Improving x3d, eh? That may be interesting. I can only speculate, but perhaps they were able to improve the voltage parity to allow higher clocks? Or more consistent uplift game to game?
@@OmnianMIU because we already know RDNA 4 isn't gonna be very good. If there is gonna be any competition with the GPU vendors, it's gonna happen later. No reason to get hostile though...personally I feel AMD doesn't have the manpower, insight, strategy or funding to compete.
@@ofon2000 bro relax i'm joking. Fact is there's nothing in the future from AMD can compete with NVIDIA's solution. RDNA5 doesn't exist, there's nothing about it, only words from AMDog💩 fans like farts in the wind
i'm pretty okay with my 5800x3d, no need to upgrade anytime soon. i could probably skip the entire am5 platform on this thing to be honest. but the reason i probably won't is I/O. The MOBO i have is kinda holding me back sometimes.
@@bl4d3runn3rX Said no1 ever... the 5800X3D is about same as 7600X, the 7800X3D (which has a nice and efficient TDP) can be a nice bump up from a 7600X (which can be downclocked slightly to a lower TDP and minimal FPS loss) depending on what your doing... generally speaking from a 7600X to a 9000's will be about the same increase as a 7600X to a 7800X3D, sooo I can't wait for a 9800X3D!
@@zigziaryes, Perhaps even 9950X3D - still have to see if they could do 16cores with all-3D-cache-on-top. I'm also still good with 5800x3D, but for me it will be Intel Ultra vs. 9xxxX3D by the end of the year.
@@Wlad1 maybe... Although there is a nice TSP drop across the line i suspect that all they've really done is what I and many others did with my 7600x, basically run it in efficiency mode to get from a 115 ISH to a 65 tdp... I wonder if the avx, bandwidth gains will make a big difference in the long run.
@@zigziar still +16% average IPC is good "evolution" and there is also a chance they do more improvements on 3D-cache. x870/E chipset hasn't got much improvements, my only highlight is USB4-must-implemention with ASM4242-host. Intel will propably counter with direct TB4-implementation though, along with even higher DDR5-clocks, even more PCIe Lanes (from 890-chipset) and (who knows) even NPU for AI...
After saying 870 chips will support USB4 I would have hooked into there and asked with which speed (40Gbps?)! Would be good to know what's being marketed there a feature set or the speed too...
Fr fr, so many oems ship usb4 that doesn't have the prerequisites to achieve its full bandwidth. Often read speeds are acceptable but write speeds are horrible which leads to compatibility issues with Thunderbolt accessories
@@keerthan7558 I mean I don't think that it won't be 40Gbps after the 8600G and 8700G CPUs already support two native 40Gbps USB4 connections but it would have been nice to know for sure and not have to rely on guesswork....
The USB4 speed will depend on choice of the controller by the mobo makers. All the chipset is is a PCIE Hub and allowing designs to aim at different niches with controller choices allows end user choice. High end features like full 78Gb/s 4K display support may cost more. It's like the commenters who wanted McAfee to give a number on battery life, for a CPU, when battery capacity, laptop size/weight and other parts affect the figures as much as choice of CPU power values.
@@RobBCactive Anything beyond 40Gbps I'd only have use for if the CPU iGPU can use it for a 20UHBR DP connection. Otherwise I'm fine with 40Gbps for a capable USB Hub.
I've been using AMD exclusively since 1999 precisely because of the solid quality, long socket life, and so easily upgradeable. I just upgraded last week from a 3900X to 5900X. If AM5 will last as long as AM4, count me in for another decade!
Not their just-announced "AI 300" processors, which are laptop only. You'd probably have to wait for their higher level integrated graphics ("APU" CPUs). Right now the 8600G and 8700G are the desktop option for that, but AI performance measured in TOPS (16 TOPS) is quite low compared to the new laptop chips. You need at least 40 TOPS for the Windows Copilot+ stuff.
PCWorld always bringing the best news. Most of what i wanted to know about the mobile chips is covered here! One question though, are we looking at better battery life in the AI300 as well?
To me the most important question wasn't asked, did the CPU-chipset interface move to gen5 ALSO? Is it now 16GB/s instead of 8GB/s like it was for 600 series boards and Zen 4? Something not talked about but very important is gaming IPC. The chart shown just for a handful of games shows small uplifts for older titles, but who cares because 450 vs 475 fps doesn't mean anything, and it shows larger IPC uplifts for newer open world games in general. Hitman 3 didn't show much but it's a higher fps game anyway. So seeing gaming uplifts for this platform over a larger number of games will be nice. Last point. AMD says that this is the best gaming CPU. It probably won't beat Zen 4 X3D though and you'll need Zen 5 X3D to beat that part. HOWEVER, AMD lowered power draw by dropping clocks a little bit, something they didn't mention but that's REALLY how they're getting power performance. In a stock config or probably even using PBO Zen 5 is going to butt stomp on Intel CPUs for perf/watt. at the upper end. You can always get really good perf/watt or fps/watt by slowing clocks down even more but then fps drops off too and that's not what gamers want. So, at the upper end of performance AMD is going to clobber Intel with fps/watt until Intel comes out with CPUs on Intel 4 process node. At that time Intel has a good chance of being much better on the power draw and have better appeal.
The boost clocks are the same or higher than 7000 depending on the sku. The 6 and 8 core parts are both 100mhz higher while being 65w instead of 105w. He even did mention PBO2 and upping TDP to get higher performance in this interview.
always good to hear from the people at these companies*. great interview, Adam (*since red/blue/green seem to get treated as biomasses by the community too often)
I've been looking forward to a PC upgrade for a while now and really want to go with an X3D chip but it seems like that's still a ways off. I really wish they could just be clear about how much longer we'll have to wait.
This is the 3rd generation of X3D variants. Just take the time-gap between of the X3D of 5000 & 7000 series and you have a good guess on how long you have to wait for 9000
I can imagine how annoying it must be to give interviews as a part of your job when you are not allowed to disclose info on more than 50% of the key questions you will be asked. Kudos to Donny for being so calm about it. Or perhaps he is in fact too jet lagged to give a f**k 😂
As of this September, I'll be officially in retirement mode for my current system. 3700x/3060ti/WD Blue 500g os drive/850w gold PSU. It still does all my current and old games, at varying levels, but new games are starting to look hairy, even at 1080p. I was planning on a whole new rig, but I might be able to get behind just doing a cpu and gpu upgrade. While I would otherwise plan for a 5070 or 8700 XT for gpu, and a 9700X for my new cpu, I am highly interested in seeing what the 5700 XT can do. While I recognize the 5800X3D has been available for several years now, I have concerns about heating and cooling. My PSU is taxed enough that I can upgrade EITHER the cpu or gpu (and still have buffer), but not both. Looking forward to seeing the reviews.
Hope to see some custom silicon for gaming handhelds - 6 Zen5c small efficient cores with Radeon 890m igpu. Z1 is not custom, its just binning of existing 7040u
Wait 1st AI chip? I thought Lisa said it was their 3rd hence the 300? You mean it's not because 300 is higher than 200? Seriously though this guy seems really chilled. It's a nice interview. I am excited for the x3D chips this gen.
@@WayStedYou So the new motherboards supports the old AM5 processors. That's what I was hoping, I need an AM5 Project Zero motherboard with PCIe 5.0 x16 and M.2, WI-FI 7 would also be nice.
LOL! Come on young blood! " Too Many Numbers !?" That's like a painter complaining there's too much paint in the room...get it together young man!😅 Just messing with you Adam. Nice Interview, the AMD guys are always down to earth and relatable while still being tech nerds.
Hot take: AMD isn't really supporting AM4. Its just slightly different bins of existing CPUs. If they released Zen 3+ 6000 series as a last hurrah maybe, but come on... They can just adjust the prices on existing SKUs to give the exact same value. They literally wouldn't have any issues because they can market the the Zen 3+ stuff as a way to help give budget gamers and people who wanna sell their AM4 boards to upgrade to AM5 a bit of relief. Zen 3+ wouldn't really eat into the Zen 5 market since the performance gap wouldn't really justify picking the lower older architecture anyways for people who are making new computers or upgrading from Zen 3 anyways. Hell they can even add like 40 TOPS for AI on AM4.
Honestly, those 5800 XT and 5900 XT CPUs are just already existing silicon with a new label. The only thing about them that can be "new" is a very low price, and that's difficult when 5800X and 5950X have already reached really low prices.
@@WayStedYou That's a measly 2% more at best. It could also just be reduced headroom, as the stock 5800X already reached 4.85 GHz in the TechPowerUp review.
Support out through 2027 doesn't mean much other than Zen 6 is coming out on AM5. Zen 6 will come out 2026. Zen 7 won't come out until 2028 and EVEN IF it comes out in 2027 that doesn't mean AM5. The only thing AMD needs to do is put out a new CPU or two on AM5 just like they're doing with AM4 and Zen 3. So, I would expect Zen 6 to be like Zen 3, and Zen 3 will have another 12 - 15% performance jump over Zen 5 so it WILL be the big seller for AM5 just like Zen 3 has been for AM4. When Zen 7 comes out AMD will need to move to AM6/DDR6. I don't think AMD wants to do the thing Intel did with 2 different MBs with 2 different memory controllers for the same socket. That's too messy. It's also die space on a CPU to require 2 different memory controllers. It's not smart. So expect Zen 7 to be AM6/DDR6 which will be widely available then and the price even having a chance to drop some by 2027-2028 when Zen 7 comes out.
Zen7 will likely be AM6 because DDR6 will be out already AM4 was so long lived just due to DDR4 being so long lived. Ddr5 was supposed to be out before
RDNA-4 Will be in November. Ryzen in July, EPYC is in the hands of the first groups and out in September. MI-325 in September with CES first look at MI-350 2025 and MI-400 at CES 2026 3dV-cache chips at 2025 CES Threadripper between q3 2025 and q4 2026 AMD almost never answered about product that 2 months to 6 months and beyond special at a product launch AI as just the new RGB buzz word
Dear Adam, why does it matter to AMD if selling CPUs on AM4 cuts into AM5 CPU sales???????? Huh?? WHY?? AMD is SELLING A PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!! Can you all stop asking stupid idiot questions?? Now, I know you're not the ONLY channel saying stupid stuff and this has been said by other people who obviously can't THINK STRAIGHT. But still, I go to watch a video from you all and usually within the first two minutes I want to go watch something else because you ask stuff NO ONE CARES ABOUT!!!!!!!!!! I want to know about Ryzen 9000 and you're asking about will one product selling cut into sales of another. Here's the answer, YES. But why should AMD CARE?? They're selling a product one way or another and keeping people on AMD products. That MATTERS.
The fact is the new node didnt give any new performance, it flopped. Amd didnt want to redesign their architecture this time since all manpower went into AI design/Avx512. And now they have to pay the price since there was no carry from Tscm 4nm. Its not like Intel puts power into their cpus for fun, it does yield performance that is desperately needed for the task at hand. I would have liked to see a 10 core ccx at 140w TDP. In what universe do one upgrade for 6% uptick in your favourite game?
Intel doesn't need the power to get the jobs done. They need it to get the jobs done faster than AMD and get a spot high up in benchmark results. All this PL1/PL2, 250W+ bs is only there to get good benchmarks by reviewers. In benchmarks where an i5 gets locked to the real package power (not tdp) of the comparable Ryzen 5 (90W) or i9 to the Ryzen 9, intel would get murdered in benchmarks.
65w instead of 105w and 100mhz increased clock over the 7700x. He even mentioned pbo2, so you can probably hit 5.7 or 5.8 on the 9700x, which bumps the 16% avg IPC up with a clockspeed increase at the same tdp, but everyone reeeed about power draw last time so they cut back.
The only difference is on IPC, that it is around 10%... very disappointing, I mean what it is this? Intel? No core count increase, no clock speed increase... also there was no pricing....Hopefully zen6 launch something good otherwise the investment in the am5 platform was not worthy. Just tons of AI shit
@@skeetssaer2018 16 is enough in one CCD... you seemed to be one of those intel fans from the past decade used to get nothing from generation to generaton
I am not impressed about Ryzen 9000 series, when zen 6 or other versions has the RDNA 3.5 or 4 I will do an upgrade, maybe at this point we already have DDR6 too and other new hardware. I am good with my system now, I NEED MORE than that was shown.
No.. AM5 would be DDR5, and AM6 would be DDR6. That's how AMD conduct their business since AM2 platform. I own AM2 with DDR2, and loved AM3's Phenom for years before upgraded to 4th gen. Didn't impressed at all by Intel's mobo, and I chose to went back to AM4 instead of new Intel mobo for 8th gen.
AMD gpu sucks for most of my 3D and motion graphics work so it's obviously no brainer. I like the cpu but they still no equivalent to quicksync. If they can pull that off, I'll switch to Ryzen.
The guy was OK, but the interviewer was so cringy. Unprepared, and obviously not great on interacting with another human. Some people should stay behind a screen, and never in front of a camera.
AMD doesn't get it... they should have implemented X3D into every new released desktop CPU. I was shocked in 2022 when I saw that the 7000 Series CPUs didn't have 3d v cache at launch. They artificially hold them back, so that some people buy twice.
Wait, what? Why would someone who is wanting a x3D part not wait till the new x3D comes out? By now we know the x3D SKUs come out after the mainstream parts. Unless your CPU dies, there is no reason not to wait and by an non x3D part.
same clocks, same cores, same io tile. looks underwhelming. if they kept the same tdp and increased clocks even by 100 or 200 MHz they would have looked way better (and keeping the same tdp is still better than intel) lowering tdp with same clocks sounds like a brag no one cares about tbh... they pull so little watts already.... maybe you would care on mobile... but i have 420mm aio... give me more. also no x3d announcement is a dirty move. i hope amd doesn't get cocky as a leader..
It's a 100mhz higher clock at 65w instead of 105w, but okay. The 12 core part also dropped 50w tdp. He even told you to use pbo2 which probably puts it, another 300mhz or similar at the 105w tdp for the 8 and 6 core parts.
