Americans are fleeing to THIS European country ahead of US Elections. 

Let see now that the laws have changed how many people will move to Portugal now.

We just heard that the residential program has been stopped. Is this true?

@@RockyFretz I think is in the works. Should stop january 2024

Yep work to live not live to work.

My wife and some other family and friends are coming to retire there Kim comes in Feb to visit for 10 days to meet people we follow on YT. And get the process of retiring there going. Then we're back in April for a closing trip and finish moving by a June if possible. When are yall going?

Same

tRump promised to leave if he lost the election also lol.

Not a direct cause of his election, but one factor. Left usa in 2018 for Portugal and haven't looked back

It's his sentiment and all who think like him in the US that plant the seed for people to leave on there own timeframe. Anyone who has made the move knows it doesn't happen at the drop of a hat, it takes planning and a mountain of paperwork. So the better question is "How many people decided to leave the USA when they saw what the country was turning into?"

My husband and I left in 2019. Unfortunately for so many, their dreams are bigger than their wallets.

I left too. Though for me it was a happy coincidence. I was engaged to a Canadian and she would NOT move to the US. I'm working on dual citizenship but if Trump is re-elected I will seriously consider renouncing US citizenship.

Look what happened in Canada where I live. Minority government with maybe 35% of the vote. Gets elected for a second time even though they're ruining the country. Then they create a coalition with another even smaller minority government to hold on to power for two more years. Meanwhile, destroying the country even further for the next 24 months. By destroying I mean rising crime, economic decline, cost of living increase, taxation increase, etc. Government is no longer an institution that represents the people. They represent themselves first and foremost.

Duopoly *

$10k later…..🚑

The left wing political class was most certainly NOT cheering on what were protests against police violence and murder. If you combined every police department in the United States, it would make up the 5th largest army in the world. Trump is a conman, and now quite apparently a traitor. Study cults and you will see trump and his followers, and apparently, you.

same, here in Portugal we are ruled by the WEF

If you were in the 1930s you were supporting Hitler and the Nazis. Mark my words.

@@skurinski A sério que caíste tão fundo?

I wouldn't trust António Costa's words that much though...

Well. They should start packing

Thanks Zeb 🙏🏻

of course not. because this 'i leave due to politics' is in most cases just propaganda (usually left wing propaganda .btw, left wings are with islam the most antisemitic/antizionist antiwestern Nazis). it is also not true that the 2 party system in the US is worse/better than the one of other democracies. it just doesnt matter. and most relevant things for ppl in the US (and not just there) are usually driven by state politics anyway (where one btw. can have easier more parties) ....

left wings are btw. also the most antisemitic/antizionist and racist Nazis in the tradition of Hitler/NSDAP (together with Islam). 'right wing' is a left wing projection, not a real ideology - in difference to what most ppl believe (due to the inflationary mis-usage of this concept which just should obviously fit to a left wing view). it is lft wing who call others right wing (after the tradition of the old french national assembly seat order) - usually not ppl themself. while left wing call themself left wing. also the real Nazis (Adolf Hitler/NSDAP) which was a mixed-left wing movement (most intelletuals were Marxsts, ops, just like Mussolini. The real Fascists were also a left wing movement from Sicily) - also the real Nazis called OTHERS 'right wing' (the bourgeoisie - in the tradition i talked already about). no one called Hitler/NSDAP 'right wing' (made also no sense at that time): this wrong belief came after WW2 when again socialist dictator ship supporters tried again - also within the West - to twist the narratives and to combine Nazis with everythig which they consider as non-left. When Putin calls the Ukraine Nazis/Fascists (another projection) then this is just in the tradition lf all former (or actual) antiwestern socialist systems. Lula and Manduro are the same. They are the real Nazis and Antisemits/Antizioists. In South Africa the ANC/Tri-Party is a typical antisemitic/antizionist, racist Nazi system and so on ....

48% is only if you make over 78k euro a year! If you come here with an American salary (like working remotely), then do expect to pay upwards of 30/35% in taxes! However, the rest of your salary would be more than enough to live a somewhat luxurious life. It also changes by year in regards to the minimum wage (minimum wage isn't taxed, so the other tax brackets are changed accordingly), so by next year you could get 48% taxes only at 80k or more, I am awful at this math but I still know somethings, kinda.

That’s the exact reason it’s happening. Property prices have gone up so much with the influx of wealthy foreigners that Portuguese people can’t afford to buy a house anymore, and have difficulties renting even in suburban and rural areas. It isn’t really the, wealthy, immigrants the Portuguese aren’t happy with, but the consequences.

Thanks Wally appreciate your comment 🙏🏻

Thanks James 🙏🏻

What are the odds?

The NHR actually worked in attracting and ( more importantly ) retaining new residents. But, as so often happens, popular opinion doesn't agree with reality. So the NHR has to go, I'm afraid.

They haven’t fled in droves….and the data shows and Dave has stated, most Americans who moved to Portugal ended up leaving portugal shortly after.

This is the best compliment 🫶

Neat right?

If so, I think we’ll find how deep the interest in Portugal really runs. Pretty much no expat is going to give the Portuguese government half of whatever income they have coming in.

​@@user-pn8dq6vt4syou got that right. The only reason I'd go there is cheap housing, affordability and tax incentives. If all of a sudden taxes go through the roof, no interest in Portugal whatsoever. The last thing anyone wants to do is donate funds to government so they can be misused.

" *HALF your income* " ????????? You guys are rich

@@lxportugal9343Portugal’s top marginal rate is 48% and starts at 80k, plus there is 23% VAT (sales tax) which applies to everyone. So pretty much everyone is paying at *least* 50%. High income people probably pay over 60% total.

The portuguese were asking to pay the same taxes expats do but government wants expats to pay the same taxes we do 😂 socialism 🤬

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If at minimum a person immigrates via Italy’s Golden Visa you must “ donate” about $ 1 million+ dollars to an Italian philanthropic foundation or invest a minimum investment of $250,000 in innovative startups.

Please go to Italy, leave us alone.

hell nah

portugal is about to eliminate tax exemptions for foreigners by january 2024. After that, everybody who lives in portugal will have to pay the same tax, whether native or expat. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

Which economical situation is being implemented by Biden? Straight to the point, name just one thing, (don't deflect, or give whataboutisms) name one policy Biden has implemented that is causing your buddies a concern. And straight to the point again, if you don't have one example to give, then why spread misinformation 🤷‍♂️

Abraço Manuel! 🙏🏻

Seriously! This video was so well done

Someone has to do it 😉 thanks Colin 🙏🏻

Thanks for the kind words 🙏🏻 Let’s goooo 🏄🏻‍♂️🌊

@@DaveinPortugal I am thinking about staying a year in Portugal to check it out. For context, I am both Portuguese and American citizen. But I am tired of the rat race and fast pace of life here in the US. I want to slow down and smell the roses. With that being said, I would love to stay in an area like where you live. One hour to Lisbon and 20 minutes to beach. Without disclosing your address, can you tell me what area you live or areas that would check those boxes ? Again, thanks so much for all you do in your channel. It is invaluable for people like me, thinking about moving there.

Good Plan

stay there, don't ruin our countries

​@@brownstone2461lol I will move right into your town ;)

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Probably the greatest thing to many Americans, but not to the world in general and specially to Europe.

@@knucklehoagies I do have reasons to hate Trump much more than Biden, but that's likely because I come from a European and Portuguese perspective.

@@knucklehoagies *I'm curious, as a European, what is your perspective?* What I see from Europe is that he's mostly a cult just like any other religion, with the advantages and disadvantages of every cult. The problem is not the cult itself but the fact that that cult has a huge power in politics not only inside the US. The world right now is not a safe place. Authoritarian and totalitarian countries like China and Russia are in a cultural war with the West even if we don't want it at all. It's not a time for 1930s-type isolacionist policies - remember that those appeasement policies were the ones that lead to WW2 and the killing of tens of millions of people from 1939 to 1945. We in Europe have a full-scale war going on for already 20 months and freezing it won't be a solution as it would give Russian forces time to regroup and then attack again, and next time it could be any country in the Eastern flank of the EU (the Baltics, Poland, etc.). In regular times this would be very unlikely as NATO Article 5th exists, but with MAGA in power my biggest fear is betrayal to us (politicians would say "the country X is not our problem" and get away with it). That would lead to a world order collapse, but most Americans wouldn't do much because they are completely dumb when it comes to international politics and traditional mass media doesn't really help much.

Hahahahah thanks Dan 😂

Don't blame yourself for Portugal's issues! The tax policies that benefit immigrants are the main issue because they were way too over the top. Seriously, you could do everything you wished for little to no cost: buying properties for tax breaks, getting visas for tax breaks, work online for tax breaks, breathing for tax breaks. These have been gradually toned down or completely abolished due to both left and right-wing parties pushing for these policies to end due to their effects on Portuguese people's lives. People are getting pushed out of even the capital mainly because of new hotels, lodges, and other tourism places aimed at milking Americans without them realizing it since the cost of living in the US is way higher, you come here and gladly spend €200 on a hotel room and €30 on a meal thinking that's a normal fair price... And this greatly affects your local small family-run restaurant that has full meals for €5, €6 with a dessert and a coffee. This is not due to immigrants and tourists coming here, but because we get no expat money whatsoever, it's only an economic gain for businesses that got a foothold in these areas, most of them owned by people who never stepped a foot on Portugal but got tax breaks because they got a property for the tax breaks. Our government messed up because they rarely regulate their policies, they kinda just go with the flow, and they're subject to abuse. For the medical system, the public healthcare system, while still one of the best in the world, it is bursting at the seams, especially in emergency rooms, which are full to the brim. This is also not due to immigrants, but because the government has severely neglected this and our educational system. Don't get fooled by people who say it's because everyone from third world countries are coming here to abuse our systems, as that is usually not the case, but is just an anti-immigration agenda. Rest assured that most of our parties, especially the two main ones, Liberal Conservative center-right PSD (a party kinda like the Democrats, very pro-universal healthcare and education but toned down on queer support, some wings are much more open about it but they don't come close to the right-wing Liberal party, which fully expresses their support) and Socialist/Social Democratic center-left PS, are pro-immigration and have continuously targeted their anti-immigration opponents. Liberal Conservative leader has publicly said on live TV a few months ago that they would not be working with anti-immigration, xenophobic, and racist parties, but never mentioned them until the regional elections a few weeks ago, where he mentioned the far-right Ultranationalist party (a weird mix of Republicans but somewhat pro-government intervention in things like benefits for people in need and taxing unfair profits in finance and other industries), the one that usually has the only anti-immigration ideals, making it a very safe bet for moving in, especially since their party is a trainwreck involved in internal dramas, illegalities (they were considered undemocratic multiple times by our courts), and so on, so they most likely won't last much longer. They are steadily climbing in voters, but that will most likely lead to a nosedive once they get some form of political power, as it has happened in Brazil, the US, and other countries. The only way to live here without causing the drastic rise in prices is to... Pray that our government changes their minds regarding most of their policies that benefit those who don't need benefits, but that will probably only happen by our next elections when PSD hopefully gets elected, or they form some coalition like their recent one in the Madeira island between them, Christian Conservative right-wing CDS, and center-left Environmentalist/Ecofeminism PAN. A lot of coalitions are possible in Portugal, and we even saw once our two main rivals, PSD and PS, run the country together for a full term, so who knows what the future holds. For now, we are just in a standstill, with one side being constantly on strike for better healthcare and education systems, housing, etc., and the other side deeply afraid that the economic liberal parties like the far-right one of the right-wing Liberals will get into the government sometime and finalize their dreams of privatizing healthcare and education, which would completely ruin the very little that we still have going for us. My hopes is that a party that is pro-Welfare State, which are pretty much all of them besides the two ones I just mentioned, get to the government and fix these issues that are shifting voters to those parties "as a protest"... A protest that could very well make Portugal look like the US in the rankings we are still above you, since those rankings are usually tied to our welfare systems (education, healthcare, safety, drug abuse, etc.). PSD Lisbon's mayor has been trying his best to balance the gross government incompetence and what little he can do to regain the city back from these issues. He has invested in social housing, way more than any mayor before, as well as culture, education, healthcare, inclusivity, etc. by opening new theaters, schools, and clinics, but it's a far cry from what can actually fix our country, and sadly he only wishes to work on Lisbon for now, so probably the only politician with the will to change how things work will never get to a national government office.

Thank you for this long reply. It looks as if maybe the government is about to cut back on some of the outsized "incentives" for rich expats. I was just back in France, where I used to live (where I learned how wonderful it is to live with universal health care, education, etc., and I won't go into some of the transitional the problems they're having now). But I was interested to learn that they have a second residence tax, which I think is a great idea. That means if you own a house and by another for vacation or investment you pay a tax in addition to the real estate tax. I'd love it if they had that in the U.S. where I can no longer return to my favorite beach town because all the property is now "weekend" houses for Silicone Valley billionaires. Anyway, it's not that I blame myself, but that I don't want to be part of a problem, even if it's one created by the government. We'll be back in April and may still decide to move there, but (though it will make it tougher for me) I do tend to think it's a good idea that they're ending the NHR (or are they?) and have stopped the Golden Visa.

@@user-ls8ey4mw9z You're welcome! I didn't plan to write it so long (this one will be the same probably), but when I start typing I can never form concise thoughts. Brain problems, I love them! Anyways, yes, the government is starting to bend to the pressure of every single other party, from society as a whole, and from the EU. That sounds like a good idea, but our government chose, again, to go way overboard with their politics, by trying to mandate that everyone who owns properties that aren't being used must rent them to the government so the government can rent them for cheaper to those in need... A good intention, definitely, after all we're one of the countries that took in Ukrainian refugees in our actual homes and you can actually register to become a foster family, completely negating the usual argument of "if you love refugees/homeless/etc. so much, why don't you have them move to your home?", but a really poor execution, since most people who had houses without use or on the rental market immediately sold them out of fear of losing their private property, further lowering the supply of houses for renting. I think it was toned down to where now you can choose to opt into this program, but the damage is done and landlord trust is lost. If I'm not mistaken, French government is liberal? The European definition of liberal (smaller government, less government intervention, etc.), so I guess they are toning down public services? All I've heard about recently was the higher retirement ages. Portugal doesn't have much liberalism, only recently our two liberal parties popped up into existence, so our universal systems won't go away soon. Even if our right-wing liberal party wins the elections (the far-right one would definitely be a huge mess, they're both constantly attacking each other as well), today I saw they just wrote a proposal with experts to reform our healthcare system, and rather than privatizing it, they want to extend the universal healthcare to private hospitals as well, removing the government intervention in most areas besides funding and paying for treatments, so that could be a good system as well. We did have some privately-run publicly-funded hospitals that were actually more efficient and cheaper that either fully private or fully public ones. If you do come, then rest assured that you will be welcomed here! Despite the loud minority online hating on Americans, the hate is usually towards the digital nomads as they have the most privilege, but they end up generalizing all Americans. Portuguese people are overall quite friendly and welcoming, as long as people do their part in integrating themselves into our communities, from making friends to shopping locally and avoiding expensive places.

The medical system won’t change much as long as you and other expats pay the taxes like any other Portuguese person. It is the taxes that found the health care system. Like in Spain where a lot of foreigners think healthcare is free, it isn’t, the Spanish pay for their healthcare through their taxes every month like you’d pay for an insurance every month.

where?

Right? 🤦‍♂️

Can't disagree with anything you've said; good comment.

People say one word about Trump and Biden…. Everyone’s pissed. Americans are so fragile

That’s show business baby. Thank you for the support 🙏🏻

I was amazed when an american friend told me about how much fight he had to get a visa and later the residence here in Spain. At a moment he asked me if,, it's easy for europeans,i guess you only present your passport'' I said ,,No,buddy,i don't have a passport,only my romanian ID is sufficient''. His mind blew up.....

You’ll be surprise how many words are close to Spanish I was trying to learn Portuguese from English but founded easier from Spanish to Portuguese. Not that I can speak Portuguese but I can read it and understanded

Just like I told my wife…..I rather pay more taxes and be happy than pay less taxes and been looking over my shoulder. Anyway I’m no millionaire so I won’t be loosing my mind over taxes

Great comment and thank you for the support 🙏🏻

Hey Diabbie, Sorry you feel that way. I have put countless hours in content about Portugal and will continue to but I would also like to expand my content, comedy, and editing skills. There are hundreds of content creators that make content about Portugal travel tips. Be well

@@DaveinPortugal Hey, thank you for responding! I do think even in this video the content itself is informative, but the titles are the thing that have been deterring me from clicking on them. I know you put in a lot of work in your content and it shows. I'll continue to support your work like I mentioned, just differently for now. Again, this is just some small feedback and in no way meant to be hateful. Thank you for reading it and responding. I appreciate it!

She's still in Lisbon, isn't she? Obviously knows a good thing when she sees it.

No but she comes here regularly. She was here for her birthday couple of weeks ago.

Leftist parties also say the same! In fact, in Portugal, the party usually at the forefront of fighting these policies is the left-wing/far-left leaning Marxist BE, while the far-right Ultranationalist CH usually focuses more on attacking immigrants that do need aid, such as refugees. In here, Trump/GOP is considered far-right, it would perhaps break the scale, whereas Biden would probably fall more towards our center-right Liberal Conservative PSD, or perhaps even the right-wing Liberal IL, so that's maybe why Americans don't find our right-wing that bad, as they would be considered the left-wing in the US. That being said, my best guess is that Europe in general is tired of Americans, they're to us what Mexicans were to the US during Trump's administration, to the point where our walls are not built physically, but financially.

Trump is not 'right wing'. thats a left wing projection and narrative. 'right wing' does not exist as ideology. left wings of all kind (also Hitler/NSDAP as mixed-left wing movement) call OTHER ONES 'right wing' (in the tradition of the french revolution/old french national assembly seat order). they just call everything the dont want 'right wing'. its not real science, its ideology. usually ppl/parties do NOT call themself 'right wing' (of course due to the inflationary spread of this wrong sorting, it sticks always with some who dont see through such totally obvious framing)

I just don't understand how can be elected while also under investigation. How is that a thing?! Sick of a few very big things in this country and ready have a better quality life.

@@kaedyss5925 Right? But what is more mind-goggling (and scary) is that polls have Trump-Biden in a dead heat, meaning enough Americans just don't care about his criminality (among other things). *sigh*

You forgot one globalism. CAPITALISM

​@@rolflinThank you for your kind observation. I've been willing to expand on this topic.😉 So... Yeah, I thought about it. But capitalism is not an ideologic proposition, like the ones born in the XVIII and XIX centuries. It,s the default baseline of every free human being. Capitalism, as I see it, has been around for thousands of years, since human beings started to have overproduction of goods. Some believe capitalism began with the invention of money or banks, also thousands of years ago, but you really don't need money to have capitalism. Even a hug can be traded for some kind of good will... I believe the real problem began the moment some people tried to tell other people how to live their lives. Like religion forcing people to believe absurd things, or governments restricting people's freedom to produce and sell their goods. Both diminishing their freedom and enslaving them. Sure, we need rules. But we cannot let those rules enslave us as they already did. In order to have a peaceful and functional society we must freely, willingly, and without any kind of coercion, agree to those rules. But we can´t and we don't. Because there are too many rules, they are not open to discussion (unless there's some violent conflict or a huge parliament or public consensus - which is pretty much impossible), we don't have the time or knowledge to understand them all, and... because those rules are ideological. Meaning, they are not based on reality and, they are always made to favor those who made them or lobbied for it, paying huge sums in the proccess. That is not capitalism, and that is not democracy. It's just another scam. You cannot tell someone "your property, and the results of your efforts, belongs to everybody" unless you wish to be a slave master. But... you are always free to work more, or become better doing whatever you do. Or... do nothing and starve to death. That is not ideological, but reality. Even though many people love the idea of being some kind of slave, there will always be some willing to fight back. Those are the true capitalists exercising their right to be free. All the others are about to give away all their money in exchange for crypto-dollars and crypto-euros, and with it, whatever's left of their remaining freedom. Portugal was under a dictatorship for over 40 years. People were afraid to openly speak their minds even to their relatives. Some are still afraid to do it, even because censorship is slowly becoming "a thing" once more. Not just in Portugal but all over the world. This is where I stand my ground. The time will come when we can not have this kind of conversation online (as we've seen in the last couple of years) or offline (as we're already seing in the UK and elsewhere). Cowardice brought us here, and it will absolutely drown us every single time. I might be wrong, but I will never be silent. Neither should you. 😉

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Yes, many Americans moving to Mexico but yesterday I heard the construction of the wall will begin soon.