Andrew’s Spider-Man 

This was beautiful.

Indeed.

I really love how other Peters in NWH were used not just as fan service but an active and important part of the film's themes and overall story.

Tobey or Andrew. Pride or self-doubt. Revenge or despair. Tom's Spidey had to learn to take the middle road. To be self confident and just.

Well we don’t know if MCU is or isn’t depressed. I guess maybe depression for you is represented by whether Peter puts on the suit. I’m pretty sure MCU Peter is depressed af. I’d like to say you are right but Peter quite literally served the biggest punishment above Tobey and Andrew.

While I’m not a huge fan of Garfield’s, I love your breakdown of his Spider-Man/Peter Parker. My view on his take of Spider as well has improved since NWH.

@@thomask70 Likewise.

like everyone kinda knew it would happen but when it happened, WOW, what moment in history

I was the same. I stayed away from anything relating to Spiderman on the web. When the portal opened up I was like "Man so they are just gonna have Tom Holland come through it?" and then *boom* Nerdy little goosebumps. It really was such a great way, and how they made it matter, not just fan fare was spectacular.

Never thought about it but this is so true

Never thought of electro like that but it works it works really well

Interesting.

Problem is he DIDN’T get closure, just reassured, that’s why fans want more, and rightfully so

Indeed.

He's my favorite spider-man, too. I didn't grow up with him, I just love this version of him. A little jaded, a little arrogant, but the most relatable of any of them because of it. At least relatable to me, anyway. It's been nice to see the love after NWH.

I only ever heard from the internet how bad the TASM films were, until I watched them myself and quite enjoyed both

I grew up with Andrew's and I had no idea people hated them until I got really on the Internet. It made me so sad that people weren't willing to see a different interpretation of Peter. I understand how often times the writing was poor, but they were and are still super fun films to watch. :)

Me too I've always absolutely adored him as Peter Parker / Spider-Man.

The same thing happened with me! I watched both Spider-Man 3 and TASM 2 for No Way Home when for years I'd been hearing how bad they were. I thought Spider-Man 3 was okay. I didn't hate it, but a lot of aspects were disappointing. (Though I don't get why everyone complained about the Emo Dance; Bully Maguire is the best thing to come out of the whole movie). I was really worried about TASM 2, but I found I really enjoyed it. It's far from a perfect film, but as a Spider-Man movie it's a pretty good one

@@hunterlawrence3573 I think I avoided TASM2 cause I really liked TASM1 and while the movie was out I knew they were going to kill Gwen and I heard people say the film rushed the tragic moment where Gwen dies. I assumed it meant the impact wasn’t going to balance out the horrible event, but I think that notion was entirely incorrect. The introduction to Harry and the Green Goblin WAS rushed (in the comic Norman was a villain who Peter neglected outing and throwing in jail like he should have cause his best friend was Norman’s son and Norman had Green Goblin as an uncontrolled dissociative identity, making Gwen’s death Peter’s fault on more than one level) but the impact of the death was given adequate time and pathos. It was sudden and devastating… and frankly traumatic to watch and think about. In the comic, Gwen was unconscious for the moment she was thrown from the bridge and Peter was physically distant from her the moment she died. In TASM2 she’s conscious and aware and looking up at Peter desperately and terrified, seeing her life pass before her eyes, knowing that she’s about to die. Peter’s trauma and heartbreak was devastating and frankly insurmountable; so seeing her speech give him the strength to carry on was an incredible moment that showed how much she left an impact on him and Webb went out of his way to show how important Gwen was to him. I think the movie got as much hate as it did cause no one wanted Gwen to die (even comic fanboys who knew it would happen or fanboys who preferred Mary Jane, probably couldn’t help but feel upset by the end because the Webb Gwen was so effortless to love and Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield made the romance so believable) and it’s something that just doesn’t happen in superhero films. They never end on such a severely melancholy note and the love interest doesn’t die. It’s a huge risk thematically cause you leave the audience exiting the theater feeling heartbroken. And the response is unsurprising. I remember a similar thing happening with another movie I really enjoy (this one is more of a cult classic) Van Helsing since it too had the love story end in a tragic way. Perfectly solid movie, bad rep cause it ended as the hero mourned his lost love.

@@Nightman221k GOD Am almost crying reading your comment dude. Bravo

@@Nightman221k I agree with a lot of what you said. Honestly, I think the dumbest thing in TASM duloagy is that they had Peter make that promise to Captain Stacey and then killed Gwen in the sequel. They should’ve done one OR the other. They should NOT have done both. Gwen dying after her father’s last wish to protect her takes some of the focus away from where it should be, which is her own story. If Peter hadn’t been dating Gwen, she probably would’ve been there anyway to help defeat Electro, so the fact that they were together shouldn’t make a difference in that sense. Gwen died a hero; if not for her, hundreds of people would’ve died. Yet the movie never acknowledges that. Instead, because she died after Peter decided to break his promise, it looks like she died BECAUSE Peter broke his promise, which isn’t the case. Not only does it make Peter look like kind of a jerk, but it also undermines Gwen’s agency. You can’t necessarily blame Captain Stacey; he was protecting his daughter. But she’s right when she says it’s her choice whether or not she wants to take the risks. And it was her choice to risk her life helping Peter save the city. That promise makes it more about Peter’s actions than hers. I do think Gwen’s death, as well done as it was, likely contributed to the movie’s negative reception. As audiences we expect superhero movies to have happy endings. It’s part of the genre. Infinity War was able to end in defeat because it was the culmination of a decade of buildup. And at that point people knew the MCU well enough to realize that the story wasn’t actually over, even if the movie was. The Amazing Spider-Man 2, on the other hand, had to rush into a happy ending because the love interest just died and they couldn’t end the movie on a low note. Not only is Gwen’s death incredibly sad and a bit of a controversial decision, especially among those not familiar with the comics, but the span of time between that and the credits is the only portion of the movie I think is just plain bad. The closing, (I don’t know, 10 minutes, maybe?) leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Although I enjoyed everything leading up to that portion, I do think there are other problems with the film. But it’s easy for a bad ending to alter one’s perception of the entire movie, which I think is a major reason behind the film’s poor reception. But hey, the alternate version was even worse, so at least they didn’t use that. (Also, weirdly this film has no post credit scene, for some reason? They had so much to set up and so many story lines to follow up on. Post credit scenes are the perfect way to do that without affecting the main movie) Gwen’s death is really similar to Harry becoming the Green Goblin, for me. I knew both were going to happen before watching the film, yet I was rooting against those things so hard! Even if you already know it’s going to happen, Gwen’s death is so tragic because she had her whole life ahead of her. She was going to go to Oxford, have a life with Peter, continue being one of the best love interests of any superhero movie, etc. Then suddenly it was all gone. The same thing kinda happens with Harry. He discovered Oscorp’s secrets, he was horrified by what happened to Max, he was pretty much on the path to becoming one of the heroes. Then Oscorp (headcanon: it’s run by Hydra) frames him, and he accidentally turns himself into a monster. He’s probably the most underrated character in all the Spider-Man movies.

@@hunterlawrence3573 I agree with what you wrote and it was fun reading your observations. I personally feel like Marc Webb had something special with Andrew and Emma in the roles and it would've been a smarter decision to keep Gwen alive. It'd be a hard sell for any superhero movie to have two movies worth of investment in a romance only to try to move on in the next movie. I'm incredibly thankful they nixed Mary Jane from TASM2 for that reason. I liked just being able to focus on a couple I really liked without a replacement woman just waiting in the wings. I didn't think the 10 minutes of showing how Peter is paralyzed by loss was bad. But I guess that it would work better to focus fully on the hero being grief stricken enough to not continue life as a costumed hero. And I 100% agree with you about Gwen's heroism being sort of glossed over since she did give her life to save lives. Speaking of I really have trouble seeing TASM!Peter being able to believe he could have a girlfriend and be Spider-Man after Gwen was taken from him in such a sudden and traumatic way. He and Gwen were doing everything right. He was honest with her from the start, he tried to protect her, they worked together as a team to defeat the Lizard and Electro; then Harry (Peter's FRIEND, someone he never expected would be an enemy) showed up and killed her specifically to hurt Peter in the worst way. How could Peter expect that a future love could work out when Harry is still alive and no precautions he or Gwen could have prevented what happened? I personally think it'd just be nice to have a healthy couple as a superhero duo like how Gwen and Peter were. It's not really very common at all to see.

amen

I feel like at the very least Marc Webb should get to write a wrap up for his take on the character that focuses all of its attention on what he was planning to do in his continuations past TASM2. I loved what NWH accomplished for TASM's Spider-man but it wasn't a movie written for him and his universe.

@@Nightman221k or you know Give it to some other director that will do it justice

@@ninjanibba4259 his movies were good in spite of Sony demanding they put too many extraneous Easter eggs. All the parts with character focus were really good.

@@Nightman221k April Fools isn’t until the 1 of next month

Like by giving into revenge you lose what it means to be spider-man. killing him (tobey representing "the perfect spiderman" from andrew's middle child POV) in a way that wouldve looked very similar to how Ben dies

But a video about patterns

@@HeitorOliveiraJ its an inside joke, because he makes so much videos about trauma

@@_neon-xeon_3966 the guy you responded to just made a deeper inside joke

@@slade6959 can you elaborate? Idk, I just tried to explain it

@@_neon-xeon_3966 you made an inside joke yeah. But Heitor made one too cause all the videos are “videos about patterns” but it’s not as prevalent as “trauma”

@@Mephiestopholes how'd that get in there?

@@WaveWonder1 I'm a softy

All of the time by Go For Howell ft. Red revision

He is trying to do better...

You should try getting into some dc shows Instead of the movies or the animated dc movies those are great

Still doesn't stop me from crying from her done

That what makes her death even more sad, it was peter fault that she died.

@@infiniteapex8762 Did you not read what I wrote or watched the movie? She practically emotionally blackmailed him to let her stay and help. Since she demanded to be there she's also responsible for her own demise.