As I'm a Norwegian I would of course put my bet on Leif Eiriksson. But actually, it was the people of Siberia who walked over the landbridge where the Bering Strait is today some 30000 years ago. And also eventually populated the South Americas...
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Hello Arran, Columbus actually anchored off the northern shoreline of Haiti 🇭🇹 not the Bahamas. He renamed Haiti Hispaniola which means “little Spain”. I love your channel man, the best on RU-vid. Thanks for all you do.
I have read American history books. You guys should rise up against the establishment and sue the crap out of your public schools. It is almost all indoctrination with little education. The specific one I got is called, "United States of America History by Robert Paynter." I am appauled who the book gives credit for inventing the automobile, the radio, telephone, rocket, the glorious way the evil pirate Christopher Columbus is portrayed, and who discovered electricity.
Native Americans discovered the Americas from crossing the Beringia land bridge perhaps 10's of thousands of years ago from Siberia . Before then there probably no human occupants.
Many Native Americans from Central and South America are direct descendents of the Oceanian tribes from Indonesia, the Philippines and even the Japanes (Ainu peoples), most of the most important civilizations come from the Maori. Based on recent findings it is even possible that these people form Oceania migrated first and before those Asians who entered by feed via the Bering Strait. Quecha languages and genetics all along the Andean mountains and the Amazon share many similarities, costumes and even the same words and concepts of gods to random tribes on Indonesia. Muisca peoples from Colombia also believed in a fying snake god similar to those dragons that the chinese culture portraits.
Yeah but you couldn't say that the Native Americans 'discovered' America though. The journey from Asia to America across the land bridge during the Ice Age would've taken place over many generations. And they would've been completely unaware the whole time that they had moved onto an entirely different continent, it was all just generic land to them. It's like saying that horses 'discovered' Asia when they travelled across the land bridge from America to Asia during the Ice Age, they didn't realise anything about the idea of continents or the significance of discovering new land.
@@SEB1991SEB The concept of discovery and movement did had a significance for nomad comunities, migration and apropiation of territories was a thing back then as well, so it was pretty much the same or similar as today. I say it because what actually pushes humans to move further and further away into new places is usually climate or conflict, hunter gatherer/nomad cummunities usually circle throgout the same land as long as possible knowing that there's some specific places rich in resources and animals to eat, depending on the season they'll return to these certain specific places, when another group appears or the group disbands then this territory would need to be shared or fought to gain control, just like the nomadic communities who pushed large migrationsinto the roman empire or the native americans in south america who still have disputes over lands, all of this happens unless they just move away in search of new hospitable land and enstablish there, a new world only for them to live in, this was definetively of big significance for these cultures and the future civilizations of their sons, just like when many greek communities were forced to migrate and ended up populating most of the Mediterranean when non owned land started to scarce in their own territory, leaving the seeds for many other civilizations to grow over the same culture bases.
What is it with Americans and giving things ridiculously dull and matter-of-fact names. Roundabout = traffic circle. Lollipop lady/man = crossing guard. Cheese toastie = grilled cheese. Just seems such a boring culture that refuses to have a joke at its own expense.
Loved your piece. I teach this to high school students. Only one thing to correct... (teacher syndrome: look for the errors)... Columbus was not looking for a "Northwest Passage" as you mention at 3:23. Rather, as you later mention, he postulated that by going straight to the West he would eventually end up in the (East) Indies. The term "Northwest Passage" came after the exploring nations realized that the West Indies were not in fact the Indies. The American continents were in the way of the westward route. Then explorers such as Hudson and Cartier were hired to find a "Northwest Passage" to still achieve that mythical short route to the Indies.
It's funny how you say, his the first "European" to set foot there. 6:03 I wonder why you said it like that. I wonder how something can be discovered if it's already been discovered?
My teacher taught us way back in the 1970s that, while Columbus wasn't the first European to discover what came to be known as the Americas, he WAS the first person who, essentially, held a news conference about it afterwards and got others interested in following him, making it a donnybrook of empirical conquest. The vikings weren't that good at publicity, it seems.
They sang murderous Arias, paraded decapitated heads on pikes, ceremoniously drank in the streets and pillaged villages, also came up with naming progeny directly after Yu, yeah -not the type for publicity !!
An mini ice age destroyed the green land colony and the natives did the rest of the work, when a man of Leif killed a chief son. That's why the viking colony failed. Although a man named Thorfinn had the first European son in America
If not for The New World, Columbus would have died. He didn't have the food or water to make it all the way to Asia. By the time he reached The Bahamas, his crew was out of provisions, and would have died had they turned back for Spain.
@@PlugInRides I was thinking about that, you'd think an experienced sea-going crew would be able to feed themselves at sea. It's not like they are sailing through a food-desert. And there's rain water to catch. You might still have a problem with scurvy, I don't know.
@@theoptimisticskeptic Fish are actually a bit scarce in the middle of the ocean. The best fishing is over continental shelves, or even closer to coastlines. There is a reason various countries, like Russia and China, are often caught fishing within the EEZs of the United States and Canada. It also takes a lot of fish to feed a whole crew, and a fish-only diet is not good long-term.
Very possible, also, icebergs can be MASSIVE, there's picture of them online DWARFING some rather large ships. And Lava Bombs easily come across as fireballs. Wouldn't surprise me if he thought a giant had thrown them, even if he couldn't see one.
Well if the rest of the world don't know that the place exists then the people don't really exist either! 🤷 if we used Tyson's logic then we would never have a missing person in the world as we would just say: sure they know themselves were they are and so they are not missing. So there is no point trying to discover where they might be. 🤔
I grew up in the U.S. and went to school in the 90s and they still taught us that Colombus was the guy who discovered the Americas. It annoys me to find out that it was discovered three decades before I was born that it was Leif Erikson and I was never taught it.
I’m a sophomore in high school right now and I was also taught it was Columbus who discovered the Americas. The first teacher to say other wise was my AP world history teacher earlier this week actually
@@buttholelicker1874 they were not wrong. Columbus DID discover the americas in the sense that he was aware of it and made the rest of the world know. If we talk in an absolute sense, then the first to discover america are the natives themselves. View it this way, Erikson is a person that stumbles because of gravity, but Columbus is the Newton that understands it and explains it to others.
@@JAY1892 Some people fall while others leap. Some people are killed while others died later of their injuries. Some flee while the rich leave. Heres some fun facts about how one woman screwed the aboriginal Siberians. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xwbq9mDPdN0.html
In Denmark, we have various different Viking maps drawn on animal leathers. These are depicting several smaller trips to America before the year 1000, they are on display spread throughout a handfuld of danish Viking Museums.
No doubt they were scouting trips for potential IKEA store locations. (And yes, I know IKEA is Swedish, not Danish. Gimme a bit of latitude here, folks!)
I have had a _LOT_ of dealings with Globe Deniers (aka "Flatties") . They never let facts get in the way of their crackpot beliefs. One of the great underpinnings of their anti-reality dogma is that gravity doesn't exist. Yeah, it's that bad.
The Mongols outfitted a ship and headed east, toward Europe. But they ran into California. There was a drought present. They built a settlement there, but they weren't prepared for the settlement. They returned to the ship and sailed back to China.
The mongols thought California was Europe, but they’re actually rowing through the Pacific Ocean and not the Mediterranean! That’s because Europe is west of Mongolia.
Don't worry Marty. We will fill the boilers, repair the oil injectors and we will get the locomotive running better than new. Because tomorrow, you are going to go to1000AD to find the past me there, So you two can go...(dramatic brass instrument music) back to the place that you were before the DeLorean time machine ever made the first time travel that was not the present nor the past. 👈 (Sorry it is still under copyright. I can not use the phrase we all know and love.)
@@willywonkaandthewarcrime4493 Ok, no more Marty McFly. However, according to Harry Harrisons 'Technicolour Time Machine' the only reason that the Vikings went to America was because a movie company traveled back in time and paid Vikings to go there so they could shoot the movie of Vikings coming to America. They also paid the lead actor - the actual Leif Eriksen - a bottle of Jack Daniels per day as a salary.
Arguably the "last" was Amerigo Vespucci who actually realised it was a previously unknown continent, and finally gave it its permanent name. Meanwhile I wonder if Thoughty2 has anything on the theory that Phoenicians reached Brazil by accident, analogously to Leif in Canada?
17:37 my home town of killarney, kerry has made it to your video. What a privilege. Just for the record. St Brendans story is widely accepted as truth in Ireland. The biblical references and massive dramatisation of the journey stand for other religions reasons to ljve through the ages in story form
As some extreme American Christians believe, Jesus had traveled to North America and mixed with the natives. St Brendan could have been following in his footsteps???
@@lorcancampbell7515 All Sir names are actually Norse btw. given the Danes "aka Norse" conquered the whole of Europe well kinda but not so much conquered but even still yeah happened, they brought forth the sir name, to better lay claim for the family name of course to lands won in battle, traded, come about in gambling etc etc. My last name is not Irish yet the place named after my family goes into the depths of ancient history or pre Roman and pre European Ireland, the original people of Ireland were long gone when what today as in people showed up on it's shores, and while we are at it, sucks for ALL of Europe to be bested by we lil Ireland, you know the ONLY place not conquered by ROME
Norse means mostly old Norwegian, and in some cases Scandinavian. And was never under Roman occupation, as was not Sweden, Finland, Russia, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, most of Germany and Austria etc.
Interesting description of St. Brendon's voyage. Sounds like he took a similar route that Erik the Red & Leif Erikson would take years later heading N-W into Iceland & bypassing Greenland to N. America. Since Scandinavia is much further north, they would travel more directly W than N-W. Tim Severin didn't just cross the Atlantic proving that it can be done with a primitive boat. He also crossed the Pacific on a bamboo raft from Vietnam to the coast of N. America riding the Kuroshio (Japan) Current. He made it far enough to the coast of British Columbia, Canada before being rescued by coast guards when his raft was rotting away. The British Naval Officer Gavin Menzies wrote the book: "1421, the Year China Discovered America". Back in the Ming Dynasty, the 3rd Emperor Zhudi commissioned a fleet of treasure ships to explore the known world. Menzies speculated some of the ships may have landed in America.
Considering that there were already people here, I would have to presume that the land was discovered far before any of the mentioned discovered the land.
The replica of St. Brendan's boat is on display in Clonfert. It's quite a robust looking vessel quite capable of an ocean crossing. Scary but possible.
Thats because Canadians unlike Americans realize that the US is not the center of the universe. Take for instance slavery. For some reason Google thinks slavery started with the Atlantic slave trade as no matter how you search slavery, Google misdirects you to the Atlantic slave trade.
@@tocarules what? how is Columbus American centrism? an Italian explorer for Spain who never set foot in the United States of America. also, the slave trade was either started by the portugese or arabians depending on what you consider the beginning.
@@billrobertjoe First you should reread my comment. Then do things like look at a map and ask yourself why does the US appear to be so much larger than Canada when its much smaller by land mass. Bet my bottom dollar you know very little about Canada or the EU or pretty much anything of any country other than the US. Hey, dont feel bad as our education system is just as bad. The only thing Canadians like many others know about the US is what they see coming out of Hollyweed. Actually the slave trade started in Africa. As long as theres been humans theres been slavery. Take Harris for example. She kept prisoners past their release date as they needed the slaves. Thanks to Obama Libya has open air slave trading. China with the Turkic in forced vital organ donation/slave labor camps where people find notes to rescue them in stuff they buy? Hell, China just had a bunch of sweeter siezed for using slaves. What about Apple? Child labor for Cobalt? The US to have white slaves working textile and tobacco. Many of the white poor people from Europe had to work 2 years as a slave to earn the right to freedom. Then there was Anthony Johnson the first legal slave owner in the US that just happened to be black. The liberals dont like that fact so much.
@@tocarules number one, the most popular map projection "mercator" makes Canada FUCKING HUGE and leaves America looking normal i don't know much about Canada cause it isn't important, but i know about the eu cause it is important you know exactly which slave trade i was talking about, you don't have to pull this surface level shit out of your ass.
@@tocarules "why does the US appear to be so much larger than Canada when its much smaller by land mass. " Like the other comment, The Mercator Projection distorts the size of objects as the latitude increases from the Equator to the poles, where the scale becomes infinite. So, for example, Greenland and Antarctica appear much larger relative to land masses near the equator than they actually are. Another example is that Greenland and Africa are roughly shown as the same size, although in reality, Africa is about fourteen times larger. Because it is impossible to project a (roughly) spherical earth onto a flat map without significant distortion. The projection, I think you're talking about is the Robinson Projection which makes America bigger than it actually is.
The issue was with maps. Marco polo was a merchant. Not a cartographer. Polo's map, which most of Europe used, was wildly inaccurate. Made Asia seem much much larger than it was.
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The "giants throwing fireballs" story in the St.Brendan story may have some truth to it, if he took the same route as Leif Erickson, he would have passed Iceland which is actively volcanic, and it would have seemed to those at the time, that fireballs were attacking their boat.
Title: The TRUE Discoverer of America Is NOT Who You Think Me: Yeah yeah, not Columbus but Vikings or the Natives that lived there obviously Video Starts: THE MONGOL EMPIRE Me: Did not expect that
ancient greeks in the minoan era in the bronze age were trading gold in the coasts where canada is now, so yeah. way before the mongol empire was formed and expanded
There saying they’ve been in Americas since before 250,000 years because no one ever believed people where in Americas before so the never dig deep enough to look
Thoughty2 I really enjoy your channel, but even though I have never torn down a statue of Columbus I find it really offensive that you call those who do ignorant. You are right tearing down the statue doesn’t change history, but celebrating a evil person who never really accomplished what he’s being celebrated for does nothing for history either. The story of Columbus should be told, but it doesn’t have to be celebrated. You are entitled to your opinion on the matter, but you don’t have to down and offend those who are actually effected by the matter. With that being said I otherwise enjoy your videos and I’m even thinking about purchasing your book. Keep up the good work!
@@9PlatinumGamer9 I'm a lifelong Texan, but I have been correcting people's pronunciation of the name since the time I hung out with "Wonder Years" actress Olivia D'Abo and her "Spirit of '76" co-star/ex-teen idol Leif Garrett, a really cool, self-depreciating guy who didn't kill anyone the whole time we were together.
In the United States, 4th grade circa 1976, we were still taught that Eric the Red/Leif Erickson discovered the Eastern end of Turtle Island, and the Mongols had discovered the Northwest end over the Straight thousands of years before. Then in the 6th grade we were taught - complete with videos - that the Aztecs and the Mayans had homed the Southwestern section of the continent and that the Umatilla Nation had come to the Southeast from this people, and all intermingled together over centuries and branched out well before Columbus ever existed. To this day, I think Columbus Day is stupid.
Thoughty, I can’t begin to say how much I really love your RU-vid videos. I grew up in Columbus Indiana and my dreams came true last year! I hate that slaving racist killing machine. Chris spent 6.5 years in prison once he returned to Europe. Because he enslaved gold miners. You should have mentioned that. Chris did time.
I appreciate your intuitive input and corrections! The story of the pathfinder is also an interesting tale. On a personal note your occasional quips and humor are entertaining!
Really thought with the Mongol opening you were gonna talk about the Native-American's and how the got cut off in the America's when the land bridge melted.
It depends. Or if you choose to believe the theory that the Dark Ages were made up (Fomenkology) this places Madoc ap Owen Gwynedd in the 6th century. But yeah, those Phoenecians...
@@brianarbenz7206 he did. He was in the A Team... if you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... the vikings
@Louis van der Merwe Awwww look at you trying to sound smart with your bad grammar, misplaced punctuations, the dot dot dot that doesn't quite fit and the fake news history lesson that was, well, sad. We know who you voted for
@Louis van der Merwe Really?? You've been spending all this time trying to respond? and getting cut off?? I melted you that much and was even allowed to know??? OK...I'm done laughing now...Thanks, I needed that
They werent too native at the time. Hence the discovery. So to say it was "native americans" doesnt answer the question. Someone from Siberia or Indonesia would be more accurate.(probably siberia)
It's dated 1362, according to a video documentary I saw on this. One thing you can say for Columbus though, is his 'discovery' popularized the New World and led to the first waves of European colonization, for better and worse.
Give a man power and watch him abuse it. Power is inherently corruptible for all humans. Its just... nature 🤷♂️ it happens every single time without exceptions.
@Thoughty2 - You truly are a genius teacher, you make history fascinating to learn about! Another very entertaining doccie film...not simply a RU-vid video, you are in a category of your own Sir, great admiration! 😁👌
@@justinboivin Europeans didn't know the continent existed and the video is about who was the first European to discover it's existence. The fact that people already lived in America at the time is irrelevant to the video.
@@rootpower8664 Still a little eurocentric if you ask me. I think people already living somewhere is pretty relevant when you're claiming to "discover" land.
Who really discovered America? Wild guess here but I would say it was bands of wandering Asians who may (or may not) have crossed the Bering Strait during the Ice Age.
I don’t want someone’s statue removed so I can pretend what they did didn’t happen. I want them removed because the statues were erected for a reason. We as a society revered that person so much that we wanted honor him with symbols like statues and by naming things after him. Having learned more about that individual, we have also lost that respect we once had. So we choose not to honor him and if erecting a statue is a symbol then removing it is also a symbol. Or perhaps think of it like a photo of your ex. You’re not gonna keep it hanging on the wall after you break up.
Just finished your book. Really well done. Come on man, no one that takes down a statue thinks that means it didn't happen. Looking forward to more books. J.
A very likely candidate for a sheep as big as a cow is the muskox. His birds' paradise is easily the Faroes. And following the migration pattern of those birds, he could plausibly island hope to the New World.
Given the language connection between Algonquin and Gaelic I think it's safe to say the Gaelic speaking Irish definitely got there fairly early on, lol
There actually is a difference between a traffic circle and a round-about. That traffic circle is a pos nightmare in comparison to engineered round-abouts.
Finding signs of earlier than clovis. Clovis man is just where they decided to stop digging so yeah clovis is out cant remember what they are calling the new maybe solutrians or something. Most likely pre younger dryas period and im sure I spelled that wrong.
Definitely not Colombus. The Asians did it first and, even if we disregard the priest possibility, there are the Vikings and even after that and before Colombus the Portuguese "re-discovered" Canada 20 years before, by the hand of Gaspar Corte-Real and his brother or possibly even before by Fernandez Lavrador.
I truly enjoy all of your videos, sir. You are a very intelligent, thoughtful and creative RU-vidr. I surely hope you plan on continuing pumping out your incredible content.😊 My only question for this video is this: Why did the Indians never get credit for the discovery as they were here first, well before Columbus and likely even before the Vikings? They really got a raw deal on this end.🤬
the 'Indians are believed to have got there during the ice age from the easternmost point in russia to alaska.This was well before the vikings or the irish (it was more than 10 thousand years before them) but since when they discovered it they just forgot about the old world. It doesn't count because it didnt connect the 2 worlds (if it wasnt for columbus, the irish or the vikings we wouldn't have known that america existed).
Did you ever consider the Polynesians who crossed the Pacific and who may have lived in southern Canada, just north of Seattle, for several hundred years before sailing back home. I know this is not a European story, but unless you want to go back to the crossing of the Bearing Strait these might have been the earliest discoverers of North America.
so when u discover you grew your first pubic hairs those arent yours ? they still belong to adam or something !? thats not how DIS-COVERing works. they de-fogged that part of the world on their maps basically.
we have discovered the sentinel islands too ... sure people lived there, but the world didnt know there was an indian island where a tribe is still stuck with caveman mentality .... that was quite a DISCOVERY
It's funny, I knew a girl in 3-4th grade who is supposedly descended from Eric the Red through her mom. And I believe it because her mother was terrifying. Also, I remember watching a documentary about ancient Irish monk ruins in America. So the saint probably made it. Further proof was that they found carvings in the shorthand used by Irish monks that basically read as "we have punishing hangovers" lol.
8:14 it's not a roundabout......... roundabouts don't have traffic lights on them, they're instead of traffic lights. If they have traffic lights on them, in the UK they are called ring junctions.
Then what would you call a roundabout with a STOP sign, traffic lights, a small residencial building in the middle, a BUS lane (with the oblitatory bus stop in front of the aformentioned building), underground parking access also in the middle and, last time i saw, 6 crosswalks (ironically none of them has traffic lights) spread around?
Columbus sailed west and southwest, not northwest. The Northwest Passage was only a term to describe sailing into the arctic after the discovery of the Americas and the realization that it was not the East Indies, something Colombus did not live long enough to understand. He thought he had reached Asia until his death, although he did realize that the lands were "unknown" parts of the Asian world. He had no idea the Pacific ocean existed to the west of Cuba and the Carribean.
It must have been unsettling to the people that were already there that these explorers found them. Even thou they weren't actually lost. By the way I discovered a Walmart just up the road. Not really sure where all those "other" people came from....lol
Well Saint Brendan and Leif Erikson went to a part of the Americas and then nothing happened. They just went there and died with no one remembering them centuries. Columbus on the other hand went to the Americas set up colonies and connected the old and new world together, changing the course of history.
