The fact that a gun, the 1911, is still so insanely popular more than 100 years later really speaks to the great design and engineering prowess of John Browning
I believe he’s referring to only 1911 not the 1911A1. Technically it is a different model, like in Vietnam my uncle carried an M16... so did my best friend in Iraq in 2005 but his was an M16A3... but they were very different
Fun Fact: The 1911 Colt Browning wasn't officially replaced by the US military until the 1980's. But still in the First Gulf War American Soldiers still carried it into battle with them. That gun us a great legacy.
"I love the smell of gunpowder in the Saturday morning." I was skeptical, but it seems that you guys will deliver interesting episodes till the very end.
For me, personally I like those old German handguns, mainly because their strange designs led the way to fictional weapons in sci-fi lore. Han Solo's DL-44 Blaster and Megatron's gun alt mode come to mind.
Walk the wasteland long enough and anyone will gather a few scares. Gecko bites, laser burns, scorpion stings; little scares make for nice talk at parties, but some scares are so deep so big that they end defining a person for the rest of their lives. You see a man burned head to toe and he keeps on walking, or someone with his face torn off who refuses to lay down and die. That's a person who has more important things to do than tell you their story over a bottle of Nuka Cola. - The Storyteller (Shoddycast Fallout Lore Series Season 1 Episode 12)
Canadian officers during ww1 loved the 1911 they were the first ones to carry them into combat. And much preferred them over the weblys and other revolvers of the time
@@teufelhund4921 what year was the Mexican expedition? Weary year did the Canadians enter the war? Nicaragua was not a large deployment or particularly heavy combat.
That's honestly not surprising that Canada would also like it given the close Cultural identity's of the 2 countries and the fact that both Canadians in the US had to go through a lot of the same problems which explains why things like heavy stopping fire would be useful
The Mexican pursuit of Pancho Villa's forces was in 1915-16 or so, after his attack on Columbus New Mexico, to take revenge on an Amsrican hotel owner whom cheated him on soms arms deal. Dodge Touring cars served in that too.
Another thing to note about the european dislike of the 1911... most armies practiced more one handed shooting of pistols. Even the US army often fired the Colt one handed. This made the colt's recoil substantially less comfortable. In personal experience, two handed grips on 1911s equals quite comfortable shooting.
@@jacrispy3275 It's not about what they can or cannot do, it's about what you're giving up in exchange. Yeah, if you're an exceptionally skilled horseman raised from birth in the saddle as part of a vast Eurasian steppe culture with steppe horses raised for intelligence and agility, you probably can shoot two handed from a horse while guiding the animal with your knees. But if you're an American serviceman, raised in an Anglo-European culture, riding a horse that was probably issued to you with a breed that is likely larger and heavier than a Mongol steppe horse, is giving up control of your reins just so you can make a slightly longer ranged pistol shot *really* worth it? I don't think so-- you're probably making your pistol shot at point blank range anyway. War isn't about absolutes, it's about tradeoffs and context.
I prefer my xdm9 with more than double the capacity. Not saying 9mm is better than 45, just what I prefer. I have been looking at 10mm pistols, basically the same but a little harder hitting. For now though, I'm happy with the 9. I don't see many people walking through a double tap lol.
@@boomerisadog3899 i don't know why the US dint chose a .41 cal or 10 mm that John Moses Browning propose for an compromise of stopping power,controllable and capacity .
Love these videos. Hope one day we can get a video of Indy on the range trying out some of these weapons with Othais and Mae. Better yet if you can call up Ian from Forgotten Weapons to join - that'd truly make my day!
I would. Still a lot of older guys who won't give it up and when you start off with large numbers in use, attrition can take awhile. 45acp in ball is still more effective than 9mmP in ball config, so it still has the "must work, must stop BG" mystique working for it; yes, a revolver in .357Mag is a marginally more effective stopper, but ol' Slabsides is still quicker to reload...
Rich Barr I live in Florida and shooting at seven isn’t a big deal. Not everyone gets weird and annoying about guns, if anything I think it’s better for a child that’s going to be around guns to learn how to use them properly and safely. A kid who learns to shoot young won’t ever make the mistake of accidentally shooting themselves or a friend.
It was at seven that I was at a party at a hunting camp with my father. True story: I got so drunk (on four beers) I couldn't get my gun (fully-loaded .22 single action revolver) off my belt, so I had to sleep with it on. The next night we played poker (for money). I like to tell that story, just to horrify some people.
It's kinda weird to hear people talk about the monstrous recoil of the .45, but I guess that the other pistols of the war were all steel .32s, .380s, or at most standard-pressure 9mm pistols. Compared to them, I suppose .45 does kick a lot.
The issue isn't the recoil causing you injury, but that it reduces accuracy and/or speed for following shots. It's irrelevant for untimed target shooting, but an important consideration for defensive or combat shooting.
@@6236003 For the one handed point shooting that was taught, I can definitely see other nations looking at the 45 round and thinking it has way too much recoil for follow up shots.
I've fired several different weapons chambered in .45 ACP. Never found them to have massive recoil. The 10mm Auto kicked harder and that was in a Glock. .38 Super kicks harder than the .45 ACP. I'd love a double stack .45 ACP pistol with +P 160 grain solid copper hollow points. .38 Super or 10mm would also be awesome. Though I don't know if .38 Super double stacks well.
There were also a few people running around (mostly officers) shooting the Army Special in 32-20. Very oddball cartridge, didn't last long, but was used into the 1920s. I think pilots were outfitted with it too.
2:07 dang straight there are still fans. I am watching this with my daily carry 1911 on my hip. Having said that, I would not feel like I had less "stopping power" if I had a 9mm. Just make sure it's loaded with quality JHP and you are squared away. Thanks for the video, guys!
Of course the 1911 was designed by Browning as is the 45 ACP round. Some US special forces still use improved versions of the 1911 as do some law enforcement agencies.
@@avp5964 Quite probably. Then again, I understand some Special Operations units can choose much of their own individual kit, so I wouldnt put it past that some units field variations of the 1911
Seems doubtful everything I've seen on pistol comparisons by special forces says 1911 is less accurate and less reliable for their purposes, I'll link you some videos as I remember them
The M1911 and M1911 A1 served as the standard u.s. issue sidearm till 1985 and is still in service with some specialized units today. The move to 9 x19 in the military world can be attributed to the belief that higher capacity and more shots down range was more important then stopping power per round while in the civilian world this also was an reason and due to the ability to use modern expanding defense ammunition the potential knock down power of a 9x19 and a.45 ACP becomes much closer.
I do appreciate the 1911 it did what it was supposed to do and did live in the military for a long time so I think there should be no hate towards it. They deserve dignity and honor because
On the other hand, once the war ends, the Young Turks, that is, Mitchell, Patton, Eisenhower and many others start to turn what was learned, in the war, into new doctrine be it slow at fist. So did Germany and Japan to create World War 2.0 or we might say first, Cold War 1.0?
I wouldn't say the 1911 kicks that bad. I'm a pretty slight build (5'6 and 130lbs soaking wet) and I can handle mine with the same ease as my Ruger 9mm. And with the benefit of a more comfortable grip
If I remember correctly there were quite a few Colt and Smith and Wesson carried in 38 Special. More than a few Doughboy ' s or their families made a trip to Sears , a local hardware or sporting goods store to pick one up and a couple of boxes of cartridges to put in his duffel bag as a backup. Heck back then you could get one from Abercrombie and Fitch.
Heck, back then you could get a REAL gun from A&F! That was before Oshman's Sporting Goods sold the IP to a haberdasher in the late '80s? early '90s? tho... [Former Oshman's employee here...Man, what a mis-managed company *that* was, no wonder they had to sell off & disappeared!]
The Model 1917 revolvers weren't the only US handgun that wound up in Canadian service in WW1 - the First Contingent (later known as the First Canadian Division) used the M1911. Approx. 5000 were bought chambered in .455 (IIRC) and issued to the first troops that went to Britain from Canada in late 1914. (source for this is Herbert McBride's book A Rifleman Went to War)
Horseshit they're garbage compared to the polymer guns of today in safety, accuracy, reliability and cost. Old design that was great for it's day but we've moved on.
@@avp5964 today's 1911s are tuned up an accurate tac drivers.they might be the most used model of pistol in competition. I've seen a couple of your comments on this video. Your comparing the world war era 1911 to today's guns. instead of comparing today's 1911s to today's firearms. Don't hate on them just because the guy banging out your wife is a 1911 fan.😂😂
Tuned up and accurate for $3k and still less reliable and less capacity gee whiz! What competitions are you talking about let's get specific? I see an order of magnitude more Sigs, Glocks, etc in the competitions I go to. You're really projecting and trying to compensate there w/ the cute wife joke nice smileys little guy.
@@avp5964 wow ,that was your comeback. You lost the debate so you sent a link to a video of some junkers colt put out. Just say hey, I was wrong. I was having a bad day and felt like trolling people. Be a decent person.
Google says we're both right. He used a Smith and Wesson M1917 in Raiders of the Lost Ark (the original for the first part of the movie, the British variant for the rest) and a Webley in The Last Crusade.
Ive heard One guy many years ago saying abaut the Coltt 1911 45 ACP. You can kill an Elephant but you cant hit the sky with this gun. Very Wise words,that resumes the 1911. PS: just like the British Webley 455 Revolver. You couldnt hit a barn door at 25 yards.
All I'm saying is the .45 acp hollow points open up to .86ish in diameter projectile. bigger cavity= faster blood loss so for defensive purposes..."that'll do pig that'll do" lol. Love the show
While Norway did adopt the 1911 as our M1914, we didn't like the heavy recoil so went for a higher velocity 200 grain bullet instead of the US standard 230 grainer.
what no 1903 pocket hammerless it was the generals officer handgun from 1908 to 1972 it was only replaced because colt stopped production in 45 and the Army couldn't get parts or make them purchasable to the officer core so they went with a modified and shortened shortened 1911 which was replaced in the 1980s by the Army Standardized M9 handgun
I'm really irritated that the Savage Model 1907-- actually the 1905 model-- was not even covered because that was I made your arm that was carried on the Western Front by Americans and it was official with the Portuguese military, and was carried on the battlefield in large numbers by Americans and French. I have one that was made just after the declaration of war which was carried by a veteran in the struggle.
Having lived down the road from Webley&Scott..... you would think I’d prefer a local revolver 😋but when I was in a gun club in Birmingham I used to hire an fire the slab side 45.....great side arm...... also fired the browning hi power in military service. Both superbly designed firearms....... as was the Webley 😎
Can you do an episode of American shotguns, such as their effectiveness in trench warfare, the German reaction to that weapon and whether shotguns actually did provide a defense against in-bound thrown grenades?
about the Philippines and the M1911 story. During the Philippine-American War the US fought the "Philippine Revolutionary Army". there were regular encounters and the Revolutionary Army of the Philippine gov't under General Emilio Aguinaldo fought the "regular way" combined with hit and run tactics, they were also composed of conscripts or volunteers who were mostly city guys(sons of merchants, intellectuals etc.) and rural townsfolk aka farmers. now the Americans had easy time suppressing and annihilating this kind of band of troops in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao due to their superior training, competent leadership and better equipment, organisation and knowledge/experience in conventional warfare but as soon they reached the frontier islands of the Phils or as we now call it the ARMM Region(Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao) they were facing not just regular Filipino insurrectos but tribal Moro groups and this groups weren't city guys accustomed to developed city life. most were fishermen and farmers living in the undeveloped regions and islands which were mostly jungles that they knew well, they were fierce people and had a warrior tradition of some sorts. this warriors would sometimes get drugged up and function like Viking Berserkers and won't stop charging at you or falling back even if you managed to severely wound a lot of them. they functioned not like a regular army but more of a guerilla type preferring hit and run attacks and ambushes that's why the M1911 was designed with stopping power in mind.
It mentions elsewhere that American planners wanted a gun that would stop a horse, as cavalry was still a thing in 1911. The U.S. horsed cavalry would see its last action in Bataan in 1941-2.
Hayden Yes if I rember right 35 or there about. What I was talking about was the comment about the 45 acp being the best ever round made. It was one of the top for ww1. If I would have had the choice I would rather have the colt SAA in 45 colt instead. I do belive some officers were still using that firearm and round. I know Patton was still using his when he was in mexico with black jack. The bullet was a little heaver a little faster and still lead vs fmj.
Idk why I love how far we've come like it's crazy but these are beautiful peices of history sad what's going on today it makes me sad I wish people didn't Carry hate in there heart
1911 still serving strong in the Philippine Military, being locally produced and even made into Ghost Guns by cottage industries down in the hinterlands
John Moses Browning is the lord of the handgun. His pistols built at FN in Belgium were all over the world by the start of WWI. It's also interesting to note that the pistol used to assassinate the archduke (and start the war) was one of Brownings Belgium designs.
My father was with the 8th Army Airforce during WW11. He told me that, on the ship to England, people were lining up at the rail to throw them overboard. Too heavy, impossible to hit a target over 20 ft away.
I flew over the video, I watch theWhat about the Colt M1902? I know only a small amount of them was produced but was there any chance that it was used in World War 1, maybe by troops by the Pacific. As you once said in your Primer Series, the design of the Steyr M1912 was inspired by the Colt 1902 and I as an Austrian was keen to seen this also mentioned here. :-)
Seriously guys, that thumbnail of Othias with the empty 1911 should be a poster or a t shirt lol. That cheeky grin is excellent. One more question, can I still get my August von Macinsocks from anywhere? I missed the run and I was hoping I could still get a pair. Awesome show guys, will we get a live episode on 11/11? All the great war people coming together for a V day episode would be great.
He failed to Mention the Colt Alaskan/Philipino model of 1878, During the Spanish-American War & Philipino insurrection the Colt New Army chambered in 38 Long Colt was found lacking in stopping power. The Government contacted Colt who would produce a number of Colt upgraded 1878's now known as Colt 1902 Aladkan/Philipino models chambered in .45 Colt. The Government also requested Colt produce for them a number of New Service Revolvers also chambered in 45 colt. I believe it was called the model 1909.
Im 100% in faver of lower caliber/bigger magazine/less recoil hand guns. But much praise to the 1911. I would carry it before i would any other 45 calibur pistol. (1911A1 anyway)
The 1911 is the best and most perfect all around handgun ever constructed. Bar none. I carry one as my preferred self defense weapon. Stopping power is more important than clip size. If you can’t hit your target it doesn’t matter how many bullets you have.
I love learning about world war one I just find it so facinating and I'm gonna tell my history teacher about this channel and see if he will learn something new
I have small hands and find the 1911 easy to hold and shoot. The recoil is mild in my opinion (I am used to 9mm in subcompact pistols). I am surprised that anyone would find it too big or too hard-recoiling.
