I liked normal 'g' but wrote it fancy cuz i HATED letters with tiny bits that stick out --q, r, u, p, d, g, n, & m--, I simplify them or else: 'q' becomes a backward 'þ' 'r' becomes 'lr' 'u' becomes 'y' 'p' becomes 'þ' 'd' becomes a backward 'þ' 'g' becomes some horrible abomonation 'n' becomes 'h' 'm' becomes 'hn'.
Yo, this is utterly fascinating to me. I am mostly blind, so I can read print and braille. In braille, there are no ligatures to worry about, therefore kerning is a nonissue, however, there are groupsigns, wordsigns, and a host of other particularities that sparked my curiosity into how braille might offer an interesting aside to explore in the world of anagraphs.
I spent something like 6 hours the other day playing with the letters I cut out from a handmade sign that said “Rach’s Bridal Shower!” (Shower over, pleased with the letters themselves but mortified by a kerning abomination, unwilling to store or trash) Flipping h’s to make y’s, among a few other flip tricks, opened up, well, at least 6 hours worth of correctly spelled, nearly grammatical phrases and sentences. Some favorites: “horrible, scary wasp!” “Brad, Sheryl is a crow!” And “I worry Charles is bad.” I feel so unbelievably seen by this video.
"I wanna learn more about letters!" -> "I wanna learn more about lettuce!" made me have to sit completely still at work while tears beaded up in my eyes to avoid laughing out loud.
@@vlc-cosplayer Except you have to resize those radicals or things could look really bad (and the size would be all over the place, which might or might not be an issue depending on fonts). If you allow resizing then you could use the character 永 to find all the necessary strokes as components contained within. There is a way to encode Chinese characters using just 一丨丿丶and 乛 (and some people use it for typing Chinese using a keyboard, especially on phones in the past, giving that only 5 keys are needed), but that's kinda categorizing similar strokes into the same name (e.g. 乛 contains 乚 and so on). The overall stroke types should be less than 20 I think, slightly more if you take "capital strokes" in some fonts into count (there's just one -- a longer and more fancy version of 一), and also slightly more if you also count 〇 which is a valid Chinese character according to dictionary. But then if you think dictionary should be 100% obeyed then some Chinese words found in Chinese dictionary got English letters. (Japanese words can have those as well, just interchangeable with kana maybe.) And maybe 々 could really make the situation super complex (though we can always ban the use of it maybe).
7:50 personally I find it cool that 'inception' has acquired this new meaning of recursion/mise en abyme, along with the suffix -ception which can be added to any such action.
"I jurassiced the embryos to make more of them." "Everyone get down, we're die harding the building!" "He's acting a pretty weird, this is getting a little the thing."
just wanted you to know that you are quite literally my favourite youtuber. You're hilarious and entertaining and I get to learn stuff about silly problems, my favourite. Keep it up. please. Don't ever stop.
as a student of graphic design, the idea of "atomic" typefaces intrigues me. I am going to try and come up with a proper atomic typeface that solves your "b = l + o, b = l + c, o = 2 * c, b = b + c problem. I think that a perfectly circular "o" with a quarter turn section removed would equal "c", and that quarter turn could be used as the curl in the tail of a "j" , "q", "t", or the branch of an "r". two quarter turns could be used to create the arch in "h,n,m,u, etc.", and so on. your atoms just need to be more fundamental components. some elements that are not repeated in the alphabet could be repeated in punctuation, such as in the "$" and in the numbers. "3" could be made up of two three-quarter elipses with those same elliptical "atoms" used for the "s".
I think the only thing you need is to not allow overlap - that is, if you split a "B" into an "L" and "O", your basic l shape will have a chunk taken out of it. If you conserve mass like this, then you simply can't have all three of those rules. Imagine going through that list one at a time in your head, with mass conservation. By the time you loop back around for a second run, your b now looks different (and much uglier) than it did the first time. If you preserve mass, and start by designing the atoms and *then* make the letter rules, it'll be impossible to have all three of those rules.
@@antonliakhovitch8306 Ah, but are nice b and ugly b the same letter or not? Russians do something like this to solve their b/v problem (which they got from the naughty Greeks, I guess), and indeed we have i/j (who else likes the convention of iij o'clock, BTW?). Then there's the question of u u ⇔ w ⇔ v v, a remnant of our own u/v history. Not just conservation of mass but also diachrony needs to be considered, it becomes clear.
suckerpinch still gotta work my way through the additional video its dense and i havent had an uninterrupted hour to sit thru it but im definiely gonna.
you could make for each letter a "nicer" version which is similar to the atom version, but has its own slightly modified atoms so it looks nicer (i.e. the curve on the n and u could be nicer if the r atom was tweaked a little), and then an animation to interpolate between the raw atoms and the tweaked versions for each letter - or if you wanna spend a lot more time you could make unique animations between each version of each atom to make it look that little bit nicer - and then in the final anagraph animation you play this atom-interpolation animation at the same speed as the atoms move around, hopefully making it unnoticable and making the final result just that tiny little bit nicer looking using a similar method to that cheaty infinite chocolate bar animation that makes the piece bigger while it moves, except in this case it's not cheating, it's just for aesthetic this method also allows you to make anagraph animations in any font, or even interpolating between DIFFERENT fonts if you make animations across those fonts, or just interpolate them programmatically in a way that might not look as nice (especially across fonts) but overall take way less effort, just don't do it between serif and sans-serif fonts or it will be very obvious
The uniqueness of the word decomposition at around 9:20-9:35 is not a problem. If you allow any decomposition, you are right in that the decomposition is not unique, but if you only allow decomposition into atoms, it actually is unique (up to ordering). It's like normal numbers. You can write many numbers as a product of multiple numbers, but their prime factoring still is unique (up to ordering).
In Finnish we have "a" with two dots (ä) and "o" with two dots (ö), which could make the problem even more undecidable. And, due to our Swedish heritage, we also have "a" with a circle (å) which has a whole new element, which makes it a primitive. Oh, the sweet headache...
I don't think that would make it harder because the extra dots and primitive don't create new ways to create those letters. In any case, he said that even the infinitely reproducing "c"s can be theoretically handled.
Fucking Anagraphs. That's what I've been looking for, for goddamn YEARS. Thank you lad. Me not finding this, was the primary reason I stopped programming.
Christmas came early this year! I absolutely love how nerdy you get about stuff - it's fascinating. I always look forward to the next insightful video on some weird topic... that is, I always forget this channel exists and then get a nice surprise about once a year when you pop up in my subscription box. Gonna go fall asleep to, ehm, I mean attentively watch the other video now.
Okay okay - I'll give you that. Another doubling of that figure would be nice, though ;) Although I can see why your videos take up a lot of time. Thanks for creating awesome, in-depth content!
If your c's overhang you could build an e by adding a straight piece. And that might solve the s problem too,but that assumes scaling is not an issue. The kerning problem isn't a bad one to have either because you can make for longer words that way.
When I first was drawing this on paper, I did assume e could decompose into c + '. But when I actually made the font, I was unable to make the ' both long enough to work for e.g. c + ' = a, and short enough for decomposing e. Might be possible with different-looking letters...
@ 9:55 hey why not just make a rule that b cannot be written as l o. if you look at it when you merge l o the o will still kind of bulge to the left, and you can't cleanly separate the o from the l either. if you just made the rules for b l c (which by extension would rule out l c c as well) then maybe that would solve the whole problem?
A solve for your primitive letters/atoms/ugly construction problem. r can be split into a tick and a 90-degree curve, which I'll call a corner. The letters c, s, and e, then are all no longer atoms, because the corner solves their construction problems. c is two corners; s is between 3 and 6 of them, depending on your preference; and e is a single tick + three corners. Corners can also be used to break down things like the fancy g you prefer (as well as any letter with an "o" atom), j, y, u/n/h, and m, m being the most complex. It would consist of 3 ticks and four corners. Or maybe 3 corners, if you like. Like you said, kind of an unsolvable problem given the arbitrary rules and all, but it's a pretty versatile fix, all things considered. Plus, corners can be used to add serifs to a font, which even further expands the versatility of a given anagraph seed word.
Is there anywhere we could download that font editor? It seems like it could be useful. EDIT: if anyone was wondering, I found it. svn.code.sf.net/p/tom7misc/svn/trunk/anagraph/editor-ceors.html
8:02 - 8:35 I saw Inception in theaters in, what 2009? To this day had no Idea that there was any confusion about this whatsoever. Did people not use the word “inception” before that? All this is news to me. In fact, even if I had never seen the movie, I’m pretty sure from trailers and pop culture references, I would still gather what the movie was about, and why it was called Inception.
Indeed a lot of people didn't know the word inception was a real word going into it. I saw a number of people in my cinema at he time wondering if it was meant to be interception, or deception. And the evolution went "whoa, this is just like _Inception!"_ as in, explicitly comparing recursion to the movie, to just saying "(this is) inception!" with a totally different meaning.
@@kaitlyn__L And many people now say blank-ception to make now words. Like catching a fish that happened to have a fish in it's stomach, which also has a fish in it, and shouting "woah, it's fish-ception!" I guess this is not as bad, kinda like fish-burger or chicken-burger is sometimes used, but the "ham" in hamburger is not theoretically supposed to be separated from burger, because it's Hamburg-er, ie something from Hamburg, Germany.
Oh god, "ö", "ü" and "ä" gives us so much freedom in German for this since you could use two "i" in a word to create an Umlaut which I imagine gives a lot of possibilities since "i" is a very common letter and Umlaute are fairly common in German.
