An ultra-thin watch from... the USSR?!

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Today we're working on a very, very interesting and unique watch; a Raketa 2209 from the late 1960s/early 1970s. The Soviet Union made various ultra-thin movements back in the 1960s, even one as thin as 1.85mm!
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@ВикторСмирнов-у3д Год назад

Hello, this movement is most complicated across 2209 from the design point from soviet time. There were three different 2209 movements designed at almost the same time by three different watch factories/ Fnd most russian watchmakers hate this movement because it's difficult tho put all multiple weels together when assembling. BUT, you are doing it easily - Great !

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks! 😁

@bullnose01 Год назад

A watch movement that bends on the wrist sounds like something MB&F would do . . . deliberately. The eccentric to adjust the depth of the yoke seems like a really good idea. It's always a pleasure to find a new video from you to enjoy while sipping coffee on a quiet Saturday morning. You and the family be safe and well until the next time.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks as always, Bullnose 😊👍

@carloscarvalhido2424 Год назад

Hi. There is one more 2209 soviet movement - it is from Vostok / Wostok / Boctok with 18 jewels. I know that they are not much of a thing but, nevertheless, I have a soft spot for soviet watches. So, thanks for showing this one.

@neilpiper9889 Год назад

The Rackets 2609 ha is a brilliant movement used in lots of watches.

@GEO_Brest Год назад

Вы замечательный мастер, спасибо вам за видео. Никогда не видел таких часов.

@waverley610 Год назад

Thank you Stian. I first discovered you by way of you servicing a Soviet watch and have been hooked ever since. So glad that you have finally taken the time to restore another one as these watches tell the time but tell of time too.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

My pleasure! 😊

@alfredklek Год назад

I bought one of those Poljot ultra thin watches from Ukraine late at night in a moment of weakness from the ebays. Pretty sure it's been recased but the insides are pure USSR jank. It looks pretty awesome and runs well enough to get me though any occasion where my Seiko isn't quite dressy enough. Most definitely not a daily driver though.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@alfredklek Год назад

@@VintageWatchServices Thanks for the great videos! I watch them all, sometimes a few times over.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Yeah, those Poljot ultra thins have a nasty habit of being regularly bodged-over by unscrupulous Eastern European online merchants. You have to really know your stuff so you don't get a Franken, as I believe you have.

@MrLukealbanese Год назад

Excellent work Comrade ❤❤

@brucebarlow6604 Год назад

Stian apart from a couple of ‘Arse Buzzer’ moments I can’t believe that there is no reports of trouble in paradise. The Norwegian Oak does it again. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

😁👍

@johnsrabe Год назад

12:03 Obviously, you are fixing a watch while wearing black shoes and a brown belt.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Obviously! 😂

@MichaelB-qx1eh Год назад

I really appreciate the explanation of the Soviet movement numbering. I had wondered about this for a long time.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Yeah, its just a GOST code. First two digits is the diameter of the movement, second two describes the type of movement it is.

@johnhannon Год назад

Thanks for this video of a very interesting watch. Could a pin vise also be used to tighten the seconds hand? I looked up the Bergeon 3010. It looks like a very nice tool but $700!

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Hello John, yes, you can try that but it might be difficult. If you have a lathe, you could put the hand tube in a collet and tighten it also. You could probably find a Chinese version of this tool?

@9_kin Год назад

From Russia with love! Great job! 👍

@Volodia2141 Год назад

О качестве советских часов говорит хотя бы то, что они известны по всему миру 👍

@CeesMaas Год назад

Yes, indeed a very cool layout that movement. Thanks, Stian!

@domino051970 Год назад

0:22 Raketa 2209 is the slimmest 3 hands Soviet made movement, Poljot 2209 is the slimmest one, but it's 2 hands

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Oh, the Poljot 2200 shown in the video was much slimmer than the 2209, at only 1.85mm

@domino051970 Год назад

@VintageWatchServices I mean R2209 is the slimmest mvmt among Soviet 3 hands ones. P2200 is much slimmer, that's true, but it's a NO second hand mvmt.

@JochenVogel Год назад

The one Raketa movement missing in my collection. Hard to find these days. And to make things more complicated, there was a Vostok 2209, too.That one I have (and a 2214) and I like it a lot. Less extravagant than this one but very elegant, too.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Yeah, its like every single Soviet watchmaker deliberately made their 2209-coded movements technically audatious. Vostok 2209 is positively tiny (and was the foundation for the better-known 2409). Poljot/Luch/Vympel 2209 is likely the thinnest USSR movement made in large numbers. The Raketa 2209 seen here was the actual thinnest three-handed Soviet movement ever made at just 2.7 mm. Zaria also made a 2209, a rather interesting lozenge-type construction with raised bridges.

@ВикторСмирнов-у3д Год назад

Hello, this movement is most complicated across 2209 from the design point from soviet time. There were three different 2209 movements designed at almost the same time by three different watch factories. You have two of them. If you can read russian you cn get detailed story about that from that time in the internet. As for the Raketa 2209, the initial name for the movement is Record, because it was thinnest across 2209 movements). You still can get it in Russia as movement with dial and hands or as the whole original watch with different dials for relatively low price.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@ВикторСмирнов-у3д There was also a Zaria 2209, although information about it is scarce today. A rather interesting lozenge-type construction with raised bridges

@дядяМИТЯ-у8м Год назад

@@jakekaywell5972есть еще тоньше

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@дядяМИТЯ-у8м Indeed there was. The Poljot 2200, as explained in the video, does hold the title of being the actual thinnest Soviet movement ever made at just 1.85mm. The Raketa 2209, however, is merely the thinnest Soviet THREE-HANDED movement ever made. Another impressive piece is the Chaika 1200, the smallest Soviet movement ever made. Overall dimensions 9X13mm.

@pierre-yvesp3769 Год назад

Awesome work, as usual! Would have loved to see the work you did on the mainspring in the video! This looks like a nice movement, indeed. I would love to see you work on a Citizen Diamond Flake (0700 caliber). At 2.75mm, it is muuuch thicker than this Raketa ;-) but it is a work of art in my opinion (which is not to be trusted in this case, I'm very partial to Citizen).

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Unfortunately, the original mainspring in his Raketa was trashed. He simply replaced it with a new one that fit the dimensions of the barrel. I had a look at the Citizen caliber 0700. A very nice movement for sure, and exactly as thin as Raketa's 2209 (2.7 mm). However, its safe to say that the 2209 is the more technically-audacious movement. I mean, just look at the thing!

@hectorcortez3888 Год назад

Love watching your channel, anyway can you tell me we're u get those buffing sticks from. 😊

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

They should have them in any material house, I got mine from cousinsuk.com

@andreyche193 Год назад

Soviet watches were great. They would run forever and were pretty accurate: cannot say that about something like Timex!

@jimbrown8842 Год назад

Similar to the small.square watch sold in uk under "sekonda" brand in 70s and 80s,i have 3 of these,they have a date window at 4 o clock,otherwise visually the same.i think these might have been "slava"brand in ussr.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Sekonda was the trade name the USSR sold their watches under in the UK between the 1960s-80s, before becoming an independent company after the collapse. You're right in that the ones with a date window at 4 o'clock were sold as Slavas (SMWF), with 2414 type movements. Only similarity between the two is the square case.

@ygrbooks Год назад

Dear Stian, thank you so much for another most instructive and beautiful video. It is a pity that you cannot wear Russian watches any longer, but the quality of the finishing and design of this one is much better than what you get from some very expensive Swiss brands today (Panerai anyone 🤪?). I do own a Raketa Perpetual Calendar, which is about as "Perpetual" as 99% of the Rolexes you can buy under this moniker, but it really looks cool and is - like this one - very different.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks, Yves! I would honestly rather have this watch than a Panerai....

@angelherrera6820 Год назад

Wonderful restoration. Your channel is a joy to watch and the variety of watches you present are equally wonderful. You'r work is fantastic! Cheers!

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thank you so much 😊

@raymondo162 Год назад

arse buzzer .................... lolz

@valerystpnv1180 Год назад

I have to confirm with some regret your joke about buzzer. 😢

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

😂👍

@samnova450 6 месяцев назад

Interesting watch.

@greggc.touftree5936 Год назад

Looks guys, Stian has the collet style of hand collet closer, instead of the block kind. That's how you know he's loaded. Edit: It's relieving the movement was so straight forward and classic (almost American). Every time I see a thinny thin thin I get spooked. Same with rice sized movement like the Omega 212 (did I get that number right?

@jcaam8094 Год назад

Looks a lot like a Universal Geneve I own.

@endy_fx Год назад

I've worked on a bunch of Vostok 2414s, which use the same shock setting and can confirm they are a pain in the proverbials.

@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands Год назад

@alaindrolet_atlt_2019 Год назад

Very nice one, straightforward and different movement, cool final result ! Thank you for share ! Best regard Stian !! 👍

@pippomai9559 Год назад

Ciao Stian . Thought you were in vacation near the Garda Lake, but not . 😢 nice watch , I like the old USSR watches . I have a 24 hrs dial one . Ciao

@metaldetectingthenortheast1294 Год назад

Cool to see this one. Always thought it was an interesting design. Hope you can get your hands on a Hangzhou 5000a chinese micro rotor because I'm really curious to see someone disassemble one.

@stevemoreno6241 Год назад

Thank you for showcasing an uncommon watch. Excellent video as always.

@dennisallport5704 Год назад

Another good one. Thanks for leaving in the little slips! We ALL learn from these.

@davelowey3074 Год назад

Eta stile cannon pinion before the ratchet wheel, great video Stian haven't seen this movement before great stuff

@ronl7131 Год назад

I have couple Raketas….good users. Keep time.

@endospores Год назад

Hi Stian, great work with such a delicate watch. Would you be interested in servicing a 1970s Pronto 25 jewel automatic? Inherited it from my late father. Can't find much information about it. Since it is an old swiss brand maybe you know something.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Hello, thanks for your confidence in me, but for now I am much too overloaded to take on any further work...

@robertwalker9625 Год назад

Stian, did the Soviet watch company outsource parts to build their watches? I'm also curious if other watch makers use outsourced parts to build their watches? By the way, I sold my Soviet ass buzzer on ebay and made less than a dollar. You're half right, mine didn't fit, but it buzzed. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

😂 I believe the Soviet factories were fully integrated, thus that they built everything themselves, but I'm no expert.

@SubTroppo Год назад

"...sweet, sweet sound..." I'm glad you've come around to my way of thinking about the ultrasonic cleaner. Did you have a trip to the south of France and hear the pulsating cicadas on a hot day?

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Not yet!

@alanmckinnon6791 Год назад

Nice job Stian! I have a few Russian watches lying around and they do things their own way, very much so. I was intrigued by that eccentric to set the yoke - why? Was Soviet stamping so poor they couldn't rely on yokes being correct? Can't think of any good reason to *require* that.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

I'm pretty sure its to increase overall reliability of the radical setting levers and springs to begin with. With a movement design this thin, unorthodox measures have to be taken.

@wspaulding89 Год назад

This is the second Soviet watch I've seen you restore. I can't say that when I think watches my mind goes to the Soviet Union. There may be a reason for that, but it's usually Japan or Europe.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Well, I can answer that question. If you're American, the U.S. government banned any trade whatsoever with the Soviet Union from 1959 until the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, any Soviet watches that entered the U.S. were privately purchased abroad and brought back. From the early 50s-early 80s, the Soviet Union was the second-largest maker and exporter of watches in the world, second only to the Swiss. Much of their watches were sent to either their allies in the Eastern Bloc or neutral nations in the third world, but a good number were sold in the capitalist West under different names. For instance, "Sekonda" for the UK market and "Cardinal" for the Canadian one. Therefore, it's entirely possible you may well be familiar with Soviet watchmaking already. You simply didn't realize it before. Overall, Soviet watchmaking is a great, useful, very much unsung addition to watchmaking as a whole. A number of innovations wouldn't exist without them (ex. the first movement in the world made using an assembly line, the Zvezda 1802).

@followthetrawler Год назад

Thanks for sharing Stian - a really nice watch, and a great find!

@HansMeijner Год назад

Great to see a 2209 in one of your videos. I've had a few watches with these movements. Mostly the Luch version which is a bit different. I still have one working one left and a few donor moments. But I really like it. I wear it from time to time. And because of the situation of the world today I sometimes get the comment "how can you wear a watch from the Sovjet Union due to the situation today?". Well the simple answer to that is always that I don't think the people then have any responsibility of what's going on today. They didn't even had anything to do with what was going on then either. They were just hard working people that had a low salary trying to survive. And that's usually how the discussion ends.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Its worth mentioning that the Raketa 2209 and the Vympel/Poljot/Luch 2209 are completely different movements technically. Only the GOST code is the same. As the video went over, 22 stands for the diameter of the movement (22 mm) and 09 indicates a central-seconds movement with a shock-protected balance.

@mM30040 Год назад

worsttt movment to work on i hate this one locks nice but bad to work for me at least 😅

@hectorcortez3888 Год назад

Thank you for the info, keep doing those videos 📹

@tomo9224 Год назад

Shock settings would help when accidentally falling out a window....

@ryanjofre Год назад

Ouch. 🤣🤣

@tocsa120ls Год назад

The Central Committee designed a follow-up movement to this but they couldn't hoist it out of the factory gate.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

What was the design parameters? To create the worlds largest movement?

@extremelydave Год назад

Well, the case being square doesn't do it any favors, but other than being thin, it's a tad hum drum to me....

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

You also have a cross-sectioned dial with applied square markers. Both nice flourishes to what was meant to be visually a simple dress watch.

@ИванИванов-о6ц6м Год назад

thanks to uploading restoration videos ,also its very rare and thin movement ,keep it carefully

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

😁👍

@anthonycaryl1079 Год назад

Looks good, cool to see another soviet movement

@unwokeneuropean3590 Год назад

Soviets had great ideas but they had to work with subpar materials.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

True enough, especially for electronics such as the VEF-12 radio I still use. Impressive fidelity and user-accessibility, but the plastic case is a bit rough. The USSR never completely perfected making modern phenol plastics.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Thank you very much for doing this watch I suggested so many months ago. It is a joy to be able to share this little-known technological marvel in horology with others. Excellent video besides, but that's a given.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks for the idea!

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@VintageWatchServices You're quite welcome! Another impressive piece is the Chaika 1200, the smallest Soviet movement ever made. Overall dimensions 9X13mm. I can only imagine your reaction to that one.

@damen1575 Год назад

i have a prepetual calender raketa 1980 blue dial and its so amazing it feels like a million bucks watch the casing is milled stainless the movement sounds and looks gentle and steady and i bought it for about 30 dollars from a local guy

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

If it was from 1980, that Raketa would have had a chrome-plated brass case. Still, the perpetual calendar is an iconic Soviet-era Raketa for a reason.

@damen1575 Год назад

@@jakekaywell5972 nice didnt know this

@boydsargeant7496 Год назад

Lovely watch and movement, would love to work on one of these, will keep my eyes open!

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

They appear on eBay all the time for under $100 USD.

@bessiebraveheart Год назад

Sorry, I just don't like Russian watches. Russian and Chinese movements, NO.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Luckily for you, this is Soviet.

@unwokeneuropean3590 Год назад

Soviet had supreme dress watches but also great military style watches. If you need to go into water Vostok watch is better than anything else and only for a fraction of the price.

@waverley610 Год назад

Genuinely am wondering why you can no longer wear Russian watches?! Not only do they tell the time but they tell *of* time itself.

@hamishspencer Год назад

Does this movement have anything to do with the Vostok 2209 movement?

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

No. Technically completely different movements. Only the GOST code is the same.

@benfoust7424 Год назад

Another great video, thank you for sharing Stian.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it, Ben!

@steveblake8766 Год назад

461 Thumbs uP

@SvenForbes Год назад

Die Uhr sieht nicht hübsch aus, aber sie ist sehr selten. 😊👍👀

@BokiPetrovic88 Год назад

Hi, Stian great video. What brand and size pin vices would you recommend for watchmaking? Thanks

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Hello Bojan, you should ideally get a few sizes. Bergeon makes the best ones, with the jaws closing very symmetrically

@BokiPetrovic88 Год назад

@@VintageWatchServices thanks for the answer, what sizes I should get, what you find are most useful?

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

@@BokiPetrovic88 Depends on what you work on etc. Check one of the material houses

@BokiPetrovic88 Год назад

@@VintageWatchServices which one do you use the most,i would use it for winding stems mostly, do you use Eclipse ones?

@michaelfonseka7657 9 месяцев назад

Thank you Theon, another inspiring service.....as always.

@VintageWatchServices 9 месяцев назад

Thanks, Michael! Stian 😉

@markmower1746 16 дней назад

@@VintageWatchServiceshow much would one of these watches go for?

@fattern_ Год назад

Hei Stian, takk for flott video. Hva bruker du for å rense pivots?

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Hei fattern, jeg bruker et produkt som heter EVE Flex

@pipodorologio1648 Год назад

nice one again Stian, lovely thin Russian, I did not know they had these....finishing is rough as always but it looks really nice

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

It was a proper technical marvel, being the tinnest three-handed movement the USSR ever made. Just 2.7 mm thick. I truly believe the only reason it isn't as appreciated in the watch community as it likely should be is because the Soviets made it.

@pipodorologio1648 Год назад

thought only Piaget,JLC or VC made made these ultrathin watches...lol@@jakekaywell5972

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@pipodorologio1648 Nah, there's a good number of these ultra-thin designs from makers who have nothing at all to do with the "Holy Trinity". Raketa, obviously, but also Poljot (2200, 2209), Seiko (9A85), Citizen (0700), Omega (1332), and NOMOS (Tetra).

@frodriguezpc Год назад

Again, a great video! Soviet watches have a place in many hobbyist watchmakers' hearts, many of us have learnt our skills on Raketa, Zim, Vostok or Poljot movements. I would love to see a 3017 or 3133 chronograph service for your next Soviet adventure, these are some of the most interesting (and valued) soviet era watches.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

Thanks! I actually already did a 3133, you'll find out on the channel

@frodriguezpc Год назад

I havent seen that one! Next in my playlist definitely. I have a small collection of these, all soviet era, and most of them military versions. Lovely and very collectible.

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

@@frodriguezpc 😁👍

@frodriguezpc Год назад

Just saw that one, lovely again! Left a comment on quality of these, it takes a bit of knowledge of this specific model to pick the real interesting ones! As a rule of thumb, perestroika and post soviet pieces are of less quality overall

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@frodriguezpc I agree. Quality remained pretty solid in the 50s-70s, then took a hit in the 80s. Post-Soviet Russian watches (Slavas, Poljots, etc.) were indeed significantly worse for a long while, which likely contributed to the unfortunate shut-down of a few of these factories. Luckily the ones that survived and are presently operating, such as Raketa, Vostok, and Molnija, make products that surpass Soviet quality.

@jamieadams7550 Год назад

Will you teach me?

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

The membership option could be interesting for you, perhaps?

@ydnartitcomb1 Год назад

Thank you for sharing your work

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

My pleasure!

@Donkim420 Год назад

He soinds swedish...

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Close. Norwegian.

@davejordheim1826 Год назад

What is/was the thinnest movement ever made?

@VintageWatchServices Год назад

www.wristenthusiast.com/latest/worlds-thinnest-watch#:~:text=Richard%20Mille%20RM%20UP%2D01%20%2D%20The%20World%27s%20Thinnest%20Watch&text=It%20just%20seemed%20that%20Piaget,a%20mere%201.75mm%20thick%20(. These extremely thin watches have integrated cases, where the case provides the structure for the movement.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

The thinnest Soviet mechanical watch ever made, as explained in the video, is the Poljot 2200 at 5 mm overall back in the mid-60s. However, the thinnest mechanical watch as of now (2023) is the Richard Mille UP-01 Ferrari at 1.75 mm overall.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

Just another couple of questions, if I may: what was the hardest part of working on this movement? I got the impression that you really liked the design of the Raketa 2209, but wish the Swiss made it with better resources available. I agree, it would certainly be interesting seeing someone like ETA or Stellita making an updated version of this movement. I can't imagine this fifty-year-old design would still be claimed by IP laws anyway. Also, now that your example is fixed, what's next in store for it?

@laurigardner6227 Год назад

A soviet joke is the trains ran so precisely on time they had to adjust the clocks every time. Thank you for reminding me of this old soviet movement. It would indeed be interesting to see a modernized and developed movement based on the Raketa 2209. Thank you for your lovely videos!

@michaelcorvin4330 Год назад

The Soviet joke! 🤣🤣🤣

@johnsrabe Год назад

I haven’t gotten that far… is it something like “In the Soviet Union, a Raketa watches you!”

@michaelcorvin4330 Год назад

@@johnsrabe Even better!

@johnsrabe Год назад

Oh, I disagree. I just heard the ass buzzer joke, and remember it from when he told it before. It’s so good. And so Soviet.

@jakekaywell5972 Год назад

@@johnsrabe Eh, there's some truth to that, but some revisionism too. The quality of Soviet consumer goods just depended on the percieved importance of what was being made and why. Soviet razors (such as the Trud-Vacha straight I still use) and radios (VEF-12) still work fine and dandy both back then and nowadays.

@johnsrabe Год назад

@@jakekaywell5972 In America, you listen to the radio. But in Soviet Union, the radio … plays Soviet radio shows and music and such.

@freerider1082 Год назад

Everything was great, with the exception of the decay error of 1.4 msec. is too big and needs to be corrected. From 0.5 msec. a correction is necessary. Respectful regards

@giacintoboccia9386 Год назад

The case being so big on a thin movement reminds me of the Groma Kolibri (an East German typewriter) that was exceptionally small and had a huge case to carry it.