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American Psycho, Baudrillard and the Postmodern Condition 

Jonas Čeika - CCK Philosophy
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I had to do a voice-over in the video when I said "Simulacra and Simulation" and it sounds strange and out-of-place, but actually fits with the theme because it highlights the unreality of what you're watching.
Also I goddamn said that Bateman records a voice message on Allen's phone, when it was clearly a tape recorder. I bet people will point that out in the comments.
Recommended introductory reading on Baudrillard:
"Jean Baudrillard" by Douglas Kellner in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - plato.stanford.edu/entries/ba...
"Jean Baudrillard: From Marxism to Postmodernism and Beyond" by Douglas Kellner - pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/...
I quoted Baudrillard from
"The System of Objects" page 15 - monoskop.org/images/2/28/Baud...
"America" pages 32-33 in the pdf - monoskop.org/images/a/ac/Baud...

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@i.l.l.l.l.
@i.l.l.l.l. 5 лет назад
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's post-modern philosophical film analysis
@itkojecockot
@itkojecockot 4 года назад
he hasn't come back from London yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ErkaaJ
@ErkaaJ 4 года назад
The subtle astute Marxist remark on character development. Oh my god. He even has a Hegelian footnote.
@Mark-lp9ke
@Mark-lp9ke 4 года назад
This made my day 😂
@daniellos333
@daniellos333 4 года назад
Laughed out loud
@jennifertym7966
@jennifertym7966 4 года назад
@@itkojecockot I thought he was returning some videotapes
@me_lero
@me_lero 4 года назад
No annoying sounds, no music, no ads. I love the peaceful side of RU-vid.
@korwi7373
@korwi7373 2 года назад
eigenchris vibes
@camvick407
@camvick407 Год назад
I've had youtube red for years. I forgot ads were on till a friend showed me on his phone. If you live in youtube i recommend.
@camimahieu
@camimahieu Год назад
... ads are on
@john-paulhunt3017
@john-paulhunt3017 Год назад
walks on alone as the exposing of people's real sides is why i do not lose any sleep in ditching people from my life.
@RealMephres
@RealMephres Год назад
@@camimahieu Not enabled by Jonas Ceika.
@Mika-ko6gp
@Mika-ko6gp 3 года назад
I like how the subtitles keep finding creative and unique ways of spelling Baudrillard.
@plato8427
@plato8427 Год назад
Baudry Ah
@icosahedron3408
@icosahedron3408 Год назад
One of the best things in the book that doesn't really translate into the movie is how every single time a character appears, Patrick goes through an exhaustive list of every single clothing item they're wearing and what brand it's from. Beyond these clothings lists, there's almost nothing in the book about how any of the characters actually look.
@unimpressedalchemist
@unimpressedalchemist 20 дней назад
Except all those "hardbodies- blonde, big tits"
@hitchman84
@hitchman84 6 лет назад
So, let's see: Christian Bale uses Tom Cruise as inspiration for his performance as Patrick Bateman. Patrick Bateman has an elevator encounter with Tom Cruise in the novel. In the novel Bateman is at one point called Patrick "Batman." Christian Bale plays Batman in Batman Begins where he bangs Catie Holmes, one of Cruise's ex-wives. Another of Cruise's ex-wives, Nicole Kidman, is banged by Batman in Batman Forever. What does it MEAN...
@CybermanKing
@CybermanKing 5 лет назад
Objects: 1. Subject: Error not found
@1OSfan17
@1OSfan17 5 лет назад
Christian bale is a character actor. If he based his character of Tom cruise. That dude was living as Tom cruise, for God's sake he starved himself because of a typo in a script. Great performance nonetheless.
@michaelprawira2741
@michaelprawira2741 5 лет назад
sharp analysis lol
@socdemigod
@socdemigod 5 лет назад
These are the kind of layered "coincidences" you can find if you watch most of David Lynch's catalog...
@DoveAlexa
@DoveAlexa 5 лет назад
It means drink less coffee after midnight :P
@jayk3548
@jayk3548 4 года назад
Saw this video at a Baudrillard museum exhibit in Shanghai! Congrats
@doodoobrn
@doodoobrn 3 года назад
Surprised react
@loveulez
@loveulez 3 года назад
lol wtf China
@loveulez
@loveulez 3 года назад
The whole fucking country is a Baudrillard exhibit you don't need a museum.
@andremeIIo
@andremeIIo 3 года назад
@@loveulez it's the very irony of the situation that transcends reality and elevates its very existence into the hyperreal. I say that the fact that the museum is not needed that makes it necessary, for its emptiness echoes the greater emptiness of actual meaning.
@TheButterMinecart1
@TheButterMinecart1 3 года назад
@@loveulez Aren't you talking about the United States?
@-Cinderman
@-Cinderman 4 года назад
Christian Bale's observation of Tom Cruise gave me chills. "An INTENSE friendliness with nothing behind the eyes." THOSE are the fucking psychos for SURE!
@johnthreesixteen5643
@johnthreesixteen5643 2 года назад
Go watch that interview...tom cruise admits getting whole of the oxygen of a guy next to him so that he coule have more himself so the guy fell asleep....and he was laughing...that is dangerous
@angelofdeath275
@angelofdeath275 2 года назад
that explains CEO as well....literally nothing behind the eyes
@FlackooPretty
@FlackooPretty 2 года назад
When did he say this?
@handler_music
@handler_music Год назад
Sometimes you just don't want to connect
@marcpadilla1094
@marcpadilla1094 Год назад
Just a performance. What about Letterman. Both authentic performers. Or maybe thats just our newly enlightened disposition. Our self organizing ( simulations) to adapt to simulations. Object to object. Inauthentically what Satre calls bad faith. Object to object wise. Structurelism. Is this why narratives and trends are so desirable. Subjective necromancing.
@UedoJP
@UedoJP 5 лет назад
My favorite part is the fact that no one even notices that "acquisitions" is spelled wrong on the business cards- it's not important.
@ethanstump
@ethanstump 4 года назад
Really they don't care what everyone's doing, they don't even care about anything, not even themselves. This movie is specifically about loss of meaning, even the things that Should be meaningful. even Bateman slaughtering people, means nothing. that nothing is real to them. even when Bateman tries to be meaningful by rebeling, by killing, and confessing to his lawyer, he is helpless, stuck in a reality that won't even give him the decency of a shared reality. Because they don't share the same reality. It's all lies spun not only by him, but his lawyer, his coworkers, and all around him. as much as this story is about loss of individual identity, it is also about the loss of collective identity as well. That when everyone is the same, we are no longer collective, because a collective denotes many. When we become rigidly the same, we no longer lose individual identity, but a collective as well.
@dasein9980
@dasein9980 3 года назад
@@ethanstump I think what you're saying in the last bit there is that a society or collective needs to have diversity or uniqueness of persons.
@ethanstump
@ethanstump 3 года назад
@@dasein9980my intention of that part was talking about how overly enforcing orthodoxy usually kills any sort of idea of change, which usually leads to the movements stagnation, and then leads to either a spin off group, or a disbandment. more a diversity of opinions really. but yeah, diversity of persons is just as important.
@dmay3391
@dmay3391 3 года назад
"t's not important." *Yet, you notices something important to you. A value of subjectivity.*
@khyrianstorms
@khyrianstorms 2 года назад
Or that they're both Vice President and don't have their own number.
@xenophon8958
@xenophon8958 3 года назад
im leaving, ive assessed the situation and uh, im going.
@freddybeer
@freddybeer 3 года назад
Gotta return some video tapes, eh?
@mjolninja9358
@mjolninja9358 3 года назад
@@freddybeer yes *Video Tapes*
@justinlevy274
@justinlevy274 3 года назад
You're not terribly important to me
@1992AJL
@1992AJL 6 лет назад
I find it interesting how often filmmakers/authors use modern and postmodern design objects to signify psychopaths or villains. You know a bad guy usually by his impeccable taste for designer furniture. Flemming even named Goldfinger after the modernist architect of the same name.
@dmay3391
@dmay3391 3 года назад
Good point, Terminator loved a good bidet. Joker really had a spreed for supper on that love couch that looked like a taxi. Some people think Sauron and Thanos had impeccable taste I'm sure.
@mattrichter7502
@mattrichter7502 2 года назад
@@dmay3391 Sauron really went against the grain of contemporary design philosophy in middle earth; he took the concept of idealized marble medieval architecture and turned it on his head, creating a vast, open landscape of volcanic ash, and giant structures that resembled the harsh environment while blending in with them. I think he used the architecture as a metaphor for the oppressed people he represented, the desolate reservation the orcs are relegated to because of the color of their skin. He was really misunderstood in his time.
@TrailBlazer5280
@TrailBlazer5280 Год назад
As a villain they are perfectly in tune with the system that controls us, in charge, dominating it and their victims
@BillOrrickMusic
@BillOrrickMusic Год назад
like Humbert Humbert's "fancy prose style"
@afrofantom6631
@afrofantom6631 Год назад
@@BillOrrickMusic excellent observation, you just blew my mind lol
@mikebaker33
@mikebaker33 6 лет назад
For those who are interested. Baudrillard was a pupil of Henri Lefebvre and was heavily inspired by his teacher. Most important work by Lefebvre was "Critique of Everyday Life" (1947) which btw also inspired the Situationists.
@batlash1
@batlash1 4 года назад
Thanks. Both Lefebvre and the Situationists remained more directly political which is a plus.
@thextopher
@thextopher 5 лет назад
The analysis of the meaning of Reagan with regards to the Actor/President dichotomy is particularly interesting with regards to Trump as President/Reality TV Star. The move from Actor to Actor acting as President to Actor, acting as Real Person, acting as President has some implications which should be analysed. Also the similarities/differences between MacLuhan's analysis of the Kennedy/Nixon debates with regards to Radio versus Television reception and the similarities/differences between Obama and Trump's use of social media. Also the differences between Obama and McCain versus Clinton and Trump. Obama had a slick, designed media campaign which presented itself as 'real' to a populace who received it as such. McCain's capaign moved along traditional axes, and suffered as a result of not being engaging. Clinton's campaign developed and extrapolated Obama's but was not so warmly received by a public who were able to identify the simulacra. Whilst Trump's campaign was not so reliant on reality, embraced a 'post-truth' society and is a pretty fitting of what Baudrillard might today call Hyperreality.
@dasein9980
@dasein9980 5 лет назад
I think you are overstating the importance of social media, especially with regard to Obama v. McCain, it wasnt that important.
@dasein9980
@dasein9980 5 лет назад
Trump represents the perfect culmination of the idea of Amerixa.
@verapamil07
@verapamil07 4 года назад
Trump is the realest president in the last 50 years. He uses tricks that all other presidents used of course. However, his behaviour is aligned with his actions and he was extremely rich prior to joining politics so one reason less to act fake. Trump is not only a "reality TV star", it is dishonest to present him in that way. I think many postmodern philosophers invent fake language and unscientific theories that can't be refuted, similar to popular psychology.
@liveecarbme
@liveecarbme 4 года назад
Reminds me of the line from Fight Club: Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy.
@JohnnyArtPavlou
@JohnnyArtPavlou 4 года назад
Plus the Dems sandbagged Bernie.
@Onlyhas99
@Onlyhas99 6 лет назад
I think I need to buy some Ikea stuff. Apparently my house is a mixture of fascism and patriarchy
@Erika-gn1tv
@Erika-gn1tv 6 лет назад
All power to IKEA, our liberator.
@Muykle
@Muykle 6 лет назад
Make your own furniture then. Sieze the means of your own house.
@lupo-femme
@lupo-femme 6 лет назад
You have nothing to loose but your chairs.
@Torus2112
@Torus2112 6 лет назад
But the collapse of my house is inevitable due to inherent flaws in the structure.
@Catmomila
@Catmomila 6 лет назад
+Torus2112 The contradiction of gravity pulling my house down by its own weight and the walls keeping it from falling means that its destruction is inevitable!
@ConstantThrowing
@ConstantThrowing 6 лет назад
This was awesome.
@JM-zt8vq
@JM-zt8vq 6 лет назад
Hyperreality is taken to the extreme today. Where technology is our true reality and our lives are support structures there to facilitate our cyber lifestyle.
@MrMikkyn
@MrMikkyn 6 лет назад
Joseph Mikolash Nietzsche warned of the Hyperreality in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. “The Last Man” was what Nietzsche predicted about about Man’s Decline. From the Academy of Ideas: The Last Man is the individual who specializes not in creation, but in consumption. In the midst of satiating base pleasures, he claims to have “discovered happiness” by virtue of the fact that he lives in the most technologically advanced and materially luxurious era in human history. But this self-infatuation of the Last Man conceals an underlying resentment, and desire for revenge. On some level, the Last Man knows that despite his pleasures and comforts, he is empty and miserable. With no aspiration and no meaningful goals to pursue, he has nothing he can use to justify the pain and struggle needed to overcome himself and transform himself into something better. He is stagnant in his nest of comfort, and miserable because of it. This misery does not render him inactive, but on the contrary, it compels him to seek victims in the world. He cannot bear to see those who are flourishing and embodying higher values, and so he innocuously supports the complete de-individualization of every person in the name of equality. The Last Man’s utopia is one in which total equality is maintained not from without, by an oppressive ruling class, but from within, through the “evil-eye” of envy and ridicule. “No herdsman and one herd. Everyone wants the same thing, everyone is the same: whoever thinks otherwise goes voluntarily into the madhouse.” (Thus Spake Zarathustra)
@Randall_Kildare
@Randall_Kildare 5 лет назад
*NO* ! ! ! ! It's NOT! ! ! ! That's why everyone has gone bibbeldy these days, faces glued to little glowing devices... Turn the shit off & go out & live, for cryin' out loud!
@LancesArmorStriking
@LancesArmorStriking 4 года назад
While that's statistically true in some sense, the declaration itself is imprecise both in scale and context. Is that an admission of what's happening right now, or a statement of what ought to be? How many people are actually doing it? What does 'cyber lifestyle' mean? What activities does it distinguish itself with, from 'real' life?
@shorx9199
@shorx9199 3 года назад
Bruh i like this interpretation
@suedoriasue3400
@suedoriasue3400 3 года назад
@Stale Bagelz Existential crisis maybe?
@mountaingoat3486
@mountaingoat3486 4 года назад
The ad before this video was for a Barbie cake decorator.
@dmay3391
@dmay3391 3 года назад
Ad's are catered to the search results for any particular user. You saying your browsing history is the same as people that buy Barbie cake decorators.
@mountaingoat3486
@mountaingoat3486 3 года назад
@@dmay3391 I think you missed the joke buddy.
@ubelmensch
@ubelmensch 5 лет назад
I have to return some videotapes
@liamdhardy
@liamdhardy 4 года назад
I love it when people say this in the comments, it's so funny and original.
@tahsina.c
@tahsina.c 4 года назад
@@liamdhardy Liam, you're not terribly important to me
@vahdettinsefali
@vahdettinsefali 3 года назад
some videotapes
@rosehipp
@rosehipp 3 года назад
@@vahdettinsefali underrated two times joke
@AstroLizard
@AstroLizard 6 лет назад
You made me want to watch the movie again. You're doing a great job explaining somewhat complicated philosophical ideas.
@vallraffs
@vallraffs 6 лет назад
The book was pretty hard to read for me. The descriptions of 80s products and fashionware just go on and on, it's maddening.
@_hyzer
@_hyzer 6 лет назад
that's exactly what ellis wanted you to feel. his madness.
@JM-zt8vq
@JM-zt8vq 6 лет назад
That's what good art does. He uses the descriptions to overwhelm you with the meaningless of it. To create that feeling of boredom and frustration that he sees in the culture around him.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 6 лет назад
I like the use of Phil Collins as this guy's music taste.
@lupo-femme
@lupo-femme 6 лет назад
You think Ellis is too obsessive? Wait until you read Madame Bovary or In Search Of Lost Time. Sometimes I believe Ellis is exposing the dark side of the whole phenomenological obsessiveness present in both Proust and Flaubert's works.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 6 лет назад
I.N.F. L.X. True... But i didnt see much connection, its still not so meta. Reminds me more of the 60s Realist Experimentalists
@pejsacek
@pejsacek Год назад
Oh wow thanks to you Ive read both American Psycho (in 14 days) and like half of Simulacra (in 1 month), both of them absolutely unbearable and brilliant. I gotta say Im just so glad to have found your channel - you are like the one friend whom Ive always wanted to have, the one who "gets" it and has good books to recommend. Keep on going.
@HiAdrian
@HiAdrian 5 лет назад
9:45 I'm so glad this is being recognized. I've seen Cruise be like this in films too; it was so pronounced in some scenes that I'm surprised they made it to the screen that way. I find it quite unsettling, especially in real life encounters.
@wt_neptune54
@wt_neptune54 5 лет назад
This seems to be a pretty universal reaction to Tom Cruise lol I was just surprised Bale would say something on the matter.
@totesmygoats-bq8mk
@totesmygoats-bq8mk 4 года назад
He's a Scientologist what do you expect
@Derlaid
@Derlaid 6 лет назад
Has anyone pointed out the similarities between the commodity listing in American Psycho and Ready Player One? Because now I notice it, it's pretty uncanny. The personality-less main character and banal existence in a world full of meaningless, disposable consumer objects. The comment on hyperreality, the lack of distinction between the Real and the Virtual...there's a lot there to examine I think!
@bernardeugenio
@bernardeugenio 6 лет назад
Derlaid i was thinking more about our current media. films are rarely stories about people, they are mythologies, commercials, extremelly self referencial, click bait. even many romantic comedies are rarely about Real romantic stories, the characters are archtypes, even presenting ones that only exist in romantic comedies. many times events are more about our expectation than the event itself.
@bernardeugenio
@bernardeugenio 6 лет назад
in the case of RP1, what i read is the book is not a comment on this situation, but rather the condition itself. this becomes clear, from what i read second handly, in the author's second book where gamers save the world again with all the nostalgia involved and again with carachters being merely archtypes.
@Derlaid
@Derlaid 6 лет назад
oh absolutely, the book isn't self-aware of its spectacle, but I see the parallels between the two books nonetheless.
@bernardeugenio
@bernardeugenio 6 лет назад
maybe instead of "archetypes" a better word would be "signs"
@bernardeugenio
@bernardeugenio 6 лет назад
Derlaid an important feature of RP0 is that the characters fight for the Virtual world instead of the Real world. one of the main criticisms of the film, from what i have read.
@Sam_on_YouTube
@Sam_on_YouTube 4 года назад
I wrote about this film in my Freshman Existentialism writing seminar. It was probably one of the first ever existentialist discussions of the film (though I'm sure there was already plenty about the book). It wasn't anything special, but the film was still in theaters when I wrote it, so it was very early.
@horrorhabit8421
@horrorhabit8421 2 года назад
I love Bret Easton Ellis's book. It's almost unbearable at times, but that just adds to the horror.
@m_alcoves
@m_alcoves Год назад
This video is certainly one of my favorites in this channel! I always thought of the objects in American Psycho but never focused on them in that specific approach, in which allows to show us how determining these objects actually are.
@MrZeyami
@MrZeyami 5 лет назад
Been in my recommended for weeks and I'm glad I finally gave it a shot. You do a really good job with the given material. I usually brush off channels like this one b/c I feel they don't handle their source material well.
@user-qb3jg8ep9t
@user-qb3jg8ep9t 6 лет назад
The name of the channel is a bit misleading, you risk getting mixed up with the brainlet sceptic peanut gallery, Red Pill Philosophy and the like. Keep up the the good work, I subscribed
@calebcostigan2561
@calebcostigan2561 4 года назад
Because being a communist is so much better.
@nonokraan6567
@nonokraan6567 3 года назад
@@calebcostigan2561 Glad you agree!
@Ammoniumbicarbonat
@Ammoniumbicarbonat 3 года назад
@@nonokraan6567 Just waiting to see a successful example of that...
@ilnec
@ilnec 5 лет назад
first video of yours I've watched, I didn't expect much going in, but was honestly surprised at how well it was made. keep it up, please.
@comradefreedom8275
@comradefreedom8275 2 года назад
I just saw American Psycho for the first time (a decision inspired by this video, by the way), and yeah, this analysis is spot on. I think the way you described Bateman could be said about everyone else as well. Charming smiles, no actual self.
@jeremyc4664
@jeremyc4664 5 лет назад
If you liked American Psych you should read Don DeLillo’s debut novel Americana. Published 20 years earlier it’s way ahead of its time. He writes about a character, that fits perfectly into the Reagan era yuppie mould, slowly losing any sense of personality deeper than surface appearance. A prophetic work on hypermediation and the centrality of sign-value in postmodern culture.
@kenmina-hs1wb
@kenmina-hs1wb 5 лет назад
I would like to thank you for these great videos you ve been uploading. It is clear how much love you put into your content
@megaperl
@megaperl 5 лет назад
My most sincere and enthusiastic "thanks" for this video. Being a frequent reader of Baudrillard, but also of Ellis, who humbly tried to put together a couple of Culture Jamming conferences, I now regret not having found your impressive channel before. (I'll definitely check your Patreon profile). Un cordial saludo from Zürich.
@MalcH
@MalcH 6 лет назад
I love your content. You never disappoint!
@bradpitt1873
@bradpitt1873 5 лет назад
Woah! This opened me up to a bunch of whole new concepts and ideas, not the basic ones I could have formulated in my head. My mind is blown.
@ImtheHitcher
@ImtheHitcher 3 года назад
How has this only been recommended to me now!? Two years after upload and 10 years since I had to study Baudrillard. Great video, subscribed
@erikkarlsson8556
@erikkarlsson8556 6 лет назад
Thank you for making this video, it's really well made, and i can see that you poured your heart into it. Keep up the good work!
@ArcadeStunfisk
@ArcadeStunfisk 5 лет назад
I am a huge fan of Baudrillard and find his work absolutely fascinating. This video was awesome to watch and I only wish it was longer!
@BeautifulEarthJa
@BeautifulEarthJa Год назад
Ditto
@chazzbranigaan9354
@chazzbranigaan9354 Год назад
God this video is such a masterpiece, come back to watch this one every few months
@analoguenerd9285
@analoguenerd9285 4 года назад
Very impressive video! I watched this recently in Shanghai at Baudrillard's exhibition in Power Station of Art. The analysis is simple but efficient. Thanks for making it!
@duendex5
@duendex5 8 месяцев назад
This channel is great. Thanks for putting this video eassays out there
@aafinity396
@aafinity396 5 лет назад
i can see how jean baudrillard's over abundance of euphemisms, adjectives and metaphors can get on the reader's nerves when trying to understand his point(s) or what hes trying to communicate. otherwise, when you can unpack it, its fairly comprehensive, and learning a little about structuralism haha
@celebrimborblue5052
@celebrimborblue5052 6 лет назад
Your videos are a breath of fresh air.
@edumazieri
@edumazieri 8 месяцев назад
Wow, that's the best explanation I've found for these topics. So quick and concise. Amazingly well done, thank you!
@MotiveCap
@MotiveCap 4 года назад
Amazing work! Enjoyed it and I like that you point to philosophers and further reading.
@wandersgion4989
@wandersgion4989 6 лет назад
You’re the only other person that I know of who has interpreted the ending of American Psycho in that manner, but I think you are correct.
@rishi2463
@rishi2463 Год назад
Can you please explain it to me again? I didn't totally get it. Did the murders happen? If so, how was the room empty where he kept the bodies?
@giorgitatarashvili3875
@giorgitatarashvili3875 3 года назад
Great analysis man. I had a thesis on Cultural logic of late Capitalism. Your analysis really helped me to put together pastiche and simulacra and to find key differences between Jameson's and Baudrillard's approaches.
@james555c
@james555c 3 года назад
I love the analogy of the toothpaste effect. Great to see a video covering American phycho in this depth I've always loved the concept of this movie, all the subtleties that alot of people don't bother to pay no mind to really makes the film so great. It's a great representation of how things are now great video
@dialecticalveganegoist1721
@dialecticalveganegoist1721 5 лет назад
I am so lucky you don't have alot of videos, otherwise I wouldn't be able to study today. I love your videos man, easy to follow and interesting!
@internationalhouseofpancak8333
@internationalhouseofpancak8333 4 года назад
Simulacra and Simulation? This is the exact book that Neo stores his small CD's of spyware in the movie Matrix
@jacobjorgenson9285
@jacobjorgenson9285 4 года назад
His book was empty....
@freddybeer
@freddybeer 3 года назад
Also the same book Keanu was required to read before he took on the role.
@sanghelian
@sanghelian 3 года назад
Didnt baudrillard denounce matrix for that? Misrepresentation of his book?
@wandersgion4989
@wandersgion4989 6 лет назад
Your best video essay so far. Keep up the great analyses.
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 6 лет назад
Wanders Gion Agreed
@olanmcevoy8581
@olanmcevoy8581 5 лет назад
Loved this video and have subscribed! American Psycho (both book and the film) was one of my favourites from being a teenager, way before I had read any philosophy or cultural theory. Great to find that there's more to be taken from going back to it!
@bassam.2023
@bassam.2023 4 года назад
This video was so interesting, I wish it had been an hour long. Bravo!
@jonwhite8815
@jonwhite8815 5 лет назад
I already loved American Psycho, but this greatly increased my appreciation of it. I'd love more videos about movies.
@DrumWild
@DrumWild 6 лет назад
The most difficult part of reading "American Psycho" was the chapter when he runs through all of these brand names. I'd not heard of most of them before. It reminded me of the first time that I read "Finnegans Wake." As a person who has Asperger's, I have consistently found it difficult to fit in, especially in the workplace. The more I think about it, the more I have concluded that maybe copying the behaviors of Patrick Bateman might be a good idea. That's not to say that killing is something to do. Rather, it might be best to play along with the charade. Go along with the illusion. Give the delusional whose identity is confined to the corporate organizational chart positions what they want: A mirror. People like this need constant validation. This is why they do not like people who have gaps in employment during interviews. It shows that the interviewee does not play the game, which does not validate their playing of the game. The very existence of a person like me, with these gaps, threatens their delicate illusion. It drives their fear to the point that they will say horrible things, such as, *_"Ah, I see that you have a few years of not working. What did you do during that time? Kick back, relax and take it easy?"_* That is the verbal embodiment of their internal fear, which is all that they truly have inside. Is it possible to compartmentalize it all, so that I could keep my internal self, which is substantial only to me, in a safe place, while allowing an external shell of hollow platitudes in place? The advice of "just be yourself" has turned out to be THE absolute worst idea ever. Tell someone at work about your hobbies, interests, or personal life, and you're effectively giving them ammunition to use against you whenever they wish. It's a dirty game. My options are to either play it or starve to death.
@dasein9980
@dasein9980 5 лет назад
Yes, we are at the whims of narcissistic neurotypicals who run the system.
@areez22
@areez22 5 лет назад
@@dasein9980 Was this an attempt to be anti-current-economic system?
@areez22
@areez22 5 лет назад
DrumWild, yes.
@Xorreau
@Xorreau 5 лет назад
This is exactly what I feel Andrew Yang is trying to address (with the risk of sounding like a bot).
@briangoodman1779
@briangoodman1779 4 года назад
Almost all interactions require you to 'play it'. It's probably only when you're alone can you 'be yourself'.
@hugosaurus
@hugosaurus 4 года назад
I keep rewatching this video, amazing work man
@jacobb8397
@jacobb8397 5 лет назад
I liked this a lot, thanks for putting so much effort into your vids man
@Finnnicus
@Finnnicus 6 лет назад
My boy John out here really doing some analysis
@aliinga
@aliinga 5 лет назад
Great video that helped me grasp a lot of aspects of the movie I initially couldn't make sense of. One question: I am a bit confused by how seamlessly structuralism and postmodernism are drawn together. In the essay they appear like related ideas, but they are quite opposing. I guess my question is, where or how does the essay draw a difference between these two ideas for its analysis?
@brokenlegend23
@brokenlegend23 5 лет назад
My favorit vid of yours. Absolutely love your channel mate.
@DW-tc6du
@DW-tc6du 5 лет назад
this was very well done, congratulations! truly a video essay to be proud of
@rf-uj5sc
@rf-uj5sc 6 лет назад
The more I am listening to content about postmodernism, the more interesting it sounds. Thanks for explaining it in laymen terms.
@atheistcrusader1160
@atheistcrusader1160 3 года назад
Are you for postmoderism? Why? Why not?
@laurioho2041
@laurioho2041 Год назад
i love postmodern philosophy, its killing me inside
@williamm.9429
@williamm.9429 6 лет назад
i love this channel
@MLouah-gp9ef
@MLouah-gp9ef 5 лет назад
William M. such a post modern comment
@Wolcik3000
@Wolcik3000 5 лет назад
artistic choice of words
@ludwigwittgenduck3282
@ludwigwittgenduck3282 4 года назад
Why is it called 'cuck' philosophy? I feel like there's some level of subversive irony that's eluding me....
@marco252005
@marco252005 4 года назад
@@ludwigwittgenduck3282 here here.
@huaijiutv
@huaijiutv 4 года назад
This video gives the deepest Patreon acknowledgement I've ever heard. Keep up the good work!
@yungpableezy69
@yungpableezy69 5 лет назад
this video just showed up on my recommended and combines my 2 favorite things postmodernism and american psycho, thank you so much
@brendananderson9102
@brendananderson9102 3 года назад
7:00 I did say once to a friend about this movie. "They have more in common with the chairs they're sitting in, than in one another."
@JohnMoseley
@JohnMoseley 5 лет назад
I'm currently reading Joan Didion's essay collection _Political Fictions_ which is excellent anyway and excellent in particular on Reagan as an empty shell. In terms of both his work practices and his personal involvement with his material, whether film scripts or policy, she makes it clear with testimony from those who worked with him, he never really stopped being a B-list actor reciting lines.
@greenvelvet
@greenvelvet 10 месяцев назад
I must have watched this video over 100 times. An amazing video essay, rich with interesting ideas that I continuously go back to
@craigpointon8394
@craigpointon8394 3 года назад
Incredible. Thanks for your work!
@businessman2085
@businessman2085 5 лет назад
I really liked this video even though I understood almost none of it.
@deonrichards841
@deonrichards841 4 года назад
The fact that you liked it and took the time to comment , already puts you on the path of understanding BM
@WeatheredPeach
@WeatheredPeach 6 лет назад
This... hit kinda close to home, haha. I really should read more Baudrillard.
@commwave5820
@commwave5820 6 лет назад
Great work as usual. Hope to see more videos soon.
@FeelingPhilosophical
@FeelingPhilosophical 2 года назад
Amazing video with very illustrative examples. Subscribed!
@antinatalistcougar
@antinatalistcougar 6 лет назад
Excellent explanation of a postmodern philosopher as critiquing the postmodern condition. I think some people are confusing the postmodern condition for postmodern philosophy - then concluding that postmodern philosophy is psychopathic - but your video explains the relationship as condition & critique. We are literally products of our environment. Thank You.
@jonasceikaCCK
@jonasceikaCCK 6 лет назад
Yes! That's a distinction I've been wanting to point out. Postmodern theory as a philosophy is different from postmodernity as a historical stage. One can identify the time we live in as postmodern, while still being critical of postmodernism. Just like Nietzsche identified modern times as nihilistic, while himself (contrary to a lot of mistaken categorizations) being anti-nihilist.
@antinatalistcougar
@antinatalistcougar 6 лет назад
Wow! I've never heard that description of Nietzsche before. Thank You!
@KamalFansa
@KamalFansa 6 лет назад
Always fun to listen to what you have to say
@RasierapparaT
@RasierapparaT Год назад
I really like the style of your videos. Also impressive analysis!
@ageispolis6960
@ageispolis6960 6 лет назад
Very well done video, I look forward to more content from you!
@aliciadonadio2597
@aliciadonadio2597 6 лет назад
This is some high quality youtube content...
@comradeblanshard1944
@comradeblanshard1944 2 года назад
Did someone say NFT?
@atreuslione1013
@atreuslione1013 6 лет назад
Good stuff, as usual. My favorite book from Baudrillard is "Consumer Society"
@azhash3
@azhash3 4 года назад
Prob the most clear and understandeable analysis of this movie on YT, thanks for the explanations
@rubbeldiekatz85
@rubbeldiekatz85 4 года назад
Never understood the appeal of Sargon of Akkad when there is content like this out there.
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 4 года назад
Korean Jesus hardly of interest to the same audience, you ‘progressive’ dolt.
@rubbeldiekatz85
@rubbeldiekatz85 4 года назад
@@nhmooytis7058 It's not just a lack of interest. Sargon is also incredibly dumb.
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 4 года назад
Korean Jesus unlike you who is a fucking genius.Sarg has 900+K subs. You have 62, 61 of whom are likely you,. ROFL.
@rubbeldiekatz85
@rubbeldiekatz85 4 года назад
@@nhmooytis7058 It's hilarious that you think an appropriate measure for intelligence is someone's amount of subscribers. I can think of plenty of people you'd have nothing but contempt for who are far more impactful than Sargon. On a side note: I'm not a content creator. You're comparing apples with oranges. I guess on your terms Anita Sarkeesian must be a fucking brain genious because she is also very popular and successful.
@awadafuk4863
@awadafuk4863 4 года назад
NHMO OYTIS You’ve really missed the point, Sargon’s a bad faith debate who uses sneaky techniques to promote an ‘immigration bad’ narrative through which he can thrust forth Brexit and other ideological matters.
@franzhaas3712
@franzhaas3712 5 лет назад
THIS WAS WELL DONE. I SMILE AS MY EGO SMILES BACK AT ME. YES MY COMPLEMENT IS ABOUT ME. AS IF THIS WRITING MATTERS.
@abdullahkauchali3896
@abdullahkauchali3896 6 лет назад
This is excellently presented! Subscribed immediately. It would be nice to see you do one for how DT fits into the "postmodern"/Baudrillard transparency explanation.
@filippom.2999
@filippom.2999 3 года назад
Thank you for this video! It really inspired me to know more about Baudrillard
@nelsonphillips
@nelsonphillips 6 лет назад
There is a lot of people that really don't like Baudrillard, personally I think he is very interesting. Particular interest to me is he notion of simulacra. When playing around with his ideas I incorporated the idea of the simulacra directly into the subject of cognition. Here the sign value becomes more constrained, but is consistent with the thoughts able to be products of themselves. In pure thought, thoughts can be removed of consequence. Problematic thoughts have consequences when they are correspond to actions. Without these actions the inside does not matter...................... Question is a thought a sign or a signifier? Nice video. Reminded me of how much I like Baudrillard and it almost made me write a really long piece here.;-)
@zui
@zui 5 лет назад
I think its interesting that you take american psycho as an example even tho i have a very different opinion about the movie it fits the narrative but there is one difference you might want to consider this, batemans actions cant be taken as reality, there are many signs pointing to him only hallucinating, for example the scene where the ATM tells him to feed it a stray cat, the body that was hidden in the closet that just disappears, the scene where he rampages with a chainsaw and nobody seems to care, even if these people didnt care about him murdering they would most likely care about him making noise If you view it from this perspective tho the point you made still holds up, in batemans world everyone is a clone of each other, same clothes, hairstyle, lifestyle. They still try to differentiate themselves from each other in little things without stopping to be clone, thats why its so important to them that theire absolutely identical looking business cards are made out of different materials, even tho you wouldnt be able to tell the difference if they didnt tell you. This is why bateman has gone crazy, he wishes he was a serial killer to so he would be drastically different from everyone else, to finally not be just another clone, he wants to break out of his lifestyle so badly but in the end it is impossible. He basically wants to escape the objects that own him, the people that embody himself and in the most extreme way, he wants to kill them. But he cant escape his condition.
@dasein9980
@dasein9980 5 лет назад
You completely missed the meaning of AP if you think Bateman merely imagined or hallucinated muxh of what took place.
@Badbentham
@Badbentham 5 лет назад
Actually, you pretty much validify the points made: Hyperrealism also means that the borders and distinction between "reality" and hallucination fall apart, in a black-hole-like "holistic spectacle". Obviously, the bateman tries to escape his condition, by all violent means, to retain some kind of subjective sovereignty, but he only ends up in a Moebius strip of signs and references, that he perpetuates. The "World Music" video resolves around a similar topic, btw: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_sCRcfYRslg.html .
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 4 года назад
So, the Character was. the Author. Imagination releasing. feelings.
@paffinity
@paffinity 4 года назад
@Shekel Master69 this video was commenting on the movie, not the book
@minichou
@minichou 5 лет назад
I don't 100% understand but hopefully I can keep reading and learning more that one day I can. Great video! Keep it up.
@phetmanonline
@phetmanonline 5 лет назад
Very interesting, insightful and on-point, subscribed.
@split_jcgg9613
@split_jcgg9613 5 лет назад
Wtf what did I just watch... that was brilliant wow
@botero01
@botero01 6 лет назад
Baudrillard is also clearly not disgusted or horrified by postmodernity, he is mostly just in awe of it.
@vongstudio
@vongstudio 5 лет назад
Really good critique. Excellent work.
@ohagens
@ohagens 2 года назад
Awesome stuff. Just bought your new book. Good luck!!
@DrWHO-jv5qi
@DrWHO-jv5qi 3 года назад
When Christian Bale was analyzing that card, it reminded me of a Graphic designer. Merging branding and art and you've got yourself a service that caters well in a capitalist system. It all comes down to if you can make people believe they need it.
@dmay3391
@dmay3391 3 года назад
"make people believe they need it." *Capitalism entices people to want it. It's authoritarian to "make" people "need".*
@PG_LP
@PG_LP Год назад
And this whole trend of Gen Z identifying themselves with Patrick Bateman speaks a lot about where we're going as a society... Scary shit
@emiliozavalaart
@emiliozavalaart 6 лет назад
Really liking these vids mates :3 keep it up!!!!
@lindennerdhh
@lindennerdhh 5 лет назад
Wow what video! Thanks for that and keep doing it PLEASE
@Phenixio96
@Phenixio96 6 лет назад
I don't understand everything, I think that I have to read this book, but it's very interesting
@ByzantineCapitalManagement
@ByzantineCapitalManagement 6 лет назад
Awesome
@stevenoviedo541
@stevenoviedo541 6 лет назад
You just gained a subscriber. Fantastic análisis and piecing together of boudrillard's philosophy. Not that that matters in this simulacra of real life.(;
@milesgarcia6623
@milesgarcia6623 3 года назад
Great vid. One of my favorite films. Gotta read up on Baudrillard.
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