The problem and difference is that Tatum has always been in a good situation compared to these other players. I took Lebron to leave to get a good situation and took Jourdan some time to get to the situation whose guy Tatum got drafted with Kyrie, Gordon, Hayward, and Brown you can almost ask why is he more like magic when he has almost Eastern conference every single year
Yea but the problem with when he got drafted , he wasn’t the star , the roster by 2021 was not good , the situation the Celtics were in we’re not where they were in 2017 … and by 2021 he finally became the guy , so to blame him for not winning when he was a 2nd 3rd guy early on is crazy , since he’s became the number 1 guy he’s made the finals and was a ankle twist away from potentially making it back to back finals , why we rushing him into winning every year
and that’s fair, but let’s stop telling blatant lies about him and also contradicting ourselves. “Tatum’s not top 10” but then “Celtics are a super team” is a blatant contradiction that is believed by so many causals. Most of his criticisms are easily proven false but our widely accepted as fact. If you want to say he’s not that guy, that’s still up in the air until he goes it.
It’s always those dudes who don’t actually touch a basketball who can’t seem to understand how talented Jayson Tatum is as a basketball player. Y’all understand there’s really only like five guys in the league definitively better than Jayson Tatum. That means there’s may be five guys on this earth better at basketball. He’s 25 years old. He’s gonna be fine
My biggest problem with Tatum is the fact that he doesn’t take the ball to the rim as much as he should. I been saying he needs to try to play a bit more like Bron than Kobe
Ingram is better than Tatum in terms of skill Tatum got a pull up and is a better passer he just don't shoot as many shots and has never had a good team
as fun as it is to make fun on tatum we also gotta realize tatum came in and was good so fast we expected a lot from him at such a young age. tatum isnt even in his nba prime yet. i thnk many people are very harsh on him when nro is still one of the best in the world at still a young age. for not even being 26 yet he has done a lot in the nba since getting here and most star players at age 26 didnt have a ring yet so bro still got time
most star players also dont get drafted with kyrie gordon hayward and jaylen brown and then immediately get gifted a top 3 roster in the league for five years straight
@@nomorepartiezznot adding context to ts is crazy. Bro it don’t matter what team u give most mfs if they aren’t at the prime of their career they won’t win with those teams unless they are a top 10 player of all time and I don’t see Tatum being that. Y’all are holding mfs to crazy ass expectations because they started off so well I. Their career
@@Will4all85 yea this year he should. But y’all weren’t saying this at the beginning of the season. The same ones who say we should win are the same ones who say Tatum is overrated, brown has no left and d white isn’t an all star. Y’all gotta make up ur mind
yea but sga didn't make it to the conference finals in his rookie year without kyrie and hayward. thats why tatum is getting so much of the attention that should not be on him. he's young and still developing thats what people need to understand. but because of what he's done in the past 4 years in is career
Double standards are real man. Even with Shai, people argued that he wasn't a top 5-10 player averaging 30ppg. Or that he couldn't be the best player on a championship team Oh wells. I'm a bucks fan and people just roast their next disliked player
Is it really hate to say that he's a phenomenal player but he's not good enough to be a leader on a championship team? Like it's not an insult that he's a prime paul george tier player and not a lebron/jokic/curry tier player, there's just levels to this and tatum has shown me personally that he's not that tier of player so unless he proves me wrong that's how I see him. He can still be a top 10 talent but he's not in that very exclusive club
Naw this new generation of NBA fans have a homoerotic obsession with Lightskin 6’8 hoopers that can handle and shoot. Y’all be living y’all fantasy through this man! He trash & you know it. Y’all want players like Tatum and Ingram to be the “HIM” SF’s so bad like LeBron and KD but also the poster boys for the league that get the chicks! Y’all weirdos!
He only gets hate because his fans push for him to be in superstar convos so hard when he really isn’t one. He’s on the fence at best, but the frustrating thing is he’s been on that fence since 2021
This is the same criticism every single player gets until they win a championship and then the critics disappear instantly. It’s just dudes trying to get their hot takes off while they still have a chance. I’m not even a Celtics fan, in fact, I’m a Lakers fan and I hate the Celtics. There is no way you can convince me the Tatum’s window is closed. The dude is only 25 years old and has already been to the conference finals four times and the finals. Let me know which one of your favorite players in the NBA right now has done that or has won a championship before the age of 25. It’s almost like people forgot the LeBron completely disappeared in the Dallas Mavericks series. We don’t talk about that anymore because he got over the hump(except for the dudes, who need something to constantly discredit LeBron for). You’re also delusional if you’re going to sit here and tell me, he can’t beat Giannis and Embiid in the east. He’s been doing that the whole time he was in the league
As a fan of Tatum and the Celtics it’s pretty clear that what he does will never be enough in people’s eyes. If he wins the finals they will say it’s the team and not him, they will say he needs to win an mvp to prove himself as “that guy”. From what I can tell he will get hate regardless and a lot of that will stem from the fact he is a Celtics player and because he doesn’t have a likable personality. By likable I mean how a lot of people say he doesn’t have that “dawg” in him.
All these discussions about Tatum is Number one or not, is he a superstar or not, are clueless. Celtics are build now to play team game not some superdiva performance with cordebalett aside. So some haters could spit out their shit or blame Tatum for something, but it means nothing at all. Tatum and the whole team is devoted to win the game and even if in some games Tatum, JB, JH or KP8 hasn't their scoring day, there's allways someone who compensate that issue. And thanks to smiling Buddha for another interesting post here.
Then you haven't been watching the NBA for long. You can run all the team ball plays all you want. But at the end of the day. Against the most elite of defenses. When that defense have the perfect personnel to defend you and the prep time and perfect scouting report on you. Deep in a series where the team have faced you enough times to know your habits. You will absolutely need that unstoppable superstar that the rest of the league simply have no answer for. A guy that can simply shoot over the top of defenses anytime he wants.
Solz stop acting like you're not part of the problem narratives. And the microwave quick hot takes media is part of your bag 😂 even in this video you're flip-flopping 🐬
As a bucks fan, celtics are the only team that i will admit i am petrified of, like, its not like we cant beat them, its that the celtics are so consistent especially with there threes, its like every game they score 20 threes on 40% shooting , but my bucks, well, we are borderline frauds, not because we have the talent but, we lazy especially on defense and we got 1st rounded last year so confidence kinda low. i feel that 2022 was the chance for us to beat boston and get to the finals but, well, we didnt have middleton. hopefully we can beat em next week thursday
Im really trying to make sense of the JT hate. Its almost like people lose their basketball intelligence when they talk about tatum. That mustard take was like 20% true and 80% cap. Every year lebron has to transform his roster halfway thru the season. Its bullshit to say he woulda won a ring on this team. Just like its bullshit to say if u add KD to this team they win a ring. I keep waiting for someone to tell me a player who lead his team to a championship at 21 or 22. That disqualifies kobe, wade and magic. Because all three of then had a vet MVP caliber player as the teams #1 option. I agree wit solz ppl' short attention spans are what creates this narrative.
So you're telling me that in 2022 or 2023, bron, kawhi in 2019 cause he ain't healthy no more, jokic, KD, AD, giannis, Luka, embiid, ain't winning a chip with that rooster? (I'm not bringing this year cause tingus pingus is f*cking insane).
Also the Jokic example was terrible because of how their rosters have been constructed a long with Injuries. Murray went down obviously, but they also didn’t have AG or MPJ. Tatum has had the pieces for god knows how long.
14:55 speaking facts people forget in 2020 they said jokic nuggets could never win because they felt Anthony Davis could match him or play better than him in every series
I would say Tatums career has kinda gone the same way Dirks career was starting out minus the MVP they both had early finals losses and dirk was getting hate for not winning but all it takes is winning the title one time and everything is forgiven
you can't argue that his inefficient 3pt shooting and shitty clutch stats this year are inspiring as a guy who projects to be the best player on the best team. he is a great player but needs to be top 5 for this team to win a championship; right now, there are probably 20-30 guys in the league who I would trust more than tatum to score in the clutch and 3 of them are on the celtics. it's totally legitimate to doubt him given his postseason failures and tendency towards horrible hero ball that grinds the celtics offense to a crawl and often hamstrings the celtics momentum in close games
@@intelligentman7195 Lechoke artist is to blame for losing against the Mavericks and Lecramp is to blame during the last finals against the Spurs. Remember when Jason Terry scored more points than LeBron? Yeah, people want to forget but I'll remind you.
The flaw in the comparisons is that those players alr established themselves as MVP’s or top tier MVP candidates the majority of those seasons. Their production and impact was so much more than what the stats or years say. I dont say give up on tatum but to say he isnt at that level is fine because in the playoffs he isnt as reliable as a championship number one is supposed to be
I can’t imagine hating on my best player when we been contending for like 3 years and he’s 25. I don’t even hate on Trae Young as a Hawks fan. You don’t know what you got, Celtics fan
The argument is so lazy: 1. Team wasn’t the jays really until kembas last year. Period. 2. I don’t know why you basketball people refuse to do the work. But go watch the warriors series with the following context. Giannis threw Tatum into a stqnchion and injured his shoulder and wrist. Tatum played through and seemed almost fine till in the Miami series you see him go down to the ground wincing and rubbing that shoulder. From that point forward Tatum is a diffferent player. If you watch those finals the easiest way to see this is Tatum does not use his step back or side step shot after game 1. He can’t snap the ball, the only shots he can take are slow methodical jumpers straight up and dribbling all the way to hoop for layups. That’s it. He doesn’t have fade capability and he doesn’t have his step bag. He can’t do anything quick from beyond 15 ft. He is not even close to the Tatum who dominated through the playoffs. And his style of play is clearly and visibly impaired in that finals. It takes two seconds of finals tape to see this.
Bruh said he not a tier 1 player. Yet he had big games at home and the road in crucial games in the playoffs. Literally the warriors experience won them the finals. Then the ime situation happened. you telling me that the celtics wouldnt have been in the finals again? the fuck. Dudes be disgusting. But yall got the hot take and the view. Cause this is literally not keeping it a buck.
Nah man that's just what it means to play for one of the most storied franchises in the NBA, Celtics and Lakers no matter the situation will always have their players HEAVILY criticized. Shit Tatum isn't even in his mid prime yet. He ain't a D-Rose or D-Wade type too so his body will probably last hella long.
Tatum is in a good spot. He's made multiple deep runs and a finals appearance. People were saying Curry wasn't that guy because Iggy won Finals MVP. NBA discourse doesn't make sense.
I remember seeing something where the Celtics playoff and regular season record is FAR better when tatum reaches a certain number of assists. I believe it was Jason timpf who was pounding the table, even against my warriors in the finals, saying that Tatum's true calling is a pont forward. However, Tatum wants to be Carmelo Anthony offensively. Which is where the problem comes in. Cause when Tatum looks to facilitate his team ends up being way better. Like you said, his three point attempts should go down. We've seen his percentages max out at around 7ish threes a game. However, he keeps shooting more of them and his percentages have gone down. Tatum needs to be shooting more around 6-7 threes a game, and the rest of the possessions looking to either get inside and finish or pass out to the perimeter. The numbers show Tatum isn't a particularly great midrange pull up shooter, and we saw that in the finals when Wiggins dared him into those shots cause tatum has the Kobe fantasy. Where you say lebron-lite, i honestly don't think you're too far off. My modification to that would be "more efficient grant hill." THAT'S where I think Tatum's game can go and where his skillset gets maximized. However, he appears to keep wanting to be Carmelo Anthony.
His fans and the media are to blame for that. They wanted to hype him up as the next Face of the league especially as an American player. I think anyone who was honest knew he wasn't that. He had a great playoff series against KD and they should have left it at that
If anybody in these comments shitting on Tatum claims to be a Celtics fan u just aren’t. It’s clear to see he is a superstar and can be the best player on championship team. Wait till he shuts y’all up istg.
Yeah it's weird how nba convos have such a negative skew. Tatums only problem is he settles for 3pt shots when he should drive and force the play. But hes an MVP caliber player on the best team in the league with multiple conference finals appearances a ECF mvp and a finals appearance at age 25
Durant wouldnt win on this team, doesnt have the defense, the playmaking, or the heart - Lebron would. Kawhi would. Very likely that Tatum is about to. Tatum, like many superstars, is an inflection point - the people who hate him really hate the people who love him, the people who extoll on his virtues are really trying to justify how they see themselves reflected in him against perceived doubt. The conflicts are in the comment sections, nowhere else. He's a brand, like Marvel or DC, and the arguments people are having are mostly about how they feel about themselves, and how they want to be seen by others - they just use superstars/celebrities/characters as proxies. It's impossible to reasonably look at his accomplishments, against his age, and not say 'this guy is a franchise player with a tremendous long-term outlook' - he's paid that way, he plays that way, his resume supports it. He does some things no one else in the league can do, like most franchise guys. He's so good, he has created expectations such that people treat him like he's 33, and never done anything - instead of 25, having never missed the playoffs, with multiple ECF appearances, and a Finals bid. Again, this has little to do with Tatum. It is because people hate the Celtics (which is really about hating Boston, and which is extremely justified bc we have one of the worst fanbases in the country even if you discount how unashamedly bigoted we are), people hate that the Celtics are one of the markets that gets catered to by national media (bc New England has no shortage of wealthy older White people to advertise to), and by and large, the sort of people who complain online are the sort of people that hate any fanhood they arent a part of. It happens at home, too: listening to Boston sports fans bitterly attack each other from inside Tatum and Brown camps, it's a reminder that the problem is sports media, and how we interact with social media, and how we are taught to build our sense of self - and very little to do with, like, Tatum's relatively mediocre clutch field goal percentage. But, hey, I clicked, and I commented, that's the point. All just out here trying to be heard.
Kd probably wins with the roster tatum has. Go actually check the rosters kd has had in the playoffs the last 3 seasons and compare them to tatums. Tatum has had better rosters. Kd on paper has Better teams but they haven't actually played when it matters. Dragic, Patty, and seth were playing in the playoffs against Boston because Harris ans Simmons were hurt. That's not even mentioning the chemistry issues.
@@Christopher._M I would also agree that Tatum's teams have been better - but I think Tatum is the superior defender, and rebounder, and those are the things that make Boston tick. And KD would have similar scoring primacy issues in Boston, as Tatum does - Tatum could score more than he does, but doing so wouldnt be the best thing for the team, bc everyone is so good at scoring. Durant at 25 was putting up 32/7.5/5.5, next to Westbrook and Ibaka. Tatum at 25 is putting up 27/9/5 next to Brown, Porzingis/White. Now, scoring was harder in the 10's, so I think what Durant was doing was even more impressive than it looks in comparison - but accordingly, being a good defender is much harder now, and being a good rebounder is much different. The volume of long rbs is so much higher, and controlling defensive rebounds is so much more important when the league shoots 3's as well as they do. Durant doesnt add much if his shot isnt falling, Tatum does a lot when he's cold. I think that's why it would be harder for Durant to get the C's over the line. But, then, this team is considerably better than any that Tatum has had before, and I'm not gonna sit here and say Durant couldnt - I just have doubts with him, where I have basically none about Lebron or Kawhi, just bc of how their games compliment what the C's do well.
Tatum hate is getting stupid. Lets stop acting like that finals team was destined to win the title. It wasnt till have way through the season that the Celtics were considered contenders and next year Rob Williams was destroyed by injuries and Brogdon got injured in the playoffs. Not to mention Marcus Smarts wild inconsistency and our lack of big men.
Bsolz need to take off these celtic googles off.The jokic and giannis examples are ass comparisions. Murray didnt become a number 2 till 2020 season, they lose to the lakers and then miss murray for 2 years. Middleton didnt become a number 2 till really 21 or 22 postseason. Kevin durant makes finals in 2012, they trade his number 3 after and him and russ rotate injury in 2014/2015. Meaning he had 2 post seasons with russ and they run into a 73-9 team in 2016. Tatum and Brown havent missed a plaoff season except in 2021. Do you know the miami height had like a 7 percent chance to win last years conference finals. Jordan didnt win till year 7/8. Guess what, once he got that all star help, never lost. Curry won once klay and green became all stars.Ngl using the age thing is crazy once you gave those guys help or a team 9/10 they won. Mustard spoke facts. Tatum is a choker. If they win it will be because of despite of him , not cause of him
All these players gave you reasons to believe in them. Having MVPs, DPOYs, and/or have label that they excel in the playoffs on terrible teams. Tatum has done none of the believe. I like Tatum but this is why he's not a tier 1 player. Luka is a tier 1 player because in the playoffs elevation consistently. All the guys you named were considered tier 1 players before their rings.
You are so wrong on this one. Tatum needs to play like kobe. Not lebron. This dude thinks kobe plays like steph, when in reality theres a superstar and proven champion down in LA who modeled his game after mike and kobe. Kawhi has proven that hes absolutely unstopable having 30+ ppg on 60 50 90 splits every playoff since 2017. He simply cant avoid injury to save his life. Lol
@@berlin4103 name his support because in 2021 season they were trash and 2022 beginning they were trash and yk who turned them around Jayson Tatum stop hating
It’s funny how mfers expect young stars to win right away. Last guy to get a ring as the #1 early in their career is Duncan in 1999 and magic/Larry in the early 80’s. It’s normal to not win a ring in your first 6 seasons
what’s the rush for him to win a chip. i do agree on his playstyle though, Even lebron had to change his playstyle during his miami period.Tatum may have to do the same.
My only true criticism of him is more post ups and mid range attempts, and attack the rim a little more to get easier shots. He settles way too much. That 30 becomes a 35-40 easy. The overall shot variety of him and Brown needs to change a little bit more. But outside of that his resume is still great. 4 ECFs, 1 Finals appearance which you lost to arguably a top 10 player ever at his peak in Steph, and he’s improved every year. 2 all NBA first teams, he’s just getting started. I just think he’s not there yet as far as his peak. Once his IQ matches his talent, that’s when he will become top 3. The argument is simply will his IQ match his talent?
The jokic comparison is crazy. To not include, he was getting way more criticism than tatum while playing without his second and third bealst players for 2 years. Then saying he was playing with a championship squad for 5+ years? Cmon dawg, the nuggets weren't ever considered real contenders until after the bubble and that was when the injuries happened. Soon as he got his people back he won.
yea jockic is instresting but the point was it took time and boston has been a good team but other than 21-22 and 22-23 and this year every other team had no chance of winning the nba finals
@@Mptappin12 the Celtics have been in the conference finals 3 out of the last 4 years. If you're going to use the "it takes time" argument then jokic is a bad example because people were not willing to give him time even tho his team was injury riddled for two seasons. I remember the conversations about him. People were acting like he wasn't just in the WCF when the nuggets were healthy. That was basically a championship or bust season for him last year. Tatum gets off easy with criticism for a guy that people try to randomly shoe in as top 5 at times and try to say he's better than KD.
I’m all for the draft system being two or none. You don’t lose eligibility for declaring anymore. Everybody can’t play overseas, for the ignite, or OTE. Everybody also shouldn’t be allowed to be in the nba before they’re 20. Don’t turn it into a workers rights issue when dudes get NIL money now. That will do more the game than alot of you know
People wonder why the players association would be in favor of that. We should be wondering why the PA is in favor of letting babies come take jobs from bench vets who won’t even make as much as the new rookies. One and done does nothing for fans of nba or college and negatively effects most players dev. Anyone agreeing with the system has been conditioned by players agents to believe that nonsense. That stuff grossly benefits agents more than the Owners even.
Notice the great players that go to great situations win early, notice that great players that go to bad situations lose but maybe only on one occasion can u blame them or say they play bad. So which category is Tatum in? The situation for Tatumn has never been bad so maybe its time to take a look at the player…….
Idk how yall can say he’s hating when he’s a Celtics fan just pointing out what he sees is the issues with his team and players im the same way with my hawks
I think Tatum can be that tier 1 player, he’s just having a down year. Like Solz said, he’s a good defender, and can be a great offensive player, just needs to stay consistent. He also needs to stop working with Drew Hanlen and score in the paint more 😂
Tatum is a superstar. Jaylen Brown has to work on his left hand and he and Tatum need to lighten up on the turnovers. Only weakness i see from Tatum is he settles too many 3's.
brown has been killing teams with his left hand the last two weeks. he even has a left hand celebration he clowns critics and people like you with. what are you watching
@@slightexag when he has a bad game.. Brown isn't better than Tatum but he's never talked about like Tatum. Brown was bad in playoffs last year. Nobody talks about it like they do Tatum
@@slightexag yes him and KP have great chemistry. It's just like Tatum is a great player but he fails in big moments. But so does his guy JB and it's not talked about like when Tatum fails though. JB makes like 250 mill now.
I must admit I don't watch a tonne of celtics games. I do watch them every year in the playoffs. Why does Tatum think he's Kobe? He takes the most unnecessary contested shots. I don't need him to win a chip by age 27 or nothing like that. I just need him to be smarter, especially with this stacked ass team he's on
yea he does need to take better shots but tbh whatching him try to be curry is way more frustrating at times. hes been attacking the post and basket which shocker at 6'8 230 hes good at
@@magotheguy173 I agree. That's why I asked, why does he think he is Kobe? Why is he taking those shots? I didnt say Kobe should have taken those shots.
please stop looking at FG% and talking about efficiency... efficiency from the field comes down to 2P% and 3P% (or EFG). you could have 40% FG and still be extremely efficient because you only shoot 3s. FG% is a casual stat, doesn't convey meaningful efficiency info
Notice how none of Tatum’s peers are ever held to those standards. You’ll never see anyone asks these questions about Luka, SGA, Booker, etc. but supposedly it’s Tatum that’s not top 10, etc
Tatum is Michael Porter Jr. With the green light... 1 half of the push off brothers him and brown offense is mainly push offs, grabbing jerseys and chicken winging people
But all these tier one players had accolades before winning the chip like MVPs or dpoi that’s what solidified them into that tier one player they also dominated whole series not just 3 or 4 games like JT
Tatum has dominated several series in his career. This comment section is filled with so many lies it’s honestly insane how far people go to lie about Tatum to justify stuff in their head.
@@Fent- in order to be a tier 1 player aka superstar you have to at least have a championship with either or finals mvp or regular season mvp. (Steph, Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Jokic, and Giannis)
@@Fent- even bsolz said it himself in the last playoffs Jason didn’t have a wholes series where he was dominant what saved it was the 51 pts performance. Cause if we apply the logic that you are using right now there’s an argument for melo, pg, devin booker, prime John wall, even Bradley Beal being a tier 1 player which just isn’t the case
i am sorry but can someone inform whether he has dementia or not one minute he says its only 3 years of tatum being number 1 option on a CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER and then compares him to jokic being number 1 option on a team filled with G LEAGUE PLAYERS and never was considered to be even a playoff threat If anything jokic was slandered from his mvp days for not getting his hospital team and g leaguers deeper in the playoffs tatum has had the best rosters around from the jump and always fell short but for some odd reason he only gets praise of a superstar while avoiding any and all accountability n1 in the league had more passes for their playoff failures than tatum followed closely by embiid
@@Fent- oh poor little tatum, only got to contend every year since joining the league, no other superstar had such privilege but its okey because he didn't have kd+warriors level of team Put any top 5 superstar in JT's position from the start and they have 2 rings but I guess can't be too surprised when you lot are willing to pay 300m for a glorified 3rd option you can also waste decade of assets for 19 yo to have fun with it
@@ggrlyggrly4476they content because of him. He’s had a different roster almost every year of his career and have had 3 coaches. He led them to the ECF as a rookie then the two years he didn’t make it back since, Kyrie tried to take the team back and failed, and the mighty super team 2020-2021 Celtics that y’all say was a contender all of the sudden didn’t have JB. But had Jabari Parker, Semi Ojeleye, etc in the pkauoff rotation 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Keep beating your 🥩 to hypothetical situations but none of his age peers have a better playoff resume. Stick to soccer little guy this hoop talk isn’t for you!
In the end people don’t really care about team or context. If Tatum wins two championships he’s one of the greatest players ever and a top 3 Celtic . If he doesn’t win a championship he’s wasted potential. Fair or not that’s how it goes in this culture regardless of if your team is stacked or not. People say the kd warriors rings don’t count yet those rings still made kd arguably a top 15 player and he would not be there without them
Even still, remember how people talked about Giannis not being able to win for like 4 years and he won in his 6th or 7th. Like this is why I fucking hate NBA commentary. Just shitting on mics man.
First 7and a half minutes, realization of a known thing, there is hope for Solz in his judgement. The rest of the 25 minutes of the video, back to denial and sorry hope, and reaching excuses that take away from his credibility again. "Give them time" 7 years in his career. At least the other superstars are superstars by their skill. Tatum has never been that guy. The media made him sound like that guy cays his image. Tall, strong, attractive to females, leader of his team, athletic, small bag. He has it all, but lacks the most important things. He doesn't have the IQ and he doesn't have that dog in him.
Okay I fucking hate Boston but this isn’t the time to be talking about JT’s lack of “Him.” 27 a game with a 23, 19, And 16 point guy on your team-which has NEVER happened before by the way, usually it’s one 16 or at best a 19 point guy but literally never both when you look at historic superteams. 27/8/4 on 48% from the field isn’t enough now?
It's wild that we live in a day and age where you can look at someone averaging 25/4/8 (i'm rounding down by a lot) on one of the better teams of the league and you can consider them not a Tier 1 Type of player. It's honestly baffling because I'm pretty sure if you told someone that a player averages 25/4/8 on the number 1-2 seed 15 years ago they would've been definitely considered the MVP or at the very least top 3 in voting for MVP.
People get really caught up on whether xyz player is "him" or not when there are so many talented players and a handful of decently well built teams that could realistically win a ring. Only one can win though. I think this type of talk can just be unproductive sometimes.
weird stat at 3:19. 2021-22: 3.0 3P, 8.6 3PA, 35.3%. 2023-24: 3.0 3P, 8.5 3PA, 34.7%??? same makes, less misses, lower percentage? obviously a rounding error but still really weird to see lol
The real issue is nba championship teams windows aint that long now Tatum is great but if he doesnt capatalize now when hes 29,30 the tesm just may not be it no more than itll be the opposite Tatum is amazing the team just not that good thats why people on his head because u put alot of players in his shoes they must capatalize there or they are seen as frauds
Tatum has gotten better and attacking and finishing at the basket, but his athleticism is lacking compared to good slashers in the league. I also feel like he doesn’t make it easier for himself in certain situations. This season i like how he goes to the post more snd uses his size to shoot over guys
Jokic has still never played with another all star and you comparing all of Tatums superteams to the Nuggets?… He’s consistently had other all stars and DPOY contenders on his team EVERY YEAR since he came in the league… FOH with that nonsense BSOLZ
Tatum just needs to be more physical driving to the rim, I think he’ll be fine, the next step is to respond to the criticism and play better. But on the other hand, Tatum has been handed the keys to the most consistent organization in the league, so if he keeps making the same mistakes and they don’t win anything throughout his career we’ll know why
It’s crazy how people like you call ur self a Celtics fan and don’t give Jt his flowers is really crazy 💯 to say that’s his not a tier 1A player is crazy 💯💯 he been to 4 ecf and one finals appearance in 6 season let alone his not even in his prime yet ..
