I have to say, I really enjoyed watching this video. Not only was the topic extremly interesting but the way you presented it and talked about it was incredible to me. Huge props to you man, It would be very cool to see more videos of this style in the future
Thank you for being a representative of the community for foraging. This community absolutely wants foraging, but has been too unfocused to actually spearhead a movement like you
So strange that the largest server in Minecraft is running on a 10 year old version of the game. This is a huge problem because newer players are alienated and will naturally gravitate towards servers that are running on the latest versions. A full-scale Hypixel version update is imperative for their continued success. After working for Hypixel myself, I’m very confident in the team’s ability to innovate, despite their constraints. I thought Hytale would be their way to break out of the box Mojang put them in, but God only knows when/if that’s gonna happen. I’m sure they’ll find a way.
Strongly disagree. If they stopped operating on 1.8.9 the majority of online Minecraft players (who come from pvp communities and despise any update after 1.9) will leave and the game will die. Saying players gravitate to other servers is goofy considering that hypixel has such a large monopoly (over 10x larger than the second largest server).
I would say he is on NDA considering he said "unreleased project" when asked his favourite, either that or he just respects the spoiler free experience
They rlly need a community manager. Before watching this vid, I thought the dev team was just lazy and/or incompetent, but now I see why things are so difficult. But not a whole lot of ppl will see this vid, so many ppl will still have the same opinion I used to have unless someone can come out and make a statement
11:10 completely agree. When Hytale was first announced, I thought they would migrate all of Hypixel including SkyBlock into it. It make complete sense to me, you get better graphics, more freedom, and lose all the problems associated with 1.8 minecraft but they never did
Very interesting. Thank you Mr Rail always, you’re the best. There’s something so mysterious about Hypixel as we know nothing about it imo and it’s fascinating anytime I hear something new.
About the EU servers skyblock is highly cooperative meaning if they split the servers between US and EU less players on either one which makes gameplay a lot harder
I may pass as a hater, but then why didn't they tell us ? I doubt they need a CM or someone paid to communicate with the community to just make a part in 2023 resume about what they're struggling with. Hypixel Skyblock dev/admin team is mostly bashed because they say they would do things, and the only things we see are just... nothingness and deceptions. We were told foraging update for years now, and we haven't even been told what they're struggling on. Now that Dueces came in and clarified the issue with Tech Debt, I think it'll allow the playerbase to be much more at ease and less demanding for updates every time a new patch note for a minor update is posted. Now that I think about it, I feel dumb to not think "Hypixel is more than 10 yo, OF COURSE they had to update the code to make new content and hypixel is just massive" and just thinking sh*t of what the devs are doing for foraging update, and i'm sure a lot of people are like me. But once again, it doesn't justify that we didn't even have any hint on what the admins are doing AT ALL. It's almost sad and really bad that an ex-admin had to make the clarifications on what the devs are having problems with... Hope the admins will actually talk to us, even in really stupidly simplified language. It'd also put A LOT LESS pressure on them (I strongly think that them wanting to release the first foraging island on alpha early is due to the pressure of the community. You CANNOT change my mind.) and actually let them work in peace. A dev with a peaceful mind working on regular hours will be always better than an overworked pressured dev.
I 100% agree with you, the fact they need to rework the entire server just to update to a newer version of Minecraft should at least been told to us some time ago, yeah sure little Timmy would still talk crap because of delays and such but at least is a reasonable reason to justify a delay, idk all this situation could be so much better if they were more open with the community.
this is very common in development teams. they simply arent allowed by management to speak that way, blame the companies, not the developers, on this matter.
@@TheShizzlemop Then im gonna sh*t on the management. Feels stupid that the ones in charge of doing the thing can't talk about it. Maybe outside of working hours, just like a forum answer or smth to actually tell us smth should be allowed...
@@Clytax i 100% would. i have a separate install instance optimized specifically for skyblock. i dont mind having to launch the game with another button, i do it already as is.
The fact it’s now September without the foraging update kinda shows how nothing has changed since he left and he was right with his pessimism… but at least we have more fire sales right
This is what we needed, something to clear the waters and give us just the smallest reason of why this takes so long. I’m not saying it saves then completely but this still helps with just reassuring me that work is happening
He says a community manager would be pointless because a lot of the information would go over players heads, but thats the point of a community manager. a community manager knows how to take the jargon that devs speak with (like "tech debt") and turn it into understandable messages (old code needs to be updated before new systems can be built). a community manager's job includes making whats going on understandable to the average player/user. he's thinking of a community manager as somebody that just releases statements, but a community manager does more than that.
@@Derailious true, there is no point in a comparison. Yet I always wonder "what if the SB would look like Hytale". Also this discussion made me hit the wall of reality again, the future of the SB is so uncertain...
Imagine hypixel sb actually becoming its own game in unreal engine. It would be very difficult but so sick. Edit: I do want it to stay on minecraft though cuz i dont wanna restart
If they managed to migrate it’s unlikely you would have to migrate, they have all the information in a database the hard part would be finding a way to map it into unreal or whatever but the data is there
hypixel making hytale is my most waited game right now just for the fact that they could make skyblock in it so much faster than minecraft with it being made to add gamemodes like this
Tech debt really is annoying. As a git developer, every time I take on an old repository, there’s like 100+ vulnerabilities and a dozen dependencies that I have to update just to get it running, and this can really take up a lot of time
Btw they could operate the system just like wynncraft, which would easily work for recources etc, but it would massively impact plugins, but it would profit all parts of the server
i think another good reason the dev's don't mention what they are working on in detail any more is the amount of malicious activity in the game, there are literally people connecting with hacked accounts run directly from servers near hypixel hq to be able to instantly bazaar flip before an item even comes off cooldown. if people with the coding ability to do this can see exactly how the back end of hypixel servers work who knows what other malicious activities they could do
For Hypixel to update to newer versions, it would be easier to do a whole rewrite on a newer version than to update old code that has a huge amount of tech debt.
im not suprised hypixel devs get harassed. this is the minecraft community. where you get called a "Mojang meat rider" for explaining how coding works. and where people give the most unfair criticism possible towards mojang and minecraft server devs
people will always hate on the devs doesnt matter if its a if its a game made by 1 person or 1000 the real last update we got was the pest update 6 month ago and all we the same about future content as we did then they just dont speak to us so we make noise to be noticed even if its hating on the devs they have their reason whether or not they are valid is a different matter. is hitting a block for hours really fun? sure up until lvl 200 you have plenty of content but when you at that point the game is just walk here hit this over and over again. that also doesnt even count the content that you might not enjoy in the first place (taming update cough cough holy sh&t that was bad). and its not like we are being given any reason to think they are making any progress the real last update we got was the pest update 6 month ago and we know the same about future content as we did then. they just dont speak to us so we make noise to be noticed even if its hating on the devs
@@bruhmoment9429 yeah I do think the grind should be fun and grindy only to a reasonable extent. Cause right now the best NPC money method is one of the most boring involving mining gemstones and I wish they added an item that requires enough ruby to make it above NPC price on the bazaar thus solving inflation and fixing the money grind But I think harassing the devs gives them more reason to ignore the community
I always thought I would be cool if hytale would release then hypixel puts skyblock on it as a main game mode. The whole game would be in c++ rather than java. They could make anything they wanted while keeping the Minecraft feel
11:06 I agree, in fact i think if Hytale somehow actually releases, Hypixel Skyblock should be the first thing transferred to it. The only thing i don't like about Hytale now is that they're trying to make it cross-platform, but that adds A LOT of technical difficulties and you just can't make a PC game work as good on mobile. Don't forget about mobile players being mostly casuals and PC gamers has a lot higher % of tryhards
like dueces said, I really hope they remake skyblock in a different engine. I've always figured that Hytale would be PERFECT to move the game to (assuming it's likely to come out in a while)
I disagree with them not communicating because "the playerbase wouldn't understand", there will be people who will blindly scream in rage due to lack of the update, yes, but the rest of the community, 90% of them would probably understand why. I also think they should split up the foraging update like how mojang did caves and cliffs, the community gets to see *some* progress being made, and the other half can come in at a later time to satisfy everyone
A lot of servers just dont switch to 1.20 they stick with 1.8 ive always admired hypixel for not doing that but yeah maybe they can make it so you just cant access that island unless its on it but yeah i understand anyway
I honestly wouldn’t care if they moved the game and created it in unreal, it’s nice that it’s in Minecraft but if they did it correctly I would still love skyblock
I think people forget that Minecraft was built by Mojang. Not the tech billionaire Microsoft - Mojang, Mojang the game development team consisting of one guy in his basement who knew how to code Java so that's what he used. Also the limitations there were back then aren't there anymore. Over time the game "spagettified" itself because now with much easier to use coding languages, Java itself is getting less used, mainly due to the archaic way it needs to be written, and probably a lack of respect for the DRY principle when minecraft was first created because nobody, and least of all notch, thought this game would be as popular as it is. RuneScape was also written in Java too, and no major newer games have been written in it since Minecraft.
I don't get why people hate on the admins/devs for taking a long time for an update. Sure we as players want to play new things but except for the top 20 players (SB lvl 430) there is a lot to do. Personally I would rather wait for the foraging update even if it comes in 2025 if it means that it will basically be perfect except for bugs and exploits. There has to be a balance between the content coming out being fast or good. If you want new content fast, it will be shit. If you want it to be good it will take a long time, such as Dungeons, but I mostly chalk that up to Simon announcing it way too early. You can't have both, if the team of devs are ~30, I argue that it's way more tho, it will take them some time to work on updates and new content. We can have the update out tmr but it will most definitely be shit with many parts missing but we also don't want to wait till 2026. I respect the devs who have previously worked and who currently work on SB and the time that they put in, and I'm glad that they made a game that is enjoyable to many.
Problem is if they hadnt announced it, ppl would complain that they arent reworking foraging 😅 im also not too much of a fan if they share too much beforehand. I think a lot of ppl dont have a feeling how long developing can take. As mentioned in the video there is a lot that they have to scrap or rework just cuz it doesnt work as expected
people will always hate on the devs doesnt matter if its a if its a game made by 1 person or 1000 the real last update we got was the pest update 6 month ago and all we the same about future content as we did then they just dont speak to us so we make noise to be noticed even if its hating on the devs they have their reason whether or not they are valid is a different matter. is hitting a block for hours really fun? sure up until lvl 200 you have plenty of content but when you at that point the game is just walk here hit this over and over again. that also doesnt even count the content that you might not enjoy in the first place (taming update *cough cough* holy sh&t that was bad). and its not like we are being given any reason to think they are making any progress the real last update we got was the pest update 6 month ago and we know the same about future content as we did then. they just dont speak to us so we make noise to be noticed even if its hating on the devs
@@bruhmoment9429 i rather have them take longer and not share too much tbh. Even tho id be interested in their progress i think theyd just get hated more. Also it's just not possible to have high quality updates regularly. But would ppl rly wait if u told them they had to wait 2 more years for the next update? I do think they need to change sth about their updates but i have they get to clean up their code with 1.20 (tho with so much pressure im not too sure how this is gonna turn out). Also if u have ideas how to make the game better u can share on the forums, dont just complain about how it's not fun. Share why it isn't and ur idea hiw to fit it...
@@1412SAX55 yes giving constructive criticism is much better than just ripping on the devs. But they actively avoid listening to the player base unless they are in skyblock nerds and 50% act entitled asf and the other half are tryhards who want the game to be as grindy as possible
@@bruhmoment9429 idk about that. Didnt they get new ppl from sb nerds tho? I remember there were applications and i think they also checked what u r writing in the forums so it makes sense to listen to those players more?
His comments are incredibly fair and reasonable for example the dates and the predictions he made but I was very concerned when he said “are there a lot of eu players” to me it shows a slight display of disconnect I understand he’s out of the company for a year however EU player base was prominent then aswell
What makes me sad is that there are just so many small issues that make Hypixel so unbearably bad. For example, people get false banned in such an extreme high amount that some people don't even see worth in playing the game. This is just horrible. I personally think a better thing to ask about was the appeal system, but I understand not asking coming from your perspective. I really hope this is an issue that gets tackled soon, because the auto denies are just too unprofessional.
good video! to me u seem to know alot about hypixel problems/news. Do u know anything about connections issues/ heavy lags ppl sometimes get? they just come and go randomly and the weird part is, that it actually fixes the issues by swaping to another account. when it happens, the account i was playing on is heavyly lagging/ puting me in limbo etc for 30 min+ while i can play on another without any problems even if i swap back. the exact same happens to a friend of mine. Its not a connection issue from my side as i can play on other servers. and since i can play on another account it cant be a global server issue. lobby swaping wont help aswell, its like as if the account is fked for a period of time. Any ideas?
I feel like fewer people should assume dev incompetence when it comes to updates for games like this. Both hypixel and minecraft are OLD, so a lot can be chalked down to "tech debt" as stated in the video, times change, and even if they didn't you still have to consider years of modifications and additions. I guess "dev incompetence" has become so rampant in newer releases that it's affecting older games as well now :(
how is hypixel not able to get a CM, with the amount of fire sales they’ve been doing. like i understand taxes and having to pay a percentage to tebex (the company that deals with hypixel purchases) but i feel like some of those funds could go into something like that. maybe im just clueless. i’m sure maintaining the server is a fortune. but still, just an idea
I agree w you on the community manager kinda thing. If it would be too expensive as a stand alone position would they not be able to implement it as one of the things skyblock nerds do? Or instead someone could literally j post mini progress reports
why people would just harass the community manager it would be like the equivalent of a kid on a road trip asking "are we there yet" every 5 minutes on 10 hour drive
@@pigtosheep6205 yeah lol that would deff happen, maybe instead it could just be like an npc or smth?? Like yk how Jerry links the latest sb updates it could work like that for in game and the forums too
Ive been considering applying for a programming job at hypixel since ive been making a skyblock clone in 1.20 for the past year or two and I think I could be helpful. I just want updates man...
I’m not gonna act like I know anything about how coding Minecraft works either but if I’m guessing correctly, a mod wouldn’t change any of the problems they are having. Building a mod from the ground up through Minecraft would be just as hard if not harder than going back through 10 year old code and rewriting it for 1.20 The baseline problem is Minecraft is really hard to code according to deuces.
Furthermore, making said code efficient for a player base the size of hypixel is what seems to be the problem and is why the crimson isles has tps issues a lot of the times
Considering Deuces' response to EU servers, do the admins think that 98% of their playerbase is all US? because it has to be like 40% US, 50% EU and 10% other imo
Seems like deuces didn't have insight on how many people from different countries play on hypixel, hence why he was questioning. I think transfer packets will be good enough of a reason to make EU servers, because that addition in 1.20.5 is pretty much revolutionary for servers.
@@deleted1492 server wise you are incorrect, 1.20 is much less stable in comparison to 1.8.9, the newer version they could do is 1.12.2 which is also quite stable, but as dueces said, hypixel skyblock could have their own engine, wouldnt be a bad idea. Just an expensive idea from their POV.
Heres some interesting news my friend just brought every bank book and about two hours ago they were worth 100 mil each Also he brought most the bonzo frags and it was funny seing the price go from 300 to 100mil
Not many eu? I feel like atleast 60% of players are eu xD. Idc about foraging and stuff like that there is judt one thing i need... My soulsrebound.... Its dungeonizable but it doesnt work in the dungeons :( xD
Also my main problem with hypixel skyblock as a former dev is why we didnt just boot to unity or sth... In the span from 4 years ago to now where updating was first thought about, why didnt anyone just go like, "yea lets just switch to a better engine" This could have solved all problems longterm AND minecraft itself is really easy to make... Like I could probably setup the whole base for world etc in around 6 months if not less, some dude did it in a f*cking week for the game itself, and they wouldnt even need world generation etc... I would just keep the textures similar and overhaul the stuff that needs work, blocks are fine just make em look nice... And they have a preset already with Hytale, they could use the textures etc. so poorly manages
@@Derailious ok with that logic answer this question: do u think that "update" is gonna be worse than the current foraging gameplay? I think someone that played this game will know the obvious answer.
@@Derailious I disagree. The big fact about plug ins is that they can pretty much make anything, including things in 1.20. And the fact that moving to 1.20 is the sole reason that it is delaying the update seems like a grief. Also I don't understand the logic of moving to 1.20 when the entire rest of the server is run on 1.8 (including other games in hypixel as well). Like why does foraging and ONLY foraging have to be in 1.20, I really don't understand.
I don't think you realise how utterly revolutionary 1.20 is for rpg and other games like this. The amount of shit servers can do on the client whilst maintaining performance is absolutely unheard off in 1.8
The server is actually on 1.7, but with the power of coding they somehow managed to make future version clients work with it, kind of like a translator. So while you are able to enter it in 1.20.4, the server isn't actually on that version, it just simulates what you are seeing. This should put into perspective the jump they are about to make. They are trying to move the skyblock server 13 versions ahead, 7 years worth of updates, which is a monumental task, especially with the current tech debt they have
Bruh they better not scrap it and make it all over again on unreal, pretty sure that would mean a reset and in addition i cant imagine hypixel making it f2p
Honestly, need the tech debt personally. I need time to catch up with ppl cause I got a like 3 year old profile and just got my first hype 2 days ago… now I gotta start getting more money 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 So uh my profile is actually almost 4 years old not 3
imo yea they should add some people that are more on the playerbase side. if you get banned falsely or not as a normal player you fucked, unless youre a youtuber or a celebrity
