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In this episode of Ancient Greece Revisited, we delve into the heart of Athens during its Golden Age, exploring the poignant Funeral Oration delivered by Pericles in 431 BC. This speech, a testament to the beauty of democracy, was manipulated by the Nazi party in 1939, altering its essence with just a few subtle changes. Join us as we unravel the truth behind this immortal document, and reflect on the enduring legacy of ancient Athens and its unique form of government. From the battlefield to the courtrooms and theatre festivals, discover how the citizens of Athens embodied the spirit of democracy in their everyday lives.
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Writer and Presenter - Michalis Michailidis
Director/Cinematographer/Editor - Adam Petritsis
Music - Penny Biniari

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@ibrahimyusuf6811
@ibrahimyusuf6811 11 месяцев назад
The only "problem" with this channel is that you should make videos more often. Love from Albania to Greek neighbors
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
We are trying… Greetings Neighboor
@jupitersstring2823
@jupitersstring2823 11 месяцев назад
Agreed
@piotrilja9211
@piotrilja9211 11 месяцев назад
The smartest Greeks such as Socrates, Plato, Aristole and many more hated democracy. The closest to Platos utopia in The Republic of modern times would have been the NSDAP
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
Don’t be so quick in your judgment. Plato may have had his reasons (see the death of Socrates), but Aristotle gives at least a “nod” to Democracy. Also, what you must remember is that Plato was not your typical Greek, and much of his thinking is almost “anti-Greek” as strange as it may sound. It’s typical of the West though, to produce thinkers that turn against their culture. “Woke culture” is a modern example.
@jakobartmann4671
@jakobartmann4671 11 месяцев назад
Aristophanes too
@maddysinclair5232
@maddysinclair5232 28 дней назад
Really engaging and thought provoking video. Ancient Athens continues to fascinate so many today. I had seen the connection between the Third Reich and the militaristic, state run life of Sparta but had no idea the Nazi's used a speech from Pericles to justify their aims. The discussion on what the word "city " actually meant in Ancient Athens is very poignant. Thank you.
@XXfea
@XXfea 11 месяцев назад
FANTASTIC! 🎉🎉🎉🎉 More please..
@M4rco4ntonioH4
@M4rco4ntonioH4 11 месяцев назад
We are very privileged to have the chance of learning with AGR videos. Greetings from Brazil/Portugal.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
Thank you deeply
@BamBoJam
@BamBoJam 8 месяцев назад
Love your channel! Just want to mention that your facial similarities to that of Aristotle is striking 😅
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 7 месяцев назад
Hahaha, I was always told that I "look like an ancient Greek." I guess it took me 40 years to do something about it.
@Catonius
@Catonius 11 месяцев назад
Good video and the comments section is full of conviction from all sides.
@michellem7290
@michellem7290 10 месяцев назад
Excited for more great content! Always helps to hear some perspective especially with regards to American democracy. But I would like to add is that modern socialists in the US reject the Soviet system as just more autocratic feudalism in a different form, and what they advocate for (at least the ones I am aware of) is democracy in the workplace (without having to fight the often futile battle of creating a workers union). So in that sense I would argue they are actually trying to make America more democratic and like the Athenian ideal than it is now (especially when you consider our extensive problems with corruption)
@user-nu9xi4om3o
@user-nu9xi4om3o 11 месяцев назад
Τhe fate of heroes is tradegy. Μου αρέσει, ακούγεται αληθινό.
@MateuszRura
@MateuszRura 11 месяцев назад
Mixing historical context with modern, personal views is very weak move, propaganda style. No matter the opinion on someone and their politics, saying something like "She's German therefore..." is invalid as an argument. Adding Stalin seems involuntary ironic as it is exactly the same move as non-democratic, autoritarian leaning states are using to discredit their opponents.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
Well, we have our reasons. First, because we **do** believe that Europe is sliding into totalitarianism. Second, because Ursula von der Leyen is the epitomy of this move. When she was greeted during her inaugural speech by no other than Klaus Schwab, she replied by saying that "following the presidential term of Donald Trump, we [I guess she meant Eurocrats] feared about the future of Democracy." Now, there is something deeply ironic about that, that unfortunately few even got! The fact that an UNELECTED bureaucrat "fears" for the future of Democracy because of her dislike towards a legally elected president, is beyond ridicule. Germany was indeed leading the EU for a very long time, and there were a few here in Greece that saw this as a kind of a "Fourth Reich." I understand there are many conspiracy theories about this, and about how Germany's leaders following the war orchistracted a takeover of Europe by economic means, and we must certanly guard against it. Yet, conspiracy theories are at least indicative of a general feeling within society, and in this case, there is trutly something to back this feeling up.
@MateuszRura
@MateuszRura 11 месяцев назад
The thing is... it's irrelevant as it has nothing to do with the subject of the video which is misuse of ancient tradition by Nazi regime. But at the same time it's doing similar thing. The part I mentioned is put there just to show and justify your believes. That is why this video seems to me as propaganda piece masked as critique of propaganda. You can believe whatever you like, it doesn't matter to me however I would suggest starting "Bad Eurocrats" channel for that. Some vids on this channel are very fascinating and well done, but it looks as if this one is somewhat manipulative which is a shame.
@merc-bt7il
@merc-bt7il 11 месяцев назад
...not fully sure what you're trying to get at, your presentation is somewhat convoluted. 'Misuse' is inevitable when we're talking about a mass movement (in an age of mass movements) employing the rhetoric of a city state of few thousand citizens. In actuality, compared to Ancient Greece Nazis seem tame both in their racism and their capacity for violence, but if anyone can claim a spiritual affinity to the ancient world, that's 19thC to 1945 Germany, Nazis included.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
What we tried to convey is that we misunderstand the very civilization that we claim as our basis. Simple words like “the City” are hardly translatable, let alone deeper and more mystical ones like Hubris. It’s kind of like misunderstanding your parents, it matters. Now, the Greeks were no more or less racist than any other people in the Ancient World. Surely the Nazis would look “normal,” but that is only because they explicitly tried to copy parts of this world, which is why they also appeared so awkward. And yes, there was a spiritual affinity to the Greeks, but the Nazis represented its most primitive version, while Heidegger stood firmly on the other pole.
@jakobartmann4671
@jakobartmann4671 11 месяцев назад
​@@AncientGreeceRevisitedHeidegger was in fact a Nazi. What is so Greek about a nihilist who says the meaning of life is death? Most German thinkers, artists, generals and politicians hated Nazism. Most of them were Christians who thought the Nazis were destroying German culture and tradition, which was far from resembling pagan Greece on the one hand or totalitarian statism on the other.
@MrFredstt
@MrFredstt 10 месяцев назад
@@AncientGreeceRevisited Could you describe Heidegger in more detail? Or if you have made a video already I would like to watch it. Also, I always assumed the Nazis looked to Greece as most Western countries did but alas American schools aren't great at teaching about them in depth so I'm surprised to see how much they actually copied from Greece and the ancient world
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 10 месяцев назад
@@MrFredstt Heidegger tried to get to a different starting place from the one that gave birth to modern civilisation. So, before the Enlightenment, essentially. His understanding of truth took the Greek etymology of "alethea" (αλήθεια) as "non-forgetting," or simply "remembering." This is much in line with Plato, who comes later, of course, but still retains the pre-modern understanding. I would recommend starting from this book: his lectures on Plato's Cave and the meaning of "Truth." That's what I did and it served me well.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 10 месяцев назад
@@jakobartmann4671Heidegger was a complex figure, and his Nazism was not that of the uneducated "brute." What he craved for, I believe, is what an entire generation of Germans craved: an escape from the modern condition. It's no coincidence that Romanticism was actually born in Germany, and Isaiah Berlin thought that this was because Germany was a (relatively) "young nation." Ironically, and I say that because those two could not agree on much else, is that Leo Strauss **also** believe the same about why Germany rejected modernity. He has a great essay that he delivered as a lecture in 1940 in the US called "German Nihilism," where Nihilism was - at the time - another word for Nazism. There is explains that while "most Germans" where Catholics opposed to Nazi ideology - like you said. The young were different. And they considered themselves "sons a daughters of goddless men' to quote him directly. Think about this statement for a moment.
@keenanarthur8381
@keenanarthur8381 11 месяцев назад
When I think of hubris, I think of Creon in Antigone, who was more of a tyrant than a hero. There are plenty of racist and/or tyrannical politicians in nominal democracies also.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
But that is the most telling example of Hybris. Think of Hercules and how he died, and think whether he "deserved" this death in any way (most would say no). Think of Milo of Croton, think of the tyrant Polycrates (of Samos) and how **he** died. All those examples are telling about the fact that Hybris is much more than the "sin of pride" as many think. It's in the essence of human nature, or in the very fabric of the universe. Watch our episodes called "Limitless" for more...
@keenanarthur8381
@keenanarthur8381 11 месяцев назад
@@AncientGreeceRevisited I'll check them out. The universe has its own ego, a power that self-identifies with it. The former neo-nazi and Greek translator David Myatt wrote a lot about hubris in his book The Numinous Way of Pathei-Mathos, mostly from the perspective of someone who has suffered due to prideful behavior
@j.langer5949
@j.langer5949 4 месяца назад
Pericles' speech was published in the Third Reich, that's true. Polis in it was translated as state and not as city or municipality, but in German this was the traditional mode of translation (so it wasn't misuse as the author of the video claims). This supposedly turned the speech into a defense of Nazism, which strikes me as a rather crazy claim, and that's because in Nazism the constructive category is not the state, but the nation. I suppose the reason Pericles was translated by National Socialists was more the ethos of heroism and self-sacrifice for the community (or general admiration for the Pericles era, see Mein Kampf).
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 4 месяца назад
The fact that translating City as “state” was customary means nothing. A objective translator would have changed this “linguistic habit” to demonstrate that Greek terms like City carried different meanings. As for the second claim, the Nation was CLAIMED to be the constructive category, but a nation is not defined racially and contains a plurality of people. The American nation for instance may have had an Anglo-Saxon base but included Germans, Irish, Italians etc. The German “nation” during the 3rd Reich was redefined as a racial category. Don’t be naive about translators, like everything else, their work is more political than first meets the eye.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 4 месяца назад
The fact that translating City as “state” was customary means nothing. A objective translator would have changed this “linguistic habit” to demonstrate that Greek terms like City carried different meanings. As for the second claim, the Nation was CLAIMED to be the constructive category, but a nation is not defined racially and contains a plurality of people. The American nation for instance may have had an Anglo-Saxon base but included Germans, Irish, Italians etc. The German “nation” during the 3rd Reich was redefined as a racial category. Don’t be naive about translators, like everything else, their work is more political than first meets the eye.
@j.langer5949
@j.langer5949 4 месяца назад
@@AncientGreeceRevisited You fixate on one word completely ignoring the merits of the argument and the context. As for the terms, you're not right on that either. A nation is etymologically a group of people who are united by a common ancestry (blood), language, history, etc (Herodotus' definition). So nation implied race/ethnicity long before the Third Reich. There is no re-categorization by the Germans here, as you are deceptively trying to imply.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 4 месяца назад
@@j.langer5949Does what you just wrote apply to the American Nation?
@j.langer5949
@j.langer5949 4 месяца назад
@@AncientGreeceRevisitedYou mean the U.S.? I don't consider the U.S. a nation, but a state. State and nation are two different concepts.
@logistikon5814
@logistikon5814 11 месяцев назад
Peak normie tier.
@piotrilja9211
@piotrilja9211 11 месяцев назад
Exactly. Hes not aware of who his fanbase is or what
@dirksharp9876
@dirksharp9876 11 месяцев назад
That last bit was interesting.
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
What exactly is my fan base? :-) Julius Evola readers?! If so they should wonder as to why we haven’t done a video on him (although, ironically, he is mentioned in this video).
@logistikon5814
@logistikon5814 11 месяцев назад
@@AncientGreeceRevisited For what other reason would you market your videos and articles in groups associated with the Trad. school?
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 11 месяцев назад
@@logistikon5814 Good point. So, here is the thing… I was definitely involved with the traditionalist school, until I discovered Leo Strauss. Because what Strauss gave me was a clarified version of the views that traditionalists are entangling in mysticism. What traditionalists take for granted, Strauss places in a spectrum of possibilities with pros and cons, and that is much more helpful in placing ourselves in that spectrum and understand our spiritual and political situation. Both schools touch on similar issues, and if you ever read Strauss’ “German Nihilism,” a speech he delivered in 1940, you can see that he was close to Evola’s critique of Fascism “from the Right.” But without the emotional mumbo jumbo! So, I have left one point of view for another.
@JohnSmith-en6ev
@JohnSmith-en6ev 5 месяцев назад
Germans.... 😢
@AncientGreeceRevisited
@AncientGreeceRevisited 5 месяцев назад
:-)
@trench01
@trench01 11 месяцев назад
Every nation misuse what the Ancient Greeks say from every nation every church even the Greek Orthodox church. Greeks made the republic and democracy but both misused. Clement of Alexandria's Stromateis "the Apostle Paul says: 'Take also the Greek Bibles, know the Sibyl, who declares one God and the future, and you will find our Lord Jesus Christ written more clearly.'" ""why should I linger over the barbarians, when I can adduce the Greeks...holy Apostle Paul says" All Ancient Greek words and letters have meaning. Greek has the oldest text in the world over 7000 years with one example is the dispilio table. Origins of the alphabet Example Θ Θεός (theos=God)=theology, theolatry, theosophy, etc, etc ΘΕΟΣ=GREEK GOD = What I see, feel, touch, smell, understand create] words: theater, theatrical, theamatic, theatrics, The problem with today's man is how to understand the difference between God and religion: (First we have to analyze the word "GOD" the word god comes from the ancient Greek word THAO (ΘΑΟ) that means I see and understand that I am the viewer of things and since I am an intelligent person I understand my environment, I study I learn we are wise and do so at will so the people themselves were called "THEOI=GODS" by the word ΘΑΟ created the words " θεατής viewer , θέατρο theater, θαυμάζω admire, θεωρώ sagest, etc.," they stood up and reviewed the facts and came to conclusion that no creature on earth is superior to them, for this they called them selves Θεοί (=Gods), the word «ΘΕΟΣ» (=God) meaning MAN because man is the only creature on earth to use logic and thorough knowledge can reach God (=logic), the word ΘΕΟΣ is a replacement of the ancient word «ΘΑΩ» meaning broad vision and mind, and did not resemble the God we know today. Long before the floods (cataclysm) they created the 12 Gods of Olympus (=heavens). As professor Fr Metallenos says "Christianity is a spiritual continuation of Hellenism, in almost everything... the sequence from Zeus to Jesus" "The so-called gods of Olympus were believed to be all children of the one and only god, Zeus, and constituted a kind of numerous Holy Family or eleven (+1) Saints." Which is why Apostle John & James father name was Zebedeos (Ζεβ+εδαίος from Zeus+Ideal)." One does not have a name praising the other religions God. "The first concerns the idiomatic expression "Son of God" which Jesus often attributes to himself. According to the author, the word Θεός is an anti-loan of the Latin word Deus, which comes from the Greek Δεὺς (gen. Διὸς) or Μεὺς. So when Jesus identifies himself as "Son of God", he does not mean essentially anything more than that he is "Son of Zeus". In the same way, the word "ἀμὴν", which Jesus uses many times to oppose his teaching to that of the Pharisees, is nothing more than a coded version of Ammon Zeus: "Because the Greeks of Egypt, with whom Christ was associated with when he lived in Egypt, they called Zeus Amen or Amen, the final conclusion emerges after certainty that the Amen of the Gospels is the name of Zeus in its Egyptian version"." Which is why professor of theology Luke Filis of the theological school of the university of Athens "the language of the Greek "New Testament" comes linguistically and ideologically from the venue of Greek thinking and intellect and it is composed in order to be a complete ideology, with the pure Greek way of wording" & how the Greek ideas and words of that Jesus used, got completely twisted throughout the years to represent something different and foreign to the original meaning and purpose."
@stowlicters8362
@stowlicters8362 11 месяцев назад
chrsitianity is not a continuation of White religions. also there was no global flood.
@ibrahimyusuf6811
@ibrahimyusuf6811 11 месяцев назад
Can you give any author or reference or book about monotheism in ancient greek religion/philosophy?
@j.langer5949
@j.langer5949 11 месяцев назад
Why misuse? Is there a manual for proper "use"? And besides, the ancient pre-Socratic Greeks lived in a world that was built on the aestheticization of power. In this respect, NS Germans were very comparable. Dialectic at the expense of power, dominance and expansion, this is the mentality of the Greeks in decline, when they began to concentrate mainly on rhetoric, dialectical nonsense and reason (''I know that I know nothing'' type of nonsense). That doesn't impress anyone.
@piotrilja9211
@piotrilja9211 11 месяцев назад
@@j.langer5949 Is your source on the greeks Nietzsche? because it sounds like it. The teacher of Alexander The Great, The king of kings and a demigod was Aristotle who was taught by Plato. How can you say Greece was in decline because of its thriving for reason and science such as the dialectic when this literally birthed the greatest conqueror of all times??
@j.langer5949
@j.langer5949 11 месяцев назад
@@piotrilja9211 I didn't get to the Greeks only through him, but you are bright, he influences my views. A wise man once said that philosophy is a sign of decline, because healthy generations do not need to be reminded of what is right - what is right they learn through blood and culture. Alexander was clearly more inspired by Homer than by Aristotle's philosophical reflections. I am not saying that Aristotle had no influence on him, but Alexander's actions speak for themselves. He was a lion and education wouldn't change that. Look at Seneca and Nero, how it turned out. Alexander was probably as much a "Platonist" as the conquistadors were "Christians". The Romans lived their best times full of passion and wolfish ferocity without the need to philosophize and analyze the causes of their actions. The whole world was afraid of them. On the contrary - decline occurred when the sons of Mars began to think about the value of others.
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