Uh oh! We realized we didn't calculate Android 18's speed correctly. - SPOILERS TO FOLLOW!! - She's actually much faster! While this doesn't affect the results, we'd still like to address this. She can actually travel over 15,300,000 miles per hour. Time to show our work! In Dragon Ball, measurable feats are few and far between. For "Goku VS Superman" we developed the Gravity Formula to determine Goku's potential based on gravity training at certain points in the series. It's not perfect or exact, but it's the closest we could get to something concrete while avoiding vague speculation. In the Buu saga near the end of DBZ, Goku at base wears weights equivalent to 586x gravity, so we can apply that as comparison for feats related to other gravity training periods. His flight over Snake Way after 10x gravity training clocked him at 6,800 mph. Thus, after training on Earth (1x gravity) before training with King Kai, he could theoretically move up to around 680 mph. If that seems slow to you, remember this is travel speed & not reaction time. In order to determine 18's speed, we can apply the same ideas. She's shown to be physically equal to Vegeta in first-grade Super Saiyan 1 form. She's likely superior, but the difference isn't very apparent and she primarily wins by tiring him out while relying on her unlimited energy source. While we are wary of rudimentary & unrestrained power scaling, Goku & Vegeta are clearly similar enough for us to directly compare without much concern. Prior to fighting 18, Vegeta's training capped at 450x gravity. (We can reasonably assume further gravity increases can be applied to second grade & full power SSJ1 forms, but that's unrelated to this.) Also, a Super Saiyan 1 transformation is well documented to increase a Saiyan's power 50 times that of their Base Form for the duration of the new form's use. Therefore, the formula is "680 mph x 50 x 450" (Base Saiyan speed at 1x gravity) x (Super Saiyan increase) x (Vegeta's max gravity training at the time) And this gives us the answer that Vegeta, during the Android Saga, could travel at least 15,300,000 miles per hour. (24623000 km/hr) Thus, Android 18 should be similar. Keep in mind that the formula obviously takes a simplified look at DBZ physics to avoid presumptuous complications, and the conclusion is ultimately an estimation. Vegeta could be slower than this and 18 is likely faster to some degree. We don't have enough data to pinpoint the exact number. However, we're working with numbers so large at this point that a couple additional ten-thousand-miles-per-hour here or there doesn't really change much, and this is as far as we can get without relying on speculation and assumption. We'd like to apologize about accidentally misrepresenting 18's speed. It certainly wasn't our intention. Luckily, this error doesn't affect the result, which is probably why it was missed in review. We know many fans appreciate their favorite characters being represented correctly, and we'll continue to make that a priority. If you have further questions, we'll answer what we can here or you can direct them to @BenBSinger on Twitter. We should cover this on this week's Death Battle Cast as well. Thank you for understanding, and we hope you enjoy our next episode!
ScrewAttack! How could captain marvel possibly absorb ki??? It's energy from within not just any man made electrical energy, unless I've missed something I don't see how captain marvel could absorb that🤷🏾♂️
@@sebastiancaris yeah i know man it does suck i watched every episode since episode 1. But they just didnt want to do it anymore, we cant be mad at them for that
Her strength is no joke. When they said she could POSSIBLY destroy planets is because we've never seen it, but she has defeated people who can. Back in the very beginning of DBZ, Vegeta, in his base form back then, destroyed a planet. A few years later, he reached Super Saiyan and was much stronger then.
No, Krillin's D is the stuff of legend. Only one who is truly BAE may prove worthy. That's why all the villains immediately murder him at the most convenient opportunity, they can't contain their jealousy.
@@xzenitramx666 She's not even a Karen - Karen's are usually housewife busybody types with little else to occupy their day but to complain about x, y and z. CM is more like Captain 3rd Wave Feminism. There's nothing inspiring or aspirational at all about her story in the Captain Marvel film. It's literally just "I must be better cos the patriarchy said I couldn't go fast or climb a rope". Meanwhile Wanda lost her parents in a frickin civil war, lost her brother in a battle caused by her own bad judgement and later destroyed her own lover to save the universe only for Thanos to reverse it and kill him anyway - and Natasha Romanoff got coerced into a hysterectomy to finish her Black Widow training which began from earliest youth leaving her with no childhood at all. Those ^^ 2 characters have persona - they have scars and legitimate reasons to do things. MCU Captain Marvel is basically just modern gender politics wrapped with a super basic storyline and energised with the all conquering power of Mary Sue that requires zero development or growth - she has literally nowhere to go as a character from the end of the film. You can tell by this gaping hole of a story that Captain Marvel's solo movie was Disney's kneejerk reaction to Warner/DC's Wonder Woman coming out with a big splash, and leaving female focused Disney corp with a giant egg on their face, especially in the wake of the post metoo shift in female media portrayals - it made them look lax, so they overcompensated and then some.
I love this outcome. But they say "18 would totally see what captain marvel was doing" but still let Toph beat Gara by GARA just attacking blindly till he dies.
Gara's overrated he can only control sand and needs special sand because regular sand sucks marines play in the sandstorms...Toph stomps him with complete control of earth elements and lightning reflexes...it's pretty simple but stay mad fanboy
@@justind9233 when you break down their abilities. They both have control of sand. Gara is an expert in sand.. so, you're saying that an expert in sand would continue to use sand attacks/defence against someone that knew sand attacks/defence? They would do this blindly with ZERO tricks. Thats stupid.
@@cluckeryduckery261 If the only things you liked about the captain marvel movie are its comedic support characters, then you didn't like the captain marvel movie.
OH MY GOD! YOUR A GENUS!!" In the end Genndy Tartakovsky arrives. It would be dbz, MARVEL, Samurai Jack Characters fighting while 3 creators watching them fight betting on money :)
I'll go with Stan Lee! I lost respect for Toriyama the time he refuses to fix the inconsistencies of Z in Super, and with him making more plotholes with the latter!
This was the death battle that broke my losing streak which began with venom vs bane, but it was only a matter of time till the combatant that I thought would win claimed victory.
Have been hearing this request since the start of Deathbattle, yet they still haven't done it, its almost like....they don't listen to their fans or something.
Misogyny Man or maybe just maybe each episode takes several months just to do research first as well as the fact they are already researching a bunch as is Just a thought
"They don't listen to their fans"? They made Goku vs Superman, Darth Vader vs Doctor Doom, Megaman vs Astro Boy, Dante vs Bayonetta, Ratchet & Clank vs Jak & Daxter, Joker vs Sweet Tooth, Hulk vs Doomsday, Lara Croft vs Nathan Drake and Sub-Zero vs Glacius because they were very requested for years. They listen, it's just they cannot make everything at the same time.
Ian Barnhart Yamaha can easy.. After training with king kai he held his own against the ginyu force. And back when dbz first started vegeta easily destroyed plantes and ginyu force was far stronger than vegeta at that point
Yamcha never fought the Ginyu force. That was Krillin and Gohan. I am editing this comment 6 years later because people are dense enough to think A: No one else has ever said anything to me in particular in those 6 years. And B: That I even think this still.
You forgot the fact that Cell, the ultimate creation of Dr. Gero, arrived from another timeline in the future to absorb both android 17&18 in order to achieve his ultimate form. That changed the timeline again given how trunks arrived from the future and saved goku from dying which altered the timeline creating a new, alternate timeline. Instead of going on a mass killing spree, the androids had that put on aside given they found android 16 and cell arrived from the future.
@@jajo3203 there was a article for captain Marvel how powerful she's and she end up beating the dragon ball universe except ultra instinct goku who s end up tie and goku was like I'm like to end tie with you 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 sorry for my bad English
"Let's end this debate once and for all." You know - I honestly think only about one of every five death battles were fights anyone ever thought of before. Which is one of the charms of the show.
@@kirikayumura6015 Because 18 is actually a cyborg with enhancements and replaced organs. She was a real person before her transformation. If her... Baby factory wasn't replaced or removed, then she can have a kid no problem.
@@bonniefazman9065 I got the impression that she was mostly replaced with only her mind left. That being why she is so strong, fast, and durable.. like Robocop. well he's not fast.. like Major Kusanagi. So she still has a weakness.. and it seems Krillin found it.
SonManuel20 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Oarf_Ml49w4.html I know it’s gt and non-canon but 18 does truly love krillin so yeah he won
@@nicholassunderbruch7131 Actually, no one was planet buster until Vegeta first came to Earth. However, Vegeta was a casual planet buster. I don't know if Nappa was a planet buster, but given Roshi (at full power) could bust a moon, and Piccolo (when he fought Raditz) was a casual moon buster, I'd say so.
Kamesennin blew up the moon in the beginning of dragonball. Frankly I suspect in the DB universe that all astronomical objects are actually made out of high explosives. It's really the only explanation.
@@medexamtoolsdotcom Or, the more sensible explanation is that DB characters really are that powerful. However, characters usually adjust the output so that it PIERCES enemies rather than blow up. Kinda like how a laser beam requires more energy and velocity than an explosion.
18 cant absorb energy, and she is easily solar system destruction level considering vegeta at the beginning of the series was 10000 and was a planet buster and she is currently many times stronger then frieza who was at 120 million (and yes power levels are not perfect but they do give an idea of scaling)
I usually don't watch the character information I just listen to it. And then watch the fight. With that said I know what wizz and boomstick look like behind the voices but every single time that I hear these blue apron commercials I pictured the animated characters in the commercials and it's hilarious. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ok I still think Android 18 would have won regardless, but I'm not sure if I like that you let her be able to absorb energy. In the anime it was pretty clear that she couldn't. That move was a video game only thing
Apparently you guys don't know her stats. she can absord energy. all Android's can that is what the gem in their hands are for(not only shooting beams) you guys need to research your stuff. Not saying she should have won. But she can absorb energy. just saying
17 and 18 don't have that gem in their hands. 17 and 18 were not designed with it because they were created with infinite energy (in that it refills itself as it's used, infinitely). That's their key to defeating Super Saiyans, not by being immensely stronger to start, but by being able to outlast them since their energy never lowers. The reason Gero moved on to the energy absorption model was because 17 and 18, having personalities of their own from being initially human, were too unruly to control and too powerful to risk that. Now 18 would have won regardless, since it would take Binary just to stand somewhat toe-to-toe with 18, and while 18 has infinite energy, Binary would quickly burn hers up. The only source where 18 can absorb energy is a game, which is non-canon. I have also heard citation of a manga I haven't read, that wasn't written by Akira Toriyama and is also non-canon, but I can't verify or deny this. The point remains such a source is non-canon.
Blink* also Thanos already uses the soul stone to contain trillions of life forms already so i doubt he would, and uh, 18 is literally faster and stronger than him
Not really, they lowballed Captain Marvel here. They only put her at mach 247 in this death battle but in Captain Marvel Vs. Shazam they put her Lightspeed (670,616,629 MPH) and in the description of that this video, in the top pinned comment they changed A.18's speed (for the better) to 15,300,00 which is way slower. And they also show a screenshot of her dodging tachyon laser in base form in the second one, showing that she has light speed reaction times even in base which again is not at all mentioned here. Like if you watch Captain Marvel vs Shazam all the feats are way higher and seem to be better than 18's All that plus them giving 18 non-canon energy absorption shows a pretty clear bias from Death Battle
@@jaysoft55 kid goku could dodge lightning even saying his power level was the same as sayian saga goku (which it isnt by a 8000) ssj goku would still be lightspeed by a good bit so 18 is still probably faster
@@jaysoft55 they also lowball 18 tho. BY A LOT. 18 is about blue goku level. blue goku is many maaaany times stronger then when goku gets god ki and his red god form. his red god form as able to shake the entire universe thats many times bigger then our own. so 18 should easily be universe shaking and faster then light speed. as blue goku is shown to be faster then light many many times if not faster by multiple times. so even if we say marvel is light speed 18 would STILL be way faster and 18 even without her energy absorbtion would still wipe the floor with marvel as 18 could simply destructo disc capitan marvel as the move is shown to be able to slice in half people many times stronger then the user and cuts anything it touches and mrs marvel absorbs energy BY TOUCHING IT. she isnt immune to energy attacks and given 18's speed still being faster im willing to bet she could catch marvel off guard since mrs marvel is shown to be reckless and easily tricked. so in other words SAYING THE LOWBALL MARVEL IS TRUE BUT DUMB AS THE LOWBALL 18 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE. they said she was building level for gods sake even tho she is on screen shown to be overpowering a guy who blew up planets with a wave of his hand in base form before even learning super saiyan or even meeting goku. so speed wise 18 is easily faster and strength wise 18 can shake a universe bigger then our own EASILY and battle smarts wise 18 is shown to know bassically every fighting style on earth and is a hand to hand expert AND has experience fighting cocky assholes who shoot lasers (vegeta)
Smug Bun yeah but in some versions of Catwoman she actually has 9 lives and I dont think Black Cat can keep killing Catwoman nine times over before being offed herself
The outcome would be the same, captain marvel in the comics isn’t as busted as some of the other avengers, thus why she lost here. If it was 18 vs like someone in the comics who becomes OP like Thor, or even some versions of iron man, she wouldn’t last, sadly.
Great fight ! Thanks !! here is an idea for a next fight : AKIRA VS Son Goku (or Saitama) We have few data about Akira (we may use Tetsuo's datas to have an idea. I'm not sure who will win. Goku's force seems greater, But Akira seems able to reform atoms and his psychenetics power may protect him from anything A single surprise bullet can kill him, but he may resurrect with his friends (unclear) ? What do you think ?
wow omea level cap captian marvel one shotted sentry Sentry tears the negative zone with his bare hands Negative zone is beyond infinite higher lvl dimensions it is beyond the multiverse itself this feat alone let captian marvel solo dragonball
Yo. So idk how this ties into what you found, maybe someone can correct me, but I remember it being explicitly stated the andrioids have unlimited energy..but is that "energy" ki? I always thought it was something more...electrical, I guess.
I know this was 5 years ago and all, and I'm a dragon ball fan so I appreciate any win that a DB character gets but I'm like 97% sure that outside of video games, neither android 18 or 17 have ever shown the ability to absorb energy (not including Super 17 from dragonball GT)
Dude, pretty much _all_ incarnations of Alfred have him as a retired military agent and war veteran. Just because he's a butler doesn't mean he isn't a complete beast when he wants to be.
@scp and homestuck expert Yes he is multi-versal with the glove, well only travel wise. The glove only works in its own universe as there are multiple versions of the infinity stones. In each universe their colors are different as well. As soon as he travels to a new universe the glove and the stones will cease to work. Unless he makes a new glove and gathers all the stones the new universe of course. So if 18 shows up in his universe she is fucked, if he shows up in hers then he is fucked.
Krillin is an absolute monster. He beat Gohan and Super Saiyan Goku in the same day, without resting. Goku had such a tough time against Krillin, he had to go Super Saiyan Blue and still nearly lost. For you see Son Goku, you're not dealing with the average human warrior anymore.
Can someone clear this up for me? Is Android 17 and 18 really named Lapis and Lazuli in Canon or did Teamfourstar introduce it and everyone just rolled with it?
I came here 100% expecting to be disappointed, didn't realize it was before the movie came out and she had the canon "I can just do whatever I want because I have to be the badass character"
@Jj Olatunji can you please speak in proper English ? + she's low multi cuz she's comparable to super saiyan goku who's low multi cuz his base is already uni+ and goku and vegeta are low complex multi
Also you meant Cyborg 18, right? Her being called an Android was a dubbing error which just kind of stuck. She is by definition not an Android, and is called a Cyborg in the original Japanese series.
Yeah this fight wasn't close at all. At the beginning of dragon ball characters could blow up planets with a finger, and now they are millions of times stronger
I disagreed on toph vs garra toph is not bending sand nowhere as good as gaara and gokd is a pure metal stated in legend of korra toph cant bend it she did it anyways
Nope, these guys don't play that. It's a fight, not a popularity contest. That being said, I'm not mad at all Marvel seems quite adept at getting her ass handed to her in spectacular fashion!
You were wrong, it was stated by trunks that 17 and 18 were not the energy absorbing android models as they didn't need to due to having an infinite energy sourse
