Anakin Didn't 'Turn' into Darth Vader, He Always was Him: Star Wars Character Analysis 

Which makes Jar Jar's actions during the period much more interesting.

I don't think that he is misunderstood. He did commit many crimes. Considering how he was slaughtering children in the temple and many other innocent people I don't feel sorry for him. He has made his own choices.

He was best when Lucas’ godawful dialogue was coming out of his mouth-basically the sequence on Mustafar, where he got scowl and stare menacingly and show emotion without words

Probably because he was written as the movies where made..

He played the roll as good as he could but he’s not that great of an actor.

What a load of self-serving BS to say after killing millions by your own hand. Star Wars has disgusting morals.

@@DraculaCronqvist At the end he saved his son from the hands of someone more powerful than himself therefore their still was good in him

@@GottiGzz24 Doesn't excuse his actions or absolve him of any of his crimes by any stretch of the imagination.

@@DraculaCronqvist Except he didn’t excuse himself, he redeemed himself

@@GottiGzz24 He didn't. He killed the one guy more evil than him and then had the gall to say to his son that he should tell his sister that he was right about there still being good in him. He wanted, in his final moment, to be pitied by his daughter, whose planet he blew up and whose family he murdered, alongside billions of others!

Anakin reminds me of myself. Like Anakin, I too have made big mistakes over my attachments and fear of loss. However, I also have good parents who gave me the emotional support to deal with it.

He didn't want to fail for many reasons. A lot due to the threat of losing those he cared about. During his time with the jedi he clearly cared for the people, those who couldn't help themselves and wanted to do for them what he desperately wanted someone to do when he was a slave. Basically, he wanted a knight in shinning armor to save his friends and family from slavery and as a jedi he could. However, the jedi didn't give him the proper support. Their ways held them back from helping him in any real meaningful way. They would not go deep enough into the force to see it. Qui-Gon had to be the last true jedi that adhered to the will of the force. A man who understood and could guide Anakin in the right direction.

This is why he’s so cool imo. I always hated the narrative of darth vader being a different entity inside anakin. IMO he always went all in, like you said, even when doing questionable things.

Yoda never needed to tell Anakin “try not - do, or do not.” And Padme wasn’t a half-@$$er either (certainly not if you buy the theory that Sidious killed her). I guess we all have a few ways we are, sometimes, so unlike either of our parents.

Amen. Anakin was passionate, and like many passionate people that's underscored by an intensity that can be incredibly good and productive or incredibly dark and destructive. Obi Wan absolutely failed him, more than anyone else. He apparently NEVER talked to him about Satine, or about Padme, or apparently much of anything that wasn't Jedi business. If he felt like Anakin's brother why didn't he act like it?

The jedi always seemed to mention just how much uncertainty and fear they sensed in him. Anakin’s downfall was just how far he was willing to go for the people he loved.

​@@n0va_- Yep, he went all in... even at times when the bottom of that pit was nothing but an endless dark hole

Hiding feelings preached from the Jedi only intensified his selfish feelings. Blind devotion to someone is super scary. Anakins love turns to poison.

I think even *he* knew that. I think that he used it as his motivation, knowing that he was balancing on a thin line. But in the end, in his own mind, his way was the only way. But his son showed him that love, which is what dictated all of his actions, can truly be used as a tool as long as you dont allow it to control you.

Oh yeah...forgot about that line! "When you left...I was but the learner...now I AM the Master!" Obi-Wan should've said : "You might be a Master, but you're still not on The Jedi Council!"

@@dancooke8811 🤣

Beautifully spoken

@@dancooke8811 so uncivilized

Great observation, I love it when you can analyse what weight a single word can carry. The Star Wars Universe seems to be much less free and more dangerous than our own world, and they have not 'advanced' yet to the point where you'd take mental health seriously. Perhaps a shrink would have been better for Anakin than the Jedi-Priests.

The last time Anakin Skywalker asked someone to save themselves…

Every time

Anakin is a very interesting character, but damn, the dude wiped out and helped wipe out millions possibly billions of people. I can give a f if Luke was right about him. He didn’t listen to the council on how the sith can exploit others through their attachments and he went and got a politician pregnant anyway.

If the force have followed the live heart not the death book of words. I think anakin Skywalker won't become vater and probably his unclear and confusion turned him to the dark side he was a good jedi before. His misunderstanding and selfishness made him become vater.

Read the Lucas approved novel of Return of the Jedi written by author James Kahn. James Kahn adds more to this scene, written mutch better in the book.

He also enslaved the galaxy in the process.

@@hubris7434 What if Pong Krell infiltrated Padme's ship in ROTS??? I mean all of you were wondering nonstop what everything could have been if it was Ahsoka or Clovis but Krell would be a interesting change. Would Krell stab Vader before he attempted to Force Choke Padme??

@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 with respect, I don’t know who that is or what ya’ll talking about. I don’t speak Extended Universe. My only point was that Anakin visited his own suffering onto the entire galaxy. He suffered as a slave and yet his solution to suffering was to enslave everyone. I think that’s important.

Anakin was a slave his entire life. there was only one moment in his entire life where he wasn't a slave to anyone: after he had killed Palpatine. Hewas born as a slave on Tatooine, the became a slave to the Jedi, and finally, he was a slave to the Sith.

@@anakinlowground5515nope, y’all keep saying this dumb shii it’s getting me mad. He was NEVER a slave to The Jedi. They wouldn’t have killed or imprisoned him for leaving The Order. He had a choice to join the Order or NOT. Only thing he was a slave too was 1.) in his childhood, and 2.) his emotions and perhaps 3.) To Palpatine but honestly Palpitine didn’t really care about him too much and was ready to dispose him should he prove he was further no more of use.

Or, you could be encouraging him, cheering him on. I as a young boy, never understood why Luke didn't join his father and take control of the galaxy. It made no sense, to not join the family business and create a new and improved empire

Because Luke wanted his father to join the family business. The light side.@@asmith1711

Anakin always felt like to me a reflection of myself... (but awesome and badass version btw lmao), He's an amazing characters, making us learn from his huge mistakes that has cost his soul and everyone he cared about , he reminds me alot of Kratos from God of war, a tragic character who hates himself for the decision he has done in the past.

​@@asmith1711wasn't happy with the holiday allowance!

@@asmith1711you mad evil lmao

That was perfect man/lady.

He was so loyal to people slaughter many of them

@@cadeshanley218 yes and he even says to luke "its too late for me son" that more proof vader indeed didnt see himself as redeemable and his "now go my son leave me" line too

This was.....BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN!

This is one of the most well educated, simplistic, and beautifully written comments I have ever seen on RU-vid. Props to you for a great and holistic analysis!!

Wasn't that because he had no idea he had two children running around causing chaos?

It's easier to believe you've always been this way than to actively reflect on what was and what is. Though not to that extreme, a lot of us think the same way when we self-loathe.

at least to me, vader's psychology reads as a dark mirror of a struggle that exists within us all many of us convince ourselves that we are uncaring, cold hearted or callous as a way to excuse to ourselves and others actions for which we would otherwise have to hold ourselves responsible. rather than facing up to the hypocrisy of justifying our indiscretions in this way, we say that this is just the way we are, or that our hard lives made us this way only when we find the courage to be honest with ourselves and others and own up to our poor choices and mistakes can we release ourselves from feeling like such monsters

Not just the men but the women and children.

Palpatine was the only thing he had left. Can you blame him?

In the clone wars he was average tbh, in revenge of the sith he really adapted to the role (still my favourite one)

Agree

​@@shaunwhitehead1485 Hayden wasn't the voice actor for Anakin in TCW. That was someone else.

@@refertopfp9627 What? Who was?

@@shaunwhitehead1485 Matt Lanter

Is Asoka’s story mostly in the Clone Wars cartoon series?

@@jameswilkerson4412 Clone Wars -> a book -> Rebels Now she has her own show too and I'm pretty sure she was in The Mandalorian

His mom let the jedi take him so he could have a better life. Not sure that was really something he took to heart. Certainly not denying the Jedi's flaws, but Anakin had plenty of issues before the Clone wars.

Not really. Nothing prevented him from leaving the Jedi order. I never understood why he felt the need to stay. Padma was a senator and probably had enough funds at her disposal that she could have hired Anakin to act as a protector and to have him run missions that might need more of a specialized touch. If he did he could easily have been with Padma and the council would have had no say. When had visions he could have sought the council advice on the matter. At the end of the day it doesn't matter Anakin made his choice and he cant blame any one but himself. He knew the difference between right and wrong and still choose to commit evil acts know it was wrong.

Obi Wan, as stated repeatedly in the video, he was loyal to the people he loved. He couldn't just leave the order.@@deaddudegaming

Or, if you just watch the prequels you can see that Vader was always a part of a Anakin.

@@papaofthejohns5882 yup the witty puns, the way anakin stares out with his arms behind his back when hes talking to anyone, the arm crossing, the hands on his hips, the pointing with his right hand when hes angry and talking...it was in all the prequels, tcw, the obiwan show flashbacks and original trilogy ..thus his "you were right about me..tell your sister, you were right" line to luke

Perhaps saying was always Vader is okay, though that was a name given to him once he gave his loyalty to Sidious. But at least saying he was always Vader is better IMO the saying he was always Darth Vader. Darth is a title and earned, not something one is born with.

@@paulreadsthebible6584 Given that Anakin was born directly from the Force, I think he's the only one who COULD have been born with the title of Darth. Anakin could have been the most powerful Force user of all, if only the Jedi hadn't feared him, and instead of teaching him to fight and kill, they taught him to listen to the Force. He would have known that Palpatine was going to be the reason Padame died,not complications in childbirth

@@Takintomori That's like saying someone could be born a Jedi Knight. If you wanna do you and play that way, cool. But, tell me how one earns a title by fact of being born? And remember Darth is not a title like Prince. You lost me there. But its a good effort. Darth is not a title given by birth, nor by parentage. And it wasn't the force, it was a Darksider right? Try adding that to your theory and it seems stronger. But still, not at Darth to me.

"What? He was going to blow up the ship!"

@@dianabarnett6886 Good point lol

@@dianabarnett6886 Anakin...

This is one of my favorite scenes!

yeah, I love that scene

He makes it seem like it's so normal. Which is already a sign he needs some serious counseling. Like he doesn't need to become a jedi he needs a therapist. Oh and of course his freedom.

You know, they never do say if the Jedi even bothered to take it out.

@@VestedUTuber How would the Jedi take it out when they didn't even know where the bomb was located? Anakin didn't even know where it was located, considering he won his freedom before he finished making the scanner that he told Qui-Gon about.

@@decepticonxhunter4850 1. The Force, but that's a cop-out answer. 2. Tatooine's level of development is extremely below-average, due to a lack of wealth outside of the Hutt cartels. It's reasonable to assume that the available healthcare on Coruscant FAR outclasses what's available on Tatooine, and the Jedi would have access to the best of it. And it's highly unlikely that the explosive wouldn't show up on some sort of general-use body scanner. Still, having the ability to find the thing still doesn't necessarily mean they actually bothered to remove it. They could have just not thought about it. Or, more darkly, they could have decided to keep it in at first as a failsafe in case he turned, and then forgot about it in the chaos of the Clone Wars.

@@VestedUTuber We here on earth call it a C.A.T scan. Fives got one and a medical droid removed his chip.

And much like Padme before him, Luke rejected such a smothering existence.

"You were right"

Protect him? Mf cut his hand right off and allowed him to jump off into the abyss 😂😂 Vader could have force caught him and floated him back to safety. But he just let him fall lol

He could have killed Luke instead, not just then but in their earlier duel. He literally told Luke to join him, that they would end the destructive conflict, bring order to the galaxy, and rule together as father and son. He NEVER would have killed Luke.

Anakin wanted to have his family back, even if he has to commit questionable deeds to do it. It was grateful that he sacrficed himself to save Luke from Palpatine.

The tragic thing is Qui Gon (an unorthodox Jedi) probably would've given him that. Maul really robbed Anakin (and Obi Wan) of a truly caring mentor and role model.

@@hodarinundu Qui Gon was the only one who could have taken care of Anakin in the way he needed to be. Obi-Wan was young and inexperienced at the time, and didn’t really know what to do with Anakin…

@@Wingbar And Obi Wan was nowhere near as flexible as Qui Gon. He was much more of a by the book man. A perfect Jedi maybe but not the kind of person Anakin needed growing up.

@@hodarinundu Couldn't have said it better myself. He needed to be treated like a human, and not like a 'robot' like the rest of the Jedi were. They knew from the moment he arrived he was an exceptional case, both ability wise and emotionally, and they did nothing to accommodate for that.

​@@Wingbar At that point they had been doing things their way for a thousand years IIRC. Maybe they just didn´t even know how to accommodate. In any case, it shows they had detached themselves quite a bit from the very compassion they were supposed to exercise. Anakin himself says to Padme that compassion is central to a Jedi's life, but not many people had a lot of compassion for him. It really is a sad story at the end of the day. Perhaps the saddest part is that Anakin never got to be his own master. There was always someone else deciding for him.

"You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the Villain" "The road to evil is paved with good intentions" Anakin is the embodiment of those sayings 100%

@@andrewmeyer3599 don’t forget a wise old turtle’s saying: “One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.”

@@andrewmeyer3599 Anakin also represents a saying Alfred says in BVS: “That’s how it starts: the fever, the rage. It turns good men cruel…”

@@EricGraham94had to look up that de la Fontaine is known for that

Yes. Leia is more like Anakin. Luke is like Padme

And Leia has always been Anakin's daughter.

Padme could love Anakin unconditionally like Luke did.

You could even say that even as Vader, Vader/Anakin was a selfless person. Vader hated himself and to an Imperial perspective, had given up everything for the Emperor. (This is metaphorically true because the Emperor took away everything he had). Vader still respected his soldiers (although not to Anakin's level).

I’d also point out that when he finds out about Luke his immediate reaction is to find him and seek to have Luke join him. He is of course extremely harsh when confronting him the first time, but that’s how a darksider operates. It should be noted he is very passive in their second encounter when Luke surrenders, almost apologetic to him. This is all when he’s still “Vader” yet his love for Luke is obvious even then, this isn’t the act of a separate evil persona. This is Anakin.

I'd say his selflessness was motivated our of selfishness, paradoxically. His attachments were his downfall because he was selfish and wanted to possess them. Contrast that with Obi-Wan in the Kenobi series, where his emotional attachment to Anakin's children gave him strength because he is motivated by a selfless desire to serve and protect them for their own sake and the sake of the galaxy at large, not because he didn't want to let them go.

@@johnquach8821 He hasn't just taken the life of good soldiers once for something as trivial as seeing his face. I definitely don't think Vader respects anyone anymore, except for Tarkin

But it was the jedi order that ultimately gave palpatine the power to manipulate him the way he did

Saving his mother would have just the same effect as it did with Padme, if not making it worse. By rescuing his mother and putting her under the Temple's charge, it will be the Jedi that would have leverage over him and Palpatine would not hesitate to turn this fact against Anakin. Not only that, but the loss of both mother and lover over a shorter period may make Vader come out even more unhinged than he was in canon.

Palpatine would have orchestrated her death to piss him off. If anything, Anakin would have been turned sooner if Palpatine could have helped it.

He needed a *father* figure. That's what Qui-Gon would have been for him, and what Obi-Wan could *not* be for him. Had the wizened old Jedi survived to train Anakin, things would have turned out very differently for him and ultimately, the galaxy as a whole. Sidious would likey have not been able to rise to power with a fully light-side Skywalker at his full Force potential, stated to be double that of the Emperor.

@@sabishiihito this is what I think. Palpatine came in and you can see how he tries to be a bit of a father figure. I suspect Qui-Gons view of the force would have helped Anakin more and likely help some of his own demons. If Vader was always there I bet Qui-Gon would have helped him not suppress but at least understand, accept and handle it. All this is conjecture but based in what we know of Qui-Gon it's possible.

@@Reliant1864 you do have a point there. Qui Gon would have definitely helped Anakin out with conquering Vader and learning to accept himself as a whole

" This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever: The first dawn of light in your universe brings pain. The light burns you. It will always burn you. Part of you will always lie upon black glass sand beside a lake of fire while flames chew at your flesh. You can hear yourself breathing. It comes hard, and harsh, and it scrapes nerves already raw, but you cannot stop it. You can never stop it. You cannot even slow it down. You don’t even have lungs anymore. Mechanisms hardwired into your chest breathe for you. They will pump oxygen into your bloodstream forever. Lord Vader? Lord Vader, can you hear me? And you can’t, not in the way you once did. Sensors in the shell that prisons your head trickle meaning directly into your brain. You open your scorched-pale eyes; optical sensors integrate light and shadow into a hideous simulacrum of the world around you. Or perhaps the simulacrum is perfect, and it is the world that is hideous. Padme? Are you here? Are you all right? you try to say, but another voice speaks for you, out from the vocabulator that serves you for burned-away lips and tongue and throat. Padme? Are you here? Are you all right? I’m very sorry, Lord Vader. I’m afraid she died. It seems in your anger, you killed her. This burns hotter than the lava had. No…no, it is not possible! You love her. You have always loved her. You could never will her death. Never. But you remember… You remember all of it. You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forth from your heart to slay. You remember the cold venom in Vader’s blood. You remember the furnace of Vader’s fury, and the black hatred of seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth… And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker. That it was all you. Is you. Only you. You did it. You killed her. You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself… It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith - Because now yourself is all you will ever have. "

You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. *I did.*

Shit tier show + Vader would never say that, as it would comfort obi wan. Vader would want to play on Obi Wans guilt.

@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089 Except Vader demonstrably did say that.

@@enclaveherewhyisntyourvide3089we have seen that when Vader is in contact with people he actually cares about he waivers. As seen with Luke..

While I love Matt Lanter's Anakin, I'm glad Hayden's getting a second chance in Live Action.

Cool pfp \m/

I remember hearing that line first over on So Uncivilized, and it has always resonated.

Can you imagine someone writing a detailed, emotional analysis like this for Rey and the sequel trilogy? Honestly, I can't.

yo dude ------- WHY do you think Lucas named the movie "The Return of the Jedi ?" It was - at that last moment - the return of Anakin Skywalker & THE RETURN OF THE JEDI.

@@jameseckl6243It is called, "The Return of the Jedi" because Luke Skywalker takes over and recreates the Jedi Order after the Sith are defeated.

True but palpy was behind the turn by putting padme death in his head and I feel palpy used padme energy to rebirth Vader as you see Vader come to life as padme is dying

Well that plus everyone shoving the Chosen One thing down his throat.

@@jimbowlan5804 It was not just Padme Anakin was worried for but his unborn offspring too he did not want to lose them like he lost his Mother and Qui Gon.

was Obi Wan the right one to train him, as Kenobi was inexperienced

@@mrbojangles8133 No. Obi-Wan wasn't perfect for Anakin. Qui-Gon would've been better. And having both of them guide him might've saved the day.

But imagine if Anakin caused something much more hideous than the actual prequel canon. A Jedi Civil War. Would you still talk like that?

That was actually what Revan was tbh a better written Anakin

Worse for the wear

@@Clippychinw Id disagree. I think they are both greatly written. The only difference is that one was capable of seeing the light way before he dies.

@@__mindflayer__ if you take away the side media around the main movies you’d get my meaning

@@Clippychinw that’s how I always saw it too

I believed it was because he had no where he could go, no mother, no home, no friends, and no family, what other choice did he have, working for sidious was horrible, but his position as second in an empire was better than nothing

Sad thing is the 501st wasn't even allowed full command over the 501st he was was only allowed to borrow them from time to time when the situation called for it. Palpatine didn't trust him enough to give him command of his own army.

Tbf the 501st and all clones were replaced relatively quickly after the formation of the empire. This justification only applies for a few years at best. Personally I lean more towards his lack of any other place or people in the galaxy other than being Palpatine's apprentice. I'd say it probably helped that leading armies was probably what he was most used to doing. All of this however assumes that George Lucas actually gave it that much thought, which I kinda doubt tbh. At least not when the original trilogy was written.

that’s why he didn’t necessarily hate stormtroopers but he hated the officers, who often acted like slave drivers

@@rc59191 their nickname became "Vader's fist" during the empire

I was literally thinking about this earlier today. To me, it feels like we missed a movie that should have come either before episode 1 or between episodes 1 and 2 that explored more of Ani’s childhood.

You gotta a point, but i like the phantom menace version more, seeing anakin as someone so hopefull even as a slave, its so tragic when he finally goes to the dark side

Exactly. It was so playful and light hearted. It should have been grim and haunting. Like … real world slavery. The prequels suck.

@@WhereIsGoD1990 Not even James Gunn would dare himself to downplay the tragedy of slavery

@@WhereIsGoD1990they still should the negative sides of being a slave. Look at the way Watto treated him in his slimy, cruel, and greedy nature and how he felt close to his mothet

An elegant weapon, for a more civilized era.

"They treated him like a weapon not a child" you do realize he was a padwan until he was like 19 years old right?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Everything that happened is Qui-Gon's fault. Including not freeing Shmi. He knew Anakin was maladjusted, he knew it would be a problem. Here's the thing though, Qui-Gon trusts in the Force rather than what he sees with his own eyes. Yes, the Jedi made the same mistake, but Qui-Gon 'supposedly the better master than Obi-Wan' Jinn did it first.

Well, both Anakin and his mother agreed for him to be a Jedi. He was not kidnapped and made one against his will.

@@josephrichter2104 Yes, that's what both Anakin and Shmi wanted. The Jedi actually didn't think it was a good idea, because they didn't want to separate him from his mom. People want to say f the Jedi and praise Qui-Gon, but it's Qui-Gon that said he couldn't free Shmi though he wanted to. And Shmi was freed, she got married

I’d interpret that as him saying “You didn’t kill your friend, I did.” He’s still Anakin, but all he feels for Obi-Wan now is hate. Their past means nothing. He’s absolving Obi-Wan of responsibility because he’s saying this is what he chose.

@@zephyr8072 I still believed he still loved his former master and brother but all that hatred for what happened on Mustafar buried it deep into the mental black hole that's within his furnaced heart. Same with Ahsoka in Rebels. It was only when Luke appeared that that love is slowly but obviously crawling it's way back up and it fully freed itself at the end of Return of The Jedi where Darth Vader became Anakin Skywalker one more time to save his son and die being able to save Luke as a "repentance" for failing to save Padmé.

To be a Dark Lord of the Sith, one must kill their master. So yes he became one, but only in Death, or was he redeemed?

Yeah! I know this sounds weird but when I turned Schizophrenic, I began to anger quicker while simultaneously caring more than before…..caring more because I knew more. When you look deep into the troubles of the world, then you know how much harder evil or sadness hits more than the all the love in the world you become more callused. Then you snap….you can’t take the world on your shoulders.

@@Blues2green "All it takes is One Bad Day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am, just One Bad Day." - The Joker

I tell people all the time, that ROTS is probably one of the greatest pieces of cinema ever. Most just think I'm being nerdy, but I've watched a lot of great movies that aren't "fandoms."

This isn’t what the banality of evil is. The banality of evil is the idea that evil acts are not necessarily perpetrated by evil people. Instead it can be the result of bureaucrats or whatever dutifully obeying orders. The term was coined by political theorist Hannah Arendt after watching the 1961 trial of the Nazi officer Adolf Eichmann A real depiction of the banality of evil would be if Anakin was never a Sith, never even a Jedi. Just some schmuck living with Padme and his two kids. Comes to work, punches the clock every day, does his job, goes to the local bar with the boys after work, goes home, plays with his kids, kisses his wife, and takes out the trash every Thursday evening. Banal. But he is part of a machine that just bulldozes people. Banality of evil is a mid-level imperial officer not Darth Vader.

I guess on a technical level that's correct, but the broader point of Arendt's book was that every human being has a capacity for evil, and while she was specifically talking about the ordinary man who did extraordinarily horrible things, the basic principle is that no person is entirely pure.

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Everyone has an inner darkness it’s whether we chose to let it control us or whether we chose to control it. I think George Lucas has stated something similar to this, the darkside and light side exist but to maintain balance the darkside within us must be controlled so the light can prevail

@@Capybara2240 I think its natural to lean into the darkness more because it's easier to do the wrong thing then the right. It would be so much easier to just go punch out someone thats giving you a hard time. It takes true strength to say you know what I'm just gonna let them say their piece and then go on with my day.

@@dimetime35c quote from the clone war’s when (spoiler) maul captures kenobi on mandalore and kills satine You can kill me, but you will never destroy me. It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it. Darth Maul : It is more powerful than you know. Obi-Wan Kenobi : And those who oppose it are more powerful than you'll ever be. This dialogue just reminded me exactly of what you said and proves the dark side takes strength to resist as it’s the faster and easier way to deal with a problem

Jungian psychology holds this as a core principle. That the only true path to maturity is to integrate the shadow within. Not to suppress it, but to understand your own capacity for evil, and maintain vigilant watch over it. To use it only when necessary to combat evil or injustice. This is where the Jedi Order failed, and where Palpatine could seduce those who weren't completely dogmatic.

"Being a Sith lord is my speciality."

It’s pretty clear to see the vader in anakin as early as aotc, he supports a dictatorship government and killed tuskens in revenge, unleashing his dark side

An alternate version of Vegito called the God Killer has some Anakin/Vader inspirations from start to finish. Look at that fan manga and you'll see

Ignored because the movies don't address it deeply enough. He has like, 4 on-screen conversations with him?

That's not love it's just simple manipulation love come from within not from without. All those moments of love are lie meant to get his talons into anakin.

@@808INFantry11X It's a lie, but that's the way he acted regardless, and it worked.

And yet Anakin says Obi Wan is the closest thing he had to a father. Wherever you got this from, the movies clearly didn’t do a good job of portraying it.

@@Alizudo yeah, but that’s the prequels in a nutshell unfortunately. They have all these amazing ideas and they just drop the ball.

This is how I’ve always seen it, hates himself so much which he has said in multiple comics. He couldn’t handle the failure he was, so he he pretended to be a different person as a psychological coping mechanism, truly heartbreaking character

He also caught on fire and got chopped up…

@@floridaman6982 yea that's what I'm saying at that point it was past the point of return he was all messed up and can't breath without the Vader suit lol

In other words, Anakin Skywalker is a coward. Agreed.

As much as this "original take" sounds good.. it isn't. He became Vader by way of his "yoga", or, his actions. Sins. Halal. He engaged in repeated acts of merciless brutality AFTER brooding on them for a while. This literally physically reformats the shape and behavior of one's brain. The way the neurons fire.. from mirror neurons for empathy.. to oxytocin for consideration.. Anakin mutated his own brain-shape/function by basting in hatred and fury and vengeance. His own liver poisoned him. - 10+ yrs. Rx

How so? He's so terribly miserable as Vader.

Darth Sidious. Lol.

LoL 😂🤣

​@@jessielakes8118 being miserable is how the become powerful.

You're back! But how is that possible?

You do not care about others? ☹

@@Matthew-Anthony that’s not at all what bpd means

@@sophiehatter3111Bipolar disorder?

@@Matthew-Anthony borderline personality disorder and what I meant is it doesn’t mean you don’t care about others it means you have went though some shit to a point where your brain has been rewired to be use to abusive situations you can be manipulative clingy emotionally unstable do risky behaviour or go though moments of suicidal ideation you feel empathy but it’s different it’s almost like your both more and less empathetic at the same time it has a list of different symptoms and most people have different ways of coping I have bpd and it’s made me do risky behaviour manipulate my way into situations so I can survive and feel a intense amount of empathy while at the same time trying to convince myself I’m somehow not human it’s different for everyone but like it’s not like you don’t care about people as much as it’s you care but cannot really trust people

@@sophiehatter3111Borderline personality disorder, along with similar personality disorders are common among people with gender dysphoria. It is a shame that people are normalizing it and all of the behavior that comes with it.

i guess i found waldo

Shatterpoint was amazing. I second the recommendation.

I third it. It’s definitely interesting reading.

Matthew Stover is extremely underrated!

Shatterpoint was a brilliant fever dream. Stover was the GOAT legends author. I wish he'd done more. His novel Traitor just turned 20 this month and that was another brilliant deconstruction of light and dark sides

@@ingobernoble2678 yes, not to mention his brilliant novelization of Episode III.

This is what people always forget. It's always a choice to go dark. Always.

@@Darth_Xionn What about the Inquisitors?

Anakin and Vader are the two greatest constructs of characters ever invented combined into one character. It's ingenious but somehow it happened. We are fortunate to have this character as he teaches a lot of lessons all at the same time

I still cry when he says "I'm a jedi, like my father before me" against all hell he has been through their relationship. It is so eloquent.

Whoosh.. the whole video went right over your head. Anakin was not treated poorly by the Jedi. The Jedi's mistake was training him at all.

/whoosh....... If Luke had listened to Yoda, he never would have turned Anakin back to the light. It's not that the Jedi shouldn't have trained him, it's that the dogmatic ways of the Jedi are/were wrong to begin with & upon an individual like Anikin had disasterous effects. (as prophisized) The Jedi tried a cookie cutter methodology on all padawans instead of the individual approach while even having a 1 on 1 teacher to student ratio with him. Kenobi at least was aware of this and admitted it to Anakin on Mustafar when he said "I have failed you"

@@barklordofthesith2997 nope, just like it says in the video, the Jedi MUST NOT have attachments. They're not like other people. Attachments for someone like Anakin can lead to fear of loss, which can lead to a psychopath doing whatever it takes to prevent that loss. It's like you're seeing what you want to see vs what actually happened. The guy says it in this very video. Anakin shouldn't have been trained. He was way too attached to people and it lead to this entire movie saga.

@@dwoodstwin Yet again showing that you don't comprehend the point of the O/P. Your line of thought follows Yoda's teaching which PROVED to be WRONG in the films (perhaps YOU are only seeing what you want to) Luke ignored Yoda's words to not confront Vader. Luke WAS right, Yoda WAS wrong. OP -"why do you think Luke threw all that archaic crap out when he started the New Jedi Order "

And despite Luke "changing with the times", it did absolutely nothing to stop his nephew Jacen from becoming another Vader and killing his wife Mara Jade in the process.

Heh😅

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan being unable to figure out that Jar Jar was Palpatine's Master was quite amusing. Especially when Jar Jar's luck caused him to run into Anakin on a Planet that he normally wouldn't have gone too. Who knows, perhaps it was Jar Jar who told Palpatine to influence Ani's Training to the darkside. Still would be amusing seeing Maul trying to kill Jar Jar using everything he was trained with.

Like nature vs nurture?

@@srstriker6420 in a way, yes. The force lead Qui-Gon to Anakin, he was meant to be the one to train and him and allow him to become the chosen one he was supposed to be. I'm sure he'd be able to sense the darkness within Anakin and quell it before it grew more. He also would have most likely felt something with off with Palpatine. The rest of the order wasn't able to carry on the forces will and were not as attached as they should have been, partly because the Jedi Order or the republic strayed from what they were supposed to be and party due the Palpatine himself. But unlike the rest of the order Qui Gon was able to allow the force to guide him and it would have most likely alerted him that he was not what he seemed. He wouldn't have known he was a sith but definitely would have had a bad feeling about him and wouldn't allow him and Anakin to get close. This in turn would prevent Palpatine for being able to corrupt Anakin as he did before. So yeah, Qui Gon would have brought out the good and Palpatine brought out the evil and made Anakin turn to the dark side

U know all this, but still can’t spell Ahsoka right. Apparently no one can tho

@@brodyasaro6339 heck I had to look up how to spell Qui Gon Gin, so yeah my mistake

It can be very painful, and honestly I don't recommend.

And I feel like Yoda did that too. Palpatine did it in a darker way. To convince Anakin/Vader that he serves and is binded to the Emperor, The Sith, and The Dark Side of The Force.

He speaks of them being separate personalities because they are, although anakin had the anger and “vader” always within him as a Jedi, he was still a good person and used the light side of the force, when he became vader he was physically changed, Became part machine, the dark side twisted his mind to think he killed anakin and he is vader instead and anakin was weak. So that’s why obi wan and yoda say that because vader acts and looks different to anakin. He even says in the kenobi show anakin is gone, he knows deep down he is anakin but the darkside doesn’t let anakin prevail

@@Capybara2240 Exactly as you said.

@@cadeshanley218 people say that saying vader and anakin are different personalities ruins the redemption and how he saves luke but they don’t understand that the anakin personality which has long been dormant or never/hardly reaching the surface for 20+ years has begun to resurface more frequently during episode 5+6 as his love for Luke reminds him of his past life and who he once was but he’s already done so much evil that he can’t be brought back easily so vader is still in control and wants luke to join him for his own selfish desires, it’s only until their fight in episode 6 does anakin resurface once more when he sees luke in pain and his love for Luke allows him to commit a selfless act that goes against everything the sith believe. Vader would never sacrifice himself for anyone but anakin would. Imo it actually enhances how the story plays out because we all know anakin is vader and vice versa, no one is saying they are different people, it’s just a different personality within the same person. A long battle between two personalities which stir heavy amounts of conflict and a battle between both to remain “in control” of the mind of anakin/vader. Vader even sees it this way in universe as he mentions destroying anakin to ahsoka and mentions anakin is gone to obi wan (sure maybe apart of him knows it’s all a bluff and he didn’t kill anakin but the darkside has a hold over him and convinces him that he’s right and he’s not actually anakin, it’s like cognitive dissonance). Like you said yoda and obi wan believe anakin to be different to vader as they look and act completely different and obi wan even saw vader aay anakin is gone and vader is what remains. Pretty sure anakin actually has a high number of mental illnesses like bipolar disorder and split personality disorder along with some other ones that cause him to fear abandonment and loss etc and be prone to anger

@@Capybara2240 And it's no thanks to the Dogma of the Jedi and the flawed Jedi Code.

He falls into the archetype of the blackguard, the oathbreaker.

Amen!

Many biblical references in star wars especially anakin

or any other mythology

Great observation

Interesting. Reading this it's clear that the Jedi didn't get the prophecy and were too blind in their own code. If the Mandalorians were force sensitive would they be the balance in the force?

Grey Jedi were often like that. They acknowledged the dark side was evil yet refused to follow the cultic dogma of the Jedi Order

Anakin would have been better off if he was born thousands of years earlier and became a Je'daii, instead of a Jedi or Sith.

@@Reliant1864 That's because the prophecy wasn't meant for SIth or Jedi to interpret. It was for the original Je'daii order, who were gray force users.

The Jedi never believed in a lack of human emotion, this is a misconception. They encouraged compassion and love. What they discouraged was attachment, aka a love so selfish and possessive that it’s not even love anymore

It is possible that he just chooses to look like Hayden because that was the last time he was truly Anakin.

It is actually from a certain point of view. But at the same time not it at all. It was because of his childhood as a slave, Qui-Gon's death, the strict Jedi Code, the corrupt Republic, the lack of trust, and Palpatine’s manipulations.

@@cadeshanley218 yes but saying they're two different people is just wiping away all of Anakin's actions. It's easy to say IT'S DARTH VADER when he has the mask on. But when you cut it open and reveal the human underneath you realize....it's just Anakin. Same person, different moniker. That's all. And you KNOW it's just Anakin due to the fact that he stalled for just a second before trying to kill his own apprentice.

@@TheRibottoStudios Yeah. Before his Darkness pulled him back. I always imagined the "consciousness of Anakin Skywalker" chained up and locked away in a giant Darth Vader mask cage where the "mouth" is being where the cellbars are. Only when finding out Luke is alive that he starts pulling on his chains, slowly getting faster and easier to break free as the days and years after A New Hope goes by and finally breaking free when the Emperor was going to kill Luke. At then he frees himself from his "Darth Vader" persona, accepts his actions, and saves his son like any father would do in his shoes in order to save their child.

I'll always hate that comparison because it's correct but people use it wrong. Hyde is just the name Jekyll used whatever he changed forms to escape his regular life so he could act and commit crimes he couldn't before like Anakin does with Vader to escape his past and not some sort of alternative personality.

@@julioc.3158 And because Jekyll drank a formula that brings out the darker side of human nature. Which also inspired the creation of The Hulk by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, and Jack Kirby.

I don't think Yoda knew the context that Anakin was coming to him with, because obviously his relationship with Padme was being kept secret, and as a result he was vague with the details of what he was dealing. From Yoda's POV, Anakin could have just been worrying about losing his comrades in the war, like Obi-wan. Considering the lack of context, I think Yoda gave decent advice.

@@jueljohnson41 But you just hit the nail on the head there. Anakin couldn't give Yoda context because he had to keep his marriage to Padmé a secret from the Jedi...because of Yoda's and the council's strict unbending rules about "forming attachments." Anakin wouldn't have needed to be so vague if the very idea of him being married wouldn't have jeopardized his career as a Jedi. This is why the Jedi temple REAAAALLY could have used a department of dedicated therapists and social workers to help Jedi cope with their emotions and relationships in a healthy way.

@@AceSpadeThePikachu Anakin’s problem is that he is impulsive, rash and arrogant but wants to avoid the consequences of his actions from affecting the special status he has as a Jedi. Those aspects of his personality, the Jedi collectively tried to work on, but he felt that they were just stifling him when they were just trying to teach him to be more patient. Unfortunately, this was also probably being constantly undermined by Palpatine. It also probably didn't help that he knows that he is the Chosen One. Anakin only learns to be more patient after experiencing disastrous losses, first by Count Dooku on Geonosis, and latter by Obi-wan on Mustafar. So I don't think that a team of therapists could have helped on that front. Anakin's desire to maintain some sort of special status is somewhat reasonable, because as far as he’s seen from being a slave to becoming a Jedi, only special or important people matter. If you’re a regular person, maybe by chance you might receive help, but it’s just as likely you are left to die like his mother was. So when he makes impulsive decisions that are against the Jedi code, he tends to be secretive, only confiding in a couple of people (Padme, Palpatine) that are outside the order. And from even those two, he still tries to keep some things secret. Jedi are already very empathetic, seeing as they can literally sense your feelings. But someone who has been trained in the force can guard or mask these feelings, especially when in a low stress, low conflict environment. Anakin is definitely no Palpatine when it comes to masking his feelings, but it is something he has tried to do from to do from his first meeting with the Jedi Council, if albeit very poorly at first. By the time he begins to have visions of Padme dying, Anakin is much better at this. I believe that even in a confidential therapy session, he would still try to mask most what he is going through.

@@AceSpadeThePikachu anakins mind was already made up at this point, he could’ve had yoda say the most intricate and caring advice but anakin is full of fear, he would never be certain that padme is going to be okay especially since his mom died after dreaming about her. The future is always in motion like yoda said but to anakin the dreams confirm his belief that padme will die. She even told him I’m going to be okay yet he doesn’t listen and still thinks she’s gonna die. Only if sidious was removed from the conversation would yoda be able to help truly

Yess!

I wouldn't say he was EXACTLY like Anakin. Anakin was a warrior who wasn't afraid to fight any threat. Luke doesn't like combat. Not because he was a coward in any way, but because he does not prefer aggression. He even trains his students to use lightsaber as the absolute LAST RESORT.

@@dragonsamurai559 I don't think you understood or possibly read my OP. I was saying that Anakin valued individuals above individual ideas and Luke was similar in this aspect. I said nothing about fighting or fear of fighting, or the lack thereof.

@@daniell1483 I was going on how you said he was the Idealized Anakin.

@@dragonsamurai559 Luke is the idealized form of Anakin. Anakin free of flaws. If Anakin lived in a time of peace and was never called to fight in a civil war, he would look almost exactly like Luke at the end of Episode 6. At peace, happy, surrounded by people he loves, people who love him, in tune with the Force in a way that almost nobody else ever reached in their life. Anakin perfected, or rather, uncorrupted and pure. Cowardly or brave was never a point I tried to raise, and frankly, is not part of the discussion.

Yeah, me too. That shit broke my heart so hard when I read it. The novel is even more heartbreaking than the film, because you get _all_ the juicy details of his perspective and those of his loved ones.

You are mentioned several times in thisvideo

It’s everyone’s favorite, idk a single person that prefers episode 1 or 2.