We thank God that South Africa is very rich when it comes to black professionals and we are capable to change south Africa to be what we want it to be.
plenty money landed in cadre coffers from the land story , if a full audit was done you will find that many of the land owners never received the amount stipulated , plenty was siphoned off by your cadres , also the single farmer was targeted and the corporates that own most of the land were left alone
@@JabulaniMathuthu No proof is needed. Proof is only obtained if a person is charged. You know for sure that all Anc leaders linked with Thabo Mbeki ang Cyril Ramaphosa will never be charged even if Public Protector and Commission if enqiury implicates them i.e Ramaphosa was implicated by Public Protector on CR 17 and also in Bosas through his Son Andile and also in Zondo Commission Brain Molefe and Matela Koko produced evidence of Ramaphosa dealings with WMC through Glencoe and also evidence implicating Popo Molefe who was Chairperson of Eskom board where donations from Eskom were channeled to his Foundation. You must also go gogle shares owned by Zanele Mbeki in WMC companies. How she obtained those shares?. Please stop being bias here inorder to liberate ourselves from these Anc leaders who claimed to be Anc Veterans yet most are the biggest Sellout
The land question for black people of South Africa is a big joke, no government will do it until people on the ground make it a possibility...a true REVOLUTION!!!
I have read both books " The Land Is Ours" and " Land Matters" very informative and very courageous of the author in exposing the truth when we see some are selling out. And again he speaks a lot of sense. Mayibuye
If it were the other race, they would take action after discussing their common problem, like coming up with Afriforum or similar practical solutions. But here, people are just clapping hands, and the SPEAKER will be praised for being intelligent, as if merely discussing the issue well is an achievement. No wonder Thabo Mbeki likes these kinds of setups, and hence he is regarded as the most intelligent politician-for doing nothing, just speaking well of our problems. 😁😂 Check comments!!
If there is such a problem over land and causing fights, why dont the farmers share the land and let those work on that land and receive profits off that land.
The constitution is supposed to be changed to enable farm and mine workers to own shares from farming and mining production, but people like these specials guests will oppose that and they'll call it "nonsense" in protection of minority red "white" monopoly of everything in our country. One day black people will realize that we are being sold out by these so-called scholars. Dangerous and poisonous people.
This land issue is so painful and so yet complicated that it is fitting that this video ends in a laugh. We have over-diagnosed the problem but when it comes to the solution, none are at hand. Our constitution itself is null and void. It exists to maintain the status quo. That is, it asserts that stolen land will remain in the hands of the thieves. Therefore, as apolitical as I am, I agree with the EFF's position that all land should be nationalised; and leased to legal entities. Land claims are corrupt. The current configuration is corrupt. Government is corrupt. And wealth is winning and the expense of a poor populace. Now is the time to come up with solutions. So if you disagree with my proposal please be sure to state your superior alternative for consideration. But this; including the party system, is not working for us. It is an imposed system that we did not agree with and it has to change. When the time comes for me to occupy land I will occupy forcefully and we can rightfully fight it to the death if you say it isn't mine.
As an alternative to the party system I would suggest something similar to what OHM proposes. That we vote for laws and policies directly. Instead of voting for the parties who get people (MPs) to vote for the laws. When we vote for a party we are giving our vote away to the party, and have no control thereafter. That's why the rich sponsor all political parties then form lobby groups to control them from the inside and ultimately have their way. Politics is wasteful, inefficient and inherently corrupt. Every law should have a sunset cause and we should vote for if we want to continue with it, end it or change it. And we should vote for a president. Our votes should have the power of shareholder votes in public companies. But our votes currently have very little to no power at all
They negotiated with the leadership of the ANC not the people of South Africa,so umhlaba wethu siyawfuna PCC aluta kontinua forward ever backward never viva Mkhonto
Zuma had opposition, slow downs by right wing faction. As you say, Mandela & Mbeki era Billions were wasted. Pointless to pay a lot, and distribute very little. Zuma & MKP / EFF is committed to Land re-distribution. They don't have the internal opposition, and looting by ANC
LOL, Zuma got the ANC to defend him on Nkandla same as Ramaphosa is doing with Phalaphala. If he genuinely wanted land reform he could have similarly got the ANC to defend, he had the constitution to support it. Don't allow yourself to be fooled
I like your knowledge of this land issue You right they failed to move forward Take 60 billion x 9 years under Jacob Zuma you would have spent 540 billion You would have land for blacks You would in some cases court fight to expropriate some land And keep going forward and spend 60 billion a year We would have this issue under control in land for town ships/ urban areas / farming and so
At this time we were not been discussed the issue of land course land was a centre of our revolution we never fought for this nonsense of democracy, we were fighting for land
I will share this experience with you people in Southern Africa. My family has been building sizable residential and commercial facilities in the Caribbean, including Haiti from before any African “country” gained independence! We built/build for European people to this day, but 15 years ago we worked on a contract with the Angolan government to build 20,000 homes for its citizens. Part of our plan was to transfer western/American technology to the Angolan people, as we have been trained at the best engineering and architectural universities in the USA. However, in the end, the Angolan government gave the contract to a Chinese company, as we refused to go along with the increasing bribes, as the Angolan leadership involved in the negotiations kept pushing the unit price up to 5 times the initial price, so they could all get “their” share, at the expense of the citizens! This is Africa, and the black African boys that think they run things there, although, compared to their colonial masters, they continue to only eat crumbs off the breakfast table!
What I fail to understand is the punishment they have impuned on black farmers who bought their land. Totally neglected by land reform administrators eventhough policy is inclusive. They choose to focus on state land. Now that the state is transferring land, after spending millions on those farms whilst they were concerned of private owners that they will sell their farms as they don't have control over them. So, let's see who is most likely to sell whilst majority on private land are waiting to be assisted. Yes banks and sfis are there, requiring 10 % of the loan with a credit score of an executive whilst they are at farms struggling to make them successful same way that leased farmers were and yet it's not considered the same. The system fails those who helped themselves when things were cheap. Forgetting that the state escalated prices of farms by stepping into the arena of being a buyer.
I have no doubt in my mind that as a country we have great minds that know the source of our problems and equally have solutions. I can't stop listening to this guy...
Ramapromise is not interested in rural land distribution , South Africa has gone the same way as ZANU PF went in being a total failure to manage land distribution responsibly ... they have left it to JZ and MK party and the EFF.
U don't even know what u a talking abt. Zuma was president for 2 terms and he accomplished nothing regarding the land....so dream on if u think politicians will.solve the land issue...it's their ticket to continue fooling u that they will do something
If the government want control of all land Then I see they want the mineral right so they can sell it off to new foreign people The day to day black low income workers need to have a promise to get a home Natal created two Indian communities Let’s creat house for the working day to day black people just like that Take or buy land at a fixed market price close to cities to make it happen Or move out of town but create a rail system just to serve that need to get to work and home for free for being out of town limits Don’t delay move forward
The anc president past must be held responsible for this lack of will to solve this issues of land Now we sit with one of these past president making this land issue one of his pillars but in his 9 years he didn’t do anything 😂😂😂😂 Why follow him today wake up follow someone new who is going to do something
Land is the plastic carrot, you can promise it for ever, the bigger the better, land for everyone, line up,its being dished out .... .after the next elections.big plastic carrots is land.
@@davidmkefa4188 obviously ur biased as he is. That man comes with a mentality that the left is always guilty. His attitude stinks. He cudnt question the speculation and lies of the matriculant minister of public works.
I have a deep deep pain when it comes to matters in my country but daily I mask it numb it try not to voice it where at the stage now in society where divergence of opinion could cost you a lot as a normal citizen
To say that property rights are not important is blatantly ridiculous and let's how much more the economy gets trashed when you start taking people's property away from them.
I think you don't understand land expropriation and land restitution,go and read the legislation and the policies surrounding these laws including the constitution. Because now you have a very distorted idea of land expropriation and restitution.
@@WesleyBaartman Well why haven't they done it then if it's such a smart idea. You cannot legislate your way out of chaos because just because that's what you want.
@@joesmalley397 this is not to brag or put you down, I wouldn't encourage someone to go and read anything if I didn't already study or read it. I studied land law, constitutional law, property law and I am currently practicing as a candidate Attorney. Please go and find out what is reasons behind expropriation of land, and not what some politicians are saying but go and do actual reading. Remember when after world war 2 how the Jews and the Japanese was paid reparations and was rebuilt, now that we claim reparations and rebuilding, people use scare tactics that the economy will collapse, why didn't the economies of those countries that helped rebuild and restore Europe collapse and for this reason I am saying your statement is uninformed and distorted.
@@WesleyBaartman I hear exactly what you are saying but the simple reality is if land is expropriated in SA the rest of the world will immediately think Zimbabwe and the economy will collapse. All we know of Southern Africa is Zimbabwe. I hear it time and time again and have american friends who say that the blacks have been the only ones to not get reparations and I understand the sentiment but unfortunately it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work is the economies of Europe, Japan and Israel all had populations within those countries were experienced in running a fully industrialised economy and did just that even after their countries had been destroyed. You have to accept that you could not start appropriating land for example in Limpopo and then hand it all out to the Tswana as what would clearly happen is they would turn to subsistence farming and the economy would collapse. The reasons for redistributing land are valid and correct, you cannot move the majority of the population onto pretend reservations and then expect them to not expect their land back after the fall of the government. What I'm saying is unfortunately is the concept of redistributing land doesn't work unless it is a tiny, tiny proportion of that land to genuine career farmers who happen to be black, and that isn't what the likes of the EFF or the ANC allude to.
@@joesmalley397I am saying this with the most humble respect, the more you speak the more obvious your ignorance become, your knowledge of land expropriation is extremely narrow, you mentioned the EFf and the ANC and if people hear Southern Africa they think Zimbabwe, and that is just another confirmation of your narrow minded approach in addressing this issue. So let us come up with well thought out solutions to the problems of our time, but you just wrote almost two of utmost nonsense and rubbish, so please go and read and read, leave the opinions of the ignorant Americans their society is busy collapsing because of all those ignorant thoughts they have of other countries
Listen to understanf and not with an intention to attack without having understood what is being said, the guy says the first 10 years of the ANC rule they were doing good on land redistribution and then from there , meaning during the second term of President Mbeki , the ANC dropped the ball, which is to say Mbeki also dropped during His second term in office, so tell Me how is this guy being Mbeki's praise singer???
A million thanks for this content and the Advocate's profound reflections on land issues. What he missed,is to frankly put the following facts; 1.White settlers robbed the land of the indigenous South Africans and they are still refusing to give it back. 2.South African current government of the AnC deliberately continue to purposely use this bias constitution, which is against the indigenous South Africans in favour of the settlers' offspring. 3. The AnC executive arm of the state is deliberately avoiding to correctly deal with the land issues. Thus,promoting all the negative perceptions about it's governance. What the AnC is showing is, who exactly this AnC stand for, when it comes to whose interests the AnC is serving. Once again, thanks so much.
Fact's over feelings,refute his statements ....we don't have time for blind affiliations..."captured" because he is not a blind Zuma follower ???prove him wrong by fact's not feelings you can't prove
What happened to the farms that was given to the blacks? NOTHING ! Land needs to be worked on! You cannot be lazy and claim poor. Why dont you speak about that.? Land by farmers was paid with bonds, loans from a bank. As wll as other properties. Nothing s Mahala
But the protagonists of apartheid took away this land forcefully which is still heritage that rightfully belongs to native South Africans. Ones that did not have to disposes others. It is not a freebie but a right. It should be returned at no cost
You are quick to blame ANC and state all these things: inecusable and the like! But the fundsmental thing to do as an analyst if you are indeed,is to ask! What is going to happen to this land? The answer lie in Ace Magashule’s nephew ! Given land in Free State where he left the land in dire distitute livestock dead! So MR let us tell you “YOU LOST IT“ The 60 million you're refering to is lost to failed programs ! I was wondering if you were not going to mention zuma! I was really surprise? Because every one of you people take advantage of this name zuma to leverage yourself ! Funny you pinpoint malnutrition ! Very funny! And i find it obzurd because in apartheid era, children were not getting school meals and they were not dying ! Ehy are they dying now! Yours is just to PAINT ANC Government BLACK! You might think you have succeeded! But i urge you to think twice...
 You have to put hearing aid! If you're not able to hear what i said? Its a bit problematic, and you never gonna hear anything , either than zuma’s and her daughter duduzile’s voices,
Who should finance those payments? It should certainly not be from our taxes. You cannot tax the dispossessed to compensate the one who benefits from the proceeds of apartheid (crime) so that they can share some of their ill gotten proceeds.
He talked nonsense we are here because of Thabo Mbheki even the todays ANC problem is him with his utterance now you blame Zuma and Rama useless comments, shameless lair
The anc president past must be held responsible for this lack of will to solve this issues of land Now we sit with one of these past president making this land issue one of his pillars but in his 9 years he didn’t do anything 😂😂😂😂 Why follow him today wake up follow someone new who is going to do something
