American Horror Story: NYC is (mostly) misunderstood 

me wanting a show to include more POC actors to represent the VERY diverse nature of the LGBT community during the AIDS crisis (which disproportionately affected black and indigenous communities) is not anti white

@@cainvarnerwhat’s crazy is that Murphy is one of the guys who made Pose.

Lol. Why, cuz he thinks some people of color should have been included in the cast? Y'all really show your asses at every opportunity huh?

Lol, why cuz he thought some more people of color should have been included in the cast? Y'all really show your asses at every opportunity huh?

It’s almost like New York is an inCREDIBLY diverse city that should be reflected in media representation

i think you misheard me because i don’t remember saying that😭😭

@@cainvarner Hahahah that's just where my brain went lol

that is quite the life experience you just laid down. i’m so sorry you had to live through that. with AHS it’s never going to be perfect but i felt like the ending at least took the crisis seriously which is something AHS almost never does. It could’ve been so much worse though like AHS Cult or In Asylum when they touched on the holocaust.

Leather daddies ❤ love them Also, you remember being 3?! I barely remember where I am half the time. It’s crazy to think how having aids was literally a banishment from society. And how that cover of time magazine with the man and his son who was dying of aids was what got peoples hearts involved. Ugh Nancy Regan 🤡 There is a great docu about the fight to be recognized by aids patients in the 80s I think it’s called how to survive a plague, I bet you would appreciate it as it’s from that time (and I think nyc!) you mention.

i can’t say that on this platform

@@cainvarner that's fair, I forget they don't censor the comments so we can say the things but you can't.

@@briannaobrien4419until you get auto deleted bc RU-vid does that so much. Sometimes I get auto removed bc I say d i e like wow I just d i e d of laughter and I get a pop up that says “you might have posted a comment that goes against our community rules” or something. Or when I jokingly called someone a dummy (their screen name was crash test doll something or other) and I got a “hate speech” pop up alert 😂

this fossil of a website is silencing us

the season has background characters that are POC but literally none of them are dark skinned and none of them are important 😭😭😭

It’s crazy that Ryan Murphy helped make Pose which was made up of such a diverse cast BUT he did not deliver that here in AHS nyc even though both of them are in the same place, same time, and same virus being spread.

@robbie9628 i have not watched pose but i don’t think it would be a stretch to say he purposefully didn’t diversify this season because he didn’t want to “copy” Pose. Although he’s copied his own work before so idk 😭

it’s almost in my top 3. if it had been more inclusive and a bit longer it would be pretty damn perfect for a season of AHS

@@cainvarnerEXACTLY!!

Bless your grandmother for her social work. ❤❤

Yeah NYC was written quite well and I enjoy it. I just prefer Delicate 10x better. I feel the writing in that season is also great, the characters hit more, the mystery is better and the cinematography, outfits and score all just hit way better. I love the style of Delicate and there is much more gore. The story and the plot twists are sooo good

@@Yousifdiyab I like delicate too, and I know it’s out of their control, but the big gap between parts 1 & 2 of the season is messing with my viewing experience

Even though it’s not the “”best”” season to exist it’s definitely one of the most consistent I think

100% agree

EXACTLY

Wow that is a good attempt at an excuse as to why there aren’t any gay women in the show. Ridiculous but a good attempt at least. A whole “we meant to do that, we are saying something by saying NOTHING” thing.

i understand why people dislike the season but i rank it in my top 5 or 6

i’m gonna slightly disagree with the fact that he used it only for horror. this is 100% presented as a tragedy in the end. the final 3-4 episodes really point the finger at the government and society for ignoring the gay community. the season is still far from perfect. the lack of diversity is so unfortunate and tone deaf, but they definitely don’t shy away from the fact that the AIDS crisis as a whole was a tragedy.

@@cainvarner actually you know what your right I love your videos btw

Plus he's hot lol

i’d give give it a shot but it’s definitely not for everyone! the ending is very very gut wrenching imo but some people didn’t. like it

Dahmer is so gross. Not bc of the story or gore but, it’s so gross. Exploitation esp knowing the family of many victims asked Murphy NOT to do the show. And I only saw the first two episodes I couldn’t watch anymore and I love horror but there was something just icky about it, you can tell a true crime story and it be done well but this was just a cash grab that was as gross and weird as possible for clicks.

He’s so good at summarizing with style and sass - I haven’t watched many of these seasons (season 1,2,3 and esp 5 are my favorites. Stopped watching after 6.) so it’s nice to know what happened without having to actually watch it bc … it’s … meh so often

they handled aids very well in the last few episodes in my opinion. like it’s not a AHS Cult situation which felt like a parody of the election. NYC actually takes itself seriously for the most part. It could’ve been way better but it’s ryan murphy it’s never going to be the best. i just thought the last 5 episodes really hit

@@cainvarner Thank you for saying this!!!! This is probably gonna be what changes my mind and convinces me to watch it I admit i was also recovering from Death Valley and american horror stories season 1 and couldn't bring myself to trust the quality with smth so personally sensitive I really appreciate all the effort you put into these videos and the effort in your replies too!!! Ive caught myself rewatching episodes just to better understand yours and other comments opinions and this series has really given me an opportunity to revisit AHS and find new things to appreciate :')

just be aware there are still some goofy side plots and random other issues lol

yeah half thw characters are serial killers torturers and perverts it goven half the killing was done by gay men to gay men it had a very strong "they had it coming" vibe sometimes it feels like a conservative wrote it.

Continually falling asleep is the most honest reaction to AHS I have ever heard.

holy shit you’re right it has only been twice- it felt like she always plays the lesbian but she mainly has played hetero roles 😭

She’s gay irl? I had no idea. That Tracks bc she’s gorgeous and I almost always seem to think gay women are hot (except Ana de armas and Ava green … yet … lol)

People get shouted down about this, and I’m not at all trying to be rude, but…there weren’t very many actual trans women during this period of time. The rewriting of history by certain people has made them think otherwise, but reality, from many people of varying perspectives I’ve spoken to, was very different.

@@notshylo Maybe not *open* trans women, but we definitely existed at that time. I wish there was, like, one trans lady as a character. There aren't many of us on TV, and I want that to change.

​@notshylo funny, I remember when I was growing up how my grandfather would say we shouldn't bother considering gay people because there aren't that many of them and that the media was forcing it on people to have them believe otherwise. Of course he wasn't meeting lots of gay people, so he must have been correct. I guess not much really changes huh.

​@notshylo Funny, I remember when I was growing up closeted, my grandfather would talk about how we shouldn't have to bother considering gay people cuz there aren't that many and how the media was forcing it on people to make us believe otherwise. I mean he wasn't meeting lots of (out) gay people, so he must have been correct right? Guess not much really changes huh.

I think that would’ve felt like Ryan Murphy was pulling too much inspiration from his other series Pose, which centers all around trans characters, during the 1980s-90s, during the AIDS crisis in NYC.

it’s getting harder and harder each time to make them haha i’m glad you like it!

yeah this cast a is a big problem. if it was 6-8 main characters and an episode or two longer it be a lot better

@@cainvarner I think they were just trying to do too much, and I had such a hard time even remembering how some characters were involved with others.

I have such a soft spot for simple things like that but i understand why people hated it

i have the opposite opinion of delicate lol

I hear nothing but negative things about delicate. And I swear I saw a still and Kim k was in it?? Eeehhhh. That makes me raise an eyebrow. I just wish they’d bring back Jessica Lange. She. Was. The. Best.

@@HeatherHolt Kim is actually a really good actress. At first the reviews were half negative half positive but more leaning to positive. Now, it’s mostly just negative due to the finale. I love the finale but it’s not for everyone. That doesn’t change my opinion. I say, watch the season and don’t let my opinion or anybody else’s effect yours. I agree Jessica Lange was great but those days with her in AHS are over.

but why does it need to be segregated? why can’t we just tell an accurate story and give people the opportunity to learn about what it was actually like? black and indigenous communities were disproportionately affected and not often times were not treated as much as white people were. AND it’s still an issue today. Completely ignoring that feels wrong to me.

I definitely get where you’re coming from but the 80’s were a different time. The 80’s were a very socially segregated time still. I believe this was a mostly accurate portrayal of that time. Looking at the times I know black people were very conservative when it came to sex and sexuality, and I believe that they already had a lot to deal with inside the black community. I think the presence of people of color in this subset in the 80’s was very scarce. Now if we were talking about 2010’s to present day then we would really see inclusivity in the subsets without inhibitions.

omg 😭😭😭 that’s so sweet yall don’t have to do that i only have 1 more season to do of AHS

@@cainvarner yeah, but you're going to keep making videos... At some point you'll need more stuff!

this season is about the horrors of the AIDS epidemic why would they get rid of “the weird AIDS” shit

@@cainvarner I mean things like aids putting fire to a building as you mentioned

Just think… someone got paid big bucks to do the audio and it turned out that bad

interesting take. i personally love NYC. Only issues for me are the lack of representation and some of the early episodes feel really fast paced

@@cainvarner I totally forgot about the cinematic montage in the last episode tho. I thought it was touching and quite beautiful.

As an autistic persin with sensory issues i think I would simply die

@@luthientinuviel3883plz don’t die ❤ imagine China, there are so many people cramped together and they’re so used to it they prefer it. My calculus professor is from China and she said the whole stuck in a crowd sensation is something they actually appreciate. I’d lose my mind I’m too claustrophobic.

i respectfully disagree, Delicate was a mess. NYC did such a good job in tackling its issues. In Delicate, i’m not even really sure what it’s trying to say

@@cainvarner I agree!! NYC is better than delicate to me. Shìt if we exclude that terrible last episode of red tide I’d even say that shit is better 🤣. As far as story telling. It’s so much then so much of nothing happening in delicate. Is the dead raccoon she coddles like a baby still in the bassinet?! Like wtf

Nyc is definitely better LMAO

I 100% agree with this. It was a fine season with a solid story and an emotional ending but felt totally disconnected from AHS. Delicate on the other hand is chefs kiss!! (Imo)

When the season was first coming out, it was disappointing to learn how they were trying to side step the writer’s/actor’s strike, but it’s turned out great. After a few underwhelming or out of place seasons, this one seems like regular AHS again

Interesting. Delicate is the first of the 2020’s seasons i have not liked as much(minus Death Valley).

I’m with you about Death Valley lol. I don’t think this current season is amazing or anything, but it’s interesting enough and I like that they’ve kind of gone back to the beginning in terms of supernatural plot lines, like witches and magic and all of that. They get points off for using a newer book for their major plot lines and characters, though. I’m sure it’s not exactly like the book, but it’s mostly the same I’ve heard

i’m still tired of them using that trope. dahmer came out the same year as this why do we need two harmful depictions of gay people in one year

It's still way too much. If you actually look at Ryan Murphys discography, especially like Cain said with that abominable Dahmer show coming out at the same time, Ryan Murphy has a really twisted obsession with serial killers and it shows in shows like this. AHS has already had MULTIPLE gay serial killers. I mean in the very first season, the background we get for the rubber man is that the costume was the result of a gay couple getting freaky and while obviously that doesn't make them responsible for it, the need to tie in a big part of that antagonist back to a gay couple and gay fetish wear is a really interesting choice when again you look at the trend that followed it. Hell, in Freak Show (which is my favorite season so thats how you know im being critical bc i love it), the first thing Dandy does when he decides he's going to become a serial killer is go to a gay bar and pick up a poor sex worker just to murder him. And let's not forget how Dell was a pos that season only for them to give him a toxic gay storyline. Like Cain said in the video this show is made for queer people and there's lots of good in it but especially in later seasons there is a very scary trend of obsessive focus on serial killers and gay serial killers and its ignorant to pretend Ryan Murphy does not regularly feed into some destructive narratives about gay men in particular. Like why do we need ANOTHER gay serial killer in a story. People act like it's this super common thing but the handful of gay serial killers in history are nothing compared to the plethora of straight serial killers and yet people don't wanna focus on that lmao

he honestly has some sick twisted murder fantasy i think

they were portraying that. it would’ve been historically inaccurate if they’d made the cops more sympathetic in my opinion

​​​​​@@cainvarner oh I meant that actually being one of the killings in the body episode. I haven't seen the season so I don't really know how it's portrayed! But if they covered that in the season elsewhere that's good Edit bc I have more thoughts: I definitely think its distasteful to present a common reason cops used to further demonise and dismiss gay people as a reality in a tv show about this topic. Its giving demonising the kink/bdsm scene as a whole when that was a really important and significant part of gay history (I think making the representation of aids a leather daddy also gives this a bit) and it all makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. But like I say I haven't seen the season itself but my point was absolutely not that cops should have gotten a more sympathetic edit because that was not my intention at all

she died of AIDS

it’s surprisingly done well by the end. there are some issues with the horror elements but i think they did a good job when all was said and done.

saying the AIDS epidemic effect white gay men more than black and indigenous men is wrong because white gay men took priority in hospitals and homeless shelters and STILL to this day do. the LGBT community would also be absolutely nowhere without black trans women so completely ignoring them in a season that HEAVILY focuses on LGBT communities is…a choice for sure.

oh goodness

ok? when has AHS actually ever been scary tho?

Real life horrors will always be more terrifying than boring ghosts and slay queen witches sorry