Analog Hybrid Mixing on a Budget

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Analog Hybrid Mixing on a Budget
Some really nice sounding analog gear is affordable
are they more affordable than plugins?
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Gear used in this video:
Soundtracs Topaz recording console
Soundcraft Sapphyre recording console
Allen & Heath System 8
Tascam M-35
Yamaha RM804
Symetrix 501
Urei LA-10
ART TCS Twin Compressor
and more!
00:00 Start
00:09 Introduction
00:15 Passive Summing DIYRE SB2
00:50 Console summing
01:22 Rack of Analog gear
03:15 Mixing and summing with consoles
03:36 Allen & Heath System 8
03:50 Mackie 8 Bus A8B
04:28 Soundcraft Sapphyre
05:26 Yamaha RM804
05:58 Tascam M-35
06:56 Soundtracs Topaz
07:39 Analog Mixing thoughts
08:30 recording consoles versus live consoles
09:30 Summary and thank you!
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00:00 Start
00:09 Introduction
01:20 Setup
02:14 Rock mix example
04:34 Electro bass chill mix example
07:01 Dark chill drum loops, bass, and guitar
09:09 Conclusions, summary and thank you!
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@EqDior 4 дня назад

Wow loving this vid! So many try to get the best of the best $3k to $5k hardware units a piece when youve found and got quality gear all for under $2000

@TwinCreekAudio 3 дня назад

Good used analog gear has never been less expensive. This gear was made to last and sound great. I doubt a lot of modern gear will last as long.

@EqDior 3 дня назад

@@TwinCreekAudio Awesome comment. Definitely subscribed. Loving the content!

@hiteho_woozy 7 дней назад

What a terrific video. Thank you for your attention to detail and examples

@TwinCreekAudio 7 дней назад

Thanks so much! I hope to make more like it as soon as I finish moving and get the studio set back up.

@ProducersVault 6 месяцев назад

I love the sound of that old Mackie Board, Sounds BITCHIN'

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

They are definitely underated. The summing amps on these were very good quality but preamps and EQ sound good too. They also appear to have held up well over time. Good reliable consoles in my opinion.

@quiquepuche6393 6 месяцев назад

I got the same conclusion you had a few years ago and started to buy analog equipment every time I saw a good opportunity. I ran into a Yamaha RM-800-24 Inline recording mixer and have a few racks full of equipment. I only do high pass filtering in the box. Everything else is hardware.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

I always liked the Yamaha RM800. They sound really good. I have actually thought about getting one of those since the 90s.

@quiquepuche6393 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio The RM800 is great. It has lots of headroom and 56 channels when mixing (24 channels with EQ, 24 monitor channels, and 4 stereo FX returns) in a mid size format. It is not modular but it has individual channel strips. It is hard to find one for sale though.

@chrispq12 6 месяцев назад

Great Job! Love Your work. Happy Holidays!

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! Happy Holidays!

@therealk-tone214 6 месяцев назад

Keep the content coming, you’re doing a great service for the community.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! I'm always looking for used gear to test and ways to use it all.

@lj5899 6 месяцев назад

Awesome stuff Grady. So much info in short time I enjoyed watching/learning several times! Have a terrific Christmas sir! Keep the content coming!

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much! Merry Christmas! I am already working on new videos as time allows. Thanks again!

@storehausholdingllc406 6 месяцев назад

Totally agree!! Thank you for everything you do!!

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! I work really hard to help out the analog community and I enjoy making videos.

@peterdurer1680 6 месяцев назад

Vielen Dank für deine tollen Videos 👍Thank you for your great videos. Best regards from Vienna

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! Good to meet you.

@HarleyBob957 6 месяцев назад

Enjoy your vid's. Thanks for sharing your insights on mixing. And as always, keep them co ING.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! I should have more videos coming over the holidays since I have extra time.

@piggycity 4 месяца назад

Well done, love your channel

@TwinCreekAudio 4 месяца назад

Thank you! I have worked really hard to make all these videos and build the channel. I wanted it to be more like a classic RU-vid channel than these that mainly cover plugins and DAWs.

@user-th9im7qe2x 6 месяцев назад

Great video & amazing mixers. Soundcraft, Yamaha, Mackie, Tascam, Allen & Heath, all beautiful toys. Looking for a Mackie 32 8 Bus right now.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! They are all really good consoles. I like my Soundcraft best but the Mackie 24 8 Bus I have sounds good for certain things. I'm planning to make more videos about that underrated console. I have always liked the Mackie analog 8 Bus.

@DJPHAROAHE 6 месяцев назад

Totally Awesome Analog & Hybrid Concepts I Agree Bro I'm Hands on As Well Happy Holidays to You and your Family 👌👌

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thanks so much and Happy Holidays! I'll be working on more videos soon too! Thanks again!

@user-lt4cy1ln9g 2 месяца назад

I've always thought it was crazy to buy all of these IO gizmos for top dollar when you can pick up an analog board sometimes with multiple onboard effects for under a couple hundred dollars. This guys right about using analog gear. I noticed a difference you can easily hear as analog records much more musically. The DAW is awesome for organizing and in some cases mastering.

@TwinCreekAudio 2 месяца назад

I find the digital audio world, especially plugins and updates to be frustrating. It seems we have to buy our gear again every few years so it will work with our Macs etc. analog gear is a much better investment and it is starting to look like the digital audio software industry is more of a scam than anything. Many plugins do the exact same thing but have different window dressing and marketing. I find i can do more with analog and it sounds better. It's also less frustrating and doesn't break my creative flow as much.

@marcelb7259 6 месяцев назад

I went from a Yamaha 602 to a Mackie 1642, to end up with a Mackie Onyx 24.4. The optimal studio will always include a console for me. My goal is to find an Amek Big 28 or a Soundcraft Ghost 32 with a nice Bantam TT Patchbay. Thank Grady for this nice presentation and cheers from Canada.

@djn2452 6 месяцев назад

I grabbed a ghost 32 recently and I can’t wait to get it up and running. Good luck on your console search.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

The Big and the Ghost are both good consoles. I owned a Ghost for awhile and also used a Big in my college days. They both have great EQ and preamps.

@RaunoPaananenAudio 6 месяцев назад

I like to mix "hybrid" setup also. I have lots of hardware (M7, PCM91, PCM 42, EL8-X, tube EQs etc.) Keep rocking!

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Awesome! I'd like to have a Lexicon reverb one day. Sounds like a great setup!

@jeetmix1986 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for the video.... Really like this video, informative.. Keep it up 👍👍❤

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you! I'll have more videos coming over the holidays.

@jeetmix1986 6 месяцев назад

Please make a video on the topic " plugins are better than cheap analog gears".... I have heard this line many times, I am confused actually... Actually my plan is to invest in some budget analog gears, but everyone makes me confused...

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@jeetmix1986 I get good results with less expensive analog gear. Some plugins do work very well but I prefer less expensive analog gear. A lot of mine was more expensive when it was new. They just aren't the famous models everyone talks about which is why the value goes down. They still work very well for me and give me a unique sound. I like plugins but the cost, updates, and digital hassles are not good. My analog gear will always do what it was designed to do without any software updates. Also, we cannot own a plugin. We can only own the right to use it until we need to pay for a new version. DAWless recording is gaining attention again but I don't think I will go that far. I like the power of the DAW and the sound of analog.

@jeetmix1986 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio Thank you again, you really make everything clear.... Thank you so much 🙏

@Imetalman2000 Месяц назад

Warzone ended up taking up all my hard drive space, so I went full analogue mixing down to tape. 😅

@TwinCreekAudio Месяц назад

Nice! Analog is good and less hassle sometimes.

@JonathanKillstring 4 месяца назад

I have no idea how you found all the stuff in your rack at such low prices, but good on you for that

@TwinCreekAudio 4 месяца назад

I've owned a lot of it for a long time and sometimes I just wait until I find what I'm looking for at a decent price. My 2 ART TCSs were like that.

@schance1666 6 месяцев назад

Very cool, your channel has grown on me, great to see your examples and plus you're a very likeable character! I'm refurb'ing a Soundcraft 600 (32ch with patchbay) for my home studio. Had any experience with those?

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much! The channel has taken a lot of work over the last 4 years. They are supposed to be very good consoles but I haven't personally used that model. I think it's similar to the 500. Having a patchbay is always useful so I'm sure it will work great for you.

@shardsrecordingstudio-matt2247 6 месяцев назад

I am too! Picked up a 600 with patch bay free from NY then learned the power supply was fried, tested the channel strips on my friend's 500 in vermont, then found one (500) super cheap in connecticut so I'm working towards one big franken-console. There's a great facebook group called analog consoles as well as an unaffiliated subgroup called soundcraft 500 & 600 mods tutorials and chat. Lots of info coming. Love this channel Grady!

@schance1666 6 месяцев назад

@@shardsrecordingstudio-matt2247 hey man, very cool! i'm about to start recapping the PS. fun fun! good luck with the FrankenCraft!!! i will look for those groups and hopefully see you over there.

@schance1666 6 месяцев назад

@shardsrecordingstudio-matt2247 Hey Matt, I found I was already a member at the Analog Consoles group! And I joined the other one you mentioned. Super cool, thanks, I'll try to find you over there.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@shardsrecordingstudio-matt2247 Thank you! I bought a rebuilt CPS550 from Creation for my Sapphyre and a rebuilt CPS450. I also have a spare 450 and 550 now after having the originals rebuilt. That's really the only issue I've ever had with a Soundcraft. They are very well built.

@soundofthegardenwatc 5 месяцев назад

I have a Ramsa wr-s4416. Im trying to send interface tracks out into line input then out back into daw on aingle audio tracks. Qhat if i use the direct out? Will it cause trouble

@TwinCreekAudio 5 месяцев назад

It might cause a feedback loop. You cannot route the direct out of a channel while returning to the same channel espefially if you have monitoring on in the DAW. You need to use separate channels for sending to the interface and returning back from the interface. That's why recording consoles have separate tape channels. Your console has only 4 separate line inputs so you'll have to use different channels for sending to interface and coming back. It's a little more complicated than that as you can still monitor what's being recorded through the console while monitoring something from the DAW on different inputs. In other words, it depends on how you want to play back tracks while recording new ones. I would probably just use the 4 line inputs for playback from the DAW when recording using the console and then repatch the audio interface outputs to line inputs on the channels when you want to mix or sum with the console. You could also use the first 8 channels for recording with the direct outs and 9-16 for mixing. Looks like a good console. I had a Ramsa but mine was earlier. WR-8816 I think. It had 8 tape inputs for an 8 track tape machine. I hope that helps.

@miltonmagik 5 месяцев назад

I find your videos really motivating for us who want to switch to analogue gear. I live in Mexico and finding inexpensive gear around here is rather difficult, so I have to settle for the gear they sell through Amazon. However I saw they are selling the Allen&Heath mixer, which I've seen featured in one of your videos. I just wonder what audio interface do you recommend to pair it up with? Thank you !

@TwinCreekAudio 5 месяцев назад

I think the best way to get a great interface with the best converters is the RME Digiface. Then you can use it with any converters that have ADAT connections. That means you can mix and match the converters as well. The Behringer ADA8200 is great for the money and if you want a bit more quality, the Ferrofish converters would give you 16 channels of IO. The Digiface supports up to 32 IO total on ADAT connections. Analog consoles of decent quality shouldn't be too hard to find. You might look for a Mackie analog 8 Bus or a Soundcraft used. Some people don't like the Mackie, but I think they sound great and are usually inexpensive and easy to find since they are common. The only new analog consoles will be very expensive but there are some great models being made now that night be available on Amazon though a reseller. Toft, Audient, or SSL. In the case of the Big Six, it has converters and USB interface built in but is quite expensive and lacks some features of a full analog console. If you can find the Zed R16, they are fantastic sounding consoles that should still work with macOS up to Monterey and Windows 10 though I'm not sure the drivers will work beyond that. You also need FireWire to use it or a Nac with thunderbolt and an adapter to FW400. They lack inserts on the subgroups but that's really the only feature the R16 lacks. I hope that helps! Greetings from Texas! I'm in East Texas and I love talking to people from all over the world. Thanks so much for your comment!

@miltonmagik 5 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio Man, thanks a lot for your quick response. Now I have some homework to do about all the gear you mention. ++ I highly appreciate it!

@miltonmagik 4 месяца назад

@@TwinCreekAudio thank you¡ I’m checking an Alexis studio 32, they say the routing is very easy, some tell wonders of the eq, but some others disagree. Could you give me your opinion about it¿ I appreciate it.

@TwinCreekAudio 4 месяца назад

@@miltonmagik I havent used the Studio 32 though I did use their older console, the 1622. It was not great in my opinion but the Studio 32 is a later model and looks much better features and specifications wise.

@miltonmagik 4 месяца назад

@@TwinCreekAudio than You! Looking forward to more vids!

@AntmanFelix 6 месяцев назад

What audio interface are you using for your hybrid setup? If you were to get a newer one right now, which would you get? Thanks!

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

That are a combination of Echo Audiofires and NOTU. I have 2 separate rigs set up. 24 IO on one and 16 on the other.

@Patrickakustisk 26 дней назад

Can i use the Soundcraft GB2 32 console for a hybrid studio, i have a RME digiface usb and 4 Behringer ADA 8200 on order, is it possible to use the cosole to send and return signals from each chanel to the ADA 8200 and use outboard gear, best regards Patrick from Sweden

@TwinCreekAudio 25 дней назад

Yes, it is definitely possible to use that console. The best way is to send the direct outs to audio interface inputs and audio interface outputs to line inputs. It is best to use separate channels for recording to the interface and others to return the signal from the interface for hybrid mixing but you can get around that by repatching between recording and mixing. The GB was designed for live sound but with 32 channels you can use at least 8 for monitoring channels while tracking up to 24 channels simultaneously. There is a lot of flexibility with a system like that, even when using a console designed for something other than recording. Make sure to check out my video. How to set up for mixing on an analog console and how to record tracks with an analog console. I will copy and paste the link below. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qEjg7h9iOqE.htmlsi=fbUITsEkVxyq_pbr ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RWmxkO2gnOs.htmlsi=-FbH6YCoVTygh52- Thanks for your question. I hope this helps!

@BusulwaGodfrey 15 дней назад

Hello sir i enjoy your video How can i get that Mackie 8 bus mixer console coz i need it

@TwinCreekAudio 15 дней назад

You can usually pick them up for between $300-$750 used. I'm not selling mine though.

@beatprocess 6 месяцев назад

gotta go back and watch analog gear video.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

I have made a lot of videos about analog gear and consoles.

@beatprocess 6 месяцев назад

i have a question. i have a the mackie SR32-4 VLZ Pro. im trying to send individual tracks to group outputs panning them L/R. seems to be not working. i think i get about 3-4 tracks going out in mono. i have to be connecting something wrong.@@TwinCreekAudio

@MG-se6nc 6 месяцев назад

Furman amplifier for Ns10m s? or use other too?

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

The NS10s are running with a Yorkville 300 watt amp. The Tannoys are powered monitors though.

@brentharmonmusicproduction 6 месяцев назад

The only bad thing about using Analog mixer is that you don't automation meaning when you move a fader on your analog mixer it won't do that in your DAW. You need something like the Behringer X-touch.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

That is true. I don't have a controller but I will sometimes put the console faders at 0 and do all my automation in the box. That seems to work OK but I'm still stuck using a mouse.

@brentharmonmusicproduction 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudioI'm sure though dealing with latency is pretty low though.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@brentharmonmusicproduction the way my interfaces work, there isn't any latency. The inputs pass the signal to the outputs when tracking like tape machines used to do. I think the same can be done with RME but it might have latency since it's a software mixer.

@hiteho_woozy 7 дней назад

Do you have an opinion about making submixes in the box and then analog summing the submixes? Is this hybrid summing significantly worse than having a big enough analog mixer to sum everything analog?

@TwinCreekAudio 7 дней назад

That method seems to work fine. I tend to submit sounds that are similar when I work that way. You'll probably see most of the same benefits of total analog summing that way or at least most people won't hear the difference. That's a perfectly good way to work hybrid though.

@hiteho_woozy 7 дней назад

@@TwinCreekAudio Thank you! I suppose in the worst case, I could also submix through the mixer and “print” the submix to a new DAW track. It just means I couldn’t tweak the submix during the main session without a lot of hassle.

@TwinCreekAudio 7 дней назад

@@hiteho_woozy that would work too but submixing in the box should work fine too. You can even submix each group of instruments types and then sum the groups on the console. Any of that will add some analog saturation to the tracks and combining similar sounds to submixes should still allow more of the original sound to come through with less digital loss.

@johnnyhotwiel5409 6 месяцев назад

My tip: try to get a good one that comes with all the cables included.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

That's always a good idea. Cabling is expensive if purchased separately.

@MusicalPaintCanvas 6 месяцев назад

If you had to choose between a Soundcraft ghost or the macki 8 . Which on iyo is the superior console? Thx

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

That's a difficult question to answer. They are both good in different ways but I'd probably choose the Ghost over the Mackie 8 Bus. For the money, I'd choose the Mackie though. I didn't like the Ghost preamps as much as some people do. They don't compete with the pres on my Soundcraft Sapphyre. The Ghost has superior EQ though.

@MusicalPaintCanvas 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio I absolutely love your channel!! I find the mackie has more options. Im looking to get interface but I don’t want to pay to much. What would be iyo the most cost effective way to get 32 coming out on my MacBook Pro m1. I’m kind of stuck between ( pre sinus , TASCAM , and Focusrite do you have any advice?? the Mackie is a 32 with a meter bridge, did they make a meter bridge on the older ones, or is it a newer one.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@MusicalPaintCanvas thank you so much! The channel has taken years of work and I'm really glad people are finding it useful and interesting. as far as interfaces go, I like the RME Digiface and you can add 32 IO with whatever converters you want for each 8 channels. Even the Behringer ADA8200 sounds pretty good for this. I also like MOTO a lot and their 16a with some additional ADAT interfaces would be a good choice as it has AVB should you ever want to go that route.

@MusicalPaintCanvas 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I’m a newbie at this stuff , but there something about a console that I’m just attracted to. the guy selling the ghost mentioned to me that 3 channels were oxidized … it doesn’t seem to be something hard to fix. What do you think? Do you have a place on line that can help reservice these console when things go wrong or when they need fixing?

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

@@MusicalPaintCanvas Creation Audio Labs in Nashville can service and even mod and upgrade the Ghost. The modules are separate underneath so it's not too difficult to remove them for service. I would definitely clean and all 1/4" connectors with something good like Deoxit Gold. Also, the headphone jack and control room level pots can be a problem with the Ghost. It's usually best to hardwire bypass the headphone jack and use an external headphone amp. My Ghost did not have this problem. I don't remember having any problems with it but it's been more than 10 years since I owned it. I have had the Sapphyre for 5 years now with no problems except the power supplies which I had rebuilt.

@brianmac8260 6 месяцев назад

This hardware, that hardware. I mention a plugin and my comment gets deleted.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

I didn't delete any comments. I like plugins and digital. My channel is just geared toward analog hardware because plugins and DAW are really saturated on RU-vid already.

@brianmac8260 6 месяцев назад

@@TwinCreekAudio Yeah, I know Grady, it's that artificial un-intelligence algorithm. I mentioned it because you were talking about cost. I picked up a new channel strip for ninetten schekels. And it's wonderful.

@TwinCreekAudio 6 месяцев назад

Maybe I should include some videos about plugins that are fair with the way they do business and sound great. Smaller plugin makers etc. That would be a decent way to add some of that content to my channel without feeling like a sell out. lol!

@user-th9im7qe2x 6 месяцев назад

I'd like you include some videos about how to connect your gear to the Mackie 8 bus. Interface, effects, compressors, eq, etc. I'm impressed with your experience and knowledge. I'd love to be your neighbor and take home studio recording classes from you.