Analogue: They have good products but the shipping and customer support is a disaster. For example, they charge you to send it by FedEx and finally they send your package via USPS, they charge wrong taxes on their products, the list goes on and on. Ahh the worst of all is that they don't do anything to improve. (Fan of the channel)
It's called advertiser/brand/product deals. They had to make for videos for their sponsors - whether it was factor-five or the company that send them the headset. They are not doing it for either you or I. It's called money, and if they did not have obligations to those companies, they would have made less videos in the last year. As they did in previous years before they got large enough to attract these opportunities. I know they both have other money making revenue sources that take their time (like a day job).
This is quite shocking, I remember when analogue was unique and cutting edge, with no competition. But it feels like now they’re completely falling apart, rather than trying to keep up with their newly developed competition if feels like they’re releasing increasingly shoddy and sub-par technology… as well as continually being massively expensive and almost impossible to acquire.
Yup. I bought this, and it will be the LAST Analogue console I buy, the Analogue Duo is VERY inaccurate. I've had better TurboGrafx-16 emulation on my damn cell phone. The sound is very inaccurate, also some CD games cause the console to power off. Analogue is a damn joke! And their fans are ridiculous. They will defend this company to death. I bought a Region & RGB modded PC-ENGINE Duo-R and it was the BEST option, oh and... $300. The SAME price as the lazy and cheaply made Analogue Duo
@@lovelorn88nick I have the Super NT and Analogue Pocket and I like them a lot. I don't use them a ton as I'm just not gaming as much outside of PC gaming and like NES/Atari 2600 but I like it. I'm a big portable fan but I use the Switch more. I did order the adapters for the Pocket to get my fix but I'm not sure if I would buy anymore consoles from them as well. Shipping is a nightmare and they just don't seem to want to fix that. I did buy Pocket off ebay where it was pricier but the shipping was free so in the end I pretty much paid for what it would cost from them directly.
Whoa, I guess I should have expected an almost 40 min video from you guys going in-depth😊. Looking forward to mine finally arriving in time for Christmas.
While it is disappointing to see all the shortcomings from the Duo (especially compared to practically all of their previous systems), I'm glad to see it still works perfectly well for playing the games, which is what matters the most. Hopefully future updates will fix the issues and give us all the features we are used to from Analogue stuff. As someone who has never owned anything from PCE and currently just has a Turbo Everdrive, an 8BD controller, and a pile of CD-Rs, it looks like the Duo is my perfect entry to the PCE scene.
@liamconverse8950 dude wtf is wrong with you chill out. Hell I have ALOT of TurboGrafx-16 games and a handful of PC-ENGINE games. The TurboGrafx-16 was my first console, why the hell do you reply to someone's comment with 'gtfo' your acting like this dude was after you. Seriously what's wrong with everyone?
Had this thing come out before the Tink 4K there would be no complaints. A $750 scaler has basically spoiled a lot of these retro channels. Never mind that the Tink costs 3 times as much as this whole system- they’ve been spoiled by a world class scaler. :)
@@liamconverse8950it is and it is not. Sharp pixels look best on fixed pixel displays if they are scaled up to the display resolution. 1080p on a 1080p screen looks great but on a.4k screen the same image needs to be 4k to look just as good. We basically buy new tvs and make out old stuff look worse, so we buy new scaler to return to the status quo.
The best review so far for the Duo. Thanks for all the work that went into this. I am awaiting my unit. Bummer about the everdrive 1 as that is what I have. On your note about CD music there is another reason for them to include it and that is CD+G. The DUO was a great way to experience CD+G and I hope they bring that back to the DUO.
Brilliant content as usual guys! Analogue has seemed to always listen and incorporate feedback into their firmware updates. Although the Duo feels a bit rushed out the door (every other console has seen several ship delays), I'm sure the functionality will improve overtime. I hope that if the feature set is improved, you'll revisit the Duo for an update.
@@blitzerblazinoah6838 the release date was pushed yes, but not after pre-orders were taken. This is the first console that they have released where they made good on the actual ship date. I'm more ok with that than them taking my money and having multiple delays months and years before actually shipping it.
@@synth505 And then there are their insane shipping costs and the fact you can't buy things in one go, meaning double or even triple shipping costs or wait with the risk that they run out of stock again, which was the last point, never having stock.
Makes me not want to buy the surely overpriced Analogue 64. No ooenfpga and bad os are a no go. Plus cheap hardware flaws like bad ejecting disc drive and the cards not sticking out as intended. Makes this whole thing feel cheap and pointless. 💯
@@nicolasrolke3538 Yeah. This review was fair, but also .. uh... awfully _kind._ Given the price, the access you'll (not) get for hacking it, and their reputation for selling out and never bothering to stock any more, I don't see any reason to care about this. OG hardware, emulator, or Mister. I think Analogue's time has passed.
I got mine on Friday. I was bummed, because my TG-16 controller had a larger din connector than the PC-Engine controller. All was not lost though. I set my Hori Rav4 arcade stick to PC mode, plugged it in and it works flawlessly. Good on Analogue for providing that option as well.
There is literally NOTHING good on Analogue with this garbage console. The emulation is VERY inaccurate to a real TurboGrafx-16. Lots of sound issues. Smh you people will eat shit and just tell yourselves it's pasta huh?
Unfortunately, the prices of TG16 games being what they are, I will probably never pick this one up. However, from a preservation standpoint it looks like a great system and I'm glad they made it.. I have a TG16 mini and an Analogue Pocket so that'll probably be my doorway to these great games. Now just waiting for another production run of the Analogue DAC to enjoy them on my CRT...As usual from you guys, a thorough review with great editing and production quality. Have a great holiday!
I got my Shipping email this morning, super pumped to get in some SHMUP time in before the holidays. Every question I had about the DUO was covered here, thanks!
Congrats Cory and Try, you really have found your groove. Producing great videos at a solid cadence is something I know you guys have been struggling with from watching your live streams, its all in your head; you guys have massive talent, looking forward to the year end vid.
Their main problem is how pretentious and nerdy they are, and how damn long their videos are, but I think they're quite high quality for those looking for that sort of detailed information.
22:08 I found a trick for operate the everdrive on the analog duo. You must first start on a real hucard game, exit the game, insert the everdrive, go to library, select the previous game and launch it, this manipulation allows you to launch the everdrive ✌️✌️✌️
What’s going on with that SD card slot? Nobody seems to be mentioning it really. Is there going to be a jailbreak that can take the place of the Turbo everdrive and using physical games including HU cards AND CD’s???
I have to imagine more of the features will get ported over to the new OS/firmware eventually, but I can see why they prioritized getting out this product now rather than delaying it even more.
The Turbografx was my childhood - when all my friends had sega and nintendo consoles - I was the one weirdo with a Turbo lol. Honestly though, it was absolutely amazing. I loved everything about it! My preorder will be here this week and I can't wait to play through these games again! As always, such an absolutely amazing video. You guys do great work and I love your channel!
I started collecting for it back in 2017... Glad I did because prices are just insane. You definitely had to be ready to drop a pretty penny on this collection.
@darinherrick9224 The only problem I ever hear about those things is that. If it isn't I high quality reproduction that it can possibly strain the laser. I do have a couple box sets from PCE works myself.
Wonder Boy in Monsterland- what a pleasure to hear a CD version of this! I love that game. Back in the day I tried to buy a JAMMA arcade board of it and the seller pulled the sale when he realised 'it's good isn't it?'. Grrr!
Then you have to deal with OLED motion blur(With it's 16ms motion persistence Vs a CRT's blur-free 1ms, the latter looks incredible by comparison), at least 10ms of OLED latency if you're lucky(Just scan @1080p) and the entire wonky 'gaming in 4:3' situation that can sky rocket input lag to nearly 30ms, depending, makes this solution feel like two big steps backwards.. I need to watch this entire video before i decide to take the plunge with these NT consoles, while pairing it with something like the new 2024 Samsung 32" QD-OLED(G8) I'm glad that we have more options and this IS a great way to preserve older consoles, but if i have to deal QD-OLED motion blur and input lag, which IS the case, than I think i may just stick with CRT and the OG Hardware until better TV technology rolls out in the future. It's going to take good QD-OLED black frame insertion with minimal latency, low flicker and low brightness loss to win me over at this point.
What a great review. Thank you for calling out the ickiness of Analogue OS on a big screen. I adore my Mega Sg and it’s personality, such a shame to see Analogue’s systems feel so much more generic.
Not gonna lie, I was initially quite disappointed at the lack of detailed adjustments allowed in the Pocket OS & subsequent hardware. I absolutely love the customization ability of previous systems & it's a shame that an advanced menu or something wasn't included in the new OS they are using to allow for more granular adjustments. Also, not having a feature to increase sprites per scanline is a real head scratcher for this system in particular. Every Analogue console has had this feature and this is probably THE system that would benefit from it the most, as many games have pretty severe sprite flicker.
Lets just say that its difficult not to watch a few of the highest quality channel reviews. But if I needed to choose one review essentially 100% of the time, it would be the MLiG reviews. I believe the first video I watched from you guys was the original starfox video from years ago. Started with the framemeister and bob from retrorgb maybe just a hair before you started making videos. Like always this video doesnt disappoint. Your point of view, editing and overall video quality is unmatched.
This is one of the best reviews for the Duo. I really want one but only have 4 games. I'm not sure yet about diving in with an everdrive or other methods. Thanks for your hard work guys!
Great video! From an audio perspective I think both MiSTer and the Duo could stand to have a little bit of a low-pass filter, at least in the recording with your video. MiSTer makes this easy because it ships with a ton of presets.
Really hoping analogue can do some magic with the OS via firmware updates. Got it for the supergrafx and cd support as I just have the japanese pc engine.
Gotta say this obsession with 4K is hilarious to me. I want 16 bit graphics...so I can upscale them to 4K!!! Are you kidding me? But wait, no!!! I want scanlines over it in glorious 4K!!! ... Uhhhh
Yeah, I agree. Even on a CRT, the pixels aren't showing up 4K sharp. Unless they're going for ultra expensive PVM sharpness. But I'm not that über obsessed with such things, compared to the enthusiasts. I'm fine with 720p or 1080p.
Awesome video as always and wow what happened to the colour of the “white” model, thanks for highlighting that. It’s a shame there isn’t at least a 1440p mode akin to the tink 5x and mister as this stage as a minimum but as you said the display filters do look nice.
I was initially interested in this to replace my Duo-R and play my collection in my crt setup. This would have been more appealing than getting my Duo-R RGB modded as I could have that corrected composite colour pallette. It would have been best of both worlds but the lack of support for the DAC atm, OS disappointments , and overall jankiness is enough to keep me away for the moment.
People who have never tried the turbografx and pc engine arent gonna have any cd or hu card games, this should have been made to be more easily compatible with the turbo everdrive.
I feel like a lot of the criticisms of this and these kinds of systems in general are just tangentially based. I am just stoked to be able to play all of my old PC Engine CD games without an Arcade card, correct controller, memory bank, etc. I have never once been bummed there isn't a spinning Turbo CD logo on a loading screen, or cared at all about an "aperture grille" or these extremely niche categories... And oh, "no save states!" Wahhhhhhhh!!!!!! 😢😢😢 99% of the people who will buy, and use one of these, I am sure agree. It's a great way to play the official old games many of us have easily on modern displays. Sometimes I feel like people just need to turn a game on, and enjoy it. And not freak out of the most miniscule of details. We grew up on composite. This system is like the luxury beach resort of easily re-experiencing old tech. Plug and play. Done.
The controller port on the side near the back of the console is the deal breaker for me as I don't want to be forced to use 8bitdo wireless controllers. Glad this exists for those that want one though.
Warning! Turbo Everdrive v2.5 does not work with the DUO right now. (Everdrive firmware from 2019 and DUO Firmware 1.1). Let’s hope for some patches soon.
The Team at Krikzz says that it’s an issue with the Analogue system so it’s gonna take a firmware update to the DUO to play the TurboEverdrive V2.5. I guess it’s time to upgrade to the EverdrivePro and ditch some CD-Rs. 🙃
Seems the elitists got a bit upset by the comment, in this episode, that FPGA is emulation. FPGA is just hardware-level emulation by programming chips directly to emulate hardware functions instead of relying on software to do it. As a fellow FPGA user, I found this out a long time ago. But sure, call it simulation instead, if it makes you feel less insecure about it.
Great to hear that CD games are in deed supported using the Turbo Everdrive Pro. Most people were saying that it would not be possible because of the CD Drive. But sounds like that is only an issue when rebooting the system using the Duos menu
Great video, as always! Your reviews are always the ones I look forward to the most for new products like this. I loved the Mega SG and Super NT and excitedly pre-ordered this console as soon as it became available. I must say I do feel slightly disappointed seeing the reviews so far. The other consoles felt like elegantly designed, premium products, where as this isn't quite coming across the same. Save states and composite palette are nice features and hopefully some of the glitches can be fixed with updates. That interface is incredibly ugly! Might've been okay on a small pocket screen, but not on my 55" TV!
Hi, given this is a thorough review, it should be worth mentioning that the save states are not working with the Analogue Duo when using a Turbo Everdrive Pro with Hucard Roms.
As much as i appreciate Analogue's efforts, I'm glad that I resisted the urge to preorder the Duo, because it really isn't something for me. I am glad to see CD support being implemented in one of their devices tho and look forward to see what they do with the 32bit era of consoles.
Can't beat the blur free motion clarity, zero latency, affordability and authenticity of a good late 90's Sony Trinitron CRT, or 2005 Sony Wega. :D Pairing an Analogue Duo with something like a 32" QD-OLED(2024 Samsung G8), imo, still won't cut it in the motion clarity and latency department. QD-OLED Black frame insertion may cut down 50% of motion blur, but BFI typically doubles or possibly triples input lag, and even then there's still 50% more motion blur than a CRT. On the flip side, with QD-OLED, You gain true blacks, amazing brightness, whiter whites, 720p-4K if that's what you want for older games, a thin panel, they weigh a lot less, they're new and readily available...But ultimately, the motion blur & Latency basically ruin it all for me. We all have our preferences though at the end of day. Still a cool modern-esque option regardless! At this point, instead, I'll be getting a PC Engine Duo-R(with a region Switch mod), and just hooking that up to my 27" Sony Trinitron CRT.
Man, I really hope they update that interface. Crazy that there's no DAC support out of the box either. I wonder if they are waiting to drop it when they add it to their Pocket dock? Either way it seems solid enough. I think I might be screwed when I get mine though because I have one of the earlier Everdrives. I don't think it's a 2.0. I guess I'll find out when I get it.
Could not agree more on your analysis on Analogue OS! It feels like a downgrade, not an upgrade. & this stuff DOES matter Coury, it does matter! It is perfectly fine for the Pocket, but on the Duo I would have ABSOLUTELY preferred something more along the lines of what they have done with previous systems. I like the style & flexibility of those menus much more than this. Again, this feels like a downgrade, not an upgrade. (You're not just "Some guy" either Coury. You are clearly an experienced, knowledgeable fan & are the sort of person Analogue should actually be listening to.)
I'd love to buy an Analogue console, I've repeatedly checked their online shop to buy a Sega Mega Drive Analogue system and a Pocket, and I would start with a Duo, but they never seem to be in bloody stock, and imo, if something isn't readily available for purchases, it may as well be considered non-existent.
@@Wobble2007 I've always said, Analogue makes the absolute best _theoretical_ consoles. It's such a crappy thing to do -- to go to all the trouble of developing these things, and then nonchalantly abandoning them -- that I've written their product line off completely. Release whatever you'd like. Don't care. This isn't "preservation," they're not contributing anything to the community. It's just a FOMO trigger, then cash out, and move on. Nobody needs that.
I was able to improve the turbo fire performance by plugging my 8bitdo controller in via USB to the back of the Duo instead of relying on wireless. I'm not sure if it matches the OG controller with passthrough, but it was enough to kill Boss 4 in Ys 2.
@22:20 I have TED v2.5 and the duo will launch it but the ED will say that NO FAT SYSTEM is found. I can pop it into the TG16 though and it works just fine.
I loved how the dog was about to make that DAC a chew toy! As a kid, I wish I had the TG-16. I had a NES and a PC (hand-me-down) so my parents didn't feel that I needed another game system. I did get a GameBoy but never the much-drooled-over SNES. I am fascinated by the Duo but at the same time, I'm not ready to shell out that kinda cash on PCE games and getting a Duo and an Everdrive seems pointless. My Analogue Pocket should be here today. I'll be seeing how well it handles PCE ROMs. I would actually love for the TG-16 to be a console on Nintendo Switch Online.
I wanna get an Analog urge Duo and start getting TurboGrafx/PC Engine titles. Because the Analogue Duo can play pretty much the whole pantheon down to the PC FX
While I respect Try’s opening rant, let’s all agree that there will be no quarter for those retro gaming Philistines who stretch a 4:3 image onto their 16:9 widescreen TV. They ARE “less smart” than me😂
Speaking of Lag, how freaking COOL would it be if someone made a set of passthru controller cables with a simple LED connected in line with them for lag testing? Aka basically just a passthru cable with an LED that lights up whenever a button press is registered. Could have such cables for almost every retro controller plug type & would just be HUGELY helpful vs having to do an LED light mod to every controller for every system you want to test! Could even do this with a lineup of extension cables but have the LED light on the Female end.
Honestly, the sound has always been my biggest bone to pick with Analogue. To the trained, experienced ear, there is a definite noticeable difference between their systems audio output & original hardware. The NT Mini may be one of the biggest offenders, and there's no way to turn the extra filtering off either. I REALLY wish their first goal was accuracy, and THEN would add options in the menu's to allow you to tune things how you want, including perhaps some system wide presets so that Kevtris or whoever is doing the audio can have a mode that sounds how they prefer. Perhaps an audio preset simply labeled "Recommended" or something. It seems sort of unfair to tune the audio of a commercial product that thousands will be using to the tastes of a single person without any option to change said tuning. Not trying to be hateful, just giving my honest opinion.
@matthewjohnson1891 For sure, there seems to be some subjective tuning by the creator which is a shame. I definitely feel the AVS is more accurate all around. I never noticed the colors being off on the Mega SG though... what about it seems off to you? I do know that the Gamma can be adjusted on both the SG and NT. Perhaps your Gamma is turned up on the Super NT?
