, nvidia used gameworks title, so...whats the differences ?

@dragonfyzex1546 7 лет назад

Said Alghifarix lol, just nvidia fanboys

@Only_Now_Matters 7 лет назад

Bought r9 290x windforce for like 120 quid preused year ago, plays everything ultra 1080p. 4k gaming is overrated anyway, i might try it out next decade :D:D

@Iksperial 7 лет назад

Came, disliked, left.

@danielbrown5504 7 лет назад

lmao

@dopestgamer5686 7 лет назад

Lit

@cavalier4789 7 лет назад

Learn from the best!

@CrypticBore 7 лет назад

roflmao

@monessalabras 7 лет назад

commented*

@DMCK2000 7 лет назад

Vega will be even better than what AMD showed us at CES, because those were Engineering Samples. Plus they were using modified Fiji Drivers. There is so much performance left that is not even funny.

@mikkoeskola461 7 лет назад

Well thats quite optimistic.

@DMCK2000 7 лет назад

Yes in some ways it is, but also realistic. Think about all of the optimizations that are being missed out due to the fact that is an engineering sample and is using modified Fiji drivers. Plus I forgot to mention that there are reports of a debugging layer being used during these demos. So for now we shouldn't judge the performance given to us since the whole setup was so unoptimized and unfinished. We should wait for the final product and the final drivers to see whether it can compete with the 1080ti/Titan XP, which I think it can.

@ultimatebada55 7 лет назад

EpicNice no it's quite realistic. That's like saying "you probably won't get hit by a bus tomorrow" in terms of probability.

@notmyname5449 7 лет назад

Davis McKinney From my experience I would expect no more than an additional 10% performance with launch drivers. Don't forget that some new features in Vega have to implemented by the game developers instead of AMD.

@vanguardas9927 7 лет назад

If it's slower than the 1080ti and Titan XP, then it has to be cheaper. If AMD prices it right, it will sell.

@Mikkel111 7 лет назад

Finewine won't do much in the Doom - Vulkan benchmark. Vulkan is an API which eliminates the need for a driver. Which is why AMD cards suddenly become faster. It's because they always made better cards for the same price, they just sucked at make drivers. - Vulkan shows the final result of "Finewine". Hence the top Vega card will probably be a bit slower than 1080... Sadly.

@weasle2904 7 лет назад

Mikkel A. G. Nielsen Did you just say that Vulkan doesn't need drivers..? smh. I could explain to why AMD cards actually get so much benefit from Vulkan if you like

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

Mikkel A. G. Nielsen wat

@Mikkel111 7 лет назад

Go on. I am all ears.

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

Mikkel A. G. Nielsen vulkan is an api, in the same way dx 12, dx 11 and opengl are. Compared to the two latter examples, vulkan givea much more unrestricted access to resources on the developer's part. But that does NOT mean drivers don't matter. Amd won't have to work as much to optimize vulkan titles for it's cards compared to dx11 because much more work is handed of to the devs, but without proper drivers, the card will still perform poorly.

@weasle2904 7 лет назад

Mikkel A. G. Nielsen Well it's due to how different Nvidia's and AMD's architectures are. AMD as it is in dx11 uses heavy parallelism, and thus requires of lot of data from the CPU. That's why you usually see Intel CPUs paired with more powerful AMD cards. Not just because AMD's current CPUs suck, but because their GPUs require a lot of horsepower. DX12/Vulkan eliminate a lot of this overhead, which is good. DX12/Vulkan also have better CPU utilization. Anyways. It's not just that AMD's cards distinctly take advantage of these APIs. It's primarily Nvidia's fault.. CUDA processes work loads serially (Which is old tech tbh), while AMD's works with parallelism. This caused Nvidia to take the cake in DX11 because their serial workload implementation was much better support for it. But that's not the case in DX12. There's also asynchronous compute, which Nvidia just DOESNT support very well at a hardware level, which is why they don't get much of an advantage in DX12. While AMD actually depends on this in some cases. I'd recommend looking up videos for better explanation

@o11o01 7 лет назад

Honestly I love Nvidia's gpus, but more than anything I hope radeon's new line of gpus gives Nvidia a run for their money.

@DJFraz 7 лет назад

AMD doesnt need to worry about Intel as they are doing a 2011 AMD. For e.g. FX 8350 vs 8370 reminds me of 6700k vs 7700k

@MrJinxmaster1 7 лет назад

I believe it's pronounced vay- ga. (vay is like gay but with V)

@andrewrobinson2985 7 лет назад

Yeah, after watching this video, I kept asking if I could eat meat and use this card at the same time. I now question amd on their stance with meats and dairies.

@roideus 7 лет назад

It's not. Véga.

@JoshuaBorrow 7 лет назад

It's named after the star, Alpha Lyrae, which is pronounced Vay-ga

@tiiBBzi 7 лет назад

Best English teacher ever.

@MrJinxmaster1 7 лет назад

Sorry for trying to stop him from making mistakes. Not trying to be mean just helpful.

@godyea6141 7 лет назад

The problem with AMD is the 12 years old and indian fanboys. Most people dont give a shit if their $400 GPU doesnt beat the $1500 nvidia's one.

@Tommy23r10 7 лет назад

"size isn't everything" Something i have to regularly remind the ladies in my life of. hahahaha priceless Phillip :D

@batt3ryac1d 7 лет назад

Hahahah Phil mocking polygon with that doom gameplay.

@francopellegrin4437 7 лет назад

Hey Plilip, I watched an entire 36 second ad for you. Enjoy that half penny of revenue.

@edups4501 7 лет назад

Is there any guide to understand the meaning of amd graphic cards names? its so confusing which is better which is new and which is just rebranding. Or is there a video just for this topic? thanks

@LanzFamily 7 лет назад

AMD since 200 series R9 > R7 > R5 R9 for High End cards like 390 or 290 or 280 R7 for Mid Range cards like 270 or 370 R5 for Low End cards like 250 or 340 R9 290X >R9 290 > R9 280X... R9/X 490 (Vega) > R9 390 > R9 290 AMD/ATI HD 7XXX > HD 6XXX > HD 5XXX HD 79XX > HD 78XX > HD 77XX HD 7990 > HD 7970 > HD 7950

@edups4501 7 лет назад

+Beatebrain oh dude thx if my parents did value me as much as you did i wouldnt be this suicidal

@registrado54 7 лет назад

iDubbbzTV ü lmao

@artisanmage5378 7 лет назад

he already has a video on it.

@tiiBBzi 7 лет назад

GCN 4.0 = RX 400 series RX = ? 4 = Core Generation (GCN 4.0) 8 = Tier (the higher mid range in this case) 0 = Revision (0 is no revision, 5 is revised) Vega will not come under the RX 400 series, Vega is GCN5.0 so it will come under the RX 500 series.

@T1bonkyou 7 лет назад

hello phillips investigate the jump sound glitch when you fall and get the sound where you take the fall damage but no damage could be seenp

@YellowDice 7 лет назад

amd is good but not good enough tbh, their only good part is that they price their products right, nvidia and intel overprice their shit

@Aelfraed26 7 лет назад

I'm expecting Nvidia to cut the price of the 1060, 1070 and 1080 GPUs before AMD releases Vega. It'll be the final nail in the coffin.

@memberberry530 7 лет назад

Nvidia is taking their time, while AMD is playing catch up like Thomas the tank engine, going off track to Zen.

@Somewhat_Unknown 6 месяцев назад

First comment in 5 years. Vega was kinda mid sadly. I couldn't even find a second handed one during the GPU price disaster. Getting this video recommended again took me back though, since this was around when I got into PC hardware.

@Xerun 7 лет назад

This video is DANK

@pable2 7 лет назад

ayy

@Xerun 7 лет назад

lmao goodautomod badautomod shitautomod

@MermaidTyrone 7 лет назад

AyyMD

@PineappleBaconPizza 7 лет назад

+Fakk Nvidia>>>AMD fuck them and their shitty performance cards

@pable2 7 лет назад

@johnpombrio 7 лет назад

Six months later the reviews are in for the Vega FE card. It is about as fast as a GTX 1080.

@rewmoo1805 7 лет назад

AND twice the price :o)

@Scrimix 7 лет назад

To me, all of this "analysis" doesnt matter. I guess, 90% of gamers have 1080p screens and for most games, you dont need gpu > rx480 / gtx 1060. Then why? Why we care so much about these fps numbers, high-end gpus and wanting for AMD to succeed. At the end of the day, i guess, we all want to have fun playing games and all of this just interrupt experience. To me, whats really important is that most new games suck and at best are technical improvements, not fun improvements.

@sims.3852 7 лет назад

But can it run crysis?

@InfiniteCS 7 лет назад

AMD is too late for me, I bought a 1070 and dumped my old 7800 series AMD card last September. Same with 3 of my other friends who switch to 1070's and 1060's respectively

@brunnen153 7 лет назад

Why 1060 though?

@InfiniteCS 7 лет назад

Sascha Brunner I didn't buy a 1060 but my friends did because at its price range is was far better than anything AMD had since Vega was and still isn't out, They wanted a new card and since AMD didn't have a new one yet they settled for a 1060

@brunnen153 7 лет назад

Sure, AMD has no comparable product to the 1070 right now, a few of my friends also upgraded to a 1070 recently. However the RX480 is a great alternative to the 1060, so it's not like AMD has nothing. The RX480 is mostly on par with the 1060 (faster in DX12 and Vulkan), has (up to) 8GB Framebuffer and, to be fair, uses a bit more power (Still a huge step up from earlier cards).

@InfiniteCS 7 лет назад

Sascha Brunner yea but since 1060 is so similar to the RX480 why would they go with the older AMD card over the newer 1060 when they are not to different in price ranging

@tiiBBzi 7 лет назад

Shark Man "the older AMD card over the newer 1060" are you serious? the 480 is only a month or so older than the 1060. Then consider the PS4 Pro has a RX 470 in it... Games are being optimized for it specifically, the RX 400 series will only keep getting faster and faster. Gotta love that AMD Finewine Tech!

@jayz2706 7 лет назад

AMD could be competitive if they stuck to lego blocks, then use those blocks to build a better architecture.

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

JayZ270 doesn't necessarily work that way. Scalable designs are great in some aspects, but poor choices in others

@Akash77133 7 лет назад

huh nothing is better than having an igpu intel HD rocks😎😎😎

@MisterTrotts 7 лет назад

Read AMD fanboy in your description, now I'm 100% certain you're shitting on Vega to shit on Vega. Well find out soon, buddy, and for all of our wallet's sake, lets hope I'm right and you're wrong, buddy.

@ВасянНирванов 7 лет назад

nvidia fanboy detected...

@radicamooselimb 7 лет назад

I mean I dont understand why anyone would be unhappy if Vega came out 100-200 dollars cheaper and about 10-20% faster than a GTX 1080. I own a Gtx 1080, And I would still be happy if the 580X or something was amazing, I would either buy one, or get a better priced gtx 1080ti or 1180 next year.

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

Radical Moose Limb i see what you are getting at. But if vega is ~70% larger, but only 10-20% faster, that objectively means amd has engineered a lesser card. Just like nvidia did with the gtx 280 vs hd 4870. Especially considering amd has the process node advantage

@CMstacker 7 лет назад

AMD *doesn`t* have a process node advantage. 14 nm over 16 nm makes no significant difference its just technical term, or even marketing one..... I wont get too technical also, but compared to Intel`s 14 nm process, which uses all elements in 14 nm size AMD`s (Globalfoundries fab) and Nvidia`s (TSMC fab) nodes seem more like Intel`s 20 nm in comparison. So they are inherently handicapped in the start and also both a step behind.... but fuck it, i hate Intel though there is no denying they have the best process and best fabs in the world. It was always like that. Even IBM can`t parry them anymore.

@omegalul9629 7 лет назад

+CMstacker it wasnt always like that and it might wont be anymore

@therealadaa9 7 лет назад

Radical Moose Limb that's exactly what I want

@brunnen153 7 лет назад

A larger chip usually costs more money to produce, so if the additional chip space does not result in more performance it will be really hard for AMD to sell it at a lower price. Meanwhile Nvidia can adjust their prices and still make tons of profit :/

@Frautcres 7 лет назад

I don't like either side, in the end this is utility, and each should strive for making their own fucking cards better, not making some hype train for fuck sake.

@edups4501 7 лет назад

Im gay like Nvidia fans

@Gilaric 7 лет назад

iDubbbzTV ü gay is can't be used as a insult...

@edups4501 7 лет назад

you are right i am ashamed of myself

@kasianvh 7 лет назад

these The nvidia and amd fanboys are becomming really fucking annoying. AMD fanboys are overhyping and nvidia fayboys are saying that amd cards are toaster and shit. But people never overhype

@introversiongamer 7 лет назад

AMD fault that NVIDIA is overpriced? k

@gerryrivaldy4281 7 лет назад

Introversion Gamer you're not that bright eh?

@WarsunGames 7 лет назад

He is.you're not.This was a horrible video Rant.It was not based on any facts an morons like youself are commenting on how others are stupid.

@WarsunGames 7 лет назад

Introversion Gamer To Gerry.Yes.I can see these people making comments like Nvidia fanboys.See an that is what gets me.The Video makers makes all these claims an Rants about AMD.But when doing that.Never considers none of it is true.he is trying to downplay AMD.Which for a person who loves hardware.Nvidia or AMD does not want to hear it. Then you have these jackasses coming in here calling people names when they know they perfectly well.You an others like you disagree with the subject.So they get pissed off about it.I am tired of this.Really tired.

@gerryrivaldy4281 7 лет назад

Listen here, its kinda true that the reason why nvidia products are so overpriced because amd cant keep up with the competition, amd cant make a product as fast as the 1080 or titan xp, thats why nvidia can crank up the price of their top of the line product because they dont have to worry people will buy other product with same performance with lower price because theres aint any

@introversiongamer 7 лет назад

Sorry for asking you,, youtube decided it would put the comments in the wrong order.Amd does pose competition to Nvidia. You know the 1050ti? This overpriced shit is really close ( when talking about price) to the RX 470, yet they refuse to just low the price a little bit. And that is, considering the HUGE performance jump from a RX 470 to a 1050ti. And it just bug me that people are still dumb enough to pay for the 1050ti.

@foreignsgamingtech 7 лет назад

fanboys be mad I really hope AMD gets its shit together at least in one department. It most probably won't be in the GPU department though, where competition is too strong. The CPU department is where things are looking up for them though.

@vanguardas9927 7 лет назад

AMD is just fucking starved of cash. If they can pull a lot of money on their new CPUs (which I'm sure they'll gain back a huge market share they've lost since the beginning of dual cores) they can spare some money to help fix up their GPU division.

@blahblah7720 7 лет назад

AdoredTV already made video about this.his video are much more indepth than your too and will probably end up with less view in a few day.Also your video "just" hit the 10 minute mark lolz.

@jpnantunes 7 лет назад

Blahblah So did you watch the video? Or did you just skip the part where Philip talks about Adored's video?

@smartmineofficial 7 лет назад

Why don't you watch the whole video before commenting? He already mentioned it

@LeafMaltieze 7 лет назад

Yeah, I like commenting before watching the video too.

@CharcharoExplorer 7 лет назад

To be fair, I do not think Philip understands as much as AdoredTV about GPUs or CPUs or tech in general.

@williamine 7 лет назад

who cares fuck off

@lokalkakan 7 лет назад

Remember when Nvidia leaked a graph that showed a 10% difference on a 50% scale. That's the kind of yellow statistics that I like to see

@akopyl 7 лет назад

But why would I care about power efficiency?

@notmyname5449 7 лет назад

A Kopyl Inefficiency adds costs in form of a higher power bill and a more expensive cooler for the same noise level on top the initial costs. This effectively makes the card more expensive.

@Henrik0x7F 7 лет назад

Not My Name Well, Power consumption is the clock cap of gpus. Nvidia is very Power efficient, that's why their cards can Run at up to 2GHz.

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

A Kopyl a more efficient gpu means you can theoretically have more functional units and/or clock it faster. Resulting in more performance

@hydrochloricacid2146 7 лет назад

Henrik wat. That makes no sense

@akopyl 7 лет назад

Oh, now I get it. I thought it was all about the power bill.

@T1bonkyou 7 лет назад

hello phillips investigate the jump sound glitch when you fall and get the sound where you take the fall damage but no damage could be seen

@HSGEntertainment 7 лет назад

Nvidia will show us the 1080Ti at pax east and vega will be old befor its even out.

@jellenheimer1160 7 лет назад

HAH, I still have a 29 270 and fx 8350 god I need new hardware

@1300l 7 лет назад

I think that Zen and Vega will desapoint :\ It should be better than Intel and nVidia since they are so behind to really have a come back. And i'm an AMD guy... i still use they're cards (not cpu sadly)

@dragonfyzex1546 7 лет назад

1300l got to get that sr7 blackout edition ;)

@ultraviolent3948 7 лет назад

2:31 And there is my graphics card the 7990 (actually a 8990 but they are the same)

@ayyds 7 лет назад

After your sponsorship with dino pc expires will you be in the market for a new pc ?

@vaav55 7 лет назад

Hell, I'll take Better Late than Never! We need Amd to succeed for us!

@garned1281 7 лет назад

The Vega chip is bigger because they use HBM2, which is inside the chip...

@Henrik0x7F 7 лет назад

gar ned But hbm should theoretical make it faster l, too

@notmyname5449 7 лет назад

+gar ned You can see the HBM on the die shot. The size of the memory is not the problem.

@slimshadythe111 7 лет назад

this video hit me with reality, now i'm sad😔 poor AMD

@qrxtra9397 7 лет назад

dude the rx480 for $200 is fucking beast

@Vinaltor 7 лет назад

i'm just waiting for AMD's GPU's to become something else than just a cheaper, less powerful alternative i guess nvidia is still to blame for this (as well as game devs for that matter) for using and sticking with nvidia's tech, like physx and physx flex. tech which hardly affects perf on nvidia GPU's, but tanks framerates on AMD GPU's personally i think i'll stick with intel for CPU and nvidia for GPU, until a miracle happens with AMD which makes it worth making the switch