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An Interesting Shape in the Complex Plane (from i^i). 

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@Felixkeeg
@Felixkeeg 3 года назад
Man, the editing is god-tier 90's technology
@CrittingOut
@CrittingOut 3 года назад
lmfao
@mihailmilev9909
@mihailmilev9909 Год назад
@@CrittingOut lol indeed
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 3 года назад
Great Stuff Jon! =D
@kingofgoldnessr9364
@kingofgoldnessr9364 3 года назад
This channel is underrated
@korayacar1444
@korayacar1444 3 года назад
Its area is exp(pi/2)-exp(-pi/2), which turns out to be 2i*sin(-i*pi/2).
@applessuace
@applessuace 3 года назад
or 2sinh(pi/2), right?
@korayacar1444
@korayacar1444 3 года назад
@@applessuace indeed
@mihailmilev9909
@mihailmilev9909 Год назад
@@korayacar1444 wat
@kalkal8050
@kalkal8050 3 года назад
When Starlord is your maths professor.
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 3 года назад
LOL at 3:17. Glad you DIDN'T edit that out!
@20-sideddice13
@20-sideddice13 3 года назад
For any non zero complex z, if you apply 4 times the rise to power i, you fall back on the z you started with. Not difficult to see with polar coordinates : I mean z=r . e^(i theta). That means it is a bijection C* -> C* of order 4. Noice. In fact we could see this function as a group isomorphism of (C*, x) to itself. OH I just realised : it is a square root of the inversion. Well after all it's not that surprising since i*i=-1. Is this function holomorphic ? Hmmmm Oh shit there is a problem. This function depends on the theta you choose in z=r e^(i theta). In other words it has the same problems of definition as the complex logarithm. I guess we could save what i said before by saying we define this function on C - (R^-). And it would have its values in the set..... OH how nice is that !! The image set is the union of an opened disc and the complex plane without the closed disc. So pretty. It transformed the (half of) straight line in a circle. And it must probably be holomorphic wherever we define it. I don't know what there is left to say ^^'
@debussy_69
@debussy_69 3 года назад
noice
@satoutatsuhiro866
@satoutatsuhiro866 3 года назад
cool, totally understood nothing u just said
@20-sideddice13
@20-sideddice13 3 года назад
@@satoutatsuhiro866 this is mafs
@xxnotmuchxx
@xxnotmuchxx 3 года назад
I dont think it is homophobic.
@20-sideddice13
@20-sideddice13 3 года назад
@@xxnotmuchxx i wrote holomorphic, not homophobic. Unless this is a joke.
@oliviasoutlook2222
@oliviasoutlook2222 3 года назад
I wish I could understand this but I enjoy watching these videos just for hearing the beauty of mathematical language nonetheless. Thanks for making my day :)
@shoopinc
@shoopinc 2 года назад
Put in the work give it time and it will come.
@fountainovaphilosopher8112
@fountainovaphilosopher8112 3 года назад
Oh I was thinking we could generalize the formula to i^(i^n), where n varying on a real numberline would enclose a different shape. The finishing formula is (i^(npi/2))*e^(-pi/2 *sin(npi/2)), and idk what sort of a shape that would generate, but it's like a finer, "less sharp" version of this
@colepotter4588
@colepotter4588 3 года назад
It is like a smooth cardioid
@cptcaptain5179
@cptcaptain5179 3 года назад
Ancient greek astronomer: ... thats a Lobster!
@ConnorMooneyhan1
@ConnorMooneyhan1 3 года назад
It's an arrowhead for sure. A spear head has those two smaller pointy corners facing into it so it makes a kind of diamond that got lengthened on one side
@thedoublehelix5661
@thedoublehelix5661 3 года назад
The perimeter is 2sqrt(1+e^pi) + 2sqrt(1+e^(-pi)) = 2sqrt(y+2sqrt(y)) where y=e^pi +1/e^pi + 2 which is sort of interesting.
@_Nibi
@_Nibi 3 года назад
You said perimeter equals this function, which is equally to this more complex stuff. Why complicate things?
@thedoublehelix5661
@thedoublehelix5661 3 года назад
@@_Nibi it's not a function I was just commenting on a representation of the perimeter which is cool.
@_Nibi
@_Nibi 3 года назад
The Double Helix try to tone down the nerdyness a whittle bit.
@thedoublehelix5661
@thedoublehelix5661 3 года назад
@@_Nibi you- you do realize that this is the comments section of a math youtube video right?
@_Nibi
@_Nibi 3 года назад
The Double Helix doesn’t mean you need to be super nerdy 24/7.
@CCequalPi
@CCequalPi 3 года назад
"If something feels good you should do it again" ... *Me on crack agreeing
@joshuaisemperor
@joshuaisemperor 3 года назад
The quality of the videos over the time get's yet better and better.
@SassyAsi
@SassyAsi 3 года назад
It’s definitely the Star Trek emblem
@danielkirk4755
@danielkirk4755 3 года назад
Great video, I was inspired to look at what happens when you raise a general complex number to the power of i. Let z = r e^it be the polar form of z, z^i = r^i e^(-theta) To determine r^i, let's try solve r^i = c, this gives us i = log_r(c) = ln(c)/ln(r), where "log_r" is the logarithm base r, "ln" is the natural logarithm, and "log_r(c) = ln(c)/ln(r)" is the change of base formula. So ln(c) = i ln(r), so r^i = c = e^(i ln(r)) So putting it all together z^i = e^(-theta) e^(i * ln(r)) = e^-t (cos(ln r) + i sin(ln r)) So z^i results in a complex number with magnitude e^(-theta) and angle ln(r) In other words this operation swaps the role of the magnitude and angle (with some exp and log thrown in the mix)!
@dr_drw
@dr_drw 3 года назад
Man I just fricken love your videos man
@djsmeguk
@djsmeguk 3 года назад
Whenever I see iteration in the complex plane producing cardioid type shapes, my Mandelbrot senses start tingling.. is this perhaps a transformation?
@Eazoon
@Eazoon 3 года назад
Look at f(t)=i^{e^{iπt/2}} as t goes from 0 to 4. The cases shown in the video are just the integer values for t. The same computation at the beginning of the video will give the formula f(t)=e^{e^{iπt/2}iπ/2}. It'd be cool to plot this but I'm too lazy. Anyone wanna make one of those fancy Desmos pages you can link to as a reply?
@potaatobaked7013
@potaatobaked7013 3 года назад
Here is the shape it plots out with that formula: www.desmos.com/calculator/pa5irtldzy
@shoopinc
@shoopinc 2 года назад
"If something feels good, you should always do it again." - Epic Math Time
@nagoshi01
@nagoshi01 3 года назад
The area of the arrowhead is 2sinh(pi/2), quite interesting! The perimeter is less elegant, it is: 2*(sqrt(e^pi + 1) + sqrt(e^-pi + 1)) which is about 11.87.
@fullfungo
@fullfungo Год назад
The actual shape of i^i^n can be described as follows: let a(t) = e^(pi/2 • cos(pi/2 • x)) let b(t) = cos(pi/2 • sin(pi/2 • x)) let c(t) = sin(pi/2 • sin(pi/2 • x)) Then i^i^(t-1) = a(t)b(t) + i•a(t)c(t). In the video we draw the shape with t=2,3,4,5. To get a closed shape we can draw this from 2 to 6 instead (as a continuous interval of values for t). What we get resembles r=7/4•cos(t)+7/3 shifted to the right by 1. So it’s more apple shaped, rather then an arrow. Complete derivation: I will start with i^i^(t-1) instead. Let’s use i=e^(i•pi/2). i^i^(t-1) = (e^(i•pi/2))^i^(t-1) = e^(pi/2 • i^t) = e^(pi/2 • (e^(i•pi/2))^t) = e^(pi/2 • e^(i•t•pi/2)) = e^(pi/2 • (cos(t•pi/2)+i•sin(t•pi/2))) = e^(pi/2 • cos(t•pi/2)) • e^(i•pi/2 • sin(t•pi/2)) = a(t)•e^(i•pi/2 • sin(t•pi/2)) = a(t)•(cos(pi/2 • sin(t•pi/2))+i•sin(pi/2 • sin(t•pi/2))) = a(t)•(b(t)+i•c(t)) = a(t)b(t)+i•a(t)c(t)
@xyBubu
@xyBubu 3 года назад
the height is 0 because it's i +(-i) = 0 and the area is also 0 because it's bh/2, it looks like something going in a circular motion because of the coordinates of the points i, e^pi/2, -i, e^-pi/2
@zohairgharsalli9067
@zohairgharsalli9067 3 года назад
very good editing
@FrostDirt
@FrostDirt 3 года назад
That's neither a spearhead nor an arrowhead. That's a spaceship!!
@vitormatematikk9478
@vitormatematikk9478 3 года назад
Awesome 👍👍👍
@Creator-dx6jl
@Creator-dx6jl 3 года назад
It looks like all the interior angles would add to be that exterior angle( i->e^-pi/2->-i)
@Guytron95
@Guytron95 3 года назад
Would be fun to see if raising it by the increasing fractional values of i through each step would yield the same shape. I gotta run errands, maybe when I get home.
@tomkerruish2982
@tomkerruish2982 3 года назад
i^i^i is ambiguous, since exponentiation is nonassociative; do you mean i^(i^i) or (i^i)^i? In your video, you use the second interpretation. Since (a^b)^c = a^(b*c), this results in i^i^i^•••^i = i^(i^n), where the term on the left has n+1 i's. Expressed this way, it's clear why your expression repeats with period 4. I have found, however, that a^b^c = a^(b^c) occurs more commonly, especially when defining tetration. I don't think this will repeat, but I'm not sure.
@tatjanagobold2810
@tatjanagobold2810 3 года назад
Tool music + math =
@_Nibi
@_Nibi 3 года назад
Are you 80 yrs old?
@shoopinc
@shoopinc 2 года назад
The perimeter of the spearhead is approximately 11.87.
@insouciantFox
@insouciantFox 3 года назад
I think it might be part of a cardioid in the complex plane. The points line up for it.
@AdityaKumar-ij5ok
@AdityaKumar-ij5ok 3 года назад
nice editing skills
@NonTwinBrothers
@NonTwinBrothers 2 года назад
Damn the echo, tryna make himself sound powerful
@rodrigoappendino
@rodrigoappendino 3 года назад
Its area AND its angles are real numbers. The proof is left as an exercise to the reader.
@matron9936
@matron9936 3 года назад
Forgetting about the 2πni we have i=e^(iπ/2) i^i=e^(-π/2) then (i^i)^i=e^(-πi/2) and generally with n i‘s where n is natural we get e^(-i^(n-2) π/2) because since e is nonnegative (e^a)^b=e^(ab). And we get this shape because i^n is periodically i,-1,-i,1. The circumference is easily getable since you can calculate the distance between 2 complex numbers z_1=a_1+b_1i and z_2=a_2+b_2i where a_1,a_2,b_1 and b_2 are real. As sqrt((a_1-a_1)^2+(b_1,-b_2)^2) You can also get the area since putting stuff into polar cords gives you the angles pretty easily to.
@nicolastorres147
@nicolastorres147 3 года назад
It has area e^(pi/2)-e^(-pi/2)=1/2 sinh(pi/2)
@DavidPumpernickel
@DavidPumpernickel 3 года назад
Definitely thought arrowhead, first.
@KeniAlquist
@KeniAlquist 3 года назад
1:36 JESUS Christ the thing is real?!
@ChaiKirbs
@ChaiKirbs 3 года назад
just a suggestion: can you record your audio in mono next time? The audio switching from ear to ear gets a little bit distracting, and I think mono audio would be a better experience.
@EpicMathTime
@EpicMathTime 3 года назад
Sure thing, thank you!
@filipo4114
@filipo4114 3 года назад
This general shape in mathematica: ParametricPlot[{Re[I^(I^x)], Im[I^(I^x)]}, {x, 0., 4}]
@nablahnjr.6728
@nablahnjr.6728 3 года назад
would you look at that we get the identity for i with 4k tetrations, while i^4k = 1 amazing
@T3WI
@T3WI 3 года назад
He never did edit it out
@xxnotmuchxx
@xxnotmuchxx 3 года назад
It is a spaceship.
@funanyaokeke4746
@funanyaokeke4746 2 года назад
''Eye'' to the power ''eye'' is = to an ''eye'' for an ''eye'' when someone does you wrong >=)
@andy-kg5fb
@andy-kg5fb 3 года назад
I call it the imaginary spear of power. Or imaginary spear of exponents.
@AmeliusDex
@AmeliusDex 3 года назад
It's a sideways Starfleet logo if you ask me. Time travel confirmed?
@joryjones6808
@joryjones6808 3 года назад
2:01 Thus why I weigh 3141 ib.
@grothendieckriemann5893
@grothendieckriemann5893 3 года назад
men, I felt the video lasted 30 seconds... interesting video
@jonashallgren4446
@jonashallgren4446 3 года назад
You know they should add an equation thing to RU-vid comments if you want it or like customisable comments in general
@DavidPumpernickel
@DavidPumpernickel 3 года назад
aight, imma compute its holonomy angle, brb boys
@DavidPumpernickel
@DavidPumpernickel 3 года назад
actually is this even possible xD how tf does one compute the connection form on the complex plane ma bois n grills
@thephysicistcuber175
@thephysicistcuber175 3 года назад
C>>>>R.
@fritzheini9867
@fritzheini9867 3 года назад
a loopy loop
@sanador2826
@sanador2826 3 года назад
comment for algorithm
@DerLeeker
@DerLeeker 3 года назад
me an engineer: what the eff is an i?
@quantumbracket6995
@quantumbracket6995 3 года назад
jts the jmagjnary unjt
@DylanYoung
@DylanYoung 3 года назад
i is used all the time in engineering, electrical in particular.
@DerLeeker
@DerLeeker 3 года назад
@@DylanYoung in my discipline j is used as the imaginary unit - to not confuse it with other values (you could still confuse it with the current density)
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