@@heavyq Where is your center located ? I worked on 82:70’s for a few years in the 80’s, Right after High school and before College, one of the best times of my life. The sounds alone give me so much pleasure, Though the bin was not plastic then. I am also a filmmaker which is one of the many reasons I despise this vertical video trend.
@@vittoriostoraro this actually wasn't mine. This is on Malmstrom Air Force Base. My dad was the manager and since I was a pinsetter mechanic in college and then for a 24-lane house after I would go out and help them with repairs and such. He retired last year so I am no longer going out and helping with repairs and maintenance. The new manager put a stop to that and last I heard only 9 of their 12 lanes are usable as of late. I'd love to go back out and help but alas they no longer want my help. I did it for free, never asked for pay, but my dad did usually have the snack bar make me a burger or something as a way to say thanks :D
@@vittoriostoraro I grew up around bowling and have been doing so for 30 of my 35 years. Being a mechanic was like second nature for me. I mostly worked on Brunswick mashers but fell in love with the AMFs for their simplicity. The house I worked at after college had 16 Japanese A2s that ran at 120% the normal speed of a US A2. Those were a blast. When they worked they rivaled the 82-90s and GSXs in speed, but when they broke they broke hard. The speed put extra wear and tear on belts and bearing and we had to lube and greases everything sometimes twice a day. Belts were swapped almost weekly, and bearing were always done once a month regardless. Oh, and we usually had 20 gearbox clutches on hand because the JPN spec A2s would burn up clutches faster than a beginner driver in a Honda Civic.
@@heavyq Interesting. I never worked with A2's. I was never a fan of Brunswick. Also, they were (rightly) considered quite dangerous... as you well know.
Distributors are pretty much the same, they have durabins which are an upgrade from the original metal bin kits In my opinion. The tables are not the same however, 82-70 tables are really thick with a one piece design, the shuttles are the same as well only but difference from the 70s and 90s are the chassis, the motors and small upgradable parts here and there that the original 70s can also have. I only know this because I work on 82-70s at my bowling alley and we’re in the process of converting most of our old parts over to newer 82-90, 90 xli edge parts
The elevator is chain driven and the top is more higher, and the orientator pan is stationary which fixes one of the big problems people had which was inconsistent pin orientation that led to distributor jams. The elevator is also universal and can go on either the odd or even side, and it can lift off very easily. Here is a video of it in action: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n3K0YVRXGJo.html
I was intrigued by the removable elevator wheel. The PM is a little bit more thanks to the chain. I like the stationary orienter pans and higher rails. Don't have the upgrade yet. But yes im excited to get mine.
Very true, but I personally prefer mechanical over electrical. Except for maybe the gearbox on an A-2. Those things are a freakin' nightmare to repair. I'd rather rebuild a car transmission blindfolded than ever rebuild another A-2 gearbox.
AMF is still in the dark ages. Why don't they design some new machines? Like, PROPER new machines. Not just upgrades of a 50 year old model. They could connect them to the internet, have them automatically e-mail frame-meter reads to the front desk, frames per stop, quantify the data, recommend maintenance or provide maintenance alerts, provide a mobile app for their technicians to notify them (because big f***ing shock, mechanics have phones), provide diagnostic data on timings of sensors, voltages and real time information to a mechanic from the comfort of his workshop. They could spot that broken wire intermittently dropping voltage before it causes an outage or see the motor brakes are worn before an full stop happens. And they can use off the shelf computers for all of that. My point is, a $30 PC has more power than the stock computers AMF and Brunswick machines use. You know, they still charge over $1000 for a GS-92 pinsetter, a 27 year old computer that thinks in megabytes! They are taking the piss out of their customers. They HAVE to give us a proper cheap upgrade that at least uses the Raspberry Pi or an Arduino board, and they can still charge for their oh-so-complicated 300 lines of proprietary software and license per lane, but at the same time, allow bowling alleys to also use x64 Intel CPUs, or better yet, ARM computers that they can choose. Have they never wondered why bowling proprietors never buy from them anymore? It's because they still have the same machines 60+ years later. Their machines are almost the same design as their original conception in 1963! It is NOT an upgrade! We live in an age of robotics and computers and AMF gives us the traction engine of bowling.
if it aint broke.....don't fix it.....not a thing wrong with 82/70s-90s....if properly maintained.....same with brunswick As......a MUCH better pinsetter than those tinker toy plastic GS machines.....why over complicate things?
Let me Guess: “TonyTheCat1” Is a spoiled little Millie with no life lessons who listens to compressed music and sits around talking about refresh rates. BTW: Cats suck.
Pinspotters and pinsetters can cost you anywhere between a used honda civic and an audi r8. Once you get one they're hard to replace without money. Heavy to move as well. Once theyre installed they normally there for life. The upgrades are the modernization while keeping the original core design. If you're a pinspotter tech youd know an original 82-70 has 3 cam gears for the drive positions for each the table and sweep. With xli. Those 6 total gears turn to 2. 1 each. Thats just one mention of benefit to upgrading. As far as the original design, an 82-30 would scare the hell outta you. 82-70 to xli edge may operate the same but the generations are evident.
