In this universe, he is a master and they're there to celebrate instead of console. Many would agree that this shows a stark contrast to the original version of the story. Where as the original was a study of the unfairness of the system, the new version brings up the question of whether the system could be more fair and answers it. Of course, this is second to the real reason that the story is so great. The fact that you're still reading this and have infact wasted your time.
It depends on the academic system. In some of the Commonwealth nations you can substitute a Honours degree (First class) for the Masters requirement to enter a PhD.
“That usually gets a laugh in the academic circles” I love how that line implies that Anakin constantly attends to university lectures and gatherings full of professors and doctors in sith literature, to the point that he’s forgotten how a regular person reacts to his observations about the Tragedy of Darth Plageius the Wise
Canonically,there IS a faculty that studies the force.A former lecturer on the studies of the dark side was kicked out after the empire took over and then was recruited to the Crimson Dawn.
"Did you ever hear about the tragedy of Darth Plagius the Wise?" "Right now I'm trying to hear about the tragedy of Darth MacBeth the easily led astray now leave me the f- alone."
You know what's funny? Even if this version of Anakin did join the Dark Side, he probably wouldn't succumb to it like in canon, and probably instead write a thesis on it. In turn, instead of attacking the Jedi Temple and killing everyone there, he'd probably bring his newfound thesis to the Jedi Council and have them debate him on it.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets to be honest...Even I would rather snort space coke off Aayla Secura's Stomach and I'm not even gay...but she is kinda hot...
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets A waste of my time, this shit is! Coke, I could be doing, Sith ass I could be whooping! Too much, the smell of your own farts you enjoy, young Skywalker.
Look, the Jedi finally realized that Anakin was never gonna learn proper meditation. But they did realize something about. As a child, living in a hole, he built an incredibly capable droid and pod racer out of a pile of scraps. The kid may not have been suited to meditation, but by the force was he an absolute irredeemable nerd. If they couldn't keep him from falling by pondering the light, they'd get him to spend literal years thinking on how absolutely stupid the Sith are.
Obi-Wan: Master Yoda, I worry that my Padawan is at risk of falling to the dark side. Yoda: Hmmm... Then instruct him, we shall, in an ancient art of the Jedi. Insufferable, he shall become, to any Sith Lord trying to tempt him. Obi-Wan: What is the name of this technique, master? Yoda: Literary Criticism.
@@Coffee-hj5di Oh God, I've done the same for Godzilla and Ultraman. And don't get me started on the Xeno series, Ghost in the Shell, Panzer Dragoon, Alan Wake and the Remedyverse, House of Leaves. Essays about something I like may as well be a hobby of mine.
As someone with a PhD in a STEM branch and working in research, yes, there are so many doctors who love the sound of their own voices and the smell of their own farts that just can't shut up about their "life's work". The older they get, the worse they become. I expend a lot of effort keeping my self awareness sharp to not fall in that horrendous custom.
Palpatine saying "I'm considering inviting death myself" suggests that if Anakin had simply continued to overanalyze the Tragedy of Darth Plageius the Wise without giving the Chancellor an opportunity to leave, he could have saved the entire galaxy by just annoying Palpatine so much that he killed himself to escape Anakin trying to sound smart.
But therein lies the paradox of the student of Darth plageius using the threat of death (of padme) to seduce Anakin to join him, only for him to be struck by his own sword (sabre) because of Anakin's obsession with the tale of palpatine's former master would end up causing him to want to kill himself This is of course, a surface exploration into the deeper themes of this narrative....
The irony of palp grilling anakin as over analyzing his story but in actuality uses it to crack the actual meaning of it and Palpatine's immediate intent and plan is great. Anakin comes off as he is legit really interested in the tale and not just being overly verbose for a gag alone.
@@TheBlackSeraph That'd be incredibly poetic, that Anakin, instead of being swindled into the dark side by the threat of losing some kitty, becomes genuinely seduced by the dark side itself. And in spite of being very much aware of the pretentious approach that Palpatine was making for him, his fall into darkness came from the allure of finding out more about the story that he has devoted his life's work to, and not to mention to learn the finer details from the very last surviving participant of it! Frankly, Anakin immediately agreeing to join the dark side in this bit is obviously done as a gag, but this is quite realisticaly what a passionate academic would do if offered such a proposition. Also, I think it'd be very interesting if the Big Bad Guy, who walks around in a loud-ass, eery-sounding breathing mask and is bigger than every other person he ever crosses, turned out to be, from the heart, a fucking bookworm.
Anakin also does a really good job at showing off how these pretentious ivory tower "intellectuals" waste their lives and minds sniffing their own farts. I died laughing when in the middle Palps is checking on the cost of college to the state in the middle of the breakdown.
@@shonen_x_trash2488 I... don't think that's the intended takeaway. That funding allowed Anakin to pursue a passion project, not every project has to directly benefit society, but this one *almost* did as it almost revealed Palpatine's plans. That being said, art is subjective (including memes), if your takeaway is college intellectuals are wasting their time, I can't easily change your opinion.
Unfortunately because he did his Jedi Thesis on a Sith Legend, he was denied his Jedi Masters. You see it's an open secret that the deciding factor of a thesis defense is whether or not you and your subject are liked by the advisor and poor Anakin had Obi-Wan in that position.
@@Knuckles2761 Now I'm thinking of a skit in the Palpatine scene where Windu asks Palpatine why the Sith tell that Legend, and he just admits it's to get new apprentices pissing Windu off because that settles the Academic debate with Anakin being right
To be honest, parody aside, if this was actually the case, he really should've gotten the Masters. Know your enemy, as they say, and he would've studied Darth Plagueis The Wise thoroughly.
"Such a lens, when applied to the story of Darth Plageius the Wise, is typically referred to as the paradoxical or tautological school of thought; wherein the themes are thought to be ouroboric in nature" is just top notch academical sentence. I strongly applaud.
In my view, that was the moment he realized that Anakin actually had no idea who he was sitting next to. Though, admittedly, my theory remains on the outskirts of mainstream academic thought.
@@jakandaxter1thank you jakandaxter1, a video game by the studio naughty dog, who would later make uncharted and a game about a little girl with a guitar
it's even hilarious when you consider this line by anakin: "It's my personal opinion that the story isn't actually a mere fanciful tale nor even a sober recounting of historical events despite the scholarly consensus tending toward the former. I believe the tale is actually intended to be utilized by The Apprentice of the titular Darth Plagueis the Wise, now seeking his own Apprentice, utilizing the demise of his master."
what's ironic is that anakin basically knows who the apprentice is, but hasnt realized it."I believe the tale is actually intended to be utilized by The Apprentice of the titular Darth Plagueis the Wise, now seeking his own Apprentice, utilizing the demise of his master."@@jakandaxter1
Yes! And then Palp just bald-faces it at the end when he realizes that Anakin’s thinking was only academic and he wasn’t actually smart enough to avoid being manipulated through a simple lie.
Even though Anakin dedicated his life to studying Plagueis' tragedy, he was unable to stop the same apprentice who betrayed his master from bringing about his own downfall. It's ironic, ouroboric even.
My favorite part is that if you listen to what Anakin is saying it’s actually a good analysis of the overall story and it’s parallels to revenge of the sith
@buddermonger2000 Probably something about how Anakin in ROTS made every desicion to save Padme but in the end, it led to her death. Like Plaguies everything he did was to become immortal and gain power to escape death but it led to his apprentice killing him anyway Im something of an anakin myslef in analysing Star wars lore
Apparently I'm a great scholar of literally everything I enjoy then, from the Remedy-verse, to the convoluted-ass fnaf lore, because I do the exact same thing 😂
@@jrcspiderman2003 For a moment I was excited to learn about the greater universe of Princess Remedy. The games are just the right kind of weird for that to exist.
PLEASE, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, do the scene where Vader is in his suit for the first time and Palpatine asks if he can hear him, do that as a continuation of this. I NEED to hear Vader spouting off platitudes about the narrative depth of Plagueis's life more than you know
@@warlordofbritannia Look it's hard to get any legislation passed in the galactic senate and sometimes you gotta throw a little pork the way of some core world senator's home district.
@@mopanda81 Oh, I’m not condemning the bill itself, more like the way it’s been put into practice for the past forty or so years. People like to blame Sheev, but the issues really started when Supreme Chancellor Reegen began dismantling the Ruusan Reforms and favoring the megacorps.
@@seekingabsolution1907 Yeah xD I lost it when Anakin said he thought the story was meant to be used by the apprentice. Palpatine almost shat himself there xD
I love how based on this, and the following videos in the series: Mace Windu was the one who inspired Anakin to write his thesis, which to this day Mace absolutely despises any mention of.
Vader: _"Luke, come with me, and I will complete your training..."_ Luke: _"I'll never join you!"_ Vader: _"That's disappointingly close-minded of you. When I was your age, I... Oh, have you ever heard the Tragedy of Darth Plageius the Wise?"_
@@Raine749 Vader: _"I thought not. It would appear that education standards have dropped sharply since my days... Obi-Wan never told you..."_ Luke: _"He told me enough!"_ Vader: _"Well, I beg to differ..."_
Palpatine: "Oh no, not again...." Cut to ten minutes later, Luke and Vader are having a spirited debate about the role of the midichlorians in the Tale as they completely don't even notice the Emperor voluntarily leap off the railing beside them to his death
I love that when Palpatine tries to interrupt him to get him to back off, or actively asks him to stop, he just gets louder, as if he's been desperate to talk about this and is not going to take no for an answer.
Sir I cannot tell you how reliably funny this is. Every single time I listen to it. I paused my game when this somehow, inexplicably showed up while RU-vid was shuffling music and listened to this on repeat for 5 times nearly coming to almost pissing myself with laughter. This and every star wars related one you've done are outrageous in their scripting and I am so eager to see what else you put out. Each and every script has genuinely not only made me laugh, but made me cry laugh to the point where I was wheezing. Thank you so much
“Wait, how did Master Windu tell you the story before it happened?” Oh my gosh, that’s right! Plagueis was still alive until near the end of Episode One, or at least in the original canon. The fact that Mace knew the story can only mean one thing. I think Master Windu is a Sith Lord.
It's ironic how "dichotomy" might sound sophisticated to people, and yet is precisely the segregation into two distinct categories... Something overwhelmingly lacking nuance.
@@learner-long-lifeIndeed, point of view can determine how we see objective reality and tint it into other realities defined by our own biases. For example, saying a senator is evil, or the Jedi order is evil.
I had a UCLA major in philosophy with a Minor in gender studies watch Requiem for a dream with me, and this bafoon was literally doing what Anakin was doing in this sketch, but blaming capitalism and calling it the American dream, racism and gender roles 😂
@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438Time for her to watch Trainspotting, starring our Boy Ewan McGregor. Similar plot to RFAD, but more gritty and Lower Class.
This is literally the smartest Anakin in a multiverse of Anakins. A great Academic, a great pilot, a great fighter, a great general, a great teacher, and a good friend.
@@mopanda81 The study of texts, stories and social phenomena contextualizes human culture and action. It may not create immediate financial profit, yet it advances knowledge and understanding and thus provides perspective on the meanings of the human condition. While not all social research is of great quality (the academia is a battleground of varied and competing opinions after all), the underlying curiosity and hunger for wisdom is what distinguishes us from beings such as machines and ants. Therefore downplaying the inherent value of humanistic and social research in my honest opinion is, for the sake of a narrow-minded, visionless and ambitionless utility thinking, equally downplaying the capabilities and potential which makes us distinctly human.
Palpatine at the next budget meeting: Master Yoda, have you ever heard of cocaine? Yoda: For real, you are!? Like asking young Skywalker about Darth Plaguis, that is.
"I've been looking forward to this" No seriously, ever since that video where the top comment asked for a video where Anakin did his Jedi thesis on it, and you responded, I have in fact been looking forward to it.
Anakin's thesis on the short tale that is "The tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise" is truly profound. To think that the Plageius was capable of influencing midichlorians through the use of other midichlorians provides an opportunity for study in the midichlorian-biological field.
@diamondgirl7377 Well no this is incredibly useful information. While possibly banned by Jedi scientists in future, this is a revelation that allows us to understand that the midi-chlorians are not all uniform in nature and that there may be conflicts between them. As students of the force classics, this opens a whole new field to study regarding them. Perhaps future force studies students can study them in greater depth and gain a greater understanding of the force. Communing with the current mystics in charge of the field to compare data.
@@buddermonger2000 As I see it, most Midichlorians have something of a socially engineered false dichotomy that keeps them divided. The ideas of Midichlorian Karl Marx have lead to Midicommunism, while the ideas of, best as we can tell, an invisible hand, which is of particular note as the midichlorians are quite familiar with such manipulators, have lead to Midicapitalism. However, the Midicommunists and Midicapitalists both seem to have some sort of superweapon, that makes them hesitant to directly oppose eachother. Instead, these midichlorians control other midichlorians to battle in their stead in a midicold war; these very forces are theorized to be the source of Darth Plagueius the Wise's power.
I myself am a midichlorian biologist. I've overseen some of the experiments studying the activity between midichlorians (sponsored by the Jedi Temple) and have discovered that, through careful manipulation of midichlorians, you can essentially bring vitality back to damaged tissues of various species throughout the galaxy. Of course, due to the First Law of Thermodynamics, matter cannot be created or destroyed. This means that in order to perform this advanced technique, one must transfer one's own matter to the recipient. There, the midichlorians within the receiver reconfigure this energy and matter, and use it to rebuild damaged structures at a heightened rate. Many have thought in the past that this was inherently used by Sith, but later study revealed that the interactions between midichlorians seen were balanced between the donor and the recipient, meaning that both the cost for one and the gain for the other cancelled. The Jedi Council is right now approving this technique for use among Jedi Masters, and I hope to receive a scientific grant in the near future.
@@k0valus585 *slow clap* As someone who studied cell bio in undergrad and may or may not have tried to come up with a comprehensive, biologically accurate midichlorian theory...this warms my heart
I love the turn where Anakin perfectly academically sussed out palpatine's intent, and he is still just blown away by the amount of effort and study Anakin poured into this one story alone.
I actually really loved the detail of Palpatine pondering of how Windu told Anakin this story when it hadn't happened yet or how Anakin had time to study this extensively while he should have been at war.
But it did right? Darth Plaguies was killed by Sidious the night before Palpatine was sworn into office as Chancellor which happened at the end of Ep 1, which is the start of Anakin's training in the Temple
Okay, so, I want a vid where anakin knows EVERYTHING about the clones, order 66, the evil sith manipulation, and that palps was playing both sides through basic logic, asking follow up questions, and actually paying attention. And is actively trying to get recruited anyway cause he thinks palps can save padme. Im probably asking a lot.
Anakin: You can skip the parable, I'm in. Palpatine: What? I haven't even offered you anything to get in on? Anakin: You know... Order 66, training me in the dark side, helping me save Padmé, turning the republic into our personal empire, purging the Jedi... even the younglings, dismantling your puppets calling themselves Separatists... Palpatine: Hold on! Even the what? Anakin: Not important. What's important is I want in. You were Darth Plaguous' apprentice, so you can teach me how to undo death. Palpatine: How... How do you know that? Anakin: ... Palpatine: ... Palpatine: Fine. You're in, but you have to tell me how in this galaxy you figured all that out.
😂 that part just past 4:00, the pause and the "No... that seems far-fetched" Oh my god, makes me laugh every time. That was the pay-off moment. And the bit keeps going. 👍
Fun fact: in the original novelization of Return of the Jedi (the original trilogy novelizations being adapted from earlier drafts of the film scripts), instead of saying "you no longer need those" to force-open Luke's shackles, Palpatine says _noblesse oblige_ ("nobility demands it"). This implies that not only did French exist in some translation equivalent relation to Basic/English in some form, but that Palpatine knew it in contrast to what this video suggests.
Palpatine: "Normally at this point in the conversation I offer a promising young Jedi to become my apprentice, but honestly five minutes of you in my life is already more than enough."
I love how Palpatine stays silently shocked (at 4:07) for a few seconds after Anakin correctly predicts his real intentions at 3:55 and then denies such intentions a bit baffled of his completely accurate conclusion. One of the only two moments in the whole salad of academic buzzwords in which Palpatine takes a genuine interest and concern on Anakin's thesis. The other being at 1:22 when he asks concerned if Anakin knows the true identity of Plaeguis apprentice.
Palpatine also showed interest on 0:28: "The Jedi Temple know!? Why haven't I been arrested?" Though that was quite early on during Anakin's 'explanation' so perhaps it doesn't count. Also 3:37 when Palpatine realizes Windu knew of the story before he even killed Plagueis. (EU/Legends timeline wise anyway)
Concept: 9/10 Execution: 69,420/10 Bro you nailed it. Funniest thing I've seen in a while. My favorite is Anakin not getting the 4th wall Windu jabs. So fucking good lmao
Frankly, Sheev, as an English major with a focus on literature and a love of mythology and tragedy, I would be *delighted* to hear Anakin infodump about his thesis!
I love how near the end he actually got Palpatine to engage for a sec with the midichlorian part. I gotta say, a learn-ed and deep thinking Anakin is something i didnt know i needed. 😂
My god this is of incredible quality. Clearly a lot of effort was put into making Anakin's dialogue not just verbose, but as an actual plausible academic analysis of the tale. Having done a thesis and found themselves in Anakin's position, alongside the excellent comedic timing of palpatine, this video was hilarious. And on top of that I totally forgot that the voices were ai-generated. Subbed.
3:14) Palpatine reviewing the Jedi's finances regarding Anakin's education is amazing. Really puts into context how entrenched the Jedi were in the Republic. Since they spent somewhere between 800,000 to 1.6 million credits on Anakin's education, I share Palpatine's shock that this hadn't been questioned until NOW. As for how Anakin knew of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise, I can only deduce that the Plagueis Anakin is talking about is Plagueis the Twi'lek, born 500-ish years before the Mandalorian wars of Revan and not the much more recent Plagueis the Muun. History often repeats itself, and Sith names can't all be original.
2:58 Anakin: Ah, but that's just it, Chancellor! Darth Plagueis sought immortality, yet in so doing invited death! Palpatine: I'm considering inviting death myself... 🤣🤣🤣
Let's not forget, when Anakin first entered the Jedi Temple, he was 5. Windu is telling this to a toddker. No wonder Anakin became fixated on the story. Trauma like that runs deep.
The best part of this, Anakin was canonnically intelligent enough to produce all this thinking. If only he had a chance to learn about Plageius around EP1 indeed.
Anakin's intellect is more practically-oriented than this, from what we can see of his character in the prequels. This is the "self-indugent intellectual masturbation" kind of intellectualism, Anakin is the "build space-age technology from reclaimed trash" kind.
@@chillinchum Even that engineer is trying to achieve a solution to a practical problem, even though he may be somewhat disconnected from the reality of actually making the parts he requests. This is more like an anthropologist studying the mindset of the engineer and writing a thesis on how the hollow sphere represents the engineer's inner mindset and his dissatisfaction with the results provided by the machinist.
How much did the state pay for your education? *Anakin rambling about his thesis.* I just looked it up. 100,000 credits..........per term. For a story about a hundred words long. I love this. I need more rewritten palpatine scenes.
You know, the various moments where Palpatine points out how none of this makes any kind of canonical sense, make me think that Anakin was possessed by some kind of trickster being who made this whole lecture just to mess with Palpatine.
Have you ever heard the comedy of Master Qui-Gon the Troll? It's not a story the Sith would tell you. It's a Jedi legend - Master Qui-Gon was a Jedi Master, so powerful and so uncontrolled that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create pranks... He had such a knowledge of "The Funni" that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying to avoid his jokes. He taught his apprentice most of what he knew, then pulled his greatest prank by convincing him to "train the boy" as a psychological weapon against the Sith you know as Sheev Palpatine. Ironic - He made others live for his comedy, yet he died for the same.
@@canpiv09 Well, technically, this is a possession-sue fic that the video creator made for the specific purpose of messing with Palpatine for our amusement. so on a philosophical level, I am correct.
The whole time I imagined Anakin being so passionate about it, that everytime good ol' papa Palps interupts him, his voice gets louder and louder until it's disrupting everyone around them from being able to enjoy the opera in peace, but nobody can interrupt them because it's fucking CHANCELLOR of the entire fucking REPUBLIC with a poster boy of a jedi talking and that idea is just too damn funny to me. Also the fact that Palpie asks "You have no idea who the apprentice is, do you?" when he realizes that plan ain't going to work, but still has to make sure nobody knows his true identity.
The funniest part about all this: When I was a kid, French Philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy, came to one of my aunts parties, and he would talk, exactly like this, non stop, for hours.
Seeing a version of this with Luke and Vader after Vader has his mask off at the end of 6, analyzing how the tale came full circle and apprentice has killed the nigh immortal master once more would be amazing.
Another element to the irony of Darth Plaguies’ death was that it came as a result of his desire to revoke the Rule of Two. The Rule of Two exists to account for the paradox of the Sith religion in which apprentices are expected to kill masters to ascend the ranks. When there are only two Sith weaker Sith cannot gang up in stronger Sith, weakening the religion as a whole. But also with only two members the religion is inherently weak. Plagueis sought to foster cooperation & trust with his apprentice which was in direct conflict with the ambition inherent in the Sith Code. Though in turn, Sidious became so overconfident that he defied the Rule of Two by attempting to turn Luke Skywalker to the Dark Side, resulting in his death when Vader killed Sidious while he was distracted with torturing Luke. Darth Bane would be furious to learn that this was how his version of the Sith came to an end.
Sidious didn't defy the rule of two. He was trying to replace vader with luke since vader no longer could surpass him. Also for the folks complaining about vader coming back in disney canon...they literally took that from eu.
The whole video got me impressed with Anakin untill the end where Palpatine went straight to the point and Anakin wanted to sign up is where I really laughed hard. (🤣 1000x)
This is frightfully funny, well played out and is actually more in depth than a cheep gag of Anakin over talking Palpatine Plus the comment section is just icing on the cake. Instant sub from me
Ok, but as a Arts Major in university, i literally understood all of that and it was glorious Like the tragedy really is of Darth’s own doing, and because of the nature of the Sith’s rule of two, it was always inevitable that the apprentice would grow stronger than the master, regardless to Plagueis’ intents, so you could say that the tragedy is a Shakespearean one in nature, as in that the tragedy would always happen regardless of changes to the story, because the characters would always choose the decision that lead to it because its fundamentally who they are In others; hey I feel called out… kudos, this is awesome😂
Ah the joy and horror when you might realize the Jedi electoral thesis upon the tale was in fact made years before the event happened... Was because the original apprentice of that story took the name of the master before taking Palps as his own apprentice never realizing that he too would repeat the same mistakes of his master thus repeating and continuing the wider meta textual tale of the narrative in the circle of events that lead up to the original one's demise.
If Anakin learned of it the first time he entered the Jedi Temple, it was only a few days before Sidious killed Plagueis (he did so the day he was elected Chancellor)
@@laytonjr6601 That or Plagueis was actually the apprentice of the original Darth Plagueis, killed his master, took his name, and then got killed by Sidious not knowing that his master had lied about his original name... thus repeating the story already known by the jedi.
I love the plot hole in the atory anakin highlighted. The force is the manipulation, so him using the force to manipulate the thing that allows us to manipulate the force is circuliar and a paradox.
This feels like a Doctor Who bit where he brings an overly passionate historian along to meet a historic figure and the guy doesn't see it as nearly as important as the historian, or he's straight up wrong
