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An American T-dropping conspiracy?! 

Dr Geoff Lindsey
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T-glottaling (aka 'T dropping') has been spreading in American speech via a conspiracy of two different strategies.
0:00 Introduction
1:02 T flapping (tapping)
2:09 T glottaling
6:03 Conspiracy in linguistics
7:15 Ground News
8:55 Unpacking syllabic N
12:41 Hard attack
17:39 Summing up
18:35 Explaining the conspiracy
20:43 Covert prestige
22:32 Help!
23:09 My wrong prediction
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@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
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@ground_news
@ground_news 5 месяцев назад
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@relwalretep
@relwalretep 5 месяцев назад
​@@ground_newsyour app seems based around the notion of {{citation needed}}, I think it'd be neat if you heavily encourage those you sponsor provide a list of sources in a reasonable format so that viewers can not only cross check claims but also further educate themselves.
@mooncowtube
@mooncowtube 5 месяцев назад
All this talk of hard attack nearly gave me a heart attack!
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 5 месяцев назад
I noticed something similar as you mention at 17:30 in the speech of @GlennKirschner2 especially when he says "Justice matters" / "Justice madders" His "t" and "d" are very similar.
@sophiamcl
@sophiamcl 5 месяцев назад
This is fascinating stuff! Thank you for this well researched and presented video! I'm wondering whether there is such a thing as a "nasal stop" (as opposed to a recognized in linguistics, i.e. where one produces the syllabic n (in "important" ) using and "explosive" burst of air by closing the back nasal passage rather than a glottal stop -- or am I thinking of a secondary characteristic of producing a "t"? I find making a "nasal stop", if there is such a thing, at least in the word "important" also requires the tip of the toungue touching the roof of the mouth in order to make the subsequent "n" sound.
@Sonny_McMacsson
@Sonny_McMacsson 5 месяцев назад
From history, you know how we Americans are about dropping 'T'.
@apricotcookie4850
@apricotcookie4850 5 месяцев назад
Good one!
@randomperson6433
@randomperson6433 5 месяцев назад
This should be the top comment 😂
@nathanruggles
@nathanruggles 5 месяцев назад
This is notably an old Boston coastal regionalism.
@lodragan
@lodragan 5 месяцев назад
It took me about 6 seconds - then it hit me. Good one.
@fariesz6786
@fariesz6786 5 месяцев назад
James Hoffmann still has better coffee than you 😏☕
@Android480
@Android480 5 месяцев назад
These videos always have me babbling to myself, hopelessly trying to figure out which way I “usually” say things. I think in casual speech I use the flap, but if I were to narrate something or speak deliberately, I’d have more glottal stops
@cristycrenshaw9109
@cristycrenshaw9109 5 месяцев назад
Yeah - there is a bias in recorded speech to people using "presentational" speech which tends towards over emphasis. There just aren't as many free and easy to find recordings of people talking like they're chatting over coffee - but this video does still show which way speech in general is trending, if people are getting broadly more comfortable with this variety of emphasis.
@Paul71H
@Paul71H 5 месяцев назад
That's interesting, because I would say that I use the flap in casual speech, but that in formal speech I would be more likely to fully pronounce the "t" sound rather than using either flap or "glottal t".
@maxtonuponry
@maxtonuponry 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, as someone who generally speaks fairly standard Southern British English but lives in an area with a lot of fairly strong Estuary accents that glottalise loads of things, I realise just how massively it varies how much I glottal stop things depending on how casually I'm talking, and who I'm talking to. It's impossible to gauge how much I do it "usually"!
@maxkho00
@maxkho00 5 месяцев назад
​@@maxtonuponrySame. I notice that I pronounce it as a flap, "t", and glottal stop with roughly the same frequency. If I'm feeling lazy or casual, I'll drop the flap. In most other cases, I'll go with the glottal stop. And if formality is a concern or I want to emphasise something, I'll go with the full "t". For reference, I'm a speaker of estuary English with some American and Russian influences.
@darkshadowrule2952
@darkshadowrule2952 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, if I'm recording something, I'm gonna over pronounce the first and last letters more than I would when speaking in person
@the_guitarcade
@the_guitarcade 2 месяца назад
I'm from the piney woods of East Texas, where we're likely to just get rid of Ts all together if they're not flapped, though they'll get a glottal stop occasionally. The best example I've got is from a story my dad's best friend was telling at the deer lease a few years ago. In the story, he had to "climb da wahr tahr fer sum'n.'" For those people who aren't from East Texas, that's, "climb the water tower for something," but the first T was tapped, second dropped entirely, third annunciated, and fourth stopped.
@catperson247
@catperson247 4 месяца назад
I was raised in Michigan, am older, and definitely heard people saying "bu'in" for button and "mi'in" for mitten even back then. I thought it was a Midwestern thing, but now I have a friend, same age as me, who was raised in Connecticut and also does this.
@syro33
@syro33 3 месяца назад
I do it in Utah, so yep, apparently its pretty widespread. A little sad cause i thought it was a kinda unique thing to utah accents but nah, guess not.
@hektor6766
@hektor6766 2 месяца назад
65 y.o. Ohioan, same. When formal, I use the t. Informal, I'll lapse into the glottal stop.
@adieljonsson864
@adieljonsson864 Месяц назад
I'm pretty young and I cannot comprehend someone saying the words button or mountain without a glottal stop. It would sound utterly strange to me. I recently saw a video of someone using a flapped t in "Satan" and it took me a second to even comprehend what he'd said because I've never once in my life heard that said without a glottal stop.
@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77
@RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS77 19 дней назад
That's also a distinctive feature of some Connecticut accents, yes. I grew up in the wrong part of Connecticut to have it but people always bring it up
@elladnhm4324
@elladnhm4324 7 часов назад
As a 22 year old from indiana, I think I do a glottal stop in most words with a middle T?? “it’s ho’ in here”, “something’s ro’in in the state of Denmark” “ge’ with i’”
@KatyLiedToMe
@KatyLiedToMe 5 месяцев назад
hilarious to hear Dr. Geoff pronouncing words in an American accent.
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 5 месяцев назад
I don't know why he's rhoticizing like that in this video. He's using [quasi-]Irish sounds. I *know* Dr. Lindsey can pronounce "certain" in a perfect Standard American accent, but here he sounds like an actor from a cheesy Britcom!
@electricrussellette
@electricrussellette 5 месяцев назад
Irish sounds? I'm from Ireland and he sounds American to me when he makes those sounds. Nothing like Irish. Maybe accent sounds are relative to the hearer.@@Vinemaple
@GuyNamedSean
@GuyNamedSean 5 месяцев назад
@@electricrusselletteAccent sounds are definitely a bit relative. To me he sounds very lightly Texan. Like a newscaster from Dallas or something.
@Zodchi
@Zodchi 5 месяцев назад
​@@Vinemaple I'm American and it sounds like American to me.
@FionaEm
@FionaEm 5 месяцев назад
​@Vinemaple I'm Australian, and it's hard for those of us who don't habitually use a rhoticised 'r' to try and imitate it. As for Americans attempting an Aussie accent, don't get me started 😂😂😂
@shnen2
@shnen2 5 месяцев назад
I really have to say that I think your videos are the best thing on youtube. Not only are they well-edited, -presented etc., but above all they feel cutting-edge - the equivalent of reading a new article, not a reference handbook. Thank you.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Can I quote you? Too kind 🙏🙏🙏
@NicholasPellegrino
@NicholasPellegrino 5 месяцев назад
I tend to agree! Seriously great content!
@coykoi5128
@coykoi5128 5 месяцев назад
well put, OP, i feel the exact same way
@shnen2
@shnen2 5 месяцев назад
@@DrGeoffLindsey certainly! as shnen or as shoni, classics phd student at cambridge if you prefer hahaha
@UserCommenter
@UserCommenter 5 месяцев назад
@@shnen2go Shoni!
@snotrajohnson
@snotrajohnson 17 дней назад
Some years ago, I was trying to add a greeting to my voicemail system. My message included the phrase, “I can’t come to the phone right now” but when I listened to what I had recorded, I heard, “I can come to the phone right now.” I erased it and tried redoing it about 4-5 times, each time with the same result, until I got frustrated and ended with recording myself saying, instead, “I can NOT come to the phone” as that was the only way the message would make sense when played back. The voicemail system simply couldn’t properly record my implied “t” in “can’t.” (I’ve always referred to it as an implied T in my own speech. Like saying maow-n for mountain, or as was in the video, cur-n for curtain.)
@dieselpunk4117
@dieselpunk4117 10 дней назад
Are you American or British?
@snotrajohnson
@snotrajohnson 10 дней назад
@@dieselpunk4117 Neither - Canadian, on the Atlantic coast.
@dieselpunk4117
@dieselpunk4117 10 дней назад
@@snotrajohnson Sounds like in that situation not being British was a disadvantage. 'Can' & 'Can't' have a completely different vowel sound to each other around most of the UK, and whether you drop the T or not, as a result, the machine would easily distinguish between the two words.
@snotrajohnson
@snotrajohnson 10 дней назад
@@dieselpunk4117 There is a slight difference between the two as I say them, too, and I’ve never had anyone express trouble understanding when I use either one. It may have been more a quirk with the actual tape recording device for that landline phone. My local municipality is known for having its own (minor) accent, more strongly affected by Highland Scots and Irish, and probably some French/Acadian, than by English. Can’t say I think of it as a disadvantage, though!
@dancinggiraffe6058
@dancinggiraffe6058 5 месяцев назад
I’m so glad you made this video. I had noticed the recent tendency among young Americans to say, e.g., “impor’ent“ and was surprised to learn that my friends didn’t even know what I was talking about. Now I can send them this video, with its many examples.
@tompoynton
@tompoynton 25 дней назад
I’m so glad it’s not just me, I hear it all the time
@ellemueller
@ellemueller 20 дней назад
Yeah! What happened to Americans saying "imporDant/imporDint"? Honestly, I think all those Ts disappearing are quite clearly linked to the rise of acceptability and "coolness factor" of the way things are pronounced in AAVE which has "cen[t]er stage" in youth culture in the USA, and influencing English dialects around the world through Hollywood. "Firs[t], secon[d], cen[t]er, almos[t], wors[t], impor[t/d]an[t], exper[t], worke[d], in[t]erestin[g]", and many other words have a flapping sound or a complete absence of sound in very many AAVE sociolectal variations... but there are also cases of "white" accents and dialects in Northern areas of the USA influenced by Southern & Southwestern US dialects that have characteristics clearly linked to the "white" speech forms that were very non-standard and the same origin nexus as AAVE in the first place. So, between their own southern, southwestern, or Northern dialects influenced by southerners who moved northward to work in factories and farms after the civil war, there are many reasons (including the high acceptability of AAVE among the youth of the USA), one must acknowledge that American English IS changing since linguistic prescriptivism of pronunciation in educational environments lost the culture war between the 1980s and 1990s, so speech is changing a lot.
@Moluccan56
@Moluccan56 11 дней назад
Agree 💯. Anderson Cooper pronounces ‘important’ as ‘impordant’. Ugh.
@Tim_ra
@Tim_ra 10 дней назад
Yes!! I always feel a slight attack from these glottal stops. I myself trail off with an 'n' sound. A lot of friends seem like they're adding a whole other syllable--I guess it's a glottal stop.
@vanessatidwell2925
@vanessatidwell2925 5 месяцев назад
I live in the Midwest. I first noticed people online using this in “mountain” and “important,” and it really bothered me. I still don’t hear it much in person, except in younger children. I found this video really informative - I realized I don’t bat an eye when older people say “moun-nn,” while I say “moun-tin,” but hearing “moun-in” was irritating. The more things change the more they stay the same 😂
@rolanchristofferson9363
@rolanchristofferson9363 5 месяцев назад
I hear bu-in at work for button. yikes.
@Andyyy6
@Andyyy6 5 месяцев назад
lol i'm 15 and i say mountain like "moun-in" 💀
@MrScorpianwarrior
@MrScorpianwarrior 5 месяцев назад
I also live in the Midwest, and I have family a few hours away in a town called 'Morton'. My father always gets on my siblings and I because we pronounce it "Mor[ʔ]in", while he pronounces it "More-tin". This video sort of directly relates to that distinction, and now I can't stop hearing it everywhere else in my speech!
@PC_Simo
@PC_Simo 5 месяцев назад
It’s the phonetic uncanny valley 😅.
@AG-iu9lv
@AG-iu9lv 5 месяцев назад
I can deal with most of them, but kih-in gets me. (I pronounce it "kit'nn")
@LinusBoman
@LinusBoman 5 месяцев назад
"Ride on time" was a 1990 dance music hit. It has that title because the Italian house musicians misheard "Right on time" in the hook that they sampled.
@dylan_1884
@dylan_1884 5 месяцев назад
Hello Dr Lindsey, Recently I was watching a video with a Welshman speaking welsh English. He had an unusual way of connections within words that I have never seen before. You have spoken at length about dropping the T and replacing it with a glottal stop in some English accents (I.e. words like "Better" become (Beh'ah") but this fellow put an R in instead. In fact, just about every instance where there was a T in the middle or the end of the word, he replaced it with an R. So instead of saying "Forget about it" he said "Forge'r abour'it". I thought it was a conscious affectation at first but I listened to him speak for about 3 hours and he was consistent. It's like he had the London dropping-of-T-'s-and-putting-in-a-glottal-stop but took it a step further and hyper-intrusive-R'd all of those instances. Is this even a linguistic "Thing"? Thanks for all of the knowledge you've shared!
@alfresco8442
@alfresco8442 15 дней назад
Welsh is one of the big influences on the Liverpool accent, so you see the same thing happening there. An R will often be inserted instead of a T; and at other times the T will be softened to an S (as has happened in German, resulting in 'out' becoming aus). So 'get out!' becomes more like 'gerrowse'.
@naoko7184
@naoko7184 4 месяца назад
I’m American and I must admit I never noticed these differences were age associated. I guess I just assumed these were regional differences - they all sound Northern to me. I’ll be paying more attention in the future!
@Myrtlecrack
@Myrtlecrack Месяц назад
They sound urban to me.
@sleekoduck
@sleekoduck Месяц назад
I always thought Baby Boomers sounded like a bunch of hicks, no matter what part of the country they were from. 😂 My older brother told me that Gen X all talk like Valley Girls. Millennials sound kind of... urban to me, even my super successful cousin. Gen Z doesn't talk enough for me to make an analysis yet. But yes, there are differences. And that's just on this side of the Pond. I had a professor who had Mid Atlantic. What an accent!
@michaelcherokee8906
@michaelcherokee8906 Месяц назад
@@sleekoduck My grandmother (wouldve been in her mid nineties by now if she were still around) had a very odd combination of factors influencing her speech. She was part of the Golden Generation, so she picked up a good chunk of the Mid Atlantic accent, meaning that to us younger Americans we thought she spoke like the Queen, but she was also pretty heavily steeped in Pennsylvania Dutch culture and accent, along with a hefty helping of Appalachian drawl. All in all, she sounded like a complete hillbilly trying to imitate British aristocracy. It was a little bit hard to keep a straight face when listening to her sometimes.
@schwammi
@schwammi 10 дней назад
@@sleekoduck Gen Z don't talk enough to make an analysis?? my guy I am 20 years old, I do nothing but talk all day.
@sandcagel
@sandcagel 5 месяцев назад
My girlfriend has general American pronunciation and was surprised to learn that "kiddy pools" had nothing to do with small cats after hearing me say it with my British pronunciation and realising it wasn't with a T.
@DAAI741
@DAAI741 5 месяцев назад
this is absolutely hilarious. Im just here imagining a bunch of kittens aimlessly swimming around in a pool
@normanclatcher
@normanclatcher 5 месяцев назад
It's a pool so shallow you could wash kittens in it?
@dazza2350
@dazza2350 5 месяцев назад
Yes; the perceived D sound makes comprehension much more difficult
@nicolasrobertgunn
@nicolasrobertgunn 5 месяцев назад
Today I learned
@nyneeveanya8861
@nyneeveanya8861 5 месяцев назад
Kiddy pool is for kids.
@chazhoosier2478
@chazhoosier2478 5 месяцев назад
This video made me realize that I am no longer a "young speaker" of American English and I resent it! I am youthful and vibrant!
@bearcraig
@bearcraig 3 часа назад
Me too, damnit
@FreakyRufus
@FreakyRufus 5 месяцев назад
About 17 or 18 years ago, I worked in Texas with a man from Pittsburgh who did this with “button”, pronouncing it something like “bu n”. It wasn’t sure what he had said until he repeated it a bit later.
@pavlabisicka5592
@pavlabisicka5592 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much for not judging the younger generation. I study acting and everytime someone tells me young people's speech is bad because they are lazy and watch too much tv, a little bit of my inner linguist dies. You gave me an argument for the next time my patience inevitably runs out and I start explaining that no, that is not how any of this works 😁 You genuinly made my day ❤
@cloudyskies3937
@cloudyskies3937 5 месяцев назад
I'm a native German speaker, who's spent some time in Australia and went on to study English linguistics. In my seminar on accents during my studies, I analyzed my own accent as largely American with sprinkles of Australian. So, I was quite taken aback when I noticed that I've recently begun replacing the t in "that" by a glottal stop. It seems, I've also picked up on this trend. Thank you for this fascinating video!
@demidron.
@demidron. 5 месяцев назад
Do you use glottal stops (hard attack) before vowels when you speak English? I'm an Australian who spent a decade in Germany and the way German has affected my English is that, words like "open" sometimes come out of my mouth with a syllabic /m/ instead of a schwa then /n/: [ɐʉ̯p̚m̩] ... just like "haben" → "habm". I asked an Aussie friend of mine who said he's sure he's heard other anglophones do that, but I've never come across it. In any case, I'm sure I've picked it up from German rather than from other English speakers.
@Mark-pp7jy
@Mark-pp7jy 5 месяцев назад
In Australia, the word "no" comes out as about five syllables. 🥴
@demidron.
@demidron. 5 месяцев назад
@@Mark-pp7jy It's literally just a diphthong you're not used to. Chill.
@urphakeandgey6308
@urphakeandgey6308 5 месяцев назад
That's funny because I'm an American who had lots of Aussie friends growing up and I definitely think I picked up parts of the accent. I would be very curious to hear yours. I use a lot more glottal stops than the average American for sure. Even in two of the examples "cotton" and "biting."
@Mark-pp7jy
@Mark-pp7jy 5 месяцев назад
@@demidron. It's humor Ben. Chill.
@balaam_7087
@balaam_7087 5 месяцев назад
I don’t study language or anything like that, but I find these videos endlessly fascinating. I also typically feel extremely self conscious afterward, so thanks for that 😅
@Sal.K--BC
@Sal.K--BC 5 месяцев назад
The word Internet is an example of t-dropping. Most North Americans don't pronounce the first t.
@adlad75
@adlad75 5 месяцев назад
Yes, came here to say the same! I didn't really think about it until it was pointed out by EU/UK friends. I usually say "Inter-Net" rather than "InnerNet" 🤓
@andrew66862
@andrew66862 3 месяца назад
Also most other "inter" words
@Juleesuz
@Juleesuz 3 месяца назад
I do. Interesting.
@Afinati
@Afinati 2 месяца назад
​@@JuleesuzIntristing (sic)
@cremsen1
@cremsen1 2 месяца назад
That's a flap. He covered that.
@TimDavis-2sw57e
@TimDavis-2sw57e 4 месяца назад
I’m 63, American, and grew up in Maryland, now live in Colorado. I say ‘button’ with what I guess is a tongue ‘tap’ for the ‘t’ but it’s not a tap and release. My tongue stays up and then I go straight to the ‘n’. My sons seem to do the same. My daughter, however, does a full glottal version of the t. She grew up here in Colorado. It’s so noticeable to me, and I do tend to notice that more in people her age (early 30s) and younger. She seems unaware of the difference. I might have her watch this episode. I love these--fascinating. Not only the main content, but the way you slide into your adverts imperceptibly. This is both humorous and maddening.
@betenoireindustries
@betenoireindustries 4 месяца назад
another colorado immigrée here, originally from mississippi, and it's shudderingly clear how much the local accent involves glottalizing. it sounds _so_ ignorant and non-credible to my ear. for lack of a better term, ghetto.
@davedixon2167
@davedixon2167 3 месяца назад
I also grew up in MD, and am in my mid-40s. I do the same as you with button. It drives me mad to hear someone either do "buh-en" with the full glottal stop and vowel - which my sister does, and she grew up in the same places as me, just 7 years behind - *or* to flap the Ts really heavily and do the vowel to get all the way to "budden". Madness.
@thestatusjoe9949
@thestatusjoe9949 3 месяца назад
I’m from Colorado and yeah pretty much everyone my age (early 20s) does the full glottal stop for words like “button” or “mountain”, my mom is from Baltimore and she’s one of the few people I know who sometimes voices those “t” sounds
@Astrobrant2
@Astrobrant2 Месяц назад
I'm 74 and have lived in Maryland since the age of four. I say it the same way you do: the tongue goes to the palate and stays there through the n. I pronounce almost all such words that way. I have noticed that people in the Carolinas use a d sound in many such words, like "buddon" or "impordant". And they pronounce "sentence" as "sennance". I have always been fascinated with the very odd pronunciation which I call "Duntalk", since it seems that nearly everyone raised in Dundalk talks that way. Where else in the English-speaking world do people pronounce "water" as "wooder"? Or "hon" as "hoing"? Since you are a Marylander, I'm sure you've heard it many times. Hey, maybe you're a Duntalker, yourself! Edit: Oh, another feature of this area is called the "dark L". With words that begin with L, people will pronounce the L almost like a W, with the tongue never reaching the palate. I remember one person who pronounced his own name, Larry, that way. In fact, he's the one who introduced me to the term, "dark L". He was a psychologist, and kept that pronunciation despite going to a fine prep school and having an Ivy League college education. LOL, I remember that the prep school was Loyola, which he pronounced "Woyowa" (approximately). Edit AGAIN: Wow, I just remembered that the dark L is _very_ common in the Cockney accent!
@TimDavis-2sw57e
@TimDavis-2sw57e Месяц назад
Great to read these replies-thanks for sharing them. @Astrobrant2, I grew up in Manchester (northern Carroll County). I still catch myself saying certain phrases from there. My Merlin-ese was never pure, as my parents both grew up in Nebraska, so I was a linguistic mongrel, I guess. My peers would make fun of my NOT saying ‘wooter’ for water, etc. 😂
@katella
@katella 5 месяцев назад
I miss being at university. I love listening to an intelligent analysis and well thought out presentation of ideas that are new to me.
@musicbro8225
@musicbro8225 4 месяца назад
Houses of light.
@menow.
@menow. 4 месяца назад
"I miss being at university." In my observation, almost no one at a university can speak a single sentence without inserting the word "LIKE".
@katella
@katella 4 месяца назад
@@menow. It wasn't like that when I was there. American have let standards slide in many areas, lignguistic sloppiness is now the order of the day. I hate the constant use of the word "literally".
@BermondseySteve
@BermondseySteve 4 месяца назад
Most ppl blindly follow their peers to gain their acceptance, & copying group speech is a type of following. Social acceptance is such a powerful need that you'll see it everywhere, all our lives. @@menow.
@menow.
@menow. 4 месяца назад
@@BermondseySteve Yes, that's true. It's just sad, what they are copying.
@finstrand
@finstrand 5 месяцев назад
Showing so many examples of the hard attack in action could lead to a heart attack ❤
@robertkohler3856
@robertkohler3856 5 месяцев назад
Yes Sir , I totally agree on that. Really dangerous thing,this heart attack,I mean hard attack, or was it the other way round?So confusing those conspiracy theories…
@Outdoors49Man
@Outdoors49Man 5 месяцев назад
I'm glad that I read down the comments, because I was just about to say something similar.
@ryalloric1088
@ryalloric1088 5 месяцев назад
But only if you put stress on the heart.
@robertkohler3856
@robertkohler3856 5 месяцев назад
@@MarkoMikulicic the /t/ in the word “attack “ is the stressed syllable therefore can’t be a glottal stop 🛑
@MarkoMikulicic
@MarkoMikulicic 5 месяцев назад
@@robertkohler3856 it was klingon
@skeller61
@skeller61 5 месяцев назад
These hard attacks are prone to give me a heart attack. The one dropped t sound that I can’t stand, for some reason, is in the word button, because it seems doubled up.
@TheGuyCalledX
@TheGuyCalledX 2 месяца назад
I tried to drop the t's in attack and my dog looked at me strange haha
@user-yi8uz8ei5b
@user-yi8uz8ei5b 5 месяцев назад
Dr. Geoff, as a former linguistics grad student I am absolutely fascinated by your incredibly insightful videos! I am originally from the Midwest, am a practicing lawyer in Texas, and have also lived and practiced law in New Orleans. You did a video a while back on ask vs aks and the social constructs that go with it. In New Orleans there is a well-respected member of the judiciary who uses a very strong “aks” that would get a strong side-eye by the educated elite in Dallas but is perfectly acceptable in New Orleans. I’m wondering if you have ever studied the various accents in New Orleans. I find them fascinating and I would love to hear some of your analysis on any aspect of them. For example, a large sector of the population uses an accent that is very similar to a Boston accent.
@MeowMeow-bi4lj
@MeowMeow-bi4lj 5 месяцев назад
While watching this video, i got an ad for chocolate, and the (seemingly American) speaker said "treat yourself" with a glottalized t! I love your videos, every time i watch i learn something new about the way i speak. Thank you for making this content! (Also, as a young American girl, i personally use glottal t all the time, i haven't noticed much of a gender bias around it in my personal life)
@SNDKNG
@SNDKNG 5 месяцев назад
That one's pretty interesting because you'd expect the /t/ to be palatalized and affricated if it weren't glottalized - the whole yod-coalescence thing going on there. So maybe there's an avoidance of that?
@mooncowtube
@mooncowtube 5 месяцев назад
I'd love to think that the RU-vid ads algorithm selected that ad for you while watching this video on the basis that you would probably be interested in that feature of their speech...! 😆
@dylanevans3237
@dylanevans3237 5 месяцев назад
@@SNDKNG Yeah the person in the ad is probably trying to separate the words "treat yourself" for clarity instead of saying "treecherself"
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 5 месяцев назад
​@@SNDKNG hard attack can also occur before y, w, r, and l! they're glides, which are similar enough to vowels to get the same glottal stop sometimes
@artugert
@artugert 5 месяцев назад
Why do you choose to watch ads? This is a question I’ve been curious about since I was a child. I’ve always chosen not to watch them, so I don’t understand why anyone would want to watch them.
@DualKeys
@DualKeys 5 месяцев назад
American here. When my Ukrainian aunt was first learning English, I was talking to her about something and said the number 20. She looked confused and asked me to repeat it. Speaking more slowly, I pronounced it as "twun-ty". But she shook her head and said that wasn't how I had said it originally. It turns out that I actually do completely drop the t in 20 in casual speech, pronouncing it like "twunny."
@robertlewis6915
@robertlewis6915 4 месяца назад
I pronounce it closer to 'twenny'.
@CuFhoirthe88
@CuFhoirthe88 3 месяца назад
Learning spoken language > learning written language. We were fluent in our first language before we learned to write it. And written English isn't an alphabet so much as a semi-etymologising logography based loosely on Latin.
@RedElm747
@RedElm747 3 месяца назад
This sounds like the /nt/ flapping mentioned briefly in the video. As Lindsey alludes to, this is somewhat complicated. This is very common in North American dialects especially in the north eastern US and Canada. (Note the stereotypical examples of internet and Toronto.) In addition to a difference in formal and informal speech, you may have some variation between pronunciation in the same register.
@RedElm747
@RedElm747 3 месяца назад
@@CuFhoirthe88 I would argue pseudo-etymologizing logography would be more appropriate given the amount of folk etymology and Latin dress-up going on.
@alexalexin9491
@alexalexin9491 Месяц назад
My Russian ear hears it as twonny.
@catherinecrawford2289
@catherinecrawford2289 4 месяца назад
In Spielberg's Lincoln, actor Jared Harris (as General Ulysses S Grant) does a near-perfect rural Northern Illinois accent until his final line where he pronounces the words January 18th and gives away some of his native accent by pronouncing them "Janury eighdeenth" instead of the full Illinois way of ""Jan-u-ary eighTeenth".
@arkroogs90
@arkroogs90 5 месяцев назад
I'm a 33 year old American from Southern California and the phenomenon heard at 11:40 drives me CRAZY. I'm hearing it more and more. It is for some reason very common in the state of Utah I've noticed.
@axileus9327
@axileus9327 4 месяца назад
It sounds so nasal to me. Nails on a chalkboard anyway.
@ifination
@ifination 3 месяца назад
About 60 years ago I noticed that a friend of mine said "di-dint" rather than "didnt". I don't know where he got it from. I still hear it from various people occasionally.
@hewitc
@hewitc 3 месяца назад
It's a lazy way to speak. If you watch Hollywood movies from 1929 to 1960 you never hear lazy glottal stopping. All consonants are pronounced.
@axileus9327
@axileus9327 3 месяца назад
@@hewitc one thing I love about old films is their attention to proper speech.
@Juleesuz
@Juleesuz 3 месяца назад
The words Button and Curtain always drive me nuts when people drop the T, then I catch myself. But then, how do you actually pronounce it? It sounds so weird to me, then I am not sure either. LOL. These two words I deal with, but someone in the comments mentioned the contraction 'di-dint" rather than "didnt'. I do not like it when someone says 'di-int'. Drives me crazy. Sorry if you do, nothing personal.
@jeremiahjewell3398
@jeremiahjewell3398 5 месяцев назад
Early 20’s American guy. I definitely have a glottal stop in words like button, cotton, gotten, etc. This seems to work across word-boundaries for me, provided the following syllable is [weak vowel + n], as in “cat in the hat” or “caught in the rain” or “bat an eyelash”. I don’t think I do glottal stops across word boundaries when the following syllable isn’t [weak vowel + n], e.g., “one cat alone”, “caught off guard” or “bet on it”, where instead the Ts are tapped.
@john_titor1
@john_titor1 4 месяца назад
Yes, this seems exactly matching to my own accent.
@syd3552
@syd3552 4 месяца назад
I do the exact same thing! I’ve never realized it before now
@zacharywranovsky
@zacharywranovsky 4 месяца назад
Yeah, 21 general American accent (Midwest to be specific) and I definitely use glottal stops for button, Cotten, and gotten, and I don’t think this is a new thing either. If you listen to the Tennessee Ernie Ford song “Union Dixie” from 1961, he says “where cotton’s king and men are chattels” with a glottal stop I’m pretty sure. Maybe because he’s singing it isn’t a good example though?
@kittycatcaoimhe
@kittycatcaoimhe 3 месяца назад
Funny enough, it's the same for me with one exception. If I say "leave that cat alone", I would say it with the tap. But if I say "one cat, alone", I do glottalize the 't' in 'cat', because I tend to insert hard attack a lot more where a natural pause (like at a comma) precedes it. I don't unpack syllabic 'n' as much as a lot of people my age do, though. Mid-20s, general American (moved around a lot, but my high school and college years were in the mid-Atlantic), suburban/semi-rural.
@JCurt366
@JCurt366 2 месяца назад
Same thing for me. Late 20s male Long Islander. Seems a fairly regionally diverse trend!
@wellscampbell9858
@wellscampbell9858 5 месяцев назад
A good friend from Liverpool (I'm American) shared an anecdote about glottling: Mum: "Pronounce your tees!!" daughter: "wha[]evah"
@terryheatwole6153
@terryheatwole6153 5 месяцев назад
I cracked up when you mentioned words with centered “N” being more complicated and not being addressed in this video. I live in NA where I am absolutely certain my neighbors do not know that the word “mountain” has a T.
@LandoCalani
@LandoCalani 5 месяцев назад
I find myself rewatching your videos time and time again-and it is always a delight to do so. Please, never stop doing these.
@CB0408
@CB0408 5 месяцев назад
One thing I absolutely love about this channel is that it often helps me to better speak and understand languages other than English. Your explanation about hard attacks in German was such an ear-openner! On the course of following this channel, I've become a better speaker of English, French, and German. Three languages for the price of a single youtube subscription. Thank you so much.
@FLPhotoCatcher
@FLPhotoCatcher 4 месяца назад
Let's all give a moment of silence for the dropped T.
@dougwilson4537
@dougwilson4537 5 месяцев назад
I think I have a new euphemism, to use during the holidays.... to 'Not Give a Flying Reindeer'. 🤣 As an older Maritimer (East Coast of Canada) I find that I actually pronounce my T's, in most of these words. But also being Canadian, the American and British pronunciations sound normal for American and British accents. We tend to be exposed to both, a lot. and just go with the flow. As always... a fascinating video Dr Lindsey.😊
@sluggo206
@sluggo206 5 месяцев назад
I saw the Santa display at my department store and I could give a flying reindeer.
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 5 месяцев назад
I live near the border and listen to a lot of CBC, and I've noticed Canadian radio presenters elide consonants and syllables in weird ways. I regularly hear "Cneenian" (Canadian), "Chronno" (Toronto), and "pleece" (police) on the CBC.
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Doug
@NightmaresClanGaming
@NightmaresClanGaming 5 месяцев назад
@@Vinemaple Wait i figure the second one is "tronno" like how we say toronto but what are those other ones?
@notwithouttext
@notwithouttext 5 месяцев назад
​@@NightmaresClanGaming i assume "canadian" and "police"
@xebio6
@xebio6 18 дней назад
I'll say it again: you have the best linguistics-related content hands down. As hugely entertaining as it is educational. Thx Geoff
@wdashwor
@wdashwor 4 месяца назад
Fascinating. Yes, as an American, I've definitely noticed these trends in younger speakers. And I do seem to notice them more in female speakers (things like bu-in for button, for example). I've also noticed the loss of the T at the ends of sentences, where there is no following sound. "Did you understand that part? becomes "Did you understand that par?"-so there seems to be an attack on the T all the way round. 🙂 On another subject, I also hear some (again mostly female) young speakers placing a glide in words. "I do, too" becomes "I dyoo tyoo."
@Afinati
@Afinati 2 месяца назад
Dyoo tyoo is such a fascinating one. Noticed it too.
@ehhov
@ehhov 5 месяцев назад
I just want to say that your videos always surprise me a lot. I couldn't even imagine that these bits specifically hide so much behind them. Thank you for fueling the linguistic curiosity with every episode!
@maxnemo1643
@maxnemo1643 5 месяцев назад
I'm so glad you made this video. As an older American, I have been noticing the glottal t in younger people and my peers think I'm nuts when I mention it. Especially noticed in words like certain and important.
@johnnymidnight2982
@johnnymidnight2982 4 месяца назад
It's because they grew up watching that British show Peppa Pig. My cousin's kid would watch that show nonstop and now she sounds like an East End chimney sweep.
@ridesharegold6659
@ridesharegold6659 4 месяца назад
My grandmother is from the Bronx - she's 93 - she'll thro' 'le any "t" she can find. I grew up not 30 miles away but when I say a word like bottle it sounds more like boddle. When she says "pass me the boh' 'le" I think, "Nan, did you go to London for that word?"
@adieljonsson864
@adieljonsson864 Месяц назад
@@johnnymidnight2982 I didn't grow up watching Peppa Pig or any British media at all really and I use glottal stops everywhere and always have. I'm pretty sure most linguistic science suggests that media consumption doesn't result in much if any lasting change to speech.
@hsmoscout
@hsmoscout 5 месяцев назад
you've made me realize that the glottal t before an inserted vowel from americans has been a pet peeve of mine for years even though i never identified it as such, i just knew it felt "off" to me
@hsmoscout
@hsmoscout 5 месяцев назад
you've also made me realize that doing a hard attack is often a feature of the "robotic" sounding speech of vulcans in star trek
@axileus9327
@axileus9327 4 месяца назад
It’s Miley Cyrus’s dialect isn’t it?
@theoriginaledi
@theoriginaledi 4 месяца назад
I'm an American in my 50s and only discovered recently as a result of a language survey here that I drop my Ts occasionally. I don't do it much, only in very specific situations, but I hadn't realized I was doing it at all and it came as a bit of a shock. I'm quite gratified to learn more about some of the reasons for it in this video!
@BruceKvam
@BruceKvam 5 месяцев назад
T-flapping is also common in some Australian accents. It's particularly noticeable in numbers like "thirty" and "forty," which combine British R-dropping and North American T-dropping in a single word!
@cmyk8964
@cmyk8964 5 месяцев назад
They even do it in “thirteen” and “fourteen”!
@Novarcharesk
@Novarcharesk 5 месяцев назад
As an Australian, I can’t stand it 😅 It’s a pet peeve of mine for people to change T to D without needing to.
@Richo732
@Richo732 5 месяцев назад
It's almost the standard Australian pronunciation. Pronouncing the "t" in "water" or "butter," for example, rather than "wader", 'budder" would definitely make you stand out.
@BruceKvam
@BruceKvam 5 месяцев назад
What I find interesting is how similar mutations in pronunciation arise independently, even in different languages. You see some of the same sorts of mutations happening in Portuguese that happen in English (the /z/ in Brazil turning into /ʒ/, the same way the /s/ in usual does in English). Or how certain /k/s in Russian, English and Italian mutated into /t͡ʃ/. Someone could write a linguistic law about it...
@CalLadyQED
@CalLadyQED 5 месяцев назад
​@BruceKvam, I don't think you can prove a law (in the scientific sense) for anything involving voluntary human action. Nevertheless, are academic terms for the shifts and mutations languages experience, and I'm sure many linguists have looked at how common they are. Assibilation is the s->sh, s->z, k->ch, g->j, etc. softening, I think.
@KrypXern
@KrypXern 5 месяцев назад
Hi Geoff, great video! I would purport that maybe your sample data could be skewed by the "RU-vid accent" that a lot of content creators use, which can be quite different than the way that people talk normally in the US. With that said, I do notice the younger generation adopting some of this "RU-vid dialect" and delivering their words as if they were presenting information on RU-vid. This is to say nothing of your evidence and conclusions in the video! I just wanted to mention something I am aware of as a GenZ/Millenial cusper from the US Northeast
@fododude
@fododude 5 месяцев назад
The RU-vid instructional video pronunciation of "the" before a consonant sound is epidemic, eg "thee computer." Professional speakers do NOT do this. I think they do it to sound more precise or exact. And they don't do it all the time.
@WGGplant
@WGGplant 5 месяцев назад
I agree, but as children become more and more raised on said "youtube accent" there becomes more and more younger speakers whose accents are molded by it. I agree that hard attack is much less common in normal American speech. It's really mostly used as a "stage accent" practice.
@KrypXern
@KrypXern 5 месяцев назад
@@WGGplant 100%! Tangentially: I would be curious to hear if the Mid-Atlantic accent had an influence of accents in the Anglosphere. That seems to be a somewhat analogous cultural phenomenon.
@liliwheeler2204
@liliwheeler2204 2 месяца назад
I noticed this too! Especially the unpacked syllabic-n version immediately clicked for me as "youtuber and/or teen accent" (which I definitely did not realize was a distinct thing in my mind until watching this!)
@cremsen1
@cremsen1 2 месяца назад
Eh, I doubt -- yes, alot of you tubers may try to slow down and be a bit more precise, but a lot of that was pretty unselfconscious, fluid, natural speach. Sound pretty natural and normal to me.
@sapiotone
@sapiotone 5 месяцев назад
I’m from Essex, UK and my SO is from New England. I’m an accent chameleon, shifting as the situation requires for understanding. She’s a singing teacher studying Estil. Love your videos! Of course we all know what Americans did with their Ts. Chucked it in Boston harbour 😂 Merry Christmas!🎄
@Krista2882
@Krista2882 4 месяца назад
I live in Connecticut (where we're known to drop the "t" (glottal stop) off the end of "connecticut"... as well as dropping the second "c", and flapping the following "t"), but we do say "cotton" here with a glottal "t", like you mentioned at 23:00. There's also a town called "Clinton" which we pronounce with a glottal "t" and without the "n" before it. But there's a town called "Canton", where we do pronounce it with the "n" and a regular "t".
@jefelipe_
@jefelipe_ 5 месяцев назад
I'm always so amazed by your videos... I'm Brazilian and I think that I learned my English 95% by myself. First I learned how to read and write, then listen, and the last thing was my pronunciation. The problem is that I love British series, movies (Harry Potter fan), audio books by BBC etc., but most of the material that I consume is in American English. So you can imagine that my pronunciation is all over the place. Watching your videos has been great to understand where I can improve. I love watching them and going back and forth trying to learn how to identify the "vocal phenomena" that you describe. You're truly amazing!
@lucylane7397
@lucylane7397 5 месяцев назад
Lucky English is really flexible and doesn’t need to be spoken precisely
@DualKeys
@DualKeys 5 месяцев назад
I remember hearing an Indian man speak at a conference, and he would pronounce certain words with a different accent than others. You could tell that he must have picked up certain words from someone in the American south, and then a few others would sound more British. It was fascinating.
@klop4228
@klop4228 5 месяцев назад
I grew up in Glasgow(ish), with foreign parents, my accent is pretty strange
@bhami
@bhami 4 месяца назад
​@@lucylane7397 Right. I find it fascinating that on RU-vid I encounter quite a few non-native English speakers who have 99% perfect American English, but after a few minutes I can tell that they are non-native. Typically it's not a question of "accent", but rather, that they speak more precisely than a native. A true native has more tendency to use sloppy speech, slurring words, etc.
@Mili-bedili
@Mili-bedili 4 месяца назад
@@bhami I work and teach English abroad and this is a common myth that English teachers put in their students' heads. "Wow! You speak better than native speakers!" In every language that you study, you'll find that native speakers do not speak or pronounce things precisely as they are "supposed to" due to something known as colloquial speech. I worked in Poland for some time. Polish tends to stick to the "rules". Despite my studying, I would still struggle to understand a colleague of mine when she was having casual chat with another colleague. The reason is because natural and colloquial speech don't follow textbook "rules." While there are cases of some people who may slur their speech, colloquial speech and dialect isn't "sloppy." Speaking in a manner that is hyper and excessively "proper" comes off as pompous and makes it difficult for language learners to have authentic conversations and connections with the people they wish to interact with. "How do you do?" vs "How's it goin'?" Both give off and invite different kinds of energy.
@tiffanymarie9750
@tiffanymarie9750 5 месяцев назад
Its interesting that all these ways of pronouncing T still register as being T, with the words still being completely understandable. It really speaks to how amazing the brain is.
@Ravie3
@Ravie3 5 месяцев назад
It blew my mind to learn that American tapped t is identical to the Portuguese r sound.
@xergiok2322
@xergiok2322 5 месяцев назад
Well they're all plosives, so there's certainly a similarity between all the different ways of saying it. I'd be interested to know why the brain feels that the glottal stop has more in common with the tongue tip 't' than another plosive like say "p". Is it just social conditioning or is it actually phonetically closer on some level? I can't immediately think of any examples in other languages which might give a clue as to which.
@tiffanymarie9750
@tiffanymarie9750 5 месяцев назад
@@xergiok2322 I'd have to imagine it has to do with how our brain creates our perception of reality as much through predictions and past experiences, as through actual sensory input. That's why illusions can boggle us or we can hear words in white noise. It's fascinating that even though the brain can be pretty easily tricked, it still gets it right most of the time.
@gedgar
@gedgar 5 месяцев назад
i think that youtube has had an incredible impact on both american and british english in the time its existed, and has caused the convergence of the two dialects which began in 1945 to quicken like never before
@Matty002
@Matty002 4 месяца назад
as a 30s californian who glottalizes before vowels and even before some syllabic Ls, ive always wondered how late down the line intervocalic t glottaling was in britain, or if it ever happened in nyc. i imagine the stigmatization alone would either prevent it or leave the environnement as the last to be affected here in north america
@Gunnar120
@Gunnar120 5 месяцев назад
I'm a vocal music teacher, and I love your videos! They help SO MUCH with helping students sing sounds they CAN do but often don't think they can! Many Rs should be flipped in sung English but are not flipped in standard American English, but this has been so helpful!
@irmafoster3933
@irmafoster3933 5 месяцев назад
As a corollary, an English speaker who is diligent about fluency in a language unrelated, e.g. Athabascan (Native American), Xhosa, etc. may find being a proficient musician can be helpful. Phrasing, meter, structure, pitch, tonality, expression, attack, retardation, diminution, and the capability of the instrument itself are part of the "language" of music. So it is with the comprehension of sound produced by one who is speaking.
@basicdays
@basicdays 5 месяцев назад
I'm curious if a lot of the American hard attack pronunciations are occurring when the younger generation is speaking in "presentation mode." Given that I'm sure they've consumed online content in a larger portion of their lives than the older generations, they probably picked up that presentational speech pattern in their produced content. I sort of hypothesis that these same people use more t flapping and "relaxed" speech patterns when not in "presentation/formal mode." Also, I bet if you go into an American RU-vidr's years old content, they probably have more relaxed speech. Their current speech patterns are probably far more formal.
@chrishealy1679
@chrishealy1679 5 месяцев назад
I think I make that exact distinction in my own speech. Somewhere up there Dr. Lindsey says he brings this exact thing up in his video about hard attack too.
@wethekitties
@wethekitties 5 месяцев назад
This video has illuminated so much about my own speech patterns, it's just astounding to me. I am an American (Southern Californian) and I hard attack, and I am not even really "young" (mid-40s). I assume everyone younger than me and also from my region do so also (upon reflection I am certain all my local peers do). The hard attack does probably get more pronounced when I am speaking with emotion or with animation (i.e., excitement), or trying to speak persuasively (to convince or otherwise make a point), but, no, it is not merely "presentational", it just *is*, and if Dr G is to be believed, and I think he most certainly should be, the hard attack is almost assuredly why I glottal-T so many words that I, by conventional wisdom, shouldn't. It is the missing piece of the puzzle I've been looking for for a long time now.
@roblowe1987
@roblowe1987 5 месяцев назад
I agree. My son has completely different speech patterns when talking at woror with me than when he speaks with his friends.
@Krista2882
@Krista2882 4 месяца назад
yes, it reminds me of the way news reporters and news anchors speak.
@charlotteice5704
@charlotteice5704 4 месяца назад
I agree. I'm not a native English speaker, but we do this in German too. When I speak casually, I often omit glottal stops. "Hier hast du einen..." turns into "hier hasdn...", with three words melting into one. But I have a presentation mode too: when I care about getting a point across, being clear etc, I speak "more clearly" as I was taught, which means not ommiting glottal stops, vowels and so on.
@justindonie
@justindonie 20 дней назад
Around age 40 (the year 2000-ish), as a male photographer of female models and actresses, I started noticing that the younger women I worked with (who were roughly half my age) handled their "T"s very differently than I did. You described very well what the phenomenon sounded like, glottal T followed by an added vowel I myself wouldn't have pronounced. My favorite example being in the word "didn't", which to my ear sounded like they were saying "di'-int". Living in Ohio at the time, I associated it with something they'd picked up listening to women from the American south and west coast on various TV shows and internet videos. But how the spread into normal midwestern American for women of that age actually transpired, I have no clue. Thanks for this video, it really helped me understand a lot better what I'm actually hearing versus what I thought I was hearing.
@evanmiracle2945
@evanmiracle2945 Месяц назад
A friend of mine who lives in Michigan has noticed that the glottalisation of t in younger speakers in “mountain”, “decanted” and “painter” results in a stressed nasalised vowel followed by ʔ and a schwa or barred i before the final consonant
@robertmacpherson9044
@robertmacpherson9044 5 месяцев назад
I am so glad to see you address this. I first started hearing it back in the late 80s, in central NY state, and thought it was regional and socioeconomic. Since then, of course, it has come to be everywhere. The surprising thing is that many people seem not to be able to hear it. When I point out how we used to say a word, compared to how it's now said, look blank and say they never noticed.
@rogerwilco2
@rogerwilco2 5 месяцев назад
I am always surprised that so many people are such poor listeners.
@Vinemaple
@Vinemaple 5 месяцев назад
Welcome to the world of English pronunciation!
@papaicebreakerii8180
@papaicebreakerii8180 5 месяцев назад
That’s wild asf. That’s j how language changes goes ig. Nb speaking it realizes it’s changing until it’s completely unrecognizable centuries later. Ship of Theseus type shii
@hbowman108
@hbowman108 5 месяцев назад
I moved to Ithaca in the mid 1990s and I noticed that too.
@joadbreslin5819
@joadbreslin5819 5 месяцев назад
Most people, in general, are not good at noticing small, gradual changes.
@the_eternal_paradox
@the_eternal_paradox 5 месяцев назад
Just experimented with a friend, I found that not only did they freely use regular t, flapping, and glottal stop + hard vowel attack, in some cases they even dropped the t completely and relied on the listener being able to hear differences between two vowels to recognize the t For example, in "legitimately", I noticed they dropped the first t (the second one was glottal) and pronounced the two i's as the "ih" in "kit" becoming a schwa (I'm not very good with IPA). I think some people could chalk up this sort of t-pronunciation as being lazy, but I do it too, so something else to think about...
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
"Legimately" sounds like a rapid speech pronunciation. We pretty much all do this. It's amazing how our brain reconstructs words that we only partially say.
@marmac83
@marmac83 5 месяцев назад
I s'pose@@DrGeoffLindsey
@Ravie3
@Ravie3 5 месяцев назад
I (from Michigan) would tap the first t in “legitimately” and glottalize the second t.
@darkshadowrule2952
@darkshadowrule2952 5 месяцев назад
​​@@Ravie3yeah, I'm from Iowa and the first T goes more into that T/D crossover sound with a touch more T on the second, the first one just feels like a weak letter
@Sakanakao
@Sakanakao 4 месяца назад
As a Canadian from Ontario, when I lived in California the glottal in "bitten" and "mitten" stood out to me a lot. Also the name "Martin", which always made me think of the theme song to the Martin TV show in the 90s (starring Martin Lawrence), where it was a very prominent element of the music. Your video has been interesting in helping me identify the more consistent places where it might occur.
@phila9288
@phila9288 5 месяцев назад
We dropped the T in Boston and never looked back
@kiraviolet
@kiraviolet 5 месяцев назад
As an example in my American speech, I pronounce the words "mitten", "smitten", "written", etc. with a glottal stop in place of T. Same thing before suffixes in "flightless", "fitness", "witness", "shirtless", "fitful". Also "heightened, brightened, fateful"
@bjones8470
@bjones8470 5 месяцев назад
This is what I have noticed a pretty dramatic change in. The way words are pronounced with a double t in the middle of the word. I’m 59 and I use a glottal stop when I say mitten but it’s like mi-in and the second syllable has less emphasis. When I hear younger Americans saying the word it sounds like mi-en with a hard pronunciation of the second syllable and it fascinated me that I was actually seeing a shift in the language. Unfortunately when I tried to point this out to my niece she thought I was criticizing her when that wasn’t it at all. It’s also funny that while typing this in my head every “t” in every word was pronounced completely not at all the way I actually speak
@davidlericain
@davidlericain 5 месяцев назад
Me too. Also I say cotton with a glottal stop, and I'm a 44 year old male. I don't think this is a new phenomenon at all.
@ronanmcintyre
@ronanmcintyre 5 месяцев назад
I'm pretty sure I've heard all of these before but I'm having trouble imagining "fitful" or "fateful" with a glottal stop while still sounding American
@jamesnite2157
@jamesnite2157 5 месяцев назад
How do you pronounce 'important'? I've noticed quite a lot of Americans use a glottal stop (e.g. 'impor[ʔ]an') and wondered whether it's more common in a specific region of the USA.
@davidlericain
@davidlericain 5 месяцев назад
@@jamesnite2157 I honestly think almost all Americans use the glottal stop to say important. I can't think of any other way we'd say it. Unless you're enunciating for effect.
@j.r.1210
@j.r.1210 5 месяцев назад
I first became aware of this trend 20 years ago, when the American rock band The White Stripes released the song, "The Hardest Button to Button." It was a glottal orgy! I found the sound quite grating, but of course this kind of pronunciation has proliferated in the U.S. since then.
@brandongorte4746
@brandongorte4746 4 месяца назад
The White Stripes are from Detroit and speak Inland North, specifically the Michiganese variant. There are a lot of glottal stops in Michiganese, and a number of them are carryovers from their German and Dutch ancestors. You can probably hear it in Kid Rock and Bob Seger songs as well.
@JonnyFlash80
@JonnyFlash80 4 месяца назад
It still doesn't excuse people for saying "buh-in" nowadays.
@lisablacker3102
@lisablacker3102 4 месяца назад
That song was the first thing that came to my mind, as an example of glottal T.
@lisablacker3102
@lisablacker3102 4 месяца назад
​@@brandongorte4746I've spent all my life in northern IL, and it's pretty common here, as well. I think it's a little softer, and more "buh•n."
@helenadzelalijahammerschmi4168
@helenadzelalijahammerschmi4168 4 месяца назад
Thank you so much for your research and videos! They are so interesting and fun to watch! I can't believe this one was 25' long, it felt like less than 10'. 💜
@garylshelton2463
@garylshelton2463 5 месяцев назад
I've been hoping someone somewhere would say something about all the young people now saying sweet-EHN, cert-EHN, fount-EHN, or my name Shelt-UHN. It was exciting to hear Dr. Lindsey mention this in his video. A glottal T with an inserted vowel, I believe he called it. For me, at 64, and living in the Midwest my whole life I don't ever recall this being a thing until around maybe ten years ago. Now it seems it's everywhere. All the youngsters in waitress and cashier jobs are saying these things constantly. In restaurants you have to be prepared for "Do you want un-sweet-EHNED tea or sweet-EHNED tea?" My wife and I always silently look at each other when someone says this to us because it sounds so jarring. I heard an episode of The Five once in the past year where Greg Gutfeld said he wouldn't address the guest's question until he pronounced it correctly. This is what he was referring to. The guest used this glottal T and inserted a vowel in some word. It was fun to know Gutfeld was as bothered by it as I am.
@susanpage8315
@susanpage8315 4 месяца назад
Those make me cringe!
@Andyg2g
@Andyg2g 5 месяцев назад
I’m convinced Dr. Geoff Lindsey is a genius. These videos are truly incredible. Thank you for opening my eyes to the peculiarities and nuance of language!
@TheOtherMwalimu
@TheOtherMwalimu 5 месяцев назад
We dropped tea a long time ago.
@sr-kt9ml
@sr-kt9ml 5 месяцев назад
Boom roasted
@n16161
@n16161 2 месяца назад
Lmao at this. 😂😂 Best comment I’ve seen all year.
@humilulo
@humilulo Месяц назад
haha. fyi: i heard that tea wasn't the most abundant product in that party. but I haven't looked up whether that seems true or not based on the best evidence that I can find.
@marylyons1881
@marylyons1881 4 месяца назад
I love these videos. I only understand a fraction of what you talk about, but i appreciate your brilliance an' energy!
@kmcq692
@kmcq692 5 месяцев назад
I’m so glad to hear this strange new insertion described because I certainly have noticed it!
@dylanevans3237
@dylanevans3237 5 месяцев назад
I was a bit sad that the "center"/"international" example didnt get more time, as someone with the winter-winner merger. But there is another complicated example that might deserve more exploration, which is T-flapping after L (e.g. "alter", "falter") where us Americans tend to disagree. Notably, if you watch NFL games, you will notice a lot of variation in how the commentators and referees pronounce "Baltimore" and "penalty".
@Foudroyant20
@Foudroyant20 5 месяцев назад
Is it a pure merger though? To me 'winter' does trigger the (intent of) a flap that can't be fully produced because of / n / and is absorbed by it. I feel a tiny difference but maybe it's just me.
@la_lavanda
@la_lavanda 5 месяцев назад
The phonology section of the wikipedia page for American English says that intervocalic /nt/ can be reduced to a nasalized flap [ɾ̃] or just completely merge with /n/. Some people pronounce winner and winter both as [ˈwɪnɚ], some distinguish both as [ˈwɪnɚ] and [wɪɾ̃ɚ], and some maintain the original distinction between [ˈwɪnɚ] and [ˈwɪntɚ].
@Foudroyant20
@Foudroyant20 5 месяцев назад
@@la_lavanda thanks
@daev3000
@daev3000 5 месяцев назад
I was disappointed by this too, since it's a big topic of discussion in my city, Toronto.
@cujo3097
@cujo3097 5 месяцев назад
Greg Olsen is the poster boy for this phenomenon... to took a "shah" downfield. hahahaha
@PenneySounds
@PenneySounds 5 месяцев назад
There's a trend I've noticed in younger Americans where they do the stereotypical British working class glottal T to such a degree that it actually sounds like two separate words. For example, the word "certain". Instead of just replacing the T with a glottal stop, it's spoken as if it were two words, with the first word being pronounced fully rather than as a shortened weak form, and a hard attack on the second word. So instead of "certain", it sounds like "sir N". They almost pause and go completely silent between the two syllables. The first time I heard it was in a Collegehumor sketch called "Gluten free duck", which portrays a duck complaining about the bread it's being fed, saying things like "Does that bread have glue N? Because I can't eat glue N." It was exaggerated for the sketch, but after that I started hearing it everywhere.
@ITAC85
@ITAC85 4 месяца назад
I do the same thing with the word "button". To my parents, it sounds like I'm saying "Bu N", and they joke around about it a lot. I don't even notice I do it until someone points it out.
@pauladuncanadams1750
@pauladuncanadams1750 4 месяца назад
i've heard a lot of people 30-under do this quite a bit in the last decade? I wonder if it's Harry Potter?
@PenneySounds
@PenneySounds 4 месяца назад
@@pauladuncanadams1750 I doubt it. It doesn't sound very Bri'ish the way they do it, and most of the accents in Harry Potter were very BriTTish.
@woodfur00
@woodfur00 4 месяца назад
I can't hear any difference between that and what was discussed in this video.
@pauladuncanadams1750
@pauladuncanadams1750 4 месяца назад
@@woodfur00 my thoughts too.
@quinntalley1681
@quinntalley1681 5 месяцев назад
What a fun video! I have no idea why it came up in my stream, but I hovered and got hooked immediately. Your video answered a question that I'd thought about often when listening to young youtubers: Where did that first 't' go in important?
@SpiritmanProductions
@SpiritmanProductions 4 месяца назад
Finally! It's such a facepalm moment when auto captions on US speech show "medal" when they meant "metal", and "hurdling" when they meant "hurtling", etc. At least the Bri'ish glottal T is distinct from other letters, unlike the flap that sounds just like a D.
@alec4025
@alec4025 3 месяца назад
I always found it odd when they just remove the t entirely. Like the word dentist, they just say it like the name Dennis.
@Tellusmapping
@Tellusmapping Месяц назад
​@@alec4025 I wonder why some people here don't pronounce the nt in center and winter.
@Myrtlecrack
@Myrtlecrack Месяц назад
@@alec4025 I pronounce the T.
@elizabliss6528
@elizabliss6528 Месяц назад
A lot of Americans say innernet, and Anartic, instead of Internet and Antarctic. Grrrr.
@thevilmoron
@thevilmoron 5 месяцев назад
Young American speech tends more and more to be influenced by African American speech, both in lexicon and accent. I've always assumed the increase in hard attack is related to that. I also notice that especially with articles, where 'a' and 'the' sometimes only appear in their schwa form, without variation before vowels. This is accomplished by treating hard attack almost like a consonant
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Yes, hard attack is quite consonantal. In my original blog, I suggested that if hard attack is a consonant, then /t/ before it could become a glottal stop anyway, so like doʔ com we get doʔ ʔorg. Then maybe the two glottal stops merge?
@andthatsshannii
@andthatsshannii 5 месяцев назад
I don't know why the phrase "American flapping" has me giggling so much
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Yes, after I'd said it so many times it started sounding crazy to me.
@PiousMoltar
@PiousMoltar 5 месяцев назад
As soon as I read your comment he said "American flaps" and I just.... 🤣
@macksonamission1784
@macksonamission1784 5 месяцев назад
A throwback to the roaring '20s!
@arcadecaptainYT
@arcadecaptainYT 5 месяцев назад
Dude always brings to my attention something about my language that I’ve never even noticed or thought about. Awesome
@williamfranks1215
@williamfranks1215 Месяц назад
The attack sound is what we call "influencer speak." I hope people don't pick this up as "normal" speech.
@anngeni
@anngeni 3 дня назад
I mean, I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and glottal stops are part of the "normal" accent here. Never associated it with RU-vid influencers
@MalcolmCooks
@MalcolmCooks 5 месяцев назад
Dr Geoff, I started watching your videos out of sheer curiousity, kept watching because of how well you break everything down and make it understandable to people with no background in linguistics - but what I have learned from your videos helps me in my work! I'm a musician and I love using speech synthesis, which requires me to transcribe vocals into phonemes. I realised quite quickly that the "correct" phonemes makes synthesised speech/singing sound very strange and awkward, and your videos have helped me move past the trial and error method of getting natural sounding vocals!
@angeldude101
@angeldude101 5 месяцев назад
One of the most famous scenes from Xenoblade 3 gave us "wotah" poking fun at one of the characters' Welsh accent, especially since it's juxtaposed with another character's tapping American accent. Less well famous is a scene with the same word from two other characters, including a glotalizing Cockney accent. So there are at least 3 different pronunciations of "water" within one game. I'll also mention that all 4 of these characters are main party members and no one in-game points out the different accents. "Wotah" "Wawder" and "Wo'ah"
@isharpu1977
@isharpu1977 5 месяцев назад
I didn't expect Xeno 3, but it actually is a pretty interesting mix of accents to examine isn't it
@angeldude101
@angeldude101 5 месяцев назад
​@@isharpu1977Xenoblade 2 was much easier to distinguish since the accents were based more on where the characters were from, whereas Xenoblade 3 has less consistency to how they're distributed, causing more ambiguity as to which accent a character has.
@wugsessed
@wugsessed 20 дней назад
Fascinating video. I first noticed this when I moved to NYC for my undergrad linguistics degree. I did student teaching at an elementary school in Chinatown. I heard the glottal T in "mountain" and "button" from the teachers, not just students. This was around 2014, where I was saying [ˈmaʊnʔn̩] and heard others more than 5 years my senior say [ˈmãʊ̃ʔɪn̩]. I say [ˈbʌt̚n̩] (no audible release [t]) but heard folks from New Jersey say [ˈbʌʔɪn̩]. The difference between these is my glottal stops for t might've been unreleased [t] most of the time (i.e., my tongue is alveolar ridge-bound), but for these New Jerseyites, I definitely noticed their glottal stops were following almost no tongue movement from the vowel position. This was incredibly noticeable with "button" since my STRUT vowel was "closed off" (the formants pinched a bit in praat) but for those who said "buh-in" the formants were much more even for the duration. But even for "mountain", they would nasalize the vowels and drop the "nt" so "mou-in".
@qzxerty
@qzxerty Месяц назад
Thank you for this video. I noticed this gradual change visiting the United States and Canada frequently particularly in speakers under 25. Always wanted to know more about it!
@kylew5331
@kylew5331 5 месяцев назад
I find myself doing hard attack on vowels at the start of words when I am intentionally trying to enunciate or speak clearly, like in a presentation or when talking to a foreign English speaker
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Exactly, I call it 'presentational' speech. In my hard attack video I show how much less of it one RU-vidr uses when she's chatting on the phone.
@carolynelliott1439
@carolynelliott1439 5 месяцев назад
I (Irish) find that I do it when I'm placing emphasis on the word, whereas I do it less on unemphasised vowel words
@fritzvanorden9712
@fritzvanorden9712 5 месяцев назад
Yes! When people use a long A for "a", which they otherwise always pronounce as "uh" and "thee" for "the", otherwise always pronounced as "thuh".
@Poparad
@Poparad 5 месяцев назад
I live near Canton, Ohio (named after Canton, China) and we can always spot a local versus an outsider by how they pronounce the city name. We use the glottal T and syllabic N to make it "Can'n" like "Moun'n" for "Mountain" versus an outsider's more complete "Can-ton."
@blackgirloffgrid1054
@blackgirloffgrid1054 4 месяца назад
Cant'n or Canttun 😅
@dingman10able
@dingman10able 3 месяца назад
As a Cleveland, Ohio person I guess I’ve always pronounced it Cantin😂
@CosmosMarinerDU
@CosmosMarinerDU 2 месяца назад
I need to say something about the wonderfully quietly amusing humor in these videos. Absolutely charming!
@AnthroJoe
@AnthroJoe 3 месяца назад
I have just discovered your channel and I love it. My own insights as a Gen-X flat/standard midwest american english speaker (originally from Ohio, a state with a large German and English historical ancestry, and where major cities had german language public schools well into the early 20th century), my spontaneous reaction is that the hard attack vs the flap pronunciation between words has a lot to do with emphasis and urgency tone. When generic middle-Americans try to sound angry or intense, we also try to sound stereotypically German, and this is tied to popular culture in late 20th century media depictions of angry/intense German accents in film and television. So I think the flap sounds more "calm" (NOT "carm" ;) and the glottal stop sounds more "urgent". You (Dr Lindsey) pointed out when it appeared idiosyncratically in one of the videos of a You Tuber talking about the columbian exchange of eurasian crowd diseases in Hispanola, and I think you might be able to hear the contextual difference of the two pronunciations of the same phrase. In the first case he was emphatically / intensely introducing the fact, and in the second case he had relaxed his tone and was mentioning it in passing, as a mere matter of fact rather than a matter of intruigue. So as the intensity of speech declined, the flap replaced the stop.
@Mitril47
@Mitril47 5 месяцев назад
Hello Dr. Lindsay - I'm a Lithuanian that's lived in the UK for 13 years and when I originally came to the UK to Sheffield I sounded Australian for no reason whatsoever (to the point where me and my friends convinced an Aussie exchange student that I was from Sydney and he demanded to see my passport when we finally broke the news to him a year later). Today my accent wanders and meanders in weird ways, making Europeans believe I'm British, and Brits to be very confused. I think a key feature of my accent is genuine t-dropping (which is not at all a feature of Lithuanian, for example), rather than flapping or glottaling. Would you like to have a chat and see if you could make it into an interesting linguistics video?
@lesscott4301
@lesscott4301 5 месяцев назад
As a Geordie speaker, I have noticed people saying that we do not pronounce 't' in the middle of a word. Admittedly it is soft and sometimes pronounced as a 'd". I once heard a dialect coach teaching actors to speak in a Geordie accent by dropping ALL midword 't' s. The first time I heard someone try this in TV drama, I thought they must be portraying someone with a severe speech impediment.😂
@th8257
@th8257 5 месяцев назад
Fellow Geordie - Don't think I've ever heard it pronounced as a D? What words were you thinking of? The glottalling of the t is common, but don't think it turns into a D sound?
@loveeevee396
@loveeevee396 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely wonderful video! I love linguistics, and you explained things wonderfully
@DrGeoffLindsey
@DrGeoffLindsey 5 месяцев назад
Thank you so much!
@thomashutcheson3343
@thomashutcheson3343 5 месяцев назад
Great video! The glottal T in front of the syllabic n is a long-time feature of the western Massachusetts accent (well, I first encountered it personally 45 years ago). I work in the town of Dalton, which regional natives universally pronounce "Dal - n", the hyphen standing for the glottal stop. I've also heard "di - nt" for "didn't" and a number of similar examples, suggesting a broader glottal dental. I'll see if I can get some examples.
@sorry9861
@sorry9861 5 месяцев назад
T-flapping is actually possible between two vowels AND two liquids. For example, the flap in 'chortle' is preceded by the retroflex liquid and followed by the lateral liquid.
@LampDX
@LampDX 5 месяцев назад
Hello Dr. Lindsay, excellent video! I believe an aspect of this trend worth considering is the realities of a society that communicates more and more via microphone! A glottal stop has a much lower chance of creating a nasty plosive in your recording than a softened /t/ sound. To my American ears, a lot of the glottal stops seem to be replacing /t/ sounds that are more often hardened than say, in “city.” The examples you gave also only occur in places where the glottal stop doesn’t introduce any additional speaking time, preventing their adoption from interfering with the traditional rhythm of Standard American speech (stopping during “ci-iy” would introduce a surprising pause). One has to wonder if the trend has an origin in people cutting nasty plosives out of their recordings online (manually or by a de-essing program), eventually becoming adopted to avoid the need in the first place, and ultimately finding place in day-to-day speech! Additionally, I believe this could also provide a basis for the reintroduction of vowels after preexisting glottal stops before /n/. When recording my voice, I find a mostly nasal sound like /n/ is captured disproportionately quietly. This effect is amplified as microphone quality decreases, and further still when introducing VoIP compression and basic noise gating found in most software like Teams, Zoom, Discord, etc. Perhaps this is overselling the impact of digital communication, but I’m curious if this aspect has been considered in the wider literature. Cheers!
@sonnyjim2181
@sonnyjim2181 19 дней назад
This is fascinating. I’m Canadian and I totally use hard attack vowels and dropped Ts. I’ve never noticed it before at all.
@lodragan
@lodragan 5 месяцев назад
Since the emergence of multimedia on the internet, and its ubiquity across international boundaries previously impervious to outside influence - variations in language and accents are now possible to be heard by anyone with a broad enough subscription list. For example, on RU-vid I subscribe and regularly listen to New Zealand, Great Britain, Ireland, Canadian, Australian, Central American, South American, South African, Indian, Ukrainian, Russian, German, French, Italian, Japanese, and Chinese channels all of which speak English in different forms. I think an interesting study would be to look at the top influential videos over the past 20 years, and track their exposure across international boundaries to discover if they have a significant impact on language, or not. I'm guessing young developing and impressionable minds will congregate on certain speech patterns they hear more frequently, and that the source of those patterns must have enough mass to overcome the resistance to previous patterns. Building that mass organically previously was a slow process (e.g. my speech patterns don't vary much from my parents - many idioms are identical between me and both my parents and my grandparents [I'm 59, my parents are in their 80s - and my grandparents would be 100+ if they were alive]). Today I detect more significant changes - grand departures - in the speech patterns of my children who are in their 20s and 30s, than I ever did between my forebears. When I was young I used to think my language differed, but later I found that the words I was using were rehashing old words. For example, 'man' ('bloke' in UK) - I first started using that word, "hey, man!" when I was 12 or 13. I'd never heard my parents use that before, and thought it highly original. For me, the source of the term was from my peers - and it became the most common vernacular greeting. Later on I saw movies from different eras, and found that it was used all the way back into the beginning of movies, and later still in even older books. So, it really wasn't new at all - it was just regurgitated into the language with enough mass to keep it going. The opposite of that happened with my children, who have a language that is a significant departure from English spoken by Americans in the last century, not only their dictionary/jargon, but also their accents and speech patterns. I question whether they will be able to grasp the past, since the meanings of common words are now changing at a rapid rate, without some Rosetta Stone to allow them to translate between the two. Often I find myself completely at a loss when trying to communicate with young people, not only me - but THEM. Some of them don't understand what I'm saying, whereas I always understood what my parents generation, and my grandparents generation were saying without the need of a translator - and I don't recall a single conversation with friends in my youth complaining about not understanding the words our elders were using. I guess my question is - what the heck is going on? Am I just getting old, or are we really in an era of significant and accelerating change in our language?
@BookishDark
@BookishDark 5 месяцев назад
This is so fascinating!! I used to speak a bit differently - I’m not sure why I changed certain pronunciations. I’m 40 and live in New England (NY-CT metro area). I used to use glottal stops/flaps for words like “mountain” and “counter” and have changed to pronounce those with sharp “t’s”. Most people in my region still use the stop or tap in those words. It might be because I used to work with toddlers and read them a LOT of books out loud - I wanted to speak very clearly for them and it seems to have changed my speech a lot. This is so so interesting! The hard attack seems to be dependent on what we’re talking about - we seem to use it a lot when we’re speaking in a lecture-type voice - and I’d actually wager that RU-vid has influenced it a lot because everyone tends to use the same exact delivery. Too be honest, most amateur people on RU-vid seem to speak in their videos like they’re eight year olds giving oral reports at school and it’s AWFUL lol it strikes me that hard attack stems from that place in people’s brains here in the states - people wanting to sound “professional” or “smart” and they revert to how they spoke in school. I’d also say that hard attack is IMMENSELY influenced by the Kardashians - their vocal fry and slower and more deliberate way of speaking (especially Kourtney) has both features.
@cuzned1375
@cuzned1375 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely the best segue into a Ground News spot that i’ve heard - and, hoo boy, i’ve heard a lot of ‘em.
@cremsen1
@cremsen1 2 месяца назад
Oh no sir! Hi, middle-aged general american here, in response to 23:00, cotton, button, and mountain, have always contained glottal stops, for me and most everone else I know. (Well, possibly a glottal stop along with an unreleased T closure, but certainly a glottal stop.) Your other three examples; "biting", "proud of", and "city" - yes, those are flaps. -- Your stuff is excellent! Thank you so much for doing this!
@johnhammond5379
@johnhammond5379 5 дней назад
Utterly fascinating. Thank you.
@jordanfinch6247
@jordanfinch6247 5 месяцев назад
Since I was about 5, I've wondered why people (in south-west England) pronounce my name, Jordan, with some sort of back-of-the-throat /d/ that isn't quite a /d/ sound. Now I realise it's a result of the glottal stop + syllabic N together (I think). Thanks!
@marthahines1979
@marthahines1979 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video, I have been bothered by how many times I hear the first T dropped in the word “important “ now I know that it is a glottal T. It drives me nuts (lol) I’ll be checking out your channel more! Greetings from Seattle 😊
@deepoole820
@deepoole820 2 месяца назад
Your videos are fascinating. Thank you.
@Valicore
@Valicore 5 месяцев назад
You really made me think about the class judgments I make when I hear both the reinsertion of a kind of epinthetic vowel in cases of syllabic /n/ and also glottal stop for /t/ in American English. Both I relate to less educated speech or English in certain immigrant communities.
@azelmamortlake4471
@azelmamortlake4471 5 месяцев назад
My take on this is that it's a combination of two things: one, younger people are, I feel, more likely to put emphasis on speaking clearly, especially with the rise of social media. It's much easier for others to understand you when you're posting videos of yourself speaking if you are using hard attack to separate the words out more. Also, with the constant possibility of having your voice caught on video, I think you just become much more aware of how you speak. Two, it could be that because of the internet, we're exposed so frequently to such a broad range of accents, including UK ones, that our speech begins to unconsciously mirror the speech of those we constantly hear day-to-day. I can say that for me personally, I probably watch at least one video with a British person speaking at least once a day- not because I'm particularly an Anglophile, but because there just happens to be a lot of British people out there making videos.
@Baard5Szomoru
@Baard5Szomoru 5 месяцев назад
Regarding younger people I think it's the opposite, they could care less about speaking clearly they'll just spit whatever they have to say.
@michavandam
@michavandam 4 месяца назад
In that case you'd better not start listening frequently to Davie504.
@voz805
@voz805 4 месяца назад
I agree that young people posting videos may be trying to consciously enunciate so their viewers understand them, and the examples here were pretty much RU-vid and the like. But as a middle-aged American I found the two young women shown in the most examples to have affected pronunciations and sounded obnoxious - I'd click them off fairly quickly. And that guy, The Action Lab, he could be Californian by his harder Rs with some nasal twang thrown in that hurt my ears, certainly not Eastern or Mid-Western. Thankfully, the young people I'm around don't sound like these samples.
@Afinati
@Afinati 2 месяца назад
​@Baard5Szomoru This has not been my observation. I have worked with students in the Midwest and Northeast, poor and wealthy ... and generally I'm surprised by their clearer enunciation. I recall headier times, especially when I watch shows from my childhood in the '90's. Young people are definitely interacting with a wider base of accents and English familiarity and are adapting to be better understood.
@lewistrotter1039
@lewistrotter1039 5 месяцев назад
I worked at a theatre in Kansas where--dividing the backstage and the house--was a little black curtain. Throughout the rehearsal process, anytime anyone was coming in and out, they'd have to say, "curtain" to avoid running into someone coming the opposite way. I picked up on the variable 'glottal t' and 'syllabic n' because we had a wide age range of people from all over the US. I wish I knew about this then so I could've seen any correlation between region, age, and pronunciation of "curtain"!
@m8x8m
@m8x8m 5 месяцев назад
@14:00 Would classifying this particular phoneme of T as a fricative stop be correct? I am so fascinated by this! Taking in account of the overtone series found within pitch, the sudden postural change of the tongue produces a subtle shift in the word's inflection which indicates an end to the word. It is also done using the front of the oropharynx so it is closest to the listener... i.e. this phoneme juxtaposes subtlety of pitch shift but prominence in the dynamics of volume. There is also a visual indicator for seeing people that clarifies even further that it IS in fact a T being pronounced and not some flub of diction. So much to consider!
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