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Analysis and design of a DCM Flyback converter: A primer 

Sam Ben-Yaakov
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An intuitive explanation of the DCM flyback converter topology and operation including clamp design and small-signal open loop transfer function.
PLEASE NOTE CORRECTION:
Mlaid IDOUGHI • 1 day ago (edited)
Dear Mr Yaakov, I think that at 10mn, the fs frequency is missing in the peak current relationship when you are expressing the power.
Thank you for this sharing
Sam Ben-Yaakov -Reply
Hi Mlaid, You are correct! I hope others will see your comment. The initial expression for P is actually energy so to get power you need, as you indicated, to multiply it by the switching frequency. I will put your note and my answer in the RU-vid page of video. Thanks again.

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@shaileshraturi6843
@shaileshraturi6843 6 месяцев назад
Best Flyback converter explanation video on the internet till now . Thank you Professor Dr. Ben-Yaakov for creating all these Power electronics educational videos.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 месяцев назад
Wow, thanks!
@kencoffman6181
@kencoffman6181 6 лет назад
My one regret is that my college professors were not so interested in conveying such practical, easily understandable information. I think your style and depth of knowledge is wonderful, as is your willingness to share. Thank you, Dr. Ben-Yaakov.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Hi Ken. Thanks . Comments like yours keep me going.
@spraynprey1044
@spraynprey1044 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov As the self-teaching individual that I am, I would like to extend my deepest thanks to you and the willingness to share your knowledge. Individuals such as myself greatly rely on the quality of information conveyance that individuals like you provide us with through these videos. Again, I can't express how deeply grateful I am. Thank you Mr. Sam, James M.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
@@spraynprey1044 Hi James, Thank you for the warm words. Comments like yours keep me going.
@Azagro
@Azagro 6 лет назад
Truly grateful that you keep producing these videos!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Thanks.
@noahasada5141
@noahasada5141 5 лет назад
Thank you, Dr. Ben-Yaakov! This knowledge has been a critical stepping stone in the overall re-design of our EE senior project.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
😊
@LEO22116
@LEO22116 5 лет назад
Great video! Perfect teaching skills.
@maxwelljack9044
@maxwelljack9044 3 года назад
Thank you for your sharing Dr. Ben-Yaakov. 谢谢您!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Welcome!
@enricopascucci4802
@enricopascucci4802 3 года назад
Great introduction to the Flyback. I found also very useful the practical approach given to the presentation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Thanks for comment.
@NNNILabs
@NNNILabs 6 лет назад
Thank you so very much! I'm making a BCM flyback myself and this is a great help!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Great.
@idiragouni5520
@idiragouni5520 4 года назад
I am an electronician and I admit that you explain wonderfully well. The teachers I had dreaded switching power supplies. Relatively complex concepts have become simple thanks to you.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Glad to read that. Thanks.
@sadunnakipoglu9471
@sadunnakipoglu9471 Месяц назад
شكرآ جزيلا على هذا الفيديو المفيد جدآ. تحياتي لك من تركيا.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Месяц назад
Thank you very much.
@rajatsankhla9261
@rajatsankhla9261 Год назад
Enourmously information-packed videos!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Thanks
@fernandocezar3348
@fernandocezar3348 5 лет назад
Thank you very much Dr. Yaakov!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
😊
@willempje65
@willempje65 3 месяца назад
Thank you. I learned a lot. This was much better understanding then just throwing a coil and controller on a board 👍
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 месяца назад
👍😊🙏
@startend7196
@startend7196 5 лет назад
Awesome professor!I learned a lot from your video, thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Thanks
@CuriousQuant
@CuriousQuant 4 месяца назад
Thank you prof. for these lectures in English,I'm taking power converter course and my prof. suggested us to watch your lectures to get more clarity and I agree to him, these lectures definitely provide good clarity of the concepts.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 месяца назад
Thanks for note. At what university are yo studying? And may I ask, what is the name of the Professor?
@CuriousQuant
@CuriousQuant 3 месяца назад
@@sambenyaakov Thank you for replying sir, I'm final year Btech EE student at Indian institute of technology Dharwad, my Prof. name is Dr.Satish naik
@MYtimeNspace
@MYtimeNspace 5 лет назад
I totally agree with Ken Coffman!! Thank you Dr. Yaakov
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Thanks
@petegaslondon
@petegaslondon 4 года назад
I thought I knew this - but I was missing a few things - this really is great stuff !
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
👍😊
@camiloavila87
@camiloavila87 6 лет назад
Oh thanks a lot professor. I'm going to watch it
@sudhanshutelrandhe5857
@sudhanshutelrandhe5857 4 года назад
Thank you sir. this video help me in designing fly-back.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
👍
@smilyhappy4207
@smilyhappy4207 3 месяца назад
Thank You so much sir for this wonderful video
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 месяца назад
Thanks
@edwinribisi9420
@edwinribisi9420 6 лет назад
Thanks Professor Ben, I have to design an 80W isolated power supply for IGBT gate drivers. This video is very useful.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Thanks for comment?
@topphemlig1191
@topphemlig1191 6 лет назад
Great video, thank you professor
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Thanks for comment.
@amirb161
@amirb161 2 года назад
Beautiful!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 года назад
😊🙏
@beiwujin5959
@beiwujin5959 5 лет назад
Very good video , Thanks a lot .
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
😊
@sanjayagrawal6143
@sanjayagrawal6143 4 месяца назад
Very Nice Video Sir. Grateful to you for imparting such knowledge to us. Best Regards, Sanjay
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 месяца назад
Thanks for taking the time to write the note. Comments like yours keep me going.
@TSulemanW
@TSulemanW 4 года назад
Nicely explaination.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
😊
@TSulemanW
@TSulemanW 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov May GOD Bless you alway.
@payalnakosa6582
@payalnakosa6582 4 года назад
Very nice!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Thanks
@PierAisa
@PierAisa 5 лет назад
Thanks Prof. !!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Thanks
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Just looked at your channel. I do not speak the language but it looks impressive.
@psanmuk
@psanmuk 2 года назад
Thank you
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 года назад
Thanks
@saadsaad6422
@saadsaad6422 6 лет назад
very good
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Thanks.
@Greg_Chase
@Greg_Chase Год назад
When the switch is opened up in the primary circuit and the magnetic field around the primary inductor collapses, what becomes of the Back EMF spike? Obviously the large Back EMF spike will be coupled over onto the secondary inductor. However, I guess my question is, is the fact that this coupling the Back EMF spike into the secondary's coil - eliminate the need for the traditional 'snubber' circuit or 'snubber' diode across the primary inductor that is traditionally used to 'catch' and 'handle' the large Back EMF spike? Thank you kindly for an excellent explanation - this is a new circuit to me. EDIT: and then the question was answered later in your video - thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
There is no back EMF spike. The "back EMF" is the induced voltage by the magnetization, When the primary is opened the back EMF find it way to the secondary which is how the energy transferred.
@andrewandrosow4797
@andrewandrosow4797 4 месяца назад
Hello! Good explanation! I`d like to add about a self-oscillating flyback converters with two transistors (like in a cheap mobile charger). These converters very dependents on a transformer , feedback winding turn ratio, there may be over-voltages or avalanche damage - because there is not any gate driver. The stability of this type of converter is not good enough - there is a hysteresis in feedback loop. I have an experience with this type of flyback converter - I only want to share my small experience ))) .Maybe I am not right - but integrated circuits with gate drivers and protection much increase reliability of a flyback converter .
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing. Discrete analog controllers for flyback and other converters are ingenious but passe. Indeed, IC controllers are very effetive and relaiable
@abhijithprabha6377
@abhijithprabha6377 4 года назад
Hi Professor, This is really great content. Please consider creating a video on a comparison of all major derived converters. Thanks
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Look up my RU-vid channel there are videos on many other typologies
@user-vj5wd6wq1v
@user-vj5wd6wq1v 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov In solving the DC-DC converter problems how can we determine the mode of operation (continuous, discontinuous, or boundary) ?
@ankitmallick843
@ankitmallick843 6 лет назад
Thanks for uploading, please make a video on closed-loop design of buck-boost converters.Thanks.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Perhaps in the future. Thanks.
@art58wong
@art58wong 5 лет назад
Nicely explained. One suggestion is to add a working example or link to someone going through the process of applying the principles presented.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Good point. Thanks. Will try next time.
@mohamedramdane4602
@mohamedramdane4602 9 месяцев назад
Thank you Sam for the video; it was incredibly helpful. I'd like to know if the support material is available. Your work is greatly appreciated, please keep up with this valuable content. Thanks once more!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for comment. Please look up my youtu e channel for related videos
@amirb715
@amirb715 5 лет назад
could you please make video about the feedback and PWM circuitry that controls the switching in any flyback converter?
@amirb715
@amirb715 5 лет назад
A great video as always. what happens if we run the flyback converter (or even other DC-DC converters) without load? I see that all analysis are based on the fact that there is an output (load) current and load resistor appears in some of the equations like here. what happens if there is no load? after the capacitor is charged, the diode will never conduct. Will the energy stored in the core be dissipated by heating up the core? If we add the feedback and PWM circuitry, will it even start if there is no load?
@akfa_neth_hsyen9087
@akfa_neth_hsyen9087 4 года назад
Dear Mr Yaakov, I think that at 10mn, the fs frequency is missing in the peak current relationship when you are expressing the power. Thank you for this sharing
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Hi Mlaid, You are correct! I hope others will see your comment. The initial expression for P is actually energy so to get power you need, as you indicated, to multiply it by the switching frequency. I will put your note and my answer in the RU-vid page of video. Thanks again.
@rolandoaguilera3114
@rolandoaguilera3114 4 месяца назад
Very nice video. Typically DCM transformer core is smaller than CCM core!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 месяца назад
See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--SxEo_Usj0g.html , The qestion is how do you compare: same losses? same switching frequency? Both?
@SemtexEngineer
@SemtexEngineer 6 лет назад
Excellent video as usual professor! One question tho @6:50, if energy = power x time, then shouldn't we have P = (1/2)*[(Ipk)^2]*Lm*fsw ? (fsw - switching frequency) And then after algebraic manipulation we will have P = [1/(2*Lm)] * (Vin*ton)^2*fsw ? Thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Hi, Thank you for pointing out this typo. Too much work to change, I hope people will read your correction. Note that the corrected expression is given at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-laHN4Xn59lI.html
@istvanfater5257
@istvanfater5257 Год назад
Hello Ben, it's nice presentation but @9.38 there is a missed T (fclk) in P formula like this: P=Ipk*Ipk*Lm /2*Tm without T we speak energy as previosly you mentioned
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Yes, you are right but this typo has already been noticed and it is shown in the description part of video.
@TizanaMenYo
@TizanaMenYo 5 лет назад
thank for the video, I want to know why you are using the average current in the calculation of the clamp current and not the RMS value. because we always use the RMS value in our calculation 18:52
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Why rms? At steady state, there is about (save the ripple) a DC voltage on the capacitor so the current through the resistor is almost DC and equal to the average current o the leakage.
@premsuthar4285
@premsuthar4285 6 лет назад
Very nice presentation Schmuel. Are you planning a separate lecture for active clamp operation ? Also can you post lecture on phase shift converter ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Yes indeed. Thanks for comment.
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for this wonderful explanation. Query: Wouldn’t it be more efficient to utilize the back EMF of the secondary coil by dumping it into a capacitor which could then be used to drive the primary circuit? In theory you might be able to double the output of the power by using the resonant frequency, where the voltage peaks are maximized, and instead of dumping that power into a resistor, which turns it into wasted heat energy, you could use it to drive the primary coil or even dump it into a load? Just a thought…
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for the comment. Not sure I follow you.
@BrentLeVasseur
@BrentLeVasseur 8 месяцев назад
@@sambenyaakov The ring down effect (back EMF) which starts as a voltage spike is typically maximized when the coil is tuned to its resonant frequency. In stead of dumping that into a resistor, you could send it to a separate capacitor bank or something and use it to power a load or to maybe drive the primary coil. That was my thought…
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 8 месяцев назад
@@BrentLeVasseur Got it. See: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ySC-SvoQa3U.html
@timly4559
@timly4559 3 года назад
Hi Mr Yaakov, I want to have two output for my application ( eg: +-5V). So, is there any difference in procedure of calculation? thanks a lot!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
You need to take into account the two secondaries as explained in video.
@raymonda.koosha5824
@raymonda.koosha5824 2 года назад
Dear Professor Yaakov, in calculating power P in the primary, it seems you have considered ton = 1/2 T and if so, P = 2 IPK^2 Lm * fs. In other words, 2 in the denominator should go to the numerator. And P as you know is the peak power. Thanks
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 года назад
Hi, Raymond. Please clarify to which minute in the video are you referring to?
@raymonda.koosha5824
@raymonda.koosha5824 2 года назад
@@sambenyaakov This is at 4:38/25:40 on Slide # 5 Thank you so much for sharing such educational videos. Very Best Regards
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 2 года назад
@@raymonda.koosha5824 The energy transferred from primary to secondary is LIpk^2/2. This occurs fsw (1/T) times per second. So the power transferred is the energy times fsw (or divided by T). The duty cycle does affects the value of Ipk.
@my_home_interiors_hyderabad
@my_home_interiors_hyderabad 3 года назад
Hi Sir , At 16:47 you were saying that time constant for the RC circuit should be larger than fs -> Hence basically in passive clamp you are not settling the RC circuit charge and discharge ; Is the passive clamp circuit just for passing those inductor (LC) undamped oscillations?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Indeed
@nickjung1199
@nickjung1199 4 года назад
Can the peak current also be calculated the following way? Ipk= ton*Vin/Lm? Because the leakage current should be the same as the current through the coupled inductor, right? greetings Nick
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Certainly, but..you don't know ton. The requirement is P from which you calculate everything including ton.
@darshanchirke3729
@darshanchirke3729 4 года назад
Sir I had one question regarding the practical design of the flyback converter that I have seen in most of smps circuits. Sir there is a cermaic capacitor (1nf to 50nf) connected in parallel with the mosfet (drain-source). First I used to think it acts as a snubber during turn off of the mosfet, but soon realized that there should aslo be a snubber resistace in series with it to limit the discharging current, which is not present. I do not understand the reason behind it, as it will stress the current through the mosfet when it will turn on. Thanks.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Tis would be for DCM. The reason could be either helping quasi resonant operation of lower the frequency of the parasitic oscillations.
@darshanchirke3729
@darshanchirke3729 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov Thankyou Sir!
@neethus3294
@neethus3294 Год назад
Hello sir, If possible, could you please throw some light or make a video on flyback operation when Vout< nVin. I am confused about its operation in that region. I found through simulations that, for Vout< n Vin, even if its designed for DCM, it shows CCM operation. Once it crosses that threshold it shows DCM operation. I am working on capacitor charging application. It would be also helpful, if you could include how parasitic capacitance play an important role in the maximum voltage the converter could reach?. If its not possible, recommendations of good reference books would be big help. Thanks a lot.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Send me an email to sby@bgu.ac.il and I will reply.
@neethus3294
@neethus3294 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov thank you.
@cchang1199
@cchang1199 3 года назад
Dear professor, thanks for your excellent video. There is one thing bothering me for a while: the DCM flyback converter looks like a 1st order system with a single pole and a single zero as you illustrated. Why compensation is needed? As far as I know a 1st order system is always stable.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Good point regarding stability. But...A PI controller will increase the loop gaiat low frequency for lower DC error and better line regulation as well as PSRR.
@cchang1199
@cchang1199 3 года назад
@@sambenyaakov I see. So the plant is a first order system. With an error-feedback network the system becomes a higher order system and hence requires compensation. Another question is most DC-DC converter assumes a constant output voltage while the input voltage might vary within a certain range. Is there a boost converter scheme that's suitable for constant-input-voltage and variable-output-voltage? So far the best candidate I found is the constant-off-time hysteretic controller as it doesn't require a compensation network. But I couldn't find many controllers of this type.
@saeed6296
@saeed6296 Год назад
hi , how a buck or boost or flyback converter ic supply its own circuit ? I mean I always see an internal voltage regulator inside every diagram of these chips but if it get the current from the source directly it is not efficient
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Auxilliary power supply
@dannyperry8070
@dannyperry8070 4 года назад
2 questions. I have looked at a few abstracts. On some they use the reflected voltage to calculate n and on others they use the vin over out. Which is correct? Also if Bmax is specified by the core and it is not exceeded in the calculations then why do we need the air gap. I understand that the gap changes the slope of the BH curve but is it required in all cases. Thank you
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
The two approaches seem to be the same. As for need of gap see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CCS_sPgb6U4.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z17qFQ12CfE.html
@dannyperry8070
@dannyperry8070 4 года назад
Thank you for your fast response. My understanding is not as deep as yours. In the case n=Vr/Vo vs n=Vo/Vin, they seem to yield different results for the turn ratio. Also on the second question, I have looked at your video. I am trying to design my first flyback converter to experiment with. At what point do I need to insert an air gap as part of the EE core I am using? Do I need the air gap if I stay below the Bmax?
@JoelLandivar
@JoelLandivar 4 года назад
If I have a flyback converter already operating in BCM, how do I send it to CCM or DCM without changing my input and output voltages? Just by changing duty cycle or also the inductor value must be changed?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
For a fixed vin vout and power you can lower switching frequency it will go into DCM and higher frequency for CCM. But if your controller is BCM it will adjust itself again.
@neethus3294
@neethus3294 Год назад
Hello sir! Its indeed an enlightening video. I have one doubt though, the clamp capacitor is initially charged to the clamp voltage during turn on of the switch. when the switch is turned off and when the switch voltage exceeds the clamp voltage , the diode is turned on and leakage energy has new path. My doubt is through which path the clamp capacitor is initially charged, as the diode is reverse biased. Could you please throw some light ? also in 20.35 you have mentioned ideally the switch voltage goes to zero when the current ceases in secondary. but shouldn't the switch voltage be equal to Vin ? Thank you.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Good questions. Thanks. Primary and secondary act also as a tranformer. If the cap voltage is low it will charge concurrently with the output. When the current stops the interwinding cap an primary resonant oscillate which reduces the voltage on fet.
@neethus3294
@neethus3294 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov Thank you sir.
@sereza1981
@sereza1981 Год назад
Hello! Thank you very much for your lecture! Very good content! I Have question about formula for P = Ipk^2*Lm/2, because P is power, so may be right formula would be Ipk^2 * Lm* Fsw/2? So we need to product your formula to Fsw(switching frequency) ? I mean content on 6:50 min. Or I misunderstand something... Thank you!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Yes, correct. This is pointed out in the RU-vid page of this video.
@imadokastantino4197
@imadokastantino4197 3 месяца назад
Hi, is there a way to reduce the resonance which happens after the switch go off?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 месяца назад
By a snubber
@kkh8623
@kkh8623 Год назад
Hi, Dr. Ben-Yaakov. What drawing tool are you using for this presentation? it looks really clear and simple like Texas Instrument's datasheets.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
Visio for basic drawings and a tablet with pen
@kkh8623
@kkh8623 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov Thanks for your reply. Do you mean that you have your own stencil? It looks really good.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
@@kkh8623 Thanks. Yes, we prepared templates for various components and then copy and paste in Visio,
@eljeffo2871
@eljeffo2871 4 года назад
Wow professor.. wicked videos. At 25:00 on this video you mention how you could look at the graph/poles and determine the output could be controlled using just a simple Type 2 / PI control. What concept/basis did you use to be able to determine PI vs PID (for example)? I've long forgotten my math, but more or less followed you to that point! :) Thanks for the education!
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
@25, this is because a current source into an RC is first order.
@eljeffo2871
@eljeffo2871 4 года назад
Aha! Thanks a bunch professor!
@PSPS437
@PSPS437 6 лет назад
@8:10 Dr. Sam: If ton is higher, Duty cycle will be higher, that means peak current will be higher ( RMS will be higher) for variable switching frequency (boundary mode) as well as fixed freq DCM mode converter. Ipeak and L are inversely proportional. Or may be I am missing something here?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Hi Swaraji, if by design ton is longer , Lm will have to be larger for same power. The end result will be a lower peak current
@PSPS437
@PSPS437 6 лет назад
Sam Ben-Yaakov yes you are correct Dr.Sam. I checked my equations . Great video by the way
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Thanks
@teberer3246
@teberer3246 3 года назад
Hi , is Lm the mutual inductance or primary coil inductance ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Magnetization.
@shashankgaonkar2546
@shashankgaonkar2546 4 месяца назад
(Lm . Ip^2)/2 is the energy equation. Power equation must be multiplied with switching frequency. Am i right? Where as through out the video energy equation is mentioned as power.... If I'm right...
@imranhussain399
@imranhussain399 5 лет назад
Hi Sir, you are a great professor in making complex concepts easy. I need your favor. I am a junior research engineer. I am trying to develop a flyback converter just for understanding purposes. Our goal is something different. Flyback have following specs: Np=30T, Ns=2500T, fs=34kHz, D=47%, Vin=20V, RL=1Meg. Leakage Inductance Llk=200 uH. The Core is UU Core of MnZn Material having Effective Core area of Ae=191mm^2. Both primary and Secondary Windings are wound on separate legs. Primary Winding is of Single Copper Conductor of AWG=25. The issue which I am facing is that during ON Time (Ton), the inductor current doesn't increase linearly rather it oscillates and it seems that there are sinusoidal oscillations which are superimposed on the linearly Increasing Inductor Current. Due to this reason Output Voltage is much smaller in amplitude than the theoretical one. can you Plz explain the reason and Phenomenon which causes inductor current Oscillating. and also how can we solve that problem. Any helpful Information will be Appreciated. A Rough Plot of Primary Current During Ton is attached herewith: drive.google.com/file/d/1HHPh5b1vHrkywzdQzuXvkwrtDxF-Ipu2/view?usp=sharing
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Hi Imran, You do have too much leakage inductance and apparently large inter winding capacitance. Not a good idea for flyback to wind on separate legs. Try as a first step to wind primary on secondary (with proper insulation in between).
@imranhussain399
@imranhussain399 5 лет назад
@@sambenyaakov Yes you are right sir. Leakage inductance is large. Ok I try to wind on same leg. I will update you about the results. Thank you so much sir.
@imranhussain399
@imranhussain399 5 лет назад
@@sambenyaakov Hi sir I have simulated the same circuit on LT Spice and added a stray capacitance of 35pF on secondary side before secondary Diode. The results are almost matching with those of hardware. This shows that oscillations in primary current are the results of large inductance and capacitance. They are making resonance. But my question is that how they are making resonance during On Time while leakage inductance is still getting energy from Source?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 5 лет назад
Inter winding capacitance of magnetic element
@imranhussain399
@imranhussain399 5 лет назад
@@sambenyaakov Hi Sir! I have redesigned Flyback with Secondary and primary on same leg of UU core as per your instructions. Following are the specs: Vin=50V, Vo=10kV, Po=100W, fs=20kHz, D=48%, Lp= 114uH with air gap, Ro=1Meg, Np= 15T, Ns=1280T Ae=200mm^2 Now if I use same Volt/Turn on primary and secondary side then secondary turns come out to be Ns=10kV/(50/15) = 3000T But these turns are too large. So I wounded Ns=1280T. Then according to volt second equation Bac=(Vs*Toff)/(Ns*Ae) =(10kV*26U)/(1280*200U) =1.05T > 0.5T This shows that during energy transfer, core will saturate. My question is that Does above equation apply to the secondary side as well? If yes then how we can design flyback with above specs but with lower secondary turns without saturating? Also can this happen that secondary winding of flyback will saturate core even if primary winding is not saturating the core? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
is this [L1 = ( A*N^2*m/l )] the equition to find the indactans in the flyback converter??
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Yes. This is the equation for the inductance of any inductor.
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
thank you very very much professor
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
prof.could you tel me how i can choose the value of Lm ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Lm in CCM is a function of target ripple. in DCM it is related to power transfer.
@MS-ef1gy
@MS-ef1gy 4 года назад
Thanks...I understand that you chose to use your referenced equation to solve...however...let's assume a buck converter simulation...would it not be easier to assume that one brings the inductor to full magnetic field and then at that point the charging circuit is disconnected...what ever the duty cycle time to do that...no more, no less. Then at that point in time...the problem now is simplified to that of the load circuit supplied by the flyback energy (Current source) imparted by the collapsing magnetic field...the problem then becomes much easier to conceive as well as approximate...and most likely also to simulate.
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
This is too simplistic Switch mode converters do not work this way.
@MS-ef1gy
@MS-ef1gy 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov Deflection is simplistic as well
@mhtavallaei2175
@mhtavallaei2175 6 лет назад
Why the stored energy inside choke should not be 1/2*Lm*Iavg instead of peak current? what if the current shape not be triangular in general not here
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 6 лет назад
Energy stored in an inductor is 1/2 L I^2 so the energy of the leakage inductor at he turn off instance is related to Ipk of main inductor.
@mhtavallaei2175
@mhtavallaei2175 6 лет назад
thank you for reply
@shivanshu2959
@shivanshu2959 3 года назад
What do you mean by offline and online application ?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 3 года назад
Which minute in video do you refer to?
@johnwerner7142
@johnwerner7142 5 лет назад
DCM Flybacks use a smaller core size then comparable CCM Flybacks or Forward Converters...
@Peter68831
@Peter68831 Год назад
The secondary inductor should be formed as Lm/n^2, am I right?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov Год назад
To which minute/slide_number are you referring to, please?
@Peter68831
@Peter68831 Год назад
@@sambenyaakov Sorry, I thought the turns ratio Np:Ns is represented by n:1, it's 1:n in your presentation.
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
what do you mean by Lm??
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
This is the inductance id coupled inductor. Yo can define it from primary or secondary.
@vickramreddy64
@vickramreddy64 4 года назад
can we use same method for CCM ??
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Yes. With adjustments.
@vickramreddy64
@vickramreddy64 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov thank you so much sir I want to design a dc- dc converter for 180w rating how bad is that using flyback topology for that.
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
how can i choose the value of the Capacitor?
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Which cap?
@yousefalmuzini7150
@yousefalmuzini7150 4 года назад
@@sambenyaakov the capacitor at the output
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Based on current ripple of cap and desired voltage ripple. But...watch for losses due to ESR.
@Byjuncal
@Byjuncal 4 года назад
Dear Mr Yaakov, I love the way you explain electronic. I would like to point up the pole frequency. Based on your explanation this is 1/2*PI*C*(R+Rc) but the real frequency for the pole is 1/PI*C*(R+Rc). Could you explain this inconsistency? Thanks
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 4 года назад
Please indicate minute in video you are referring to.
@freedomisfood6966
@freedomisfood6966 Год назад
excuse this sample just is is theory in action problem is not simple.please in action fasten circuit an show to us .thank you
@nguyencuong-ye1gn
@nguyencuong-ye1gn 11 месяцев назад
Can this flyback model exchange energy 2 way sir? I plan to use it to balance the voltage between two 15V sources
@sambenyaakov
@sambenyaakov 11 месяцев назад
For bidirectional you need also a switch at the secondary.
@nguyencuong-ye1gn
@nguyencuong-ye1gn 10 месяцев назад
@@sambenyaakovThank you for the answer sir, can you tell me if the calculation formulas are different with that model?
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