I liked their aesthetics. Saw the machines countless times in films and thought how cool they looked, including the bigger versions like the the Amiga 2000.
Got my 520 STFM first. Sold it to my aunt & uncle for my cousin, when I got my A500. Then bought an A500+. The Amiga continues to by my favourite computer of all time. I was heavily into the demo scene, and music creation was my number 1 pastime. MED was my editor of choice, and I still remember getting my first sampler! Great days, and I would love to be able to go back. But that's the story of my life! Favourite Amiga demo: Budbrain Megademo, maybe? I was more into music discs, with Crusaders (Fleshbrain/Seppo Hurme in particular) being at the top of their game. Used to get most of my hardware from either Silica Shop, or Micro Anvika. Loved my trips up to Tottenham Court Road to buy my latest bit of gear. Silica also had a shop in Sidcup. There was also a superb gaming shop in Sidcup, where Pizza Hut now resides!
That brings back memories. I had the same experiences of staring at box art (and magazine ads), but for me it was a decade earlier and the Atari 400 vs C64 war, and I loved them both. There was a magic feeling that the worlds created inside the games were real, I guess that was partly because they were interactive, which was novel across available mediums. Also, computers were ON-DEMAND! Back then TV was on someone else's schedule; if you missed something, you just didn't see it (unless you had a wildly expensive tape recording system). I used to play those games until I knew exactly how they would respond in every situation, and when something new came out, it was often _really_ new, not like today when the graphics are far more realistic, but almost every game is just clone number 9,106,499. And the 80's and 90's did have a more cohesive and optimistic vision than today.
I was in the same ST Amiga Huddle. I actually felt bad when a game/software was on one but not the other, we 16 bit computer owners had to stick together. It was like a small cult of youths. Games Art Music Coding, the holy grail of young talent back in the 90's
indeed, my best friend had an ST and I owned an Amiga. We tended to team up against the 'console' gamers of the day. He used the ST because of the midi capabilities and I used the Amiga for the graphics, making animations etc as well as games of course, we were Gauntlet 2 addicts.
8:28 so true... The possibility of how things might develop always seems more interesting than the eventual fact doesn't it? Perhaps the inability to have things, and the time to obsess over them, makes them that much more enticing - I can't tell you how many hours I spent looking at various electronics etc in magazines.
Not first, but quite!! ;) Never had an ST, but was a proud owner of an Amiga 500 by around 1990 ;) And the very first game I ever played was Deathchase, on a ZX Spectrum 48k ;) Cheers, Pete! And congrats for your tremendous success with your channel! You deserve it! :) I was one of your first subs, and your work is amazing! :)
Inaflap If that were true, you would see no further videos. My days would be spent wearing a smoking jacket, hanging out in the lounge saying "nice" and "groovy"
It was Amiga all the way until the cheap PC power supply in my power tower nuked it all (final Amiga setup was: A1200T, 060 @ 66MHz, 64MB fast, 2MB Chip, Picasso IV Grfx card + Concerto & Paloma TV add ons)
Crazy how much things have changed. I remember my mom yelling at me like crazy when I was 10 about getting an IBM PC vs an Amiga, because she thought I would use it for games vs. homework. Ironically I ended up using it for mostly word processing and DOS games considering that the programming IDEs for it at the time were garbage compared to the Amiga's. This also reminds me of the compilation disc from the 90s with 100s of indie and shareware titles
My brother just bought an Amiga 1200 with CF card and 68030, and now ordered a wifi card. Eventually he will get the vampire 2 accelerator for it. If not, I will force him :P I love old hardware in its original form, but it's also pretty awesome to see an Amiga 1200 massively upgraded so it can do more modern things.
The systems I never got but was fasinated by I always got in an emulator. My love for emulators started with A-Max on my amiga ! The idea of having a single machine that could run all OS'es was the holy grail for me. Years earlier as a 12 year old I used to deam of playing all arcade games ( we had multiple huge video game arcades in our town) on a singe machine ! Later in my life I was very impressed by and religiously follwed every release of Mame etc. and before that single game emulators. Up to the middle 2000's I had moments I used directory opus on UAE and managed my PC folders with it, just because I was so used to it. A few months ago I even got ADPRO out of the closet to make a gradient and have fun with the warp plugin.
I saw the ST first in a little shop called Evesham Micros in Cotteridge and lusted after one until I saw the Amiga! Love them both - separated at birth they were.
Bringing up Amiga v Atari. A man who lives dangerously on the edge. (Or wants to make sure he never has friends again.) I'm a Jay Miner fan. Atari 8-bits and Amiga rocked my world.
Amiga -v- ST I never came across that war in 90s at all! My playground memories were of Nes domination in the early 90s, then by the mid 90s a war over Mega Drive- Snes. Then the late 90s it was PSX -v- N64. I was born '86.
I'm pretty sure the first game I ever played was Pong. Either that, or Frogger. I also distinctly remember being in utter awe of the Phoenix arcade game while I was really young - like 3 or 4 yrs old.
Don't hate me, I had Atari ST for quite a long time, but the most striking detail from the Amiga/Atari war I can think of was how ST demos honestly looked horrible at the time and they just mostly concentrated on putting "Amiga sucks" references everywhere (yet they played Amiga mods in the background, for instance). I don't remember any occasion of Amiga users doing such a thing in demos. I think deep inside most Atari owners just knew that Amiga is better. Now don't get me wrong, I love and still have both machines, but to be honest even back in the days I thought Atari ST just doesn't have "it."
mutetus What you're describing is precisely what I loved (maybe not the hatred).... But people dedicated to the ST and trying to keep up with Amiga however they could. Of course, the Amiga machines had far more punch, but it just made me love the underdog machine even more.
I really tried to like my Atari ST, but it seemed that even the other Atari people never even tried their best to push it to the limits. I liked the sound chip and midi ports though, making music with Atari ST is one of my sweetest computer memories. I have the STE model, which has better sound than Amiga, but unfortunately they were too late with double sided floppy drive, blitter and sound chip.
The sheer amount of games available today and the ease at which you can obtain them is both a blessing and a curse. In the Amiga days, if I got a game demo on some cover disk, I could play it for days, sometimes weeks. On the few occasions where my parents decided to buy a game for me, I would play it until I had beaten it, even if the game was utter crap, because I knew it would be months before I got another game. Also, there was no Internet, social media, Netflix etc. to distract you from the gaming. Today there are games in my Steam library that I've played for 10 minutes and then haven't touched again. Good games, too, if I could only find the time and motivation to play them. Kind of sad, really.
I noticed that you have a Maxtek Boombox stereo cassette player available from Aldi over your left shoulder. You don't watch the Techmoan channel by any chance do you?
Mmh. PC graphics looked so awful for so long. Then Doom happened, and SVGA and so on. I actually read Micheal Abrash's VGA programming guide and holy shit was the PC a pain in the ass by the sounds of it. The VGA graphics card, while having a lot of memory and support for high resolutions and colour depths (compared to contemporary home computer graphics), is as basic as it gets and has almost no graphics functionality of any kind. (about the most it offers is some rudimentary hardware scrolling, page flipping and blitting abilities.) This means on PC almost all the heavy lifting for any kind of graphics work at all is done by the CPU. But it gets worse. VGA cards are on the expansion bus, and especially with the older cards, the expansion bus (and Video RAM for that matter) is excruciatingly slow. So not only does the CPU have to do all the work, but because it has to wait in an idle loop whenever copying graphics, the end result is that unless you had a really fast VGA card on one of the much faster bus standards that started to show up... A 486 in practice in any situation that requires extensive graphics rendering... Is no faster than a 286. Even though if you measure raw CPU performance, a 486 is easily 10 or more times faster than a 286, the VGA graphics is SUCH a huge bottleneck, that in graphically intensive workloads, they have roughly the same performance. PC graphics are a disaster area up until the rise of fast SVGA cards at least... If things had been different, perhaps the PC would not have become as dominant as it did... VGA is so SLOOOOOOWWW it's almost crazy.
Both the Amiga and ST were to expensive for father christmas apparently! Most of my friends/enemies had Speccys or C64s with the odd Electron and CPC thrown in. I had a Spectrum +, the true definition of cheap and cheerful.
Have you been to games x change in lowestoft? My regular gaming shop and you should do a pick ups video from there it's awesome, a little bit for everyone. Great vid Mr nerd
If you have EXCEL 2000 Fire it up, create new spreadsheet save as web-page with interactivity, open the web-page, goto WC2000, highlight the whole row with the cell WC2000 at the top left, while holding down CTRL+ALT+SHIFT and double clicking the Microsoft Office logo the screen should go black the Chase HQ should appear on your screen.
nostalgia nerd have a look at demo on the amiga called Spaceballs. it's a music/dance demo and it was way before its time and the music was amazing. their is videos on RU-vid have a watch. you won't be disappointed.
I think what some people did was have an amiga a500 (not the plus) with a total of 1meg of RAM. Then, they'd skip the a500plus and skip the a600 and just go straight to the a1200 and probably put an accelerator board in it with faster cpu (40mHz to 50mHz) and more RAM to exceed the 8meg a500 limit (and a cdrom drive to play cd32 games). Or rather, just go round a mate's house who had that.
Please do the doom video soon. I loved the original doom, haven't played the new doom myself yet. It would be great to hear and see what you think about it.
OLE SammyOLE Well, it didn't really happen in the UK... from my perspective at least. By the time IBM compatibles were big over here, Apple was a shell of their former selves.
That wasn't a war. It was a massacre. Especially from a gaming standpoint. I'll always remember how Babbages had walls upon walls of PC games, and then like one tiny, pathetic island shelf with Mac games on it, with most of them being 2 year old PC ports.
Im wondering are you saying most in your area had consoles over computers? I mean console games were like $40 vs computer games $10 over there from what i heard. It just seems like computer gaming would rule in the UK at the time with very few getting consoles cause of games cost but I didn't grow up in the UK so i dont have a clue.
I always wanted to know from those who had Atari's/Amiga's, if they only used them for games or enjoyed playing around with Midi/trackers/DPaint etc., i mean because the Megadrive/SNES could really push a lot more sprites in hardware so the computer versions were always cut back
Mark whatever I already had a Mega drive, so personally I got a computer to open up the world of creativity a computer allows. But I ended up preferring the games on them, and sold my console. Mainly because they were cheaper!
lol, very good answer, wow, that was fast as i was watching your vid whilst eating dinner :). I had a CPC 464, then Amiga 500, then A1200 but when i saw Sonic at a mates i was jealous but when i heard the price of the cartridges i thought nah. The interesting thing is most people in hindsight just look at the games when i spent maybe x3 times more using DPaint, Imagine, Protracker on my Amigas than i spent gaming. I guess its a case of mum and dad won by choosing a computer lol.
Did anyone else look at cover art and magazine graphics and think, "Why can't I have the computer that created that instea dof the blocky version of the game I'm playing?" Do you know what machines would be used for photo-realistic image manipulation back in the 80s?
So you were on both teams? That bi-computeral (new word I just made up) :D I was on the Amiga team, mostly because I had one given to me for free. I did however play on the Atari ST when visiting friends, just never owned one myself.
there wasa time i borroed the next doorps zxspec48k and my mum + dad would not allow me to set it up ..so i patiently waited until the world was assleep and the first game i loaded was jetpac ,how can i forget the titlepage on a massive crt .........thats naugty
Amiga 600 ?!? wtf?! that was when all the Amiga thing was over. There was VIC20, C64, Amiga 500, Amiga 2000 pretty parallel and than PC DOS, PC Windows and now LINUX.
Bahahaha, I can't believe this old platform battle is STILL raging all this time later. I can't believe that ST owners still haven't conceded defeat on their pile of shit. The ST only challenges the Amiga when there are lazy ports and bad programming. Properly programmed Amiga will just destroy anything from the era, all 16 bit machines, and in some ways the early 32 bit consoles
I had an Amiga 500 with the 512K Ram upgrade and my friend had an ST, the Amiga was much better, I loved it for about 3 years till I saw Xwing running on a PC, I got a 2nd hand 386SX 40 with 2mb of Ram and a 80mb HDD the following week, that was in 1993 have been gaming on pc's ever since. My first console was an xbox360 then a PS3 the same week, got wii on launch, I have not got any of the new consoles this time round just stuck with the pc.
Way before the megadrive (your too young lol)...i also remember the playground wars....but atari was like 1 against 50 of us who had the amigas .....oh the memories and copied disks!
Drinking out of mug with your logo on it. Self loving or shameless self promotion :P Looking at the FM Towns it looked so far ahead of the other P.C.'s
Any idea when you gone make a followup video of the Amiga CD32? But then with better games that had fantastic FMV and also fantastic CD audio tracks, like Super Stardust, James Pont 2, Microcosm, Little Devil, Liberation, Zool 1 and 2, Simon the Sorcerer, Chuck Rock 2: Son of Chuck, Alfred Chicken, Universe, Trolls, Oscar, Bubba n Stick, Flink, Worms, Kid Chaos, Heimdall 2 and more. Yes i know you already played Zool 1 and Simon the Sorcerer :-) and thanks for a great review of the Amiga CD32, the review Game Sack made of the Amiga CD32 was really bad, and they only had bad things to say about it. But again thanks for the good review of the Amiga CD32.
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