This is so right, Goldstein is the lowest IQ presenter around he is just awful. It can’t all be about trophies can it Andy, there are probably 16 teams in the PL who know they cannot win it at the beginning of the season. So why play at all, if it’s all about trophies why train and go out and play each week knowing they can’t win or it or even get anywhere near it? Are all 18 teams who don’t win the PL failures? You absolute muppet!!!
As a Man City fan i admit Klopp has made the PL much better. The competition between Pep and Klopp has raised the level of winning to a new level. 85 points would win the league previously. Now its a min of 90 to win the league thats the standards he set with Pep.
If Jurgen says on Sunday I’m going to Man Utd there would be Street party’s for weeks and that clown Goldstein would be first there how anybody can take him seriously is beyond belief he needs sacking
Meanwhile also endlessly brings the argument to “Alex ferguson is the messiah”. Except If pep coaches the same amount of years in the PL, he will obliterate fergie. By the stats.
@@Stevandoren1003 nevermind that, im saying the way they always bring up “ferguson” as some holy pinnacle. Yes he was amazing, but he also coached in the PL for longer than anyone. Ofc he will have more trophies
So Kenny won 1 is a legend? Klopp won 1 isn't? Sounds like someone is bitter. And I am not a Liverpool supporter. He created some of the most exciting and fun to watch football at Liverpool the league has seen.
Gerrard whole career he was in mid table bar a couple seasons he got top 4 he definitely isn’t a premier league legend. Zola and kane are not legends neither is MLT. Great players sure but not legends. Also is benty a bit slow today? It’s PL legends what does a cup in Europe have to do with that?
Only an incredible legendary manager can score 92,97 and 99 points in the premier league. Because getting to these point totals all depend on YOU winning games that YOU are in control of.. Winning league titles half depends on OTHER teams dropping points in games which you got NOTHING to do with. Klopp Scored more points than Ferguson's BEST league winning points totals 3 times. Here are the top 20 points tallies in Premier League history: 20 - Chelsea 09/10 - 86 points(+71) 19 - Chelsea 14/15 - 87 points(+41) 18 - Arsenal 01/02 - 87 points(+43) 17 - Manchester United 07/08 - 87 points(+58) 16 - Manchester United 12/13 - 89 points(+43) = 14 - Manchester United 06/07 + 11/12 - 89 points (+56) 13 - Manchester City 11/12 - 89 points(+64) 12 - Manchester United 08/09 - 90 points(+44) 11 - Arsenal 03/04 - 90 points(+47) 10 - Chelsea 05/06 - 91 points(+50) 9 - Manchester United 99/00 - 91 points(+52) 8 - Liverpool 21/22 - 92 points(+68) 7 - Chelsea 16/17 - 93 points(+52) 6 - Manchester City - 93 points(+73) 5 - Chelsea 04/05 - 95 points(+57) 4 - Liverpool 18/19 - 97 points(+67) 3 - Manchester City 18/19 - 98 points(+72) 2 - Liverpool 19/20 - 99 points(+52) 1 - Manchester City 17/18 - 100 points(+79)
@ajnz2420 You’re completely missing the point. Klopp’s sides have 3 out of the top 8 most points accumulated in EPL history. All in a six year period. The fact that Liverpool only won one title with 99, 97, and 92 points is completely off the charts and a complete anomaly. The reality is people do have to take into account the points won (particularly 97 points) because it just shows how insanely great City’s sides have been under Pep. To win 97 points out of a possible 114 points and not win the league is a level of absurdity that is hard to grasp.
Not a Liverpool fan, so not being bias. He took over a Liverpool team, that needed a complete overhaul, while also trying to get his style across. They had won no League Title in 30 odd years, so there was no winning mentality there, like Pep had when he went in at City. He had to nearly get every transfer spot on, as they couldn't afford to spend big on a player and it not working out. Example would be, Maguire, Antony and Pogba at Man United, Ndombele at my club, Chelsea recent signings etc. He got them to 3 Champions League Finals, Europa League Final, won FA Cup, League Cups, Champions League, Super Cup and World Club Cup. While giving Liverpool the one they craved the most, the Premier League title. He was the first manager ever, to have his team, play the maximum amount of games possible, with the 4 main Competition's. Was 2 games away, from an incredible Quadruple. No team will ever, lose out on a title, with 97 points, only 1 point off of City and only losing 1 game. The getting 92 points and again some how, losing the title by a point again. Going toe to toe, with a manager and endless money of City. Not to mention he had, Pochettinos Tottenham, Chelsea's Tuchel, Pep City, Jose Man United. If he was at City or Chelsea and had the spending power of them two, it would of been a famers League, nobody would be catching his teams. He would easily of won more than one Champions League at City to, which is a fact. When he got Liverpool to 3 finals, Pep has only been in 2 and won the same amount as Klopp in Champions League with City. Arteta has been at Arsenal for 5 years, spent over £600 Million, only has an FA Cup to show for it. So anybody questioning Klopp as a great and a legend, is clueless. This is Talksport, so no surprise with them really.
That paragraph was a waste of your time, winning the champions league and the cricket t20 has nothing to do with the premier league, he is below Ranieri on that list.
@@tonydew440would've, should've, could've, in your logic Conte, Ancelotti Raneiri are all premier league legends 🤣🤣, in 50yrs your grand children won't remember who almost won the title
I get why people don’t consider Klopp a PL legend with only one PL trophy but Goldstein is so hard to listen to because his football knowledge is so poor and his logic ridiculously stupid
Idk I hate Liverpool but Jurgen Klopp should be considered a legend. You can’t really tell the story of the premier league for the last 10 years without talking about jurgen klopp. With that said I couldn’t be happier he’s leaving!
@@Stevandoren1003 In its entirety yes, but the last decade cant be summed up in a sentence without Klopp. Hell we united fans will have a whole paragraph of hate alone.
Won the Champions League quicker than Pep with City. Won every available trophy against a team with 115 charges. Achievements have been incredible to be honest.
Hes built a legacy at anfield how can he not be considered a premier league legend hes a left a mark on the league Hes a legend in my book and i dont even support Liverpool A legend and a class act
There is absolutely nothing class about Klopp he’s a moody,entitled prick!look how many times he’s tried to bully refs/intimidate people.People rate him because he swears in press conferences!! He’s a clown
@Jacob56-xl4xo when the league has gone to the last day yet again, and been settled by a point or 2 numerous times. I'm afraid you aren't the one to decide which ones are "meaningful" or not Jacob 🤣
@@chucky7826 You don't know what you're talking about , Most of the Solskjaer wins against Pep came in 19/20 when Man City already gave up the title and even then he lost to him in the cup which was " the meaningful game " . In 20/21 season he beat him once when City were already 13 points ahead of United and that was a dead rubber . In 21/22 season Solskjaer lost games to Pep and was sacked soon after .
THIS IS FURGIES Tally Total In the 1993-1994 season, Manchester United amassed 92 points. In the 1999-2000 season, they achieved an impressive 91 points. In the 2006-2007 season, they secured an astounding 89 points. In the 2007-2008 season, they reached an exceptional 87 points. In the 2008-2009 season, they garnered a remarkable 90 points. In the 2010-2011 season, they achieved a commendable 80 points. In the 2012-2013 season, they clinched the title with an outstanding 89 points. Therefore, Manchester United, under Sir Alex Ferguson, went above 90 points in the Premier League twice-in the 1993-1994 and 1999-2000 seasons.
You can't base your argument Goldstein about the amount of trophies. Klopp is an inspirational leader which transformed the club. Very few people have achieved this.
Jurgen Klopp. Is. A. Legend. As a United fan, just the fact that we're happy to see him leave Liverpool exactly defines his legendary status. Legendary status does not equal only accolades. When you think Liverpool, you will think Shankly, Gerard, Dalglish, Klopp etc for the same and/or different reasons. Klopp's name will live long in the memory of Liverpool fans, City fans, United fans and them Prem in general... That is legend.
It’s honestly draining listening to “fans” of football sometimes because people are constantly so biased towards their teams rather than just talking common sense. Why is it so difficult for fans to acknowledge other teams players/managers if they’re good? I don’t get it.
He is right tho, 1 premier league and 1 champions league in his tenure at Liverpool is Shocking, overshadowed by his PERFORMANCE NOT TROPHIES, so he’s not wrong
saying the 19/20 season has an asterisk is crazy, by the time we went into lockdown Liverpool were 1 or 2 games away from being champions, sounds bitter
Honestly I've never took goldstein seriously ever since he absolutely ruined soccer am,still in bewilderment how he got this gig,stick to snooker mate,Darren Bent meanwhile,love listening to him,absolute gentleman, and more importantly,knows what he talking about
8 trophies. That’s legendary status. As a West Ham fan i keep being told that we should be immortalising David Moyes for winning a tin pot trophy. So 8 major ones for Liverpool, you gotta give him that. If it weren’t for Man City cheating for 15 yrs he would’ve been the 2nd greatest of all time.
I wouldn’t take this stuff seriously. Producers are creating these debates to get calls in and clicks on RU-vid. Goldsteins just been given the tough side of the debate. Anyone in their right mind knows Klopp’s one of the great premier league managers.
I feel like if United go another 10 years without winning the league and are the same and a manager comes along and does what klopp done for for Liverpool at United and brings that feeling back about that old United Andy would say that managers a legend.
Klopp & Ranieri are Premier league legends. Winning the PL is not an easy thing. Klop reached the Champions league final 3 times & one Europa final how can he not be a legend.🤷♂️
Klopp has spent nearly a billion and broke multiple world transfer records. Trying the claim klopp is like Ranieri is embarrassing. Liverpool are not leicester
Klopp made Liverpool a feared and respected club that everyone took notice of, especially if their own club, domestic or European, was to play against them. He shaped them into an attacking powerhouse that garnered attention every time, anywhere in the world. I am not a Liverpool supporter but I will certainly regard him as a legend.
The Klopp love-in Goldstein refers to has been going on for years. They've just turbocharged it since he announced he's leaving. That poem made me sick in my mouth
I hate Klopp, but he deserves more credit, if Pep didn't exist Liverpool would have dominated the league, but Pep does exist and thank god Liverpool didn't.
Utd fans still salty they lost 7-0 to the worse Liverpool squad ever , Liverpool fans sang Ole at the wheel and enjoyed the 7 hag era no Utd fan can make the same claim about Klopp 🤣🤣
As a Man United fan it's people like Goldstein that embarrass us. Seriously his football knowledge is so piss poor. I think Klopp should be regarded as a Premier League legend. He won it all at Liverpool & also I think he's a bloody good character the kinda person that you'd love to have a beer with
The turnaround he has overseen at Liverpool is quite an achievement in itself. We were languishing in mid table as after thoughts, played Champions League once in 5 years before he came in. He is most certainly a legend at Liverpool and in my opinion that's all that matters.
I really like klopp. He’s a Liverpool legend, not a prem legend. Trophies speak volumes. He’s still great tho but not in the same category as Ferguson for sure.
Yeah. But 1 pl don't make him a legend esp when Ranieri did it with 5% of his budget and the way LFC crumble after losing mane and finish outside top 4 make him looks weak. Let's be honest. Pep or fergie will never finish outside top 4 with the squad that LFC have
Legend should not be defined by how many titles you win and even as a United fan Klopp is a legend of the league. But if you rate greatest managers in the english football because football didnt start in the PL era only then Klopp would likely just make top 10. But he has done more for the city of Liverpool on and off the pitch and that is also very important
1 Premier league title in 9 years definitely makes you a premier league legend. Hes up there wi the other 1 pl title winners Ranieri Manchini Conte Pellegrini Jokers!!!
Not sure why I am commenting in reply to this. But let’s get something straight, Klopp is a legend because he will be remembered as part of a glorious period of football in the premier league, against the odds he challenged a team with the best squad, best manager and a team that potentially cooked the books to allow them to stay on top. A legend is someone that is remembered. Robbie Fowler and Alan Shearer are premier league legends.. are we going to say what they did doesn’t matter because they didn’t join Utd in the 90s ?Andy Goatface is just trying to be controversial as always and never says anything intelligent on here.
All this nonsense about 1 Premier League. Based on this theory the great Luck Chadwick was more of a legend than Gianfranco Zola. See how this works. Football is about how it makes you feel as a supporter not counting trophies.
I'm a Liverpool fan and Klopp is not a Premier League Legend. He was a great manager but I still put other managers far ahead of him by miles. Pep, Fergie for example.
Of course hes a legend his liverpool side with salah mane firmino played some of the best football the prems ever seen. When he took over liverpool they were in the mud and now the regularly baring last season compete for the league.
In the last 7 years, Klopp is the only manager to really challenge City.. its like Jimmy White never winning a world title, but to not call him a legend would be ridiculous
He is right in terms of trophies but even I admire what klopp done and for all the other things apart from the 1 title which I’m very happy they not won more he is a legend as much as I don’t wanna say it
Premier League Titles: Under Wenger’s guidance, Arsenal won the Premier League title three times. These victories occurred in the following seasons: 1997-1998: Arsenal secured the title with 78 points. 2001-2002: The “Invincibles” team went unbeaten throughout the season and amassed an impressive 90 points. 2003-2004: Again, the “Invincibles” achieved an extraordinary feat, remaining undefeated and accumulating 90 points. Points Accumulation: While Wenger’s teams consistently finished in the top four, they did not surpass the 90-point mark in other seasons.
Ferguson had easier opposition, bought the referees who were scared of him, had relatively more money than any other club, so bought all the best players.. honestly, Fergie would not stand a chance against the current City team
Are you sure about that one. Ferguson was up against Wengers Arsenal the only club to go unbeaten in a season, Mourinho’s Chelsea the team that broke records and still has the lowest goals conceded in a season, the Newcastle side with the premier league top scorer the Leeds United team the Liverpool team that won the champions league with the best legendary players in a generation Angelotti”s Chelsea team and the Manchester City team that has all the charges allegations against them and they all have numerous doubles achievements and European trophies. In his time in charge Liverpool Chelsea and Manchester United were champions of Europe and runners up with Arsenal a number of times. Chelsea and Arsenal were cup winner cup winners and Liverpool and Chelsea were Europa League winners. Wenger was FA cup winners record amount of times. And they were competing in Europe against the best teams of a generation from Spain Italy and Germany. The fact that KLOPP hasn’t won a European title against non English teams and has won the majority of his trophies on penalties in games in which they were 2nd best. Since klopp has been Liverpool manager he’s been up against a weaker Utd Chelsea and Arsenal teams and he’s only won one FA cup other than that he’s never been past the quarter finals. Say what you want about him but the season he won the league was the most controversial one in the amount of points Liverpool won in dodgy penalties and VAR decisions and people never mention that. He’s been responsible for some of the most misrepresentation of actual facts to create a false narrative and become a victim to get the referee to be second guessing his decisions.
What you have to ask is who did Man C hate playing? Who could play them off the park? Not a trophy but we were the only team who could spank them. If the 115 charges are proven then we should have had more titles. As should Arsenal, Utd etc.
For me Klopp is a Premier League legend yes by the body of work he has. Also he isn't top 3 managers of all time in the Premier League because that's where the titles need to start counting Sir Alex, Pep and Jose are the top 3. Maybe he fights it out for 4th and 5th with the other managers. That my view as a Liverpool fan
He is spot on. Klopp is a legend in Liverpool. They are deluded. Their fans have and always will be deluded. Maybe have 6 or 7 public votes on the matter until they get the result they want.
Klopp aint a PL Great.. he is a Liverpool great. Darren Bent sums up everything that is wrong with football keeps using stats. The fact of the matter is Klopp has won 1 title in 9 seasons, same number as Ranieri and Daglish etc…Liverpool fans can talk about coming 2nd with 97 points, it aint a trophy, no one cares about who is runner up. And everyone in the media seems to forget the Great Jurgen Klopp finished 5th last season 😂 He is a one season wonder PL wise
Curious, take Fergie and Wenger out, as they are undoubtedly legends, who would be a managerial legend in the prem? In my opinion, Jurgen is a legend. Oh and Pep is an legend also, no doubt.
