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An Oral History of THE FOX AND THE HOUND (1981)

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In this video essay, I go into detail about the long and tense production of "The Fox and the Hound" (1981). I also compare it to the original 1967 novel by Daniel P. Mannix.
Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted.
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"The Fox and the Hound" (1981) is owned by The Walt Disney Company.
Music by Buddy Baker.
EDIT (06/27/2017) Phil Nibbelink informs me that I forgot to mention Dave Michener's brief, uncredited work on "The Fox and the Hound" as one of the initial co-directors: "Dave Michener was one of the storyboard artists on Fox and the Hound. Then he was promoted to director. I worked with him for a year before he broke into a fight with Art Stevens. And then he transferred over to WED to do storyboarding with the imagineers. That's when they promoted Rick Rich from assistant director to full director."
EDIT (07/11/2017) Mike Peraza informs me: "Enjoyed your Fox and Hound essay. You didn't mention my wife Patty who became the first female animator since the 1940s and the first female effects animator in the history of Disney. At the time of Fox she was the first female animator hired from the Disney program at CalArts and went directly into production on Fox."

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@dakahask 7 лет назад

Many thanks for the mention (and the compliment!). A very well-thought-out video indeed. Best of luck with it!

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

You're welcome, Mr. Haskett! I enjoyed watching your appearance with the other animators during the "Rats' Nest Reunion". It provided me with a lot of helpful information before creating this video.

@ChristopherSobieniak 7 лет назад

Glad to see you chime in here Dan!

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

I think you did well on the design of Tod as an adult!

@uryuu300 3 года назад

This is lovely and relaxing essay! I've always had a great appreciation for this film. It has many themes that resonate with me, namely having to grow up and leave old friends behind, dealing with loss, and finding forgiveness. It's a shame that it's not well-remembered. I think it's one of the finest Disney films. It's film score still hasn't gotten a full release, which is sad because I think the music is great. Buddy Baker did a nice job conveying the action, heart and emotion that helped bring this film together.

@megadrivesonic 7 лет назад

I'm happy a video like this was made about The Fox and the Hound. there exists very little information exists on this film and what went into making it so thank you for making this, you deserve more subscribers.

@matthewa.whiting719 5 лет назад

I'm grateful to see a reviewer who also likes this movie. I feel like this movie too often gets a bad reputation for being "boring"

@bellamovie2 5 лет назад

The Fox and the Hound is my favorite Disney film and I'm so glad the I've found this special video and was able to study more about the behind the scenes of this beautiful and bittersweet Disney that I've grew up with It's sad that it's under appreciated Disney film by the Disney Studio because of the troubled production of it and some who turn away from it but despite those those issues, I love the film for what it is😊❤️

@dazzawesome 6 лет назад

Thanks for showing the true story, its very touching and displays just how beautiful friendship really is.

@coca-colafox4723 3 года назад

I love this movie so much I remember when it first was on Netflix and I watched it when I was 8 years old

@pokekiller787x 2 года назад

I grew up with this movie I think I was like 5 years old when I first watched it. It's always captivated me and is one of my most cherished childhood memories. This video was an amazing look into the production of this film thank you for this.😁

@divergent_bowtie1066 5 лет назад

damn i almost cried three times just watching this video

@lukesmith720 2 года назад

I finished the book and it is quite sad. But a real page-turner. I can imagine how many people's childhoods are... you know... crushed.

@Grashcoy 6 лет назад

A very fascinating essay about "The Fox and The Hound" I must say, you put a lot of effort into making this and I am very thankful for it. This video answers a lot of questions I've been having for more than a decade with regards to this movie's production. I had been aware of some of the stuff mentioned in here, but I have never seen it all explained in depth. Having not read Mannix's novel I found this very informative and it makes me want to read it, I really liked the comparisons you pointed out. At the same time this makes me want to see a full review of the movie done by you as some of the opinions manifested in here do make me highly curious about how you would approach an analysis of the film. Your final note in the video called my attention to the various themes treated throughout the film, I'd have to add loneliness and change in the more general sense as themes that are also treated. I find it very humbling to see how whenever a character in this film is confronted with loneliness they try to reach out to someone, for instance after Tod is abandoned in the forest and meets Vixey he tries hard to impress her with a facade about him being an expert fisher fox, that sense of lying to try and reach out to someone underlines the desperation that the character is going through at that point. Another interesting example being the widow Tweed no longer feeling alone after finding and adopting Tod, yet later on we see that some time after releasing Tod into the wild Tweed reaches out to a man like Amos Slade at the very end of the film. As for the theme of change I think the entire subplot of Dinky and Boomer going after Squeaks pays off when the caterpillar turns into a butterfly, it makes it all fit into the coming of age theme as a part of change as the overall driving force in the development of the story. All those little details are just brilliant in my opinion. And speaking of brilliance after watching it again after so many years now as an adult I have noticed the masterful use of the backgrounds in this film as a way of conveying the context behind all of the characters. You've mentioned how a lot of the dark essence of the novel is captured in the movie at the very beginning and also in parts like the climax and it is true, the backgrounds also convey this darkness along with the music, they also convey the wilderness and the beauty of it. But another things that the backgrounds and artistry show are also the social and economic situations of the 2 human characters. I find it interesting how Tweed's farm is clean and well maintained and fenced, showing that the woman is doing pretty much okay, while Slade's side is showing us that the man is very poor and barely scraping by with his hunting, keeping Chief and Copper in old used barrels with simple rope for a leash, it also calls my attention that Amos brings in Copper seeing as Chief feels like a dog who doesn't appear to have much more time left to live. Tweed's house is also packed with information about her, she's a widow, but outside of her being a lonely woman we can also see that she still has decent furniture and a framed picture of a man with a mustache who may as well could have been her late husband, this I think creates a bit of scope that makes the world they are in feel so much bigger than just the confines of the film and it also makes you ask questions about how it all came to be, how could these people wind out in this situation, it all makes these characters feel like real tangible people, it's just amazing. Oh and there's also the early XXth century style cars, that grounds the movie as well into a specific time and also contributes to making it all bigger in scope. You said you think not killing Chief was okay considering the tone of the film at that moment and while in the sentiment it doesn't bother me either and I can watch the movie fine I would argue that from a screenplay structure sense the movie truly isn't complete without him being dead, unfortunately it wouldn't just simply explain Copper's motivation to go after Tod, it would also explain why a man like Amos would essentially break the law by trespassing into the game preserve and risk his life (going alone without another human being into a place like that is indeed a very reckless and irresponsible thing to do that can get you killed, the bear's attack proves this of course; when I was little we had a neighbor who died for doing this exact same thing and got killed by a mountain lion), going through all of this extent just to kill a particular fox. Chief living through his accident (and even Amos threatening him to break his other leg later on) disarms all of this and makes Amos look absolutely insane. I honestly don't understand Steven's decision, considering that they had already killed Tod's mother and they showed young Tod a shack with dead fur pelts and later on they show dozens of fur pelts and some hunting and shooting, if he wanted to avoid angry letters and "traumatized kids" why work on this movie at all? But I digress. Ultimately the film would have been a bit different and granted it would have been more powerful; you argued that in the end Copper still has Chief in his life and I agree, leaving Copper alone with just Amos would be a very bleak thing to watch, but also something that could also have been fixed in this hypothetical scenario by having Amos or perhaps even Tweed bring in a new puppy in order to make up for the loss which would be welcome for Copper's sake in the end of the film. Overall it's one of my top favorite films of all time and one that I consider both highly brilliant and very close to being a masterpiece,safe for the whole issue with Chief. I've seen people say that Vixey is a weak character but, I'd argue that such criticisms miss the point in the fact that not having her would leave Tod in a terrible situation and developing her further would move the film away from its central premise as well as consume time and resources that the creators probably wouldn't have been able to afford, it's one of those things that you have to keep as is in order to make the point clear and then move on to the next plot thread. The Fox and The Hound is a movie that is very hard for me to handle while I'm watching, even as an adult I weep almost the whole movie through, it hits WAY too close to home for me, but in the end its final message fills me with an underlying happiness between the tears that I've never felt for any movie before or since, it will always sit close to my heart. Sorry for the long comment, I just love having discussions of this nature, it is something I find highly stimulating and I congratulate you for your hard work put into this video, I'll try to share it with people willing to listen, it has been a very stimulating experience. Cheers from Chile.

@lukesmith720 8 месяцев назад

You should read it. It's a page-turner

@ZiddersRooFurry 7 лет назад

This was fantastic. Thank you.

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

You're welcome. Please share it with your friends.

@edwardantone810 2 года назад

No matter how far away I am from my Friends 👬🧑‍🤝‍🧑 there always in my heart ♥️ and memories.

@BlackCat-ru5yj 6 лет назад

The Fox and The Hound is the best animated, and possibly the best FILM of all time. It will forever live on, even though so many questions will be unanswered.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Whoa, that's some high praise! If only Walt Disney Studios had nearly as much enthusiasm for it.

@MCOlangotang 6 лет назад

It's arguably my favorite animated movie, but it is NO WHERE near best animation of all time.

@corny5920 7 лет назад

What a great video. This deserves more views.

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

Glad you enjoyed it. Please share it with your friends. I'd really appreciate it.

@zacharylansing 6 лет назад

Great work just great job putting all this together. Like you i grew up watching this in the mid 90's

@diegobareno5820 6 лет назад

12:33 The guy on the left is Henry Selick.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Yes, it's a photo of what Don Bluth once dubbed as the "Rat's Nest": Selick, Kroyer, Rees, Bird and Musker.

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

I did know that Ron W. Miller was president and CEO of Disney from 1978 until he was ousted out of office by Roy E. Disney, Stanley Gold, and Sid Bass in favor of Michael Eisner, Frank Wells, and Jeffrey Katzenberg in 1984 which would begin the Disney Renaissance in 1989 starting with The Little Mermaid.

@JeffMovieMan 6 лет назад

I love your videos, man! I don’t know how often you’ll do these, but I’d be thrilled to see one of these done on THE BLACK HOLE.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Thanks, Jeff. Admittedly, although I've definitely heard of The Black Hole, I've never actually sat down and watched it. Coincidentally, I was on a film set a couple weeks ago and got to meet Eric Allard, one of the special effects guys who worked on The Black Hole.

@JeffMovieMan 6 лет назад

That's awesome! I have a huge fondness for THE BLACK HOLE that I can't quite explain. While it's, by all means, not a fantastic movie, there's something about that really appeals to me. Perhaps it's the obscurity of it, but also I think it's an important film in terms of how it marked a major turning point for the Disney studios at the time: it was really the beginning of the age where they started trying to branch out to more mature audiences, with very mixed results. I'm such a big fan that I've practically saved everything I could find about it online; magazine articles, production photos, publicity material, you name it. I've also done my own review of the movie on my channel. While it's very problematic, I think it's a very overlooked movie of Disney's, and I'd kill for a Blu-Ray release.

@davang8069 4 года назад

This movie is the best!

@cjcarter5824 4 года назад

This is amazing! I would love to see you do this kind of exploration on other Disney films such as Robin Hood and Great Mouse Detective!

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

Thank you. There was a time when I considered doing a video like this for Great Mouse Detective, a film which I've always loved, but because I was never able to get ahold of that film's directors, John Musker and Ron Clements, I gave up. As for Robin Hood: I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure, but I'm not so sure that it's a major Disney work like the others. It has a reputation amongst Disney animators as being one of the studio's weaker efforts, made in the 70's when the studio was struggling to find its footing again in the wake of Walt's death. That being said, I watched it a lot as a child, and I still like watching it from time to time.

@paulmacareno 3 года назад

Happy 40th anniversary to The Fox and the Hound.

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

Hey Adamzanzie it's Kydra Fraznoir again I'll been thinking of what you posted to me, and what we replied each other on. I did a lot of research of the movie over some years. I never read the book but I did find out about it when looking up the movie on Google and I didn't like what I learned. The movie may not be a triumph for Disney and I understand that and I still get where you and that one spokesperson are getting at, and it was the most difficult developments in Disney's history you might have asked every animator who worked the film from Tim Burton, Don Bluth, Gary Goldman, Daniel Haskett, and Richard Rich or many of the other animators who worked on it, as well as from 4 remaining voice cast members that are still alive today like Sandy Duncan who voiced Vixey, Kurt Russell who voiced Adult Copper, Keith Coogan who voiced Young Tod, and Corey Feldman who voiced Young Copper. But the movie still worth looking back to, and what Disney had learn from those mistakes during the movie's rough development. But still like I said from my reply a live action remake is still just an idea and a thought and I know it's impossible and I understand, and I just thought that this live action remake idea might be an improvement from both the animated 1981 original and the 2006 midquel and do them both justice but still just an idea and a thought.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

I've talked to Rick Rich, Ron Miller, Gary Goldman, screenwriter Steve Hulett and several of the film's animators. Rick Rich made it clear to me that directing The Fox and the Hound was a bad experience for him, and he didn't want to discuss it in detail, though he startled me by revealing that he was hired to direct only after Don Bluth dropped out. Rick is ultimately proud of the movie, but he told me that at the time, he felt that the movie was too long. I also had two great conversations on the phone with Ron Miller. When I reached out to Gary Goldman, he and Don Bluth declined to do an interview with me, though they confirmed that their exit during production was unwelcomed (Ron Miller is still angry about it, too). Brad Bird and John Lasseter's representatives declined my requests because they were too busy. Tim Burton's representative never even bothered to answer my emails. I spoke with Corey Feldman's manager, but after my plans to shoot a feature-length documentary fell through, I decided it wouldn't be worth it to interview him. This video essay was really born out of my inability to make a feature doc, and my remaining eagerness to tell the story of the film's production.

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

At least you still made a great mini documentary from this and it took the cake!

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

At least you still made a great mini documentary/video essay and took the cake with it! A least you got to talk to a few of the animators who worked on the film including Ron Miller, and even Daniel P. Mannix's daughter Julie. Did you ask her what did she think of the movie? And I feel for Rick Rich, having to direct the movie at that time was not easy but I'm glad that he was proud of the movie.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Ron Miller wasn't an animator; he was the executive producer, and he was president of the studio at the time. His actual father-in-law was Walt Disney himself. Julie Mannix and I didn't get very far in our conversations. I don't know what she or her father thought of the film.

@flamehazesflamegang3788 4 года назад

I know this late but I also wish it’s soundtrack was released in good quality

@josephzielinski8817 2 года назад

Fox and the Hound (novel, 1967), Daniel P. Mannix.

@moysesp.6372 Год назад

Great video!

@scottriddell3514 2 года назад

It was in my childhood as well I remember having some like you I wonder if the fox and the hound is connected to Bambi

@adamzanzie 2 года назад

The two films aren't "connected", but like I said in the video, Steve Hulett and Ron Clements unsuccessfully tried to persuade Art Stevens that since Walt Disney had no problem in the 1940's killing off Bambi's mother, it wouldn't be against the nature of the studio in the 1980's to kill off Chief, too.

@bellamovie2 2 месяца назад

@@adamzanzieIn my opinion, having Chief die after getting hit by the train in a Disney film would've definitely traumatized everyone including the children I agree that the movie is already dark and sad enough that killing off Chief like THAT would be too much for this movie

@Caveirazul 3 года назад

Amazing video, thanks!

@masteroftheassassins 6 лет назад

You got an amazing voice. And I really enjoyed this video

@Sandlot1992 2 года назад

I'm surprised I've never read the novel before in years, so I think this movie is much better than the book itself! Unlike when Lisa Simpson thinks Homer's ending to the final Angelica Button (a parody and female version of Harry Potter) book in that Simpsons episode "the Haw-Hawed Couple".

@adamzanzie 2 года назад

To me, the movie isn't necessarily "better" than Mannix's novel, just very different in what's doing. The book has serious and devastating things which it's trying to communicate to the reader. It's not the same story.

@atuka9759 3 года назад

Thank you!

@mikekomarinski 4 года назад

Nice Documentary about my favorite Disney movie my friend. Did U also know that there was a song cut out in the film called Scooby Scooby Scooby Doo, Let Your Body Turn to Goo which was going 2 B song by 2 herons voiced by Phil Harris & Charo respectively. It was going 2 take place after Tod was dropped off in the game preserve. Charo did record her lines 4 the song & was storyboarded but it was never finished 4 the rest of the movie.

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

Yes, Steve Hulett writes about that in his article. It was a big sequence which Woolie Reitherman had planned out, before Art Stevens and Ron Miller asked Reitherman to surrender his position as director. Had I created a more expansive video essay, I would've brought this up -- but this was one of the first video essays I ever created, and at the time, I was concerned about keeping the running time around 15 minutes in length, so I elected to leave that topic for others to cover in other discussions about the making of the film.

@refaeladir 3 года назад

You did a great job on the explanation and brief interpretation of the film. It's one of the most beautiful animated films I've seen in my life .. and unfortunately not appreciated enough. This movie is a huge heart. The animation and all the artistic appearance are a clean and authentic reflection of the beauty of nature, in an age of innocence, brotherhood and simplicity. I would love to know if you know where the film takes place exactly - meaning where did the story come from? Could be Pennsylvania or in rural areas of New England .. i am heavily influenced by the background paintings in the film (:

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

Not sure about the setting. It could be any rural area in North America.

@loganmosher5935 3 года назад

Tennessee The Early 1930's

@coreyfisler8663 5 месяцев назад

It's a different between film and the book.

@davang8069 4 года назад

How did you get copyright to show those sequences? I want to do something similar, but I can't because of the copyright held by Disney!

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

Because it's Fair Use. I recommend watching YourMovieSucks' video "RU-vid's Content ID System Sucks" for a tutorial on how to dispute RU-vid's Content ID claims.

@JKMTA95 4 года назад

What an amazing video! I'm definitely gonna read the book. Maybe it'll remind me of a Danish novel called Kaskelotternes Sang by Bent Haller (maybe there's an English translation). You'll perhaps like that novel if you liked the fox and the hound novel. I can recommend it 😊

@davang8069 4 года назад

You did that, and I do what you did, but in my language and differently, so I should be able to do it!

@matthewbennett9928 2 года назад

I love this because this is the most f***** up origin story for a Disney movie I've ever heard of. I mean yeah most stories that Disney films are based on are usually more violent than the films that they become but damn this is like extra. Very well done video I think it's nice to know that Disney stories don't start out as Disney stories for full of violence, blood and sometimes sex. I'm glad they didn't literally make this book into a movie oh God the animated it's almost depressing as it was I couldn't imagine if they made something like this that would be el horrifico. Yes I'm glad they didn't do that. And besides I can't imagine what audience would want to see this as a movie my God. You're talking about the same group of people that went ape when Harambe the ape was killed God only knows how they would respond to this.

@sabertooth3studioshq838 7 лет назад

Imagine if disney made a live action version of the Fox and the Hound

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

It's very unlikely that they ever would remake it. Although The Fox and the Hound is fondly remembered by those of us who grew up watching it in the 80's and 90's, it has not amassed the phenomenal fanbase of films like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin or The Lion King. That's why Disney has never done much to celebrate the original film (though they did produce a cheap and moronic direct-to-video sequel), and that's why a spokesman for the studio admitted to me that Fox and the Hound was "not considered a triumph" at Disney. If a filmmaker wanted to make a movie that was closer to the dark tone of the Daniel Mannix novel, that would be one thing. But remaking the 1981 Disney film, with the exact same plot and dialogue and whatnot, just seems like a pointless venture in my eyes -- pointless for fans of the original movie, and pointless for Disney, who would hardly gain much financially from it.

@sabertooth3studioshq838 6 лет назад

I see where your going with this .

@Kittsuera 6 лет назад

If not a remake, a modernization of it in some of the concepts with alternate scenarios... --- Thinking about a live action version of a story about a fox and a hound reminded me of an existing movie "THE BELSTONE FOX" made in 1973. its well worth the watch IMO.

@sabertooth3studioshq838 5 лет назад

@CrystalHunter1989 true

@sabertooth3studioshq838 4 года назад

@CrystalHunter1989 true very much and if they did it would be worse than that sequel they made of it with carnival

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

I would love it if Disney ever considers making a live action remake of this 1981 Disney classic with more story, new original songs, and new and original characters, as well as CGI animation like they did with the live action remakes of The Jungle Book, Pete's Dragon, and The Beauty and the Beast, and what they are going to do with the live action remakes of The Lion King, and Dumbo, and I also would love it if Tim Burton would work it like he did with the original. And it would be dedicated to Mickey Rooney who voiced adult Tod, Pearl Bailey who voiced Big Mama, Jack Albertson who voiced Amos Slade, Jeanette Nolan who voiced the kindly Widow Tweed, Pat Buttram who voiced Chief, Jack Fiedler who voiced the Porcupine, John McIntire who voiced the Badger, Richard Bakalyan who voiced Dinky, and last but not least Paul Winchell who voiced Boomer.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

As I mentioned in one of the comments below, it's very unlikely that Disney ever would remake it because the film has not amassed the phenomenal fanbase of those other films. That's why a spokesman for the studio admitted to me that Fox and the Hound was "not considered a triumph" at Disney. If a filmmaker wanted to make a movie that was closer to the dark tone of the Daniel Mannix novel, that would be one thing. But remaking the 1981 Disney film would be pointless for Disney, who would hardly gain much financially from it. I also highly doubt Tim Burton would want to be involved in any remake. He has stated in interviews that he did not enjoy working on the original film because he hated "drawing cute foxes". It just wasn't his kind of movie.

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

I understand thanks for telling me! It's still just an idea. And I know that it was one of the most difficult developments in Disney and animation history, that Don Bluth and Gary Goldman who worked a bit on the film quit taking others with them which led to the making of their own company and the development of The Secret of Nimh, and according to the Disney Wiki Tim Burton was an animator on Vixey who became Tod's mate didn't like the design on her because he felt the assignment was too dull for him, and it was a modified design of Maid Marian which was altered so she resembles a normal. And it does have a lot of dark moments like the tragic death of Tod's Mother, and Tod and Copper ending up growing apart, and their misunderstanding and how they're force to become enemies, and also the bear, and the harsh realty of life and mother nature I know where you and that one spokesperson are getting at when it comes to this. But at least it had it lighthearted moments and a bittersweet ending which made it different from Daniel Mannix's original novel and I don't know how Daniel Mannix himself reacted to the movie since it went and ended differently from his novel. And at lease the movie had critical reception and did well at the box office, and had rereleases over the years, and it does have it's fans. It would also love a Fox and the Hound 3 but that would be difficult since The Fox and the Hound 2 was panned, that and I never bothered with it until 2017 and I ended up liking it. And still the movie is an important part of Disney's history.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Daniel Mannix is survived by his daughter, Julie Mannix von Zerneck, who once told me that she knows what her father thought of the film. She also told me that she knew the real Tod, whom her father kept as a pet. She wouldn't say anything more beyond that, however. When I asked her if she wanted to talk on the phone to discuss further, she declined. I suspect that Daniel Mannix was not a fan of the film. It's not just the ending of the book that's different, but also: The book has scenes in which all of Tod's offspring get slaughtered by Copper and his Master. The other foxes become insane and start attacking innocent children in the neighborhoods. Also, the book is fairly graphic in its depiction of fox mating rituals.

@kydrafraznoir1964 6 лет назад

Good thing the fox kits were left out of the movie that would be too much for children and that would also angered parents, and unlike those 2 vixens Vixey lived and good thing too. I'm sure Julie didn't like to tell much of the detail.

@miguelsonofzeus 6 лет назад

I can't find a copy of Fox and the Hound anywhere.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

It's not hard to find. You can even rent it right here on RU-vid.

@magisterdamask9015 2 года назад

Thanks for this. I grew up watching it on VHS in the '90s like you, and that scene with the bear used to scare the crap out of me! I saw it again for the first time as an adult not long ago, and I appreciate it more now - it's definitely one of the better ones to come out of Disney's malaise in the '70s and '80s, although my favourite animations were always the darker ones like The Land Before Time. Have you seen Cardinal West's video on the Fox & the Hound (here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-le8xAUsa6yw.html)? I think you'd enjoy it.

@adamzanzie 2 года назад

You're welcome. I watched that video awhile ago. He made some points that I hadn't thought about... but he isn't really a fan of the film.

@magisterdamask9015 2 года назад

@@adamzanzie Yeah he didn't seem to like it as much as you did. Your appreciation really shines through.

@mrsmith1097 7 лет назад

Only 428 views??

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

The views are slowly climbing up day by day... but of course, we could always use as much promotion as possible. I'd appreciate it if you shared the video with your friends. Ron Miller (who was executive producer on The Fox and the Hound) has put me in touch with someone high up at Disney; this person has told me that he will consult with the Disney marketing department about plans for future re-releases of Fox and the Hound. Who knows if Disney will ever come around to shooting their own Making-Of documentary about the film, but that was my whole plan for this video: to convince them that the film is worthy of more attention. Thanks for commenting.

@ChristopherSobieniak 7 лет назад

You got a nod on a FB group I'm in. Hopefully you'll get more! I see it tripled its viewership right now.

@adamzanzie 7 лет назад

Thanks! Yes, the viewership in that FB group helped a lot.

@EmilForsberg_GRYBO 4 года назад

I haven't read the book but i heard that they switched the names of the dogs for some reason

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

No, that's not true. Where did you hear that?

@EmilForsberg_GRYBO 4 года назад

@@adamzanzie jon solos video on, the very messed up origins of the fox and the hound. He said the names where switched and that it was actually the young dog that died... at least i think he said that... i should probbably rewatch the video. You should too it's pretty good other than that

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO No, Jon Solo's video is atrociously confusing. I watched Jon's video when it was first released, and I do not understand why he believed he was somehow avoiding confusion by switching up Copper and Chief's names in his video. All he did was create *more* confusion by doing that, which is hilariously ironic. Yes, it's true that in Daniel Mannix's book, Chief is younger than Copper -- but Chief is still the one who gets hit by the train, early on in the story. Copper is still the one hunting after Tod in the final scenes. I had quite an unpleasant exchange with Jon Solo when I tried to ask him about issues I had with his presentation. First, I sent him an email, which he never replied to. Then, I left a comment on his video. Again, he didn't reply. Finally, I made Julie Mannix aware of the issues in Jon's video, and Julie confirmed with a friend of hers that Jon's description of her father's book is inaccurate. And when I wrote to Jon on Twitter to let him know that Julie and her friend did not agree with the way he described her father's book... you know what Jon did? He condescended to me. He declared that his email address was for business inquiries only... whatever that means. Then, when his followers defended him, Jon made fun of my "listening skills", failing to realizing that it's actually his own video which has a serious communication problem. By the way: Jon knows nothing about the making of the movie, either, which you can tell by the way the comments on his video educate him about stuff like Don Bluth's resignation and whatnot and then Jon is all cheerfully like, "Wow! I didn't know that!" Bottom line: Jon Solo's video is AWFUL, and completely undeserving of its inexplicable hundreds of thousands of views. Unlike him, some of the rest of us have actually done some *real* research on this subject.

@EmilForsberg_GRYBO 4 года назад

@@adamzanzie i... wow. I did not think he was like that. I actually watched his latest video today where he answerd questions by fans and non fans. I actually thought he sounded a bit defencefull but i had no idea it was like that... hmm... well it sounds unfortunate. Thank you for informing me at least

@adamzanzie 4 года назад

@@EmilForsberg_GRYBO Yeah, he is rude and defensive in the worst way. Sometimes you don't truly know a RU-vid personality until you try to engage in a discussion with them. The way I see it, he could have responded to me in a much more civil manner. Instead, he reacted like a bully.

@tyrannotherium7873 5 лет назад

I hope someone could do a remake of fox and the hound but this time now from Disney but by someone else follow the book adaptation

@adamzanzie 5 лет назад

The book is unfilmable. It's an extremely nihilistic story. Daniel Mannix was trying to communicate a warning to his readers about how nature is being destroyed by human industry, and he did this by writing a book where every character dies horrible deaths. As literature, it was compelling. But the movie business is different. Movies are made in the hopes that they will turn a commercial profit and that mass audiences will flock to see them. Mannix's novel would make for an insanely depressing film, and the reality is that depressing films just don't sell at the box office.

@tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад

True but what about the joker the joker was a depressing movie and it wont some box office films and I’m talking about the 2019 joker

@tobbs5410 2 года назад

7:09 Oh shit that's not THE song is it - 7:45 OH FUCK 8:00 STOP

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

To be fair, I think that you should have added "Sad, and traumatizing" after "Bleak, dark, savagely violent" at the beginning

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

I don't think the book is traumatizing. Sad, yes. As is the film in some ways. But the book was strictly for adults, and I contend that any adult with a strong stomach could handle it.

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

@@adamzanzie I’m sure it would be traumatizing for children if they read it

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

@@lukesmith720 It's not a book for children. Daniel Mannix wrote more in the vein of such writers as Jack London and John Steinbeck, in that he was addressing complex themes about environmentalism and mankind's ugliness. Only readers above the age of puberty would be able to handle his themes and comprehend his prose. Anyway, if you watch the rest of the video, I go on to describe the book as visceral and heartbreaking. I recommend the book to anyone who is either an adult or a mature teenager, and who is a fan of the film.

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

@@adamzanzie i know it's not for kids. It is a far cry from that. And I am halfway done with the novel

@Crayolapup 6 лет назад

I wanted to get the book, but its 200

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Physical copies of the book are expensive, but you can get an eBook for real cheap.

@amybowersox9636 6 лет назад

Pete Young?

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Steve Hulett told me a little about his time working with Pete Young. I regret that I didn't learn enough about Young's contributions to The Fox and the Hound to mention him in this video. I don't know much about him, but he probably deserves a whole video tribute devoted to him.

@adamzanzie 6 лет назад

Amy Bowersox My apologies... are you Pete Young’s daughter? I’m so sorry... I didn’t realize it at first. I remember seeing your name mentioned in the comments of a blog tribute to Young which I read somewhere. I was developing a feature-length documentary about The Fox and the Hound a couple years ago, but Disney wasn’t interested, and they would’ve charged me thousands of dollars if I’d made a documentary independently. Had I made a feature doc I would’ve made sure to devote sections of it to Young’s work on the film. Do you know what he contributed to it? I’d be happy to include information about his work on The Fox and the Hound in the description of this video.

@amybowersox9636 2 года назад

@@adamzanzie Yes, that's me. Sorry. I didn't see that you replied. I didn't hear much about his time on this movie besides the politics with the older animators still being really stressful.

@adamzanzie Год назад

@@amybowersox9636 Hello again, Amy. It was clear from my conversations with Steve Hulett that your father played an important role in the development of this film.

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

This is more like a nature documentary in book form. I would call this a fucked up origin alright. Of course there are other ones that Disney turned to kid friendly. Take Pinocchio, Bambi, and the Little Mermaid for example, and their original stories are fucked up too. Not saying it's a bad thing

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

"Fucked up" is not the term that I myself would use. I would simply describe it as unusual source material. Daniel Mannix wrote a powerful book, with an important ecological message.

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

@@adamzanzie oh sorry. Traumatizing a better saying? I see this clearly depicts as an "anti-hunting" novel and a book against "land development". It probably represented how the people were questioning the status quo and cultural norms. But you heard about the original story if Pinocchio? Would you call the original Pinocchio messed up?

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

@@lukesmith720 I haven't yet read the original Pinocchio story by Collodi.

@lukesmith720 3 года назад

@@adamzanzie Oh. I see. But still, good video either way. If only Mannix's other books were recognized too

@adamzanzie 3 года назад

@@lukesmith720 One of Mannix's books provided the inspiration for the first draft of David Franzoni's spec script for "Gladiator".