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Analyzing the Narrator from Slay the Princess 

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The Narrator is the voice that sits on your shoulder, describes the story and tries to bring it to a good end.
But what’s his story? The story of the voice behind you?
Most of the time we talk about the Princess, but today I wanted to shed some light upon someone who sat in the dark for far too long.
Also, the video is slightly biased because I just love the voice from the Archivist!
I promised to do this video all the while back. It was decided so with a vote.
It took me a while to make and I am still a bit uncertain about this, but I am proud of it.
Making a video based on a character that doesn't physically have a presence in the story is difficult but I hope it is bearable.
Voiced by Dipper.
Thanks to Mayana, ASpooky, Sirbad, Lunar, Narrator Useful Dump and Bluzacy for helping with the process of making this video.
0:00 Prologue
0:48 Chapter 1 The Storyteller
1:43 Chapter 2 The Echo
3:40 To End Death
4:21 A World ending
7:00 Else Oblivion
9:25 Story Without Script
12:03 Epilogue
Music used:
Firelink Shrine: • Firelink Shrine
The Wild: • The Wild
As Flowers: • As Flowers (Music from...
Movement II: • The Shifting Mound (Mo...
The World Ender: • The World-Ender
Prisonic Fairytale: • Prisonic Fairytale
Midna's Lament: • Midna's Lament - The L...
Secret Betrayal: • Secret Betrayal
Saferoom: • Saferoom Theme (Reside...
Fragmentation: • Slay the Princess - Fr...
The Man Who Sold the World: • The man who sold the w...
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@thefirstcoolest7885
@thefirstcoolest7885 Месяц назад
All you really need to know from him is that you’re on a path in the woods and at the end of that path is a cabin. In the basement of that cabin is a princess. You’re here to slay her. If you don’t, it will be the end of the world
@person-lk5kq
@person-lk5kq Месяц назад
that's exactly what the narrator would say
@karteltheinterrex4335
@karteltheinterrex4335 Месяц назад
​@@reubensalter8125Why? Are you a monarchist? I certainly hope not.
@Ixarus6713
@Ixarus6713 Месяц назад
​@@reubensalter8125 Personally I think the princess is an innocent soul who must be saved from her imprisonment as she can do no wrong!
@draconian3905
@draconian3905 Месяц назад
The narrator has no ties to the trout population.
@Rhino-Prime
@Rhino-Prime Месяц назад
The narrator controls the lobsters
@KiaV2
@KiaV2 Месяц назад
So this is where you went after the Ash-Veil Lane arg, hopefully the trout population is still thriving
@draconian3905
@draconian3905 Месяц назад
@@KiaV2 after ash veil lane ended I have been wandering RU-vid, keeping the greater internet informed about the trout population. Yes, The trout population is thriving.
@corrucies2087
@corrucies2087 Месяц назад
​@@draconian3905Soon they will stake their claim to the lands
@jeffreywiggins3502
@jeffreywiggins3502 Месяц назад
The Narrator IS the Trout population. Weren't you paying attention?
@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084
@aclaymushroomwithaberet7084 Месяц назад
all in all, he's a terrified man holding on to the old, but wouldn't you do that, saving the world from a world ending threat is considered heroic by most, so why do we judge him for trying to do it?
@egekahraman8985
@egekahraman8985 Месяц назад
the guy literally imprisoned two gods and killed himself to end death
@leahnzastrzelecki5217
@leahnzastrzelecki5217 Месяц назад
@@egekahraman8985 It makes him tragic in multiple ways--what's left of him is his dying whims set in stone that can feel and react but literally cannot change his opinion or stance any longer. Perhaps were he in the place of his fragments, the original man may have eventually felt pity, seen some error (of which there are many the Narrator encounters but overlooks), or thought of a more merciful solution, and thus relented to let Shifty and Quiet free. Huh, the Narrator's very existence is a rather compelling argument for saving Shifty now that I think about it--it's good to have strong principles but being truly unable to change your mind about anything is horrifying. Imagine if we were all stuck at our high school or college mentality and opinions. Or if once you formed a strong opinion about someone you were stuck with that forever, even if said person turns out to be a walking saint and you two just got off on the wrong foot, or worse you fell for a sociopath.
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
He literally gave birth to a creature (in this case a goddess) just to kill her, also split the fabric of birth and death into two beings and force one of them to kill the other, while not respecting none of them and even looking down upon them both, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHY?
@user-do8ot1mu6c
@user-do8ot1mu6c Месяц назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3uthey aren't his children and one of them will literally end life as he knows it, which is something he very clearly was trying to stop.
@sggyd.795
@sggyd.795 Месяц назад
@@egekahraman8985Well he split a god into two, imprisoned one, and had the other half try and kill the first half
@_2fcd_978
@_2fcd_978 Месяц назад
There's a certain line that I think is really telling of the Narrator's beliefs. If you tell him he's delusional at the end he responds with, "I'm only delusional if I'm wrong, and I'm...not wrong. I can't be."
@boomshockalocka
@boomshockalocka Месяц назад
So, I may actually be the Narrator's worst enemy. I went through the game far more enamored with the Princess and the Long Quiet, so I never asked any questions about what was outside the construct, and then I reached the loop ending. In the loop ending, if you have asked him about the world outside, an option comes up to make sure the Princess keeps the Narrator's world in existence during the reset, and she says that it is up to the player to make sure that happens. By entering the loop without knowing of the world outside of the construct, that world has ended while the construct continues without creating the next universe.
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
The question is about if the people in the world will continue dying, because of her existence and her answer basically is ,,I can change to whatever you imagine me to be, so imagine me helping them”, it’s not about whether the world will continue to exist, they are trapped in a vacuum outside of the world so it doesn’t yet end, that’s was to whole point, if you have chose the loop the world is stagnant until something happens, whether this is killing her or freeing her
@jesse3525
@jesse3525 Месяц назад
When are you able to ask the Narrator questions about outside the construct? I want to see the dialogue for this myself
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
​@@jesse3525 when you are talking to the broken mirror, some questions are unlocked after you have asked specific ones, but you can save before the questions or what a video with all of them
@thechosenone5421
@thechosenone5421 Месяц назад
loop ending is just a loop tho, it don't progress the world
@boomshockalocka
@boomshockalocka Месяц назад
@@thechosenone5421 it is a loop, but I'm pretty sure it is not a time loop.
@elisethethird3248
@elisethethird3248 Месяц назад
Is it just me who was severely disappointed by how little we learn about the Narrator other than his motivation? I want to know how a mortal was able to tear apart and entrap a deity. I wish that there was more emphasis on what he sacrificed and a better explanation of nature of what he became and how he connected to Long Quiet to the point where Shifty confused him with one of the Voices, more backstory and development as a whole. Especially given that he is the only one to provide a mortal's perspective to Long Quiet, right before a confrontation that will decide the fate of mortals. As it is, what could have been a great character became little more than a tool. Alternatively, maybe making him more vague and open to interpretation would have been beneficial
@psychicmane7636
@psychicmane7636 Месяц назад
In the lovecraftian mythos humans where granter the ability to be dreamers truly awakened dreamers can create entire realities he envisioned change and death as a concept gave it a face and then split it maybe its the same concept
@leahnzastrzelecki5217
@leahnzastrzelecki5217 Месяц назад
While what you suggest would be interesting--I think detailing the "how" would have detracted from the themes of the game and the fandom would have devolved into GameTheorying^tm the process rather than the philosophical themes and relationships between the three.
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
@@leahnzastrzelecki5217that and also whatever the explanation would be not everyone would be happy and it can even damage the story, alien technology, magic, mythology, what would be good for explaining how a mortal divided the fabric of life and death, created two gods and trapped them in the body of one of them, which is simultaneously a reality outside of time affecting time, it’s just too surreal
@Dwags789
@Dwags789 Месяц назад
The problem is that the answer is never as fascinating as the question itself.
@withedoter6277
@withedoter6277 Месяц назад
From how I see it... It's because that's all there is about the Narrator in Slay the Princess (not to be confused with the Narrator from the Stanley Parable). Because the Narrator here is just a being running on a single concept, to stop the end of the world. He is an underdeveloped character, because that is his purpose given by his creator, the one who built the construct. He is incapable of learning, and that is how he fails.
@danieleduardocastillomonto4574
@danieleduardocastillomonto4574 Месяц назад
I feel so many people hate Him but I can't help giving Him the benefit of the doubt. Since death is something I haven't experienced, then maybe he's right, and an eternity of nothing ever changing is better than dying. One of my favorite characters in media for sure!
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
How is an eternity of nothing changing better? You would literally go insane, not to mention most of the concept of change will die, so that means no growth, no new people, he even said constant forgetfulness, FOR EVERYONE
@Kayta-Linda
@Kayta-Linda Месяц назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3u Again, without having experienced either of those options… we can’t really say for sure. All of our opinions on the matter are basically just.. headcanons.
@Kayta-Linda
@Kayta-Linda Месяц назад
What I find the most interesting about it is that… the game itself kind of makes you hate Him, considering how it’s written. You play as a god who cannot die, and therefore doesn’t understand why death can be terrifying. So by playing this game… you’re kind of forgetting what it feels like to be human and instead come to think of Him as horrible, selfish or even evil. When in actuality, He’s just as much a person as all of us. And I’m pretty sure everyone fears death to at least some extent. So everything He did is a perfectly normal human reaction, especially considering where he came from. Obviously, this still doesn’t really seem like the best “solution” but His intentions were purely selfless. And who *can* make good decisions when this desperate, anyway? At the end of the day… all I feel for Him is immense pity. He was doomed to fail from the start, and he might’ve even known it. 😢
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
@@Kayta-Lindawithout experiencing them? You would ABSOLUTELY go insane with no chance and sensation, this is literally a torture method And no, we hate him because he doesn’t exactly act like a good person, he doesn’t care about the Long Quiet, forcing him to do exactly what he says even killing him if necessary, he has no empathy for the Princess which he created just to kill, almost all his actions through the game pain him in a bad light, it’s almost ironic that the only human acts inhumane
@danieleduardocastillomonto4574
@danieleduardocastillomonto4574 Месяц назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3u without change there's quite literally no way of going insane. Changing from sane to insane is that, a change. Then again, even if it was possible to go insane in His desired world, still there's the posibility than an eternity of insanity is better than whatever death is, and nobody would know except for Him. And of course his actions paint Him in a bad light, He is an antagonist at the end of the day, but what I'm saying is that He is far more sympathetic than what I've seen some people treating Him.
@angela.luntian
@angela.luntian Месяц назад
Narrator and the two gods are some of the most tragic and touching characters I know by far. The stakes are insanely high and it took the Narrator everything in his humanity to create the game essentially. I always thought that the end of the world he was referring to was the natural heat death of the universe or an atomic war, something his people naturally had to face or brought to their selves. Glad to see someone also interprets it that way.
@thechosenone5421
@thechosenone5421 Месяц назад
if it was an atomic war, he wouldn't say 'the bones of this universe are old' and there wouldn't be the file of 'dying star' on the game
@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 Месяц назад
Something I noted while doing the Nightmare route: if you attempt to walk off the edge of the stairs into the void below, and tell him you did so because you were scared of having to face the Princess, he actually reveals some hypocrisy in saying that anything would be better than an eternity spent in a void. And I'm not sure anyone needs a reminder of what his "reward" is if you do everything he tells you to exactly how he tells you to do it.
@elegantoddity8609
@elegantoddity8609 23 дня назад
That kind of furthers my idea that that route is sort of the Narrator learning the error of his ways. Cause during the Moment of Clarity he learns just how horrific his stagnant future could be, and this bit you've described implies to me that, if he really does view the cabin as a reward, it's because the cabin is somewhere nice, in his opinion. So long as its nice, it should be fine. And for your inability to determine right from wrong and decision to simply keep the stalemate going in perpetuity to solve the dilemma you both get to learn the fastest way to spoil your pleasures.
@ZefulStarson
@ZefulStarson Месяц назад
My main problem with the narrator, as someone very analytical and skeptical, is the vaugeness with which he tries to frame his solution as the only solution. It just invites asking more questions, and due to the nature of the Princess and The Construct, means he already lost; the clean kill needed for the good ending was just never going to happen until after one vessel had already been collected.
@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII819
@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII819 Месяц назад
I believe he keeps things vague because the princess is heavily affected by the long quiet's perception of her. He needs her to be seen as both weak and vulnerable while also being a grave threat to all reality. It's a precarious balance.
@BobMcBobJr
@BobMcBobJr Месяц назад
The "Plan B" of having the fully awakened Hero kill the fully awakened Princess is riskier to his goal as it is the last chance. I think he's just trying to cynically maximize his chances here as he does tell you what's going on when the mirror shatters. Yet I still agree with you that he is too focused on "killing her" being the only option. I made a comment elsewhere her that I can totally see the Princess and the Hero creating a reincarnation cycle where the soul and perhaps even memory remains after death, the one thing that the Hero's power protect eternally.
@Zenyx64
@Zenyx64 Месяц назад
Well. I never in my wildest dreams imagined this shitpost channel owner to be capable of such quality writing. Spectacular video essay - a bit short but that's good, straight to the point. Here's to it blowing up.
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump Месяц назад
Inside me love a Witch and a Prisoner.
@toxdz_quack8466
@toxdz_quack8466 Месяц назад
Funnily enough, the only reason why the voices are neutral at best towards The Narrator is because we chose to disobey him ourselves. If we simply do what He wants, we will be "eternally happy" till the end of our conscience and will get the you know what ending. However, once we decide to not follow Him, everything goes against His plan, so of course He gets hostile and of course we respond to hostility with hostility of our own due to the fact that He cant even make a convincing reason for us to kill the princess. Also i just realized that the supposed "good ending" where we leave the cabin with the princess is the worst one because we meet the said oblivion. Honestly living as a god with hot goddess gf seems more appealing now. Wait, doesn't that mean that all He needed to do was to convince us convince her to stop the world from ending? Welp, time to have my mind torn apart by these thoughts for another week or so. Edit: some grammar mistakes were made, whoops!
@CB-eo6xo
@CB-eo6xo Месяц назад
On my view with the Narrator, I like to headcanon that his fear of death and his desire to ultimately erase the concept of it was because of his past experiences that made him greatly fear and perhaps even hate it for most of his life since the moment he was born. As he lived like any other mortal, he slowly grew obsessed with it as he suffered many close calls with death (at least one that was nearly fatal to him) in his life along with losing many friends and families (and perhaps maybe a love of his own but who knows, really) that it greatly traumatized him. As he grew up and became a successful scientist/alchemist (whatever really with how ambiguous things are outside the Construct) through many tireless years studying and discovering new things of how the concept of the universe works and trying to find the absolute answer on how to finally destroy the concept of death, he kept gazing into the infinite depths of the old universe that is slowly dying during his career...... and as he recalled many his unpleasant experiences of his life that involved death, it eventually made him witness the depths of the universe had gaze back at him.
@chaselowell4567
@chaselowell4567 Месяц назад
My first playthrough I got tons of wholesome princess chapters like thorn and damsel. The narrator was about to explain what’s going on and I immediately smash the mirror and reunite with my beloved
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
7:02 I think you got that wrong, if you ask the Echo if stagnation won’t be worse that death, he basically responds with ,,Anything is better than oblivion” so he knows that everything will stuck in one place Even in your own video at 6:41 he says that everyone will be in a constant state of forgetfulness Furthermore when you ,,fight” the Shifting mount she multiple times depending of your routes comments that without change and struggle there would be no growth, so it’s possible that this not only include progression, but also literal growth as in people will stop growing and multiply And even with the argument that the Narrator preserved a tiny portion of change within you, when you kill the Princess, the Hero ask you how your feeling and you respond that it feels like part of you have died, the Hero responds with ,,Literally or figuratively” implying that it may be literally and the part of you that died was the change, because you literally killed change in her entirety, this is very speculative, but it’s weird that he says it like this (because in normal circumstances it’s obvious that it’s figuratively) and it will further put the nail in the coffin that the Narrator’s philosophy is not only wrong, but his plan wasn’t going to work in the first place And also the dying star, you know, the star in the process of dying, it’s not only a prove that the world is in stagnation, but also can you imagine how unbearably HOT it will be to live in a world in which its star is in a brink of death, these people will WISH death was still a concept
@ashadeofblue6815
@ashadeofblue6815 Месяц назад
It's more likely they are living around a red dwarf (which would explain why they seem to be so close to it since they are rather cold) those dont heat up the last star in the universe will not explode into a supernova it will grow dimmer and colder until it shines no more Edit: the dialogue about a part of You dying comes from the fact that TLQ has a small part of SM inside of him and the SM has a small part of TLQ inside her so by killing her you kill that part of you
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u 15 дней назад
@@ashadeofblue6815 Yes, you kill that part of you, that's my theory that you kill the part of her in you and with that the entire existence of change as a concept, that is literal and not emotional, also in the files it says dying star so I think it's stuck in the process of dying
@ashadeofblue6815
@ashadeofblue6815 12 дней назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3u i kinda disagree on that since from my viewpoint the Narrator put a piece of her in TLQ so that change becomes crippled and limited after her death instead of it truly dying
@minerman60101
@minerman60101 Месяц назад
The Narrator should've just found the Eye of the Universe smh Non joke comment: it's very fitting that the achievement for asking the narrator all of the questions is "Death of the Author", the concept that stories take on a life of their own once released, and the author's interpretation becomes just one of many interpretations.
@beepboopsquad6857
@beepboopsquad6857 Месяц назад
Yeah he should have just dumped all his memories into the eye and died while the universe resets, it would have been much simpler even with out all the time travel and probe cannon shenanigans (Glad to find another outer wilds fan I love that game so much)
@azcdtixs
@azcdtixs Месяц назад
"eye of universe" yeah uhm so theres this podcast-
@goncalocarneiro3043
@goncalocarneiro3043 Месяц назад
I would have democratically elected this bird as Narrator for a fateful god.
@sheokh
@sheokh Месяц назад
The fact the 2 beings have a little of each other in themselves shows that they don’t work without each other so their escape is inevitable even if they go through every ending. Though in personifying them he might have save the world or at least ensured that in giving them self recognition in a form of self he can understand, the next world to come into existence would be one that he would have been able to comprehensible to his definition of mortals.
@stanisawzokiewski3308
@stanisawzokiewski3308 Месяц назад
Tricking silence into killing death is a gigachad move. Its only hubris if it fails 6:40 in my headcanon the world created by killing the shifting mound is the game Rainworld. Its a cyclical world without death. 12:20 if you think about it, he kinda wins in that scenario, at least on the level of not forgetting. Two eternal gods know he existed and spoke to him, in a way their memmory is his immortality.
@NarratorUsefulDump
@NarratorUsefulDump Месяц назад
Oh my god! 2 months in the making. this already starts out with firelink music. this is already a master peice.
@Sirene1134
@Sirene1134 Месяц назад
super based analysis. he's just a terrified shadow of a man trying to do every he thinks is the best for his loved ones. i Will absolutely still let Contrarian bully him tho
@someoneunknown6553
@someoneunknown6553 Месяц назад
To be entirely honest I was expecting this to be a saxophone witch setup, but this was really, really good! I don't see much speculation about the Narrator, just Quiet and Shifty, so this was a much welcome breath of fresh air
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump Месяц назад
I got to keep my audience on their toes!
@someoneunknown6553
@someoneunknown6553 Месяц назад
@@Princess-Pointless-Dump Shaking and crying but also thoroughly enjoying the yummy content in all its variety
@iwannabeyahtzee8056
@iwannabeyahtzee8056 Месяц назад
It seems so fitting to me that the same man who voiced Jonathan Sims from The Magnus Archives also voices a character who so feared and hated death that he literally tore reality in half to stop it.
@OneSingleAnt
@OneSingleAnt Месяц назад
Amazing video! Its very cool to see someone give the narrator the benifit of the doubt rather then painting him as a straight up evil villian. Personally I side with the narrator, which is what makes the story so much more tragic and amazing for me. Emotionally, I want to save the princess and have the happy ending of being together and no longer being alone. But the more utilitarian side of me believes/knows that the right thing to do is to plunge the dagger. I don't think any other game has had me so divided on a choice and had me thinking about it for so long.
@tile8439
@tile8439 Месяц назад
I've always been a fan of stories where conflict is born through identical morals and mindsets, but applied to different people or groups. I feel this applies to the slayer and the narrator, because if you take his mindset and simply apply it to the slayer, it would mean he should save the princess, because that would save her from oblivion and yourself from eternal torment at having ended the only other thing in existence like you with your own hands, and you'd be doing it at the cost of an outside world where nothing is truly like you and her and where nothing ever really ends, just changes form. This is an easy mirror to the narrators reasoning behind his choice, choosing to subject you two infinite beings to torture just to save his own world from oblivion. It is simply the willingness to subject an utterly alien outsider to misery, albeit in a manner that doesn't ever truly kill them, so that you and everything you care for may never truly die. This mindset describes both the narrator is his actions to rid the world of death, and the slayer in his condemnation of an infinity of universes to life and death so that he and the princess may always be together. This can also be seen as the reason why it doesn't matter if you leave with Shifty or with the Princess as they both mean the same thing, though they can change your interactions with each other. Though I'd always leave with Shifty because, if you saw absolutely everything with your beloved other half would you suddenly stop loving them? Of course not, I'm happy to dance again with her, and if she makes me forget that is part of the flow. Semi related, i love how similar the relationship of slayer/princess is to the Hero/greatest enemy and lover from Marathon. It's how I like to imagine their dynamic after the game ends, their bodies die but they return again and again to dance and clash and rage anew.
@tile8439
@tile8439 Месяц назад
Oh, and a little piece on the whole "there's a piece of what should be her in you, so things won't end but they won't be the same" this plan only works in the event you follow his word to the letter and get the "good" ending. If Shifty is ever made whole you can see she literally erupts out of the long quiet, out of you. It's clear that piece of her in you gathered perspectives and nerves until gravity brought them all together again and that little piece of what should've been her has now become all of her, and it has emerged out of you, so if you kill her now that piece of what should've been her that stopped things from staying the same will be gone. The moment Shifty is "complete" and you have to kill the piece of her in you the narrator's plan has catastrophically failed.
@someperson4193
@someperson4193 Месяц назад
This is so beautifully written it's almost indistinguishable from the story itself, like it's written with the story's narrative language. And it was beautifully done and you nailed it. It is not only poetry, but the absolute truth of the story, and told by painting a picture. Thank you for this.
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump Месяц назад
Ahh, thanks so much!
@sydneyblackburn337
@sydneyblackburn337 Месяц назад
I like to think that Jonathan Sims (the va for the Narrator) plays himself again, like in the Magnus Archive. But as his echo this time lol
@Maphisto86
@Maphisto86 Месяц назад
I had a thought after a couple of playthroughs. The “real” narrator did change the nature of reality forever; dividing a single, pantheistic being into two separate entities. But more than that he created two beings who learned about mortality and feared death like he did. It was likely unintentional on the Narrator’s part, but my head canon is that the cruel situation he created for the Long Quiet and the Shifting Mound made them appreciate the promise and perils of mortality. The Long Quiet and the Princess / Shifting Mound was once a likely pantheistic being. A being which couldn’t understand mortality as they were above such things. Now there are two (or one) new beings watching over existence that now recognize what mortal beings know all too well. Would they become angry gods? I like to imagine that the life and death struggle they endured would make the Long Quiet and the Shifting Mound quite the opposite.
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump Месяц назад
I always considered it quite ironic how the voices feared the mirror, which was to them death.
@glider521al
@glider521al Месяц назад
Did the Narrator consider that freezing everything in stasis would probably cause more problems than it solves (e.g. overpopulation, stopping the next universe from forming)? Being stuck in an infinite timeloop sounds more like a purgatory than a paradise.
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
If you ask him, he responds with ,,Anything is better than oblivion”
@hyjjjkyikk3158
@hyjjjkyikk3158 Месяц назад
⁠it’s more of desperation rather than reasonable action .he witnessed his universe coming to an end and his people were all after him of it. To hear nothing more but death echoing throughout whenever he goes may have pressured him to try to do something rash to end death itself cuz that is better than his loved ones dying unhappy and be forgotten.i feel for this guy.if everyone was gonna die to a cosmic force knowing we all be wiped out before we could advance any further. We would descend to a More destructive chaos.
@Ixarus6713
@Ixarus6713 Месяц назад
Ultimately his biggest mistake was trying to begin with, an echo cannot learn or change, and thus cannot guide the gods to the right conclusion. Also, maybe they would've listen to him if he wasn't an absolute jerk..
@Repicheep22
@Repicheep22 Месяц назад
"Firelink Shrine" playing over the opening lines. *chef's kiss* Excellent!
@opalchat4539
@opalchat4539 Месяц назад
No f***ing way! You started making video essays?! LET'S GOOO!
@windbroom3837
@windbroom3837 Месяц назад
Nice lore vid cant wait for the constructs slightly deeper speculation
@IcorthwasTaken
@IcorthwasTaken Месяц назад
Righty! Time for some speculation! Here's a point (before watching the video) of speculation that I feel are note worthy: A. The 'Narrator' is Humanity's perceived *God.* A piece of speculation that may be a bit far flung, however, it makes sense when we look at the clues. - The Characters are specifically human / humaniod. Only straying from this detail when our view is altered of them. - The Long Quiet is humaniod in form yet carries aspects of an unknown creature (assumedly a Crow or Raven. It is implied they are a part or fragment of the Narrator, which is why they can only hear them). - The Princess (Shifting Mound) is shown to be a Human (though, it is revealed to be of her own choosing based on our perception, implying we know what a human is. And the Narrator is the creator of 'The Long Quiet', leading to concepts being inherented). - The environment is natural in appearance, aside from the cabin. Appearing more Earth-like then anything else (Though it may be to prevent the possibility of straying and or raising questions about other people). - The Narrator's reason for wanting to 'removed' The Shifting Mound (Also the physical embodiment of change) was to preserve humanity. Their own creation, in theory. The main point that ties it together is... - The Fear of Change", or best describe as the "Fear of the Unknown" which is reflected in the perceived God that is the Narrator. If we view the Narrator being depicted as a Raven, it may symbolize a number of things but primarily, an Omen. A warning of what's to come or simply change in a negative light. While viewing them as a Crow, could be reference to Destiny. An inevitably.
@boxlessone1046
@boxlessone1046 Месяц назад
You justify The Narrator's humanity pretty well, but you don't justify his supposed divinity. Additionally, he directly calls himself "a mortal" in game.
@IcorthwasTaken
@IcorthwasTaken Месяц назад
@@boxlessone1046 Valid point, which is why I stated it to be speculation. Since some details tend to get overlooked. But, the majority of the points made do simply point towards the mortality of the Narrator and their intentional (or unintentional) design decisions.
@Ferlan-dc8sm
@Ferlan-dc8sm Месяц назад
I wanted a video about The Narrator and out of nowhere, the meme channel does it, and its good. Great video.
@Ant_an
@Ant_an Месяц назад
Great video
@rasimovungernsternberg300
@rasimovungernsternberg300 Месяц назад
Quite an insightful video on the lore of the video. I hope there is more content like this
@squidy.tea-png8343
@squidy.tea-png8343 Месяц назад
Damn god damn, I never thought a 13 minutes video about a weird bird guy from one of my favorite games would make me cry, but here I am, drawing fan art to cope with the existential nature of death o7
@erikvale3194
@erikvale3194 Месяц назад
A fun watch. The music mixing at the end of the script obscures the ending though.
@Deflamed_Sphere
@Deflamed_Sphere Месяц назад
Thanks for making an analysis for him!
@OWlsfordshire
@OWlsfordshire Месяц назад
You make an excellent point about the narrator only focusing on what he desires. It had the opposite effect on me though. The narrator was very obvious with his ulterior motives, which made me think he was a bit stupid, but had his heart in the right place. I also agreed with him that avoiding oblivion is preferable. A reality with death can be just as horrifying as a reality without it and we were never given evidence of why the latter would be worse. With all due respect, I feel the biggest flaw of this game is how unappealing the voice of the princess is. I was never even slightly swayed to her side because of it.
@RJ-vi9ts
@RJ-vi9ts Месяц назад
This was amazing! Beautiful, even. The Narrator is such an interesting character and I'm glad to see people appreciate Him despite his flaws. The writing was exquisite and the narrator of the video has a nice voice. I love your vids hehe ♥🌹
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump Месяц назад
Thank you so much!
@yellogerms69
@yellogerms69 Месяц назад
britisch bird
@Deflamed_Sphere
@Deflamed_Sphere Месяц назад
ooooooooooh an analysis for Narrator? Thank you!
@thelordz33
@thelordz33 Месяц назад
A lot of this feels like a literalization of the concept of "death of author". You can never actually interact with the author of a story when you are experiencing it. It is at most a memory; an echo of the author at the time they were writing it. And of the course the author was alone, most are when they are writing their stories.
@daughterofsbwg4335
@daughterofsbwg4335 Месяц назад
That was a really great video.
@extremyt1
@extremyt1 Месяц назад
I unconditionally sympathize with The Narrator, he's the true hero of this story. Fuck death.
@hostomelhorsehoarder
@hostomelhorsehoarder Месяц назад
Its very complicated. Living forever destroys meaning in life, there is no urgency to change. But then again, is inaction to stop death you murdering every person that does and will exist?
@gorn5264
@gorn5264 Месяц назад
@@hostomelhorsehoarder "Living forever destroys meaning in life" is a statement I can't understand. Since when did humanity figure the meaning of life to assign such property to it? If it relies on assumption that nothing matters if it doesn't have some conclusion, then I introduce you to a thing called "clock". It has a very distinct purpose - to show what time is it. And when it loses all meaning? When it breaks. To live is to experience and to stop experiencing the world is to die
@hostomelhorsehoarder
@hostomelhorsehoarder Месяц назад
@@gorn5264 I feel like if death wasn't real, the time you spend alive would feel a lot less valuable, there would be less reason to make something out of your life in the now, because you can always do it later.
@hostomelhorsehoarder
@hostomelhorsehoarder Месяц назад
@@gorn5264 but this is very philosophically complicated as I said
@gorn5264
@gorn5264 Месяц назад
@@hostomelhorsehoarder Well, you can do everything later, sure, but there are things that we want to do SOONER. We don't put off something that we want to do, right? Life, where you can do only the things you want without harming yourself or anyone is literally heaven
@RQAlice
@RQAlice Месяц назад
I got major Azathoth vibes from the being "The Long Quiet".
@carabarabonanza
@carabarabonanza 24 дня назад
Holy shit this is an amazing deep dive! Awesome job Captain C: o7
@Princess-Pointless-Dump
@Princess-Pointless-Dump 23 дня назад
o7
@gorn5264
@gorn5264 Месяц назад
To be fair, The Narrator is a hero no matter how you view the story, simply because of the nature of infinity. The "Resume the cycle of creation and destruction" and "restart the Construct" endings are essentially the same. How? If you cast a dice infinite amount of times, what is a chance of you rolling a specific value? 100%. It doesn't matter what value you pick and how many sides this die has, everything will happen, simply because of the nature of infinity. And creation of The Construct is possible, so it will happen again and again and again. Now, the problem is that there is an ending where everything gets destroyed. "Refusing to go to the cabin" leads to an end of all worlds. And, as we know, if something CAN happen it WILL happen as long as the cycle exists. The only way to save the world from self-destruction is to break the cycle. To kill the Princess. Otherwise, there will be other Constructs and one of them may be created by someone who WANTS the world to end. So, no matter what your opinion on The Narrator and death is, He is doing the good thing
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
So your entire point is the presumption that even if you free the Princess and a new universe is born, a different guy would trap you again and then this will happen again and simply, because the Narrator was first he is a hero? That’s a HUGE leap of logic
@gorn5264
@gorn5264 Месяц назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3u Nope, not because He is the first, but because His actons directly prevent otherwise inevitable self-destruction of the multiverse. And "presumption" isn't really the right term for math and basic logic
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
@@gorn5264presumption was absolutely the right word for the logic ,,even if you free her a new guy will take his role” and it’s not basic logic, it’s literally speculation, also he prevents the death of his people, but also says ,,F*CK YOU” to future generations that won’t be born if his plan succeeds
@gorn5264
@gorn5264 Месяц назад
@@user-fl3oc1bw3u "it’s not basic logic, it’s literally speculation". Can The Construct be crated? Yes, we literally start the game in it. What happens if you toss a dice infinite amount of times? You will get each result on it, moreso, you will get them infinite amount of times each. Thus, in infinite amount if Universes, The Construct will get created infinite amount of times. "F*CK YOU” to future generations that won’t be born if his plan succeeds". Change still exists without TSM. It is evident by TLQ freeing himself after slaying TSM. If there is no change, The Construct couldn't have been destroyed. Simple as that. And TLQ represents "creation", because TSM represents the "destruction" part of the Cycle. As such. there is no reason to believe that no one can be born
@user-fl3oc1bw3u
@user-fl3oc1bw3u Месяц назад
@@gorn5264and what’s your guarantee that in the second universe another guy would think ,,hey what if I trap these two gods together and tell one of them to kill the other” this is pure speculation, not to mention the construct is literally the body of the Long Quiet and I doubt that he, with no erased memory, would just say ,,Yeah let’s kill my wife” Most of change is still gone, I don’t know how even if someone is born he/she will grow without progress, that was the whole dilemma in the first place, would you kill death with change or let her exits with change
@Yuti640
@Yuti640 9 дней назад
The Narrator attempts to make The Long Quiet percieve The Princess in an extremely specific way. But, by being cut from the same cloth, The Long Quiet is able to think, to change, and thus is able to percieve the princess in his own way, that is the mistake the narrator made, giving the cut off piece of The Long Quiet the ability to think But it may have been an inevitability, The Long Quiet in its whole is change, you can't seperate it from what it is no matter how fragmented you make it. But you also can't make it die without it being the catalyst to destroy itself, since only it can cause change. The very nature of The Long Quiet needing to cause its own change was the Narrator's plan and downfall.
@egekahraman8985
@egekahraman8985 Месяц назад
the youtube video essayist germ is spreading but anyways great video. you clearly did your research and didnt misrepresent the nuanced nature of the narrator. he is neither a saint nor evil. he is just a terrified human doing its best to survive and make the world better
@sirei01
@sirei01 Месяц назад
So, the narrator is Emet-Selch from FFXIV. That's really sad and tragic.
@BobMcBobJr
@BobMcBobJr Месяц назад
I definitely see a missed opportunity for the narrator to achieve his goal here. If the Long Quiet had focused his energy only on keeping the souls that were alive, well, still alive, then as the pure force of eternal stagnation he likely would have have been able to keep that one thing from ever changing while the Shifting Mounds nature took everything else eventually. I see essentially a reincarnation cycle, not entirely unlike the construct, except with new ever changing worlds to keep each cycle fresh. The Mound would likely TRY to end these souls but of the two the Quiet seems to be the stronger of the two gods, since he even has the option to kill her. Then comes the question of "could he do this forever?" I think yes. He the god of things unchanging and while the ragged cut leads to him being unhappy with "everything" eternally unchanging, to have just this one thing unchanging would be more in line with his being than simply joining the Mound in the "good' ending.
@Frescko
@Frescko Месяц назад
I wholeheartedly believe the Narrator is Right, the Princess is literally the incarnation of Human Suffering.
@jacobhederstrom8198
@jacobhederstrom8198 Месяц назад
i am against him. however it is mainly because i feel his plan being rather "shortsighted". we need to get rid of death, this will make the world better, can you not see this, along with his refusal to properly elaborate when challenged gives me the feeling that he just wants it gone and has given no thought of the consequenses. i have not seen the updates but based on some dialouge with the mound it would seem that suffering would be yeeted alongside death should he succed (but i personally doubt it), so that does ease some of it. yet there is still the sense of a compleate and total lack of what else would happen, how life in general would be affected, would thing still grow in size and grow old, could things still wither, could living things still procreate, will there even be anymore living things in this new world? i question him not because i disagree but i want to know if he has any ideas for what will come next and all i get is "that world will not have death, therefore it is automaticly better". i would prefer a bit more than that when i am supposed to remove such a seemingly fundemental part of existance from existance.
@acrellama
@acrellama Месяц назад
I just started the vid and had to comment; narrator my crush 😊
@avfxz
@avfxz Месяц назад
more vids like this
@vavadadeur150
@vavadadeur150 Месяц назад
To bad bro is not the cheater
@ArabianLofiGirl
@ArabianLofiGirl Месяц назад
مادة جيدة والفيديو
@average_gaalsien_fan
@average_gaalsien_fan Месяц назад
Make the narrator play outer wilds
@permafrost7875
@permafrost7875 7 дней назад
I feel that the narrator is a foolish and stubborn and very scared man. Ultimately, that is the summation of who the narrator is, he is someone so afraid of death, that he is willing to eliminate change itself and leave the world to stagnation. He only sees life through a narrow black and white lens, with no room for grey, death is bad, and that is all it can be, and in that he is so painfully mortal, and cannot change his mind for anything because he is so stubborn that he would shatter himself into pieces than to live in a world where death happens, because to him death is all suffering. And change causes death so change causes suffering. So he leads half of a god to kill the other half that he impisoned, all 3 in fractured pieces, as slowly the now 2 gods piece themselves together from broken perspectives, unbeknownst to him. And in that he is tragic, but maybe he finds relief in the end.
@layfe
@layfe Месяц назад
are you actually british 😢
@Deflamed_Sphere
@Deflamed_Sphere Месяц назад
ooooooooooh an analysis for Narrator? Thank you!
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