My dad and I played this game together so much when I was younger. I’m so glad there’s still a community of people who still appreciate how amazing it is. Love ur channel Ɛ>
Haven't played civ 3, not planning on doing so because it looks like way too much for me, but I still really enjoy your videos. I'm more of a civ 5 guy, and in part because of that I think it's cool that there's a community keeping the even older civs alive. I feel like civ 3 had a lot more "soul" to it than 6 or even 5 (as much as I like 5)
Having gone from civ 6 to civ 3 (which I hadn't played in a decade), I was amazed by how much simpler Civ 3 is than I expected. There are only three actual yields to keep track of, techs often provide nothing other than advancement on the tech tree, and there are no civics to deal with, either. Plus, it seems like the only distinguishing features between civs are their UU and their two traits. Honestly, I say give it a go! The game is dirt cheap on Steam. I think I still prefer 6 overall, but it's unfair to compare them because they're really like apples and oranges.
Top 10 Best Anime Redemption Arcs Suede and the Mausoleum of Maussollos Suede and the Great Wall Suede and the Colossus Biggest Anime Betrayal Suede and Leonardo's Workshop Hope you like some of my changes in opinion here, you feedback has been instrumental in influencing how I use a lot of these wonders.
Thanks for this! Yeah, your Sid Byzantium playthrough where you opened Colossus was eye-opening for me regarding the effect of some of those early wonders.
Me again, having posted on the previous video about my issues with getting civ 3 complete world edit to work. Do you have any suggestions on how to get it to work aside from what you already replied with in the comments of the previous video? If not, I apologize and will just continue to try and stumble around to find an answer. Like *shudders* microsoft windows support ;-; Also it is super cool that you value civ 3 a lot, I take it you are not a fan of 5 and 6 as well? I feel like those games ruined a lot of what civ seemed to be in my mind.
@@chewee517 Send screenshots to the discord of what you're opening and the error messages you're getting. I haven't played civ 6. I have videos on my opinions on Civ 4 and 5
Im a big fan of civ 3 since my youngest days! I played original game for like 5 years. I got complete edition for my birthday 2014. Now i play civ 3 on steam. Great to see active civ 3 you tube channel! Good job bro. Real nostalgia!
I love to play archipelago maps because I love the expansion and discovery of new lands and not all being stuck fighting from turn 25 onwards. Fighting wars, fighting to block off lux, fighting over cities and land… the great lighthouse not only allows you first dibs on new islands, it allows you to block off enemy ships who won’t dare go around you into “unsafe” waters. This wonder is so op on any map besides Pangea that I have grown accustomed to rushing philosophy, always the first to get it, using my free tech on map making, one of the most expensive techs of the era, and build this as top priority behind the pyramids.
I "wonder" if the copernicus observatory gold bonus was done on purpose or it's some kind of bug. Had no idea about that bonus. Also the downside for the statue of Zeus is that you need ivory, so it's not possible to always build it.
I’d argue that is actually a massive upside funnily enough, since it makes it extremely unlikely to have it stolen, so while you won’t often get access to it, when you do its pretty much a guaranteed build that will save shields on building units.
Could also do "best techs not on the core tech path" / which ones are worth it -- my thought is 1) Republic 2) Literature, 3) Nationalism, 4) Chivalry, 5) Military Tradition, 6) Navigation (for map trading), -- that is usually where I draw the line on which techs are worth it when not doing 1 city culture-- but a bunch of others can be worth it in specific scenarios.
In a game without luxuries I was saved by the combination of Temple of Artemis and Sistine Chapel. Free temples that let me build OP cathedrals and loosen my economy a lot. But it's really circumstantial and I don't see it as a useful tip. I should mention that there were no luxuries to trade, the only 2 extra luxuries that the AI had were traded among themselves pretty much permanently, I never got a chance to grab one
Hmmmm Interesting. My big grief with the ToA is that it expires. My big grief with Sistine Chapel and cathedrals in general is how expensive they are. Cathedrals are more cost efficient in terms of maintenance than temple, but you have to do both buildings. But if you did ToA first, you could save 60 shields on a temple. You'd lose the temple, but you'd keep the cathedral, and the cathedral still functions without the temple.
I had an amazing capital city in one of my games and was able to build the colossus, pyramids, mausoleum, and great lighthouse there. I got sun tzus or sistine don’t remember which and then got copernicus and Newton’s university in there, all along with the library and univ. Oh gosh when I put tech on 100% my capital alone was pumping out almost 400 science per turn by the time I got to the modern age. Maybe I’ll try to take a screenshot some time.
The Internet will not put pollution in all your cities, no. I recently was screwing around on lower difficulties and grabbed it (because honestly, I was a Modern civilization when half the map was in the Middle Ages, why not right?) and did not have issues with that in cities that didn't have Factories. So it does have that going for it?
Honestly learning alot from this channel. I liked Civ 3 alot back in the day as a kid and started getting back into it recently. I suppose I was doing alot of things wrong xD
About Leonardo's (time index 13:04 for the slide) - you say it isn't that useful due to what you can upgrade with it using examples of military units to come (cannons to artillery) or saying knights are already cheap enough to upgrade. But you miss a trick here by selling the wonder short, which is the cost of ancient era units to modernize. You have said upgrade a few of the mounted warriors to cavalry, and keep using the mixed stack as the mounted warriors are so cheap to build (basically using them as either cannon fodder or to quall resisters while the main units do the heavy lifting). This is extremely sound, but one of the reasons you probably say upgrade a few mounted warriors is that they cost 120 gold each to upgrade! So if you have 10 to 20 of these cheap and very powerful ancient era units due to taking out a civ or two, you would have to spend 1,200 gold to upgrade just 10 of them - and that is a huge amount by the time you have barely reached the second era. So to be able to save 600 gold by having this wonder is phenomenal, and I would say not many people ever have 1,200 gold at this stage of the game to use on upgrades instead of research for techs. So not only do you get to upgrade more ancient era units to modern units, you are not having to spend 600 gold (assuming on the upgrading of 10 mounted warriors), plus your cities do not have to produce the modern units. I know having the wonder you probably are thinking it encourages the upgrades and the modern units in the base cities are quick to produce, but it means you can have those cities for building other wonders or increase your military size without having to wait for modern units which allows for a continuing strong presence on the map.
If you're fighting heavily early game (which is why you have lots of ancient units), you can't really afford to spend 600 shields on a wonder. Better get another 20 mounted warriors instead.
Leonardo is incredibly useful - medieval/longbowmen to guerrillas, guerillas to TOWs, musketmen to rifles to infantry to mechs, tanks to MAs...esp with prebuilding ton of tanks to upgrade
3:50 coming from a civ 1 perspective, they basically are trying to do the same wonder as in civ 1, except war weariness is completely different there in civ 1, war weariness doesnt actually exist, theres just a mechanic to the governments of democracy and republic where each military unit thats out of their home city makes one citizen (2 if democracy) in that city unhappy, thats a pretty big negative, tho you can't declare wars if you are in those government types anyway, Universal Suffrage reduces that unhappiness effect by 1, negating it for republic, but democracy still has 1 unhappiness going for each military unit out of their home city (this also stacks)
Oracle is better than Pyramids for a 20k game. It's 100 shields cheaper and thus is more culture earlier. If you get an early SGL, it's best to either build The Pyramids with it and then hand-build the Oracle, or hand-build the Oracle, and then immediately SGL rush the Pyramids.
My enemy, persia built statue of zeus, because it have ivory on its island... I invaded its island and captured the city with this wonder during middle ages.. So i fight persian ancient cavs with my very own ancient cavs
@@MorganJ Here's the ending. Absolutely cursed, don't watch the whole thing. But there's a good recap at the end. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TDnjwFRl4YA.html
Have to agree with Leo's workshop, I built it in a lot of games because forums say it's top3 in the game and it really doesn't do that much. Upgrading 30 knights (bold to assume that many have survived) saves 450 gold... and that's it. Perhaps some defenders here and there but then until mid industrial era it does nothing
Completally agree with you but even then i always gonna grab it if i can where i found its best use is to upgrade all these catapults/trebs or cannons in artillery
Some wonders are so weak already that it's kinda annoying that they also expire pretty quickly. I usually like to play CivIII modded because I was never a fan of the basic map scripts so I just set a lot of wonders to not expire. Even if I rarely plan on building the Oracle or Temple of Artemis, may the AI get to enjoy an actually useful wonder.
Now after watching this I really hate how unbalanced these wonders are in civ3🤣lter civ wonders are so much better - there they give you a specific advantage in some area(s), but most of them are not totally game changing for you. Like the Great Library in civ3🤣
@@suedeciviii7142 is this your gameplay statistics? When you have the greatest land area, but below 66%, you can end the game by clustering new cities and irrigating all. It is an actual domination victory strategy.
As a Civ4 player I am surprised that the Oracle is the worst wonder in Civ3, while in Civ4 it's probably one of the best ancient buildings, giving you a technology for free
I find The Great Library to be a pretty useless Wonder of the World because usually I'm well ahead of other civilizations on science research. Besides, University is an important technology that opens the path to Metallurgy (Cannon unit) and Chemistry (road to Automobile and Flight). I recommend The Great Library only when you had a tough start and are falling behind in the technology race. Its benefits are also more effective when you play against a large number of civilizations (preferably 6).
Then you don’t play sid or any of the 3 difficulties where the great library is the most useful wonder ever and on higher difficulties then it is EXTREMELY rare to be ahead of the ai in terms of tech and it’s actually impossible on sid before the industrial era because of how much extra production,research and gold the ai gets. It’s fine if you play on beginner difficulties but don’t lecture for harder difficulties when you and i both know that civ 3 is a different game on those difficulties
On very low difficulties that's true, but even on mid difficulties, better to just turn off tech and use the gold on other stuff. If you have spare shields and can't build Uni, just spam offensive units and kill someone.
The only timer the Hoover Dam has had much effect for HoF games I've played has been in space race games. It's usually pretty useless otherwise. The AIs are often nothing soon after artillery proper come into play in my experience, if not sooner. Sun Tzu's is good for capturing, but that's about it. The race to the Great Library can easily be lost on Sid 60% wet warm Pangea maps, even with a powerful start.
The traditional advice is to wait until you're out of despotism, because you'll lose some of the golden age shields and commerce to the despotism penalty. But a despotism golden age can be very effective if you use it to build a lot of military units and conquer as much as possible. You can also try to time a golden age for when there are a few wonders you want.
About Smith's Trading Company and something you said in this video compared to what you said in your video "Top 6 Essential Buildings In Civ 3". You said the wonder doesn't increase the rate you are teching as it only increases your surplus or reduce your deficit, but doesn't the buildings it pays for allow you to have more gold per turn which means you can ramp up your science slider? Did you mean it doesn't directly increase teching but will allow an indirect possible increase? Or did I misinterpret something you said?
If you're playing well at this point of the game, your tech + luxury slider should be more than 100%. Gold from trades should be more than enough to cover the deficit. This is a generalization though. In my recent sid game, I was behind in tech and benefitted from it.
Glib would be broken. ToA would be a lot better, as would Hanging Gardens. Oracle might actually be usable too. But I don't why you'd risk losing Glib Off the top of my head these are the only ones that are really significantly reduced in effectiveness due to becoming obsolete.
But you don't have to rebuild temples though? Once the temple of Artemis expires I've only ever had to build temples in cities where I didn't have temples before it was built. The ToA pays for temples you already had built.
"Mediocre" vs "Game Breaking" is a lot of space between the broadly similar Knights Templar and Statue of Zeus. I know you love your mobile units, but is a middle ages Gallic Swordsman really 4 tiers higher than the second highest offense of the same era?
Yes 😎. In fact, if the statue of Zeus came with the option between either producing either Ancient Cavs or Crusaders, I'd pick the ancient cavs. They are just really good units. And the different between getting them when you're fighting spears, vs getting them when you're fighting pikes/muskets is huge.
How interesting would it be if the oracle had the longevity effect but became obsolete possibly even quicker? I think it would have to be balanced a bit but it might make the Oracle one of the better wonders and worth going for.
I think longevity as is is created so you can just snowball and overpower any opponent given enough time but it would be nicer if it provided an instant boost so that the player could say instantly increase population of every city by a certain amount with content faces,
Very abusable IMO, you can just dodge the tech that expires it. It would also stack with the Pyramids hahah. Maybe if it expired at philosophy or something, so you're locked out of republic and era advancement.
I played an Iroquois game where I exploited Leonardo's workshop to get cheap cavalry. If you avoid getting a golden age you can always train mounted warriors and then cheaply upgrade to cav. This effectively lets you hurry production for 1.5 gold/shield instead of 4. It might not be worth skipping the golden age. But I was overusing exploits in that run.
Cool strat, I definitely didn't consider a horseman upgrade strat. If you had a lot of gold (say, from the great lib) then that's a good way to convert it to shields. You don't need to skip golden age. Just don't tech chiv or unhook your iron :)
@@suedeciviii7142 Good idea with the iron. Any civ can do a horseman-cav upgrade. Upgrades are cheaper than rushing even without Leonardo's. Thanks for your videos. You do a great job at explaining the true effects of units/buildings. I was a 0% happiness slider noob before your guides. I played the game wrong for 15 years. Now I can beat Sid difficulty (With A tier civs) I'd love to watch you play more scenarios or special challenges. Regular games and multiplayer videos are too generic for me.
@@elroyjennings7833 I'm kind of burnt out on single player gameplay in general. Most of my content for the next little while will be clickbait lists and guides. But if I did another video, it would be some sort of challenge where I can only plant cities on tundra.
@@suedeciviii7142 I really wanna try this on a higher difficulty, but I fear it's impossible to get Leo's when you have GLib and don't tech isn't it? :/
Sure, absolutely. Carriers are really expensive. The AI also builds a lot of ships and planes, so you need to defend your carriers with a lot of boats. It's worth pointing out that ships are generally overcosted in Civ 3. A single bombing run will destroy a regular carrier or destroyer about 20% of the time, and a submarine 40% of the time. 20 bombers could easily require 1300 shields worth of investment in naval units. So if you didn't use carriers, you could build 33 bombers instead of 20. It's far better to use airbases then carriers. Airbases have a special property where the planes inside it cannot be bombed, unlike cities. If the enemy puts the airbase into their own culture (Likely by taking the city next to the carrier) the planes get teleported back to one of your cities. So all you need to do is get some sort of toehold on the island or continent you're attacking (or an island nearby) and you can just move all your planes over.
Generally mid techs and currency are the best to sell. The AI goes for bottom tech soon, but not super soon. If you start with CB and rush for monarchy ASAP I could see it working on emperor and below though.
My favorite Wonders are “The Statue of Zeus” and “Knights Templar” they produce an Ancient Cavalry and a Crusader automatically every 5 turns until the obsolescence of “Metallurgy”,and “Steam Power” technologies(for building the “Statue of Zeus” you need an ivory,but for building the “Knights Templar” you don’t need any resources) !!!
Alright hear me out, you play on a Huge Pangea map versus just 4 other civs on a lower difficulty. You've already rushed the Pyramids and you just got a scientific great leader from discovering Polytheism, so of course you're going to rush ToA. What's the perfect wonder to keep up your wide and tall civs happiness? Bet you wish you rushed The Oracle in your 2nd best city now :D
The Knights Templar is a very good Wonder to build. Crusaders are ideal for defensive terrain. They also make excellent garrison units. A crusader army is great for blocking enemy counter attacks. You do not want your strongest opponent to have extra free heavy infantry.
The great lighthouse does not allow trade over sea squares. Tried it yesterday in a hope it would allow me to get horses and trade for luxuries (having only 2 was taxing me dearly in lux slider and requiring cathedrals). It didn't work and i needed Astronomy to get Knights and get the luxuries (and i built templars sacrificing sun-tzu and leonardo)
@@suedeciviii7142 Nope, i coudn't get the horses from the distant island as there were no coastal tile connection. I could colonize it due to the wonder. It's the same as having a Carrack, can sail ocean but can't trade or move resources
One building = a barracks Two building = 2 barrackses "Fishes" and "persons" really shouldn't be a word, but people use it to talk about different species or groups. Language evolves! Or in Civ 3, it's like how I say "roading" that tile even though "road" isn't a verb.
@@AGenericAccount Language evolves, like the example I gave with "fishes". English is particularly malleable. So I use something grammatically "wrong" in order to make it clear that I'm using a plural. Because otherwise it's ambiguous, since the name of a single barracks is also "barracks".
@@AGenericAccount Prescriptivism is bad. An example of what I'm referring to. www.grammarly.com/blog/fish-fishes/#:~:text=The%20plural%20of%20fish%20is,often%20referred%20to%20as%20fishes.
