AMD Skips High End GPUs for 8000 Series Graphics Cards - Tech Deals 

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Look at the reception of the 7800XT versus basically any RTX 40 series card that isn't the 4090. I'll bet AMD wishes they skipped the high end on THIS generation. Nvidia's mindshare is insane, but their mid range value has been a serious weakness ever since the 3070Ti happened.

I brought a rx 6700xt this february which was 4000 rupees (arround 50$) cheaper then 3060 8gb, imo best decision i made. I don't have the money to upgrade frequently and i am planing on keeping it for atleast 4 years and maybe more.

I didn't like my Vega card because I couldn't see Grub or the prompt for my motherboard bios when using multiple monitors. 13:40 I have the same issue with a RX570 card. Won't work in a i5 system, but works in a R3 3100 system. The 5500xt I have work in all my systems, but need 750w PSU to never crash.

Years ago, who would’ve ever imagined eVGA would leave the graphics card business? AMD leaving the high end, whether short term or long term, is absolutely not a stretch of the imagination these days. Thanks for the historical summary. The longer I go, the more my RX 580 cements its position as my savviest component purchase ever (bought it brand new at a great price on a flash sale when prices overall were just ridiculous). :)

8:21 I remember those thanks to that first video I saw from you that 16 Graphics Card one back in 2021, despite being dated uploaded in mid-late 2019.

Loved the informative video! but i am fascinated how patient rouge is while getting bombarded by your Graphicscard history lessons xD

right at the end of the "shortage" in spring 2022 AMD was fully in stock (a whole wall of cards) at my local store, but that local store had the cards marked up just as high as the nvidia cards they only had 1 on the shelf of. I honestly think AMD and/or the retailers may have screwed themselves in that moment sales wise. it was the perfect opportunity to steal market share from nvidia but the cards just sat on the shelf unsold overpriced.

i was lookin at gettin a 5700xt locally for 100 to replace my 1060 6gb. not playing the latest games just world of tanks. 1060 isnt runnin the game the way i like anymore. is it really risky to get was mining card.

The Vegas became much better later on. They were especially good alternatives in late 2018 and early 2019. They were much cheaper at that point at the drivers were stable.

Hi guys. Check your links to windows serials, price change and you seem to be giving someone else your promo "cut" (by default).

I had rx 5700xt sapphire nitro for 3 years and I never had problem at all. I was playing so many games plus my ocoulus quest 2 connected to my pc. Was great card 👍

Thanks for the interesting excourse in the past. Had problems with 2 6700xt's in the past, but both was after miners (coil whine) + some **ups with drivers. Bought 3080 for 550usd used, not a single problem yet, Gigabyte Eagle OC 60C temperature, quite silent if undervolt.

Makes me a bit sad. I suppose if they focus on the middle it might be more profitable. 7800XT looks good. I will be sad there won't be more high end cards as 7900XTX is pretty nice, would have loved a 8900XTX (though I likely wouldn't be upgrading again so soon), oh well.

Intel is doing something similar afaik for the Arc cards too, Red vs Blue might be a thing

A year and a half ago I upgraded my PC to a 5800x3D and 6 months later HAD to upgrade my GPU because it died, Luckily for me Amazon had a Flash sale on the RX6600 8gb and I paid £180 for it which was £30 less than what I paid for my RX580 4gb back in July 2017. I will say this for the 4gb rx580 it IS STILL capable of playing many modern titles @1080p at low to medium settings. I actually paid £69.99 last week for a RX590 from Ebay, for a basic PC I am building for my mum's 80th b'day and that card will be total overkill for what she uses a PC for. So to summarise I think it is a really smart Idea of AMD to go back to basics and concentrate on the low to mid range of the Market, If they can Dominate that segment again, with Decent price to performance they can always releases a limited run of a High end card's closer to the release the RDNA5 if it makes sense. being as that will be the end of 2026 mid 2027

I love your videos!!!! i've got a rx590 in my old pc!!!! Now i've upgraded to a rx6700xt in my new pc!!!! Both are amazing!!! Thanks for your wonderful knowledge and advice!!!! Keep up the great videos,brother!!!!

This was great information. I'm still running an RX 580 in my computer and I'm looking to upgrade, but don't have the money for anything better than an RX 6600. It'll still be a great upgrade. It makes sense that AMD would back off from the high end GPU market when it isn't profitable. They don't want to invest in something that isn't going to provide a positive return comparable to the amount of effort to make it.

And here i was hoping to go all red for my next build :(

Correction. RX480 was a Polaris card I know i have one , the RX580 was clocked slightly higher with slightly higher clocked memory, identical cards otherwise.

RDNA 1 GPU move (which RX 5700 XT was the high end) for RX 8000 series which is actually not a bad move since AMD released 3 GPUs on the RX 7900 lineup which i bet they want to sell it off first then make a high end card on the next gen RX 9000 GPUs

Yeah, 8 gigs in 2023...SMH.

I have a 3080Ti. I bought a RX5500XT which is very good in my PCs. I'm looking to buy a high-end RX8000 to replace 3080Ti. Maybe I have to wait a bit longer. Btw, Radeon cards simply perform better with most freesync monitors than Nvidia cards use Gsync-compatible. And I like RSR which can be used on almost every game, because I have some old games locked at 1080p or lower. RSR does a very good job on those old games.

I'm still suffering the 5700xt, the driver crashes are still infuriating

interesting I had the rx580 and the 5700xt . I found both fantastic. The 5700xt is still amazing card imo for 1080 and even 2k with decent frames/ they still both run amazing I have repurposed them to friends and family builds. There was some driver problems with 5700xt at first but those kinks are all gone now. The 5700xt still runs certain games better then a 2070 and is on par with no doubt. Good show. I have the 7900xtx and it runs good but is gigantic and heats up my room, everybody wants a nvidia card just like they want iphones, the tech is great but mainly its a name game i believe.

8900XT? when AMD says top cards are they only talking about the 8900xtx?

I think the driver issues AMD had with the 400 and 5000 series really hurt them. Even if they got fixed relatively quickly, they were around long enough, and word travelled fast enough, that virtually everyone abandoned them for Nvidia. And Nvidia made some major improvements since the 900 series so that now, they 'seem' to be better to the average person. They just don't know. And even the potential customers who are being told that AMD is actually good and a better value aren't believing it. Which is a shame. But also, I think AMD's mind is made up, thanks to the success of ChatGPT and the burgeoning ai market. AMD is insentivized to use their production for what makes them the most money, and that is a highly sensible way to do things, as a profitable company would. And if they can't get back market share, they might as well make the most money they can with what limited share they have.

Don't they say this every year though. They still made 7900xtx witch were very competitive

During the gpu crisis I ended up with an rx 6600 and was very tempted to give up on pc gaming and just buy a console so it wouldn't surprise be if they lost customers that way too.

As Far as I can tell AMD is doing just fine in the enterprise & super computer market, CDNA is worth far more than any GPU market share. Not forgetting all the consul market sales, in fact more games are played on AMD hardware than NVIDIA hardware, a fact many overlook.

5700XT here the first 6 months drivers were shit. After 6 months the driver considerably improved. After a year and since then no issues whatsoever they work great I still run mine in 5120x1440 but I was hopping for RDNA 4 to be my upgrade next year. I don't have the budget this year to upgrade so I am not sure what i'll do.

I’m sad 😢 I bought. 6900xt knowing it was going be a long term commitment but i wasn’t expecting it to be the last of its kind possibly

AMD had a reddit post about FSR3.0 and acted as if it was going to be used on any card and any game. Including Nvidia and Intel GPU's.

I had a 5600xt I hated it random driver timeouts all the time Upgraded to a 6650xt never misses a beat it just works

19:55 And the funny thing is, if I had an i9 or R9 machine, between the 4090 and 7900XTX, I'd get the XTX, because almost all of its benchmarks fall between the 4080 and 4090, not to mention it's _at least_ $600 cheaper. It might not be _the_ fastest, but it's FAST ENOUGH! 🏎️

Battlemage is where it's going to be at next gen. Can't believe I said that, but that's how it's looking.

Atari is finally relaunching the iconinc and remarkable grand daddy of gaming consoles the Atari 2600 this November 17th in a new package dubbed the 2600+ it´s about time you make a video of it ;)

I just bought a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XTX and it works tremendously. But... HOLY SMOKE IT RUNS HOT!!!

no one bought intel gpus that didnt also have an amd/nvidia card as backup

I still rocking RX 5600 XT, still good enough for 1080p gaming. But maybe not for latest title.

17:00 The 7900XT, the price and performance, compared to the 7900XTX, killed whatever momentum AMD was seeking. Most people, who would have bought the 7900XT, either (like sheep) shelled out the extra $300 for the 4080 or waited for the 12GB 4080 to be released as the 4070Ti. That is where I think AMD's GPU share started to sink toward the single-dogits.

I really hope they have at least an 8800 since I want to buy high end AMD next gen and I am looking for performance above what the 7900xtx has to offer because I want to have a pc that I won't even feel a want to upgrade for roughly 4 years, Ideally I would have a 4k 240hz oled monitor (reported to come out late 2024) and a gpu that could push it from AMD (for various reasons like not caring about Nvidia features, generally not liking Nvidia, and better drivers on linux) but now it's starting to seem like the only way to get what I want will be from Nvidia which is a little bit disappointing if I'm being honest

the best part of that is the non-XTX bs

If they focus on making the best 4080 competitor with it being a no brainer to buy and trades blows with the 90 class cards they'll be alright.

I have a 6750 XT its great.

The first 3060’s were the go to mining card.

As a non-high end user, IDC that AMD isn't making high end cards, I prefer my mid-range price/performance. Nvidia is like Google, it works and its been around longer in the market. AMD is MS Edge, it works but the feeling is not user friendly.

Many companies agree to lose money or not make much profit to increase their market share. AMD should have done that too. I don't know how much those 7900XT cost but they should have sold sell them in the 700-750€. That's the price they'll be selling those anyway

Man that sucks if it ends up being true as I have to stay on the cutting edge and I hate the software Nvidia has I prefer amds menus ect I'll have to switch

Agreed, if AMD does not have a flagship that can compete with Nvidia's best to within 10% on average then they should not bother with high end cards.

I would focus SO much on drivers if I were AMD. That's their biggest problem and people's biggest complaints. If they hashed it out FINALLY and marketed it while delivering on promises and not delay with releasing almost a year later 😅

Just my opinion on the way the NVIDIA GPU stack should have looked. 4090 24GB - $1600 (no changes) 4080 16GB becomes the 4080Ti with 20GB at $1200 4070Ti 12GB becomes the 4080 16GB at $800 (I would buy this maybe 3 of them) later slot in a new card 4070Ti 12GB slotted between the new 4080 and 4070 currently at $700 (bad seller but its there) 4070 stays where it is at $600 with 12GB of course they could have made the 4070ti and 4070 both 16GB cards to improve their appeal... Maybe there was something with chip design that didn't allow the 16GB on the 4070ti but man that would have been the perfect 4080 if NVIDIA wasn't so damn greedy with their VRAM. I swear it seems they are doing everything possible to avoid making another 1080Ti.

I like this guy because he has a really good comparison criteria between 2 cards

If the 8800xt is 5-10% faster than the 7900 xtx for $500 that would be a huge win for the community, even if it only matches the performances at a significantly lower TBP.

While AMD may be the better choice for gaming, those who do more productivity tasks with software like Blender find that Nvidia cards are more cost effective.

I think it would be better for AMD to focus on the mid range card market, I mean why throw 20+ GB memory chips on cards that you only sell a few thousand of when you can make more 10, 12 and 16GB cards that you know people will buy because the price is right.

Well, I hope Intel's GPU does well. I think AMD needs an old rival to really push itself.

Hi Tech, I think unless AMD catches up in terms of software, nobody is getting a Nvida pricing high end AMD card. Nvidia can charge 1600+ not just because the card is fast, it's also because it has the best RT, Raster, DLSS 3.0 support, pretty much the whole package. The 7900XTX is price competitive, but if people want the best all round, then they'll go straight for the NVIDIA card. I think AMD made a lot of mistakes in terms of pricing and naming card, but their current high volume sellers tell a story of it's own. 7900XTX great alternative to the rtx4080, 7900XT at $750 demolishes the rtx4070ti, 7800Xt $500 very compelling against the rtx4070, 7700XT horrible compared to the 7800XT, but strong against the 4060ti. AMD needs to offer a much bigger value in order to move the masses to try out AMD cards around 15% to 25% cheaper than their Nvidia counterpart. It's horrible to have Nvidia dominate the high end, but I think asking AMD to push for the high end every generation would take away chances to catch up in the long run.

Skipping the high end makes a lot of sense with the current economic uncertainties. I'm not sure how it is across the pond, but here in the land of cheese and clogs barely anybody wants to spend thousands on hobbies. Cost of living well over doubled since the funny flu, some basic necessities tripled in cost even. A loaf of bread costs closer to 3€, but 3 years ago it was sub 1€. The government only admitted to 4-4.5% inflation, so people didn't get more money. AMD has more reasons than just purchasing power I'm sure, but it comes at a good time.

I can only speak from experience, so here it is: I really like AMD, and the last card I got from them was a rx 6700 non xt (got a good price at the time in my country for it) right when the mining craze was starting to die down. Well, what do you know, the card was unusable: black screen and driver crash/restart followed by the occasional complete system reboot in EVERY action that required 3d acceleration. That means internet, games, every single gaming client out there (the worst was Epic's launcher where hardware acceleration could not be turned off), even windows desktop.....the card was unusable basically. Looked online for every possible fix, emailed amd CS support, no success....and THAT is why I continue to use nvidia to this day and why I think so many people choose nvidia or just don't buy anything new if they can help it lately. Is AMD faster in raster than most of nvidia's counterparts? Apparently, yes. But are they working, HASSLE-FREE? No, I don't think they are. And all tech youtubers and reviewers who 95% of the time get their cards directly from producers and don't encounter all these issues don't seem to understand that maybe their cards were cherry picked from the best lots in order to ensure functionality, but maybe the rest of us are not so lucky. Bottom line is, AMD has a history of questionable functionality, be it hardware or software related, and I think this is the end-result on a global scale. The evil competitor may be evil, but his cards are fast, stable and just work. Plus, doesn't hurt that their marketing team has been killing it for years now.

They should have stole market share during the cripto boom. Drop the prices instead of following nvidea.

Amd is better for gaming but Nvidia is generally better for productivity, sometimes twice the value or more for things like Blender.

If only Amd would exit desktop GPU market that would be great.But it seems Lisa Su is not super smart after all.

No matter the reasons. No matter how we spin it. This is bad for video card consumers. I hope AMD can reclaim market share by doing this. I must admit that when i buy a new video card, i look at the AMD and buy the NVIDIA because it just works. I upgraded from an old blower style 1080GTX to a RTX3060ti...it just worked. I want to buy AMD but when it comes time I spend more on NVIDIA for the reliability...I am the same with INTEL CPUs. I have owned AMD CPUs and GPUs in the past and hope to again. I don't know what it will take to get me to switch back and if I don't know...how can AMD know. I will say the 7800XT is very compelling in price to performance. The reason I have held off is to see what happens to the 6800XT and 4070 prices. Also, AMD, for the love of all that is Holy...please quit destroying your branding. The 6800XT competed against the 3080. Now the 7800XT competes against the 4070...you should have called it the 7800 or 7700XT if you really needed the XT branding...then the step down could have been a 7700. I swear AMD's marketing is just so broken at the moment. The really messed up this generation with the XTX moniker.

The Nvidia Ray Tracing and DLSS propaganda worked I guess. The general consumer would rather pay significantly more for nothing than get good deal paying less on very similar rasterisation performance.

I didn't know about AMD releasing a better card with less VRAM in the past when they were the ones who started putting out 8gigs of vram in the first place. That is such an AMD move that it doesn't even surprise me lmao, they always manage to shoot themselves in the foot anytime they do well. The mining boom was the perfect time for AMD to make their gpus mass available for cheap when Nvidia were busy selling to miners and yet 6800xt cost $1200. Looking at the reactions for the 7800XT (both from the consumers and Nvidia), AMD could've easily done similar to the 7900xt/xtx instead of following's nvidia's shitty and predatory tactic of moving the entire product line down and upselling the higher tier cards (mind you AMD did this with the 7700xt). if xtx was something like $899 and 7900xt $699 (it's the real 7800xt with 30% uplift over 6800xt) it would've looked the 4090 look crazy expensive and the 4080 outright silly. the 7800xt could still have been $499 and 7700xt $399. AMD will end up lowering the price within a few months anyways tho and miss out on all the release day hype. I'm interested to see what the chiplets do next gen and if AMD starts taking raytracing more seriously. The biggest difference however in my opinion is DLSS (AI), in a lot of games the performance difference in RT titles are pretty close but it's DLSS vs FSR that makes all the difference, both in terms of quality and performance and now with ray reconstruction the gap widens even more because for the first time Nvidia will have better visual quality when it comes to RT games.

- AMD: I see some issues at high altitudes - Nvidia: _sitting over his Everest pile of money while engineering the 5090 in a Panzer Maus fashion_ - Also Nvidia: I surrender too. My own creation scares me even before being produced. *Delays the production for **_unknown_** reasons*

They're skipping because they can't keep up. Pure and simple. Some of AMDs issues has been they simply couldn't produce enough GPUs to compete with Nvidia. IMO. And now with the 7800XT release, although they sold out quickly, they don't appear to be able to fulfill demand. So are the new 7800XTs just that popular or there's not enough stock or a mixture of both? I started to get one on launch day but decided to wait a bit. Sorry but I'm not going to purchase an ASRock card.

Bring the beard back!

AMD has consoles and Steam/Nitendo....... in game-cards Nvidia and AMD are on the same level but in AI Nvidia is waay above. 7900XT/XTX cost to make is 450$ so x2 is about 900$ If they made 6950xt on a new node and RDNA3 things inside with 24gb of vram i think it would be on almost 7900xt level but at 355w and 699$ but then you cannot name it 79xx cuz it would compete with 4070/ti lol ....

AMD is not selling much high end cards because they are following the greedy ways of Nvidia. If that 7900xtx was 699, the 7900xt was 599. All techtubers would be championing such cards and gamers will forget Nvidia GPU's ever existed. AMD does not aim for market share with such stupid pricing they are just mimicking the evil ways of Nvidia and its not doing them favors from anyone. The RX580 was their golden comeback era and they cannot replicate it anymore due to greed! They know what to do to take a bigger market share, they just refuse to.

U Guys are so cool 😎 just saying

RDNA1 was a driver nightmare for me, turned me off to AMD gpus.

The RX 480 is absolutely not a refreshed R9 390X. Similar performance does not = the same hardware.

I think the driver issues really put a bad taste in people's mouths. It's a shame too now since the issue are fixed. Think about how many tech sources that were cooking amd over the driver issue. Then also factor in the "tech" people that everyone goes to for advice when buying new technology. All they probably heard was to stay away from amd gpus. From there they did no other research and accepted their family members or friends advice. Even in 2023 they still remember being told to stay away from amd gpus.😮

And this is why I'll always buy Nvidia GPUs as they are all about state of the art tech and good drivers support. Just because I favor Nvidia doesn't mean I'll call out on their BS practice. I want AMD to do better and the same goes for Intels GPU

Actually,none is buying anything. You can go to microcenter and they had nvidia GPUs stacked up to the ceiling. They had to move a whole wall of motherboard over stock so they could continue to make room for all the nvidja cards. Nvidia distroyed AMD during Covid where not enough cards could be make quick enough. Remember miners? Yeah,they bought all those hundreds of thousands of rtx 3060. If you factor in miners who purchased probably 70% of all GPUs back then that should make things a bit more fair to AMD. Nvidja was just able to make way more cards. As of right now though,i don't think anyone is buying nvidia. However they just made so much money already that they could care less if they barely sell enough cards. They are set for the next 5 years. That being said,they probably still want to keep making money and having control of market share which is why the lower the price of the 4070.

if amd would have sold the xtx and xt cards at 800 and 700 things would have change ... but no .. amd thought , the people on reddit represent the regular costumers mr tech really really like his stories lol

I'll bet we're close to a thermal wall. The 5090 honestly I don't feel is appreciable improvement over the 4090 either if early rumors end up being true. AMD can't make a 8900 XTX, so what? It probably still wouldn't be as good as a 4090, and if it was, not as good as a 5090. I don't see why AMD needs to make x900 XT/XTX level on 8000 series. How about something low profile that's nice, has an 8x interface and no power plug for once. If we're going into a frame generating, machine learning upscaling reality..............AMD's FSR seems to work in everything and is in consoles, AMD isn't done.

You kept saying AMD in this video. It's Radeon that's not selling. AMD should give Radeon a name change and let them run independently.

Nvidia's gone mad on a performance hellbender, charging out the behind. Most average consumers can't afford those high priced GPUs so Nvidia's market still shrink. I'm most likely going to switch to AMD honestly. Nvidia wants to breakaway from offering mainstream gaming GPU, it's obvious. So it's time to part ways sadly.

i've been wanting an amd gpu for years now but i get better (used)deals on nvidia cards where i live new gpu's are out of my league , 60-70 class and rx 67-7700 class gpu's i don't want to spend that amount of money on a toy (i pay us price +25% vat tax) no ty

In the last decade AMD and Nvidia has been acting like a DUOP'OLY, its now 2023 and we're still being screwed 😅 Nvidia f*ck$ its customers and AMD is the same just a few percent less evil but still f*ck$ its customers too. We really need that blue battlemage to rattle that duopoly as soon as possible. In the CPU space you can get a freaking super fast 8 core gaming cpu for almost the same price as a quad core in 2014 inflation adjusted, but in the GPU space we are paying multiple times more for increase in performance.

please keep buying Nvidia, maybe i can buy 7900xt 650$ in Black Friday if you guys keep the hard word.

Unfortunately AMD put their time and effort in the crap no one cares about. Nvidia control panel: 20 years old and works. AMD control panel: Fancy AF and annoying. Nvidia drivers: Constant development, work most of the time. AMD drivers: Roll the dice and cross your fingers. I've personally isolated and reported bugs down to the exact version where it changed, and demonstrated a fix by overwriting the newer file with the older. Status: not fixed last I checked. This could be a good thing. Having one rock solid midrange card with the whole driver team focusing on it could improve their image, and lead to better future products - and sales.

AMD GPU is way more power hungry with no ray tracing performance + no software app support 🆚 Nvidia way less power with high end everything performance + developer support everywhere 💰. AMD logic is so dumb 🤦.

it was too late for amd, amd did same mistake as 3dfx did...waited too long and lost trust in pc community with software support that is not 6 months problem....no , like youtube said and i have expierence before back then....its was F...TERRIBLE TO OWNED AMD GPU DURING MY TEEN YEARS ...DRIVERS WAS CRAP ...WAY WORST THAN TODAY...and LASTED WITH MANY DIFFERENT DRIVER NAMES THAT ALL TURN OUT BAD FOR R9 280x and ATI 9700 pro....and ATI 8500LE....as too i bought ATI gpus and one AMD ...they all are radeon ...it was nightmare for me to get it working on many different windows from 98 to xp and vista that killed r9 280 support...it was final straw for me...that i went to buy 970gtx and 1070gtx and rtx 2070 super and rtx 3070ti ....for me , i am not mid range person type of guy buying gpu to settle for less FPS...no, i am guy want the best experience in game playing without problems and higher fps for monitor handle 60hz entire time without dropping full fps...so ask yourselves ,why continue buy more gpu's down the line when all the games i played is all in the past already ??? i not seeing any games in the future any better now, are we ??

The greediest sons of $%$%)$% 🤡are the game studios that don't optimise their games enough for the hardware that cost an arm and a leg every other year. Just look at the last Jedi Survivor game on PS5 for instance. They optimised and stabilised FPS with their latest patch; what did they do? They removed ray-tracing completely from the game! A feature that Sony and Playstation are marketing like hell as being available on the PS5. But when push comes to shove, most game studios stay the hell away from spending money and time into optimisation. Sony can keep on marketing all it wants that most games don't yet take full advantage on the PS5 but reality is different. Mind you, the PS5 hardware from the hydrid AMD architecture is very dated, yet it's capable of rendering beautiful games such as Horizon Forbidden West at near stable 60fps, 40fps, and 30fps depending on the graphics mode you opt for. Back to Jedi Survivor. It's PC counterpart is still performing horribly... why? I wonder... In short, yes, companies are all greedy. Hardware companies try to throw better stronger faster lighter hardware at the problem while game companies optimise less and less and pass the cost onto us the gamers/enthusiasts. It's that bloody simple, as always, follow the money ... 🤑