Angels and Demons ~ Lost in Adaptation 

*eyebrow quirk*

Fuck the church. This fiction. I'm so sick of moral puritans from both sides dictating what we can and can't watch. Who gives a shit if it offends you? If its not the intent of the piece, then don't pigeon hold people from enjoying it.

That was also a twist in the Preacher comic book-with some caveats. "Humper-Doo!"

@@admech590 I understand the need to vent but your reply is irrelevant to the comment

-josé saramago, 1991. did it first, won a nobel prize (but not for that)

A Romanian accent and an Italian accent are quite different, tho both are Romance languages and I can definitely understand how they may sound similar. Source: Romanian is my native language But yes, I would totally watch that movie too. It has now occured to me that you might've been joking... oh well.

Old school? Calling Pope a fake corrupt Pope and crowning oneself as a real deal, while waging war on the supposed impostor?

Italy is anti-vampire. All the crosses, all the mirrors, all the garlic, and all the sun.

"My children of the night! Hear the music that they make!" [Latin chanting in the background]

Not a movie and not the Pope, but the closest thing to that would probably be Anno Dracula by Kim Newman, which is a fantasy/alt history book about "What if Dracula won, married Queen Victoria and turned British Empire into a necrocracy ruled by vampires?"

I'm guessing CERN wishes they could fly to the US and back in 15 minutes with fancy space planes too.

I kinda find myself in a similar place with them. I tried to read The Da Vinci Code and just found it stupid. Usually I delight in a book making me look something up, but I got no joy from any search derived from that book and I don't think I even bothered to finish it actually. I never bothered with the movie at all. I do recall a somewhat accusation of sci-fing the archives. Sometimes I see or read things like that and they come off a bit rude because I wish the place in question really had the stuff.

I, as a student of Religious Studies and amateur writer, am slightly willing to give Dan Brown slack for being "incorrect on basic facts" due to two principles. 1. It's "Based on a True Story" fiction. The story, the fiction, comes before literal accuracy. "Close enough is good enough" and "That doesn't work, let's change it" are axioms of the story-writing process. 2. A buffer of reality. As you mention, actual Vatican priests find the movies "more funny than offensive". If I were to write a "Historical Fiction" story then, barring explicit groups deserving of offense (read: Nazis, the KKK, etc.), that is the exact response I would want from those I mention or include.

@@onijester56 I would give him slack if I'd felt like I could still build the world out of the story and understand it. However I was too often left with feeling like he just ask a blind man to describe a room without letting him exploring it.

In a Renaissance humanities class in college we read Inferno. Well, I tried to. The idea's neat but the writing style's eh

😅 I love Tom Hanks

How did you-I can _see_ that!

I love how Tom Hanks is mostly known for stone-cold dramatic roles nowadays and yet, he started his career as a comedic actor.

It's actually been on his Patreon to-do list for a while. Next up is Captain Underpants, followed by Good Omens. You can find the full list on his site.

And meanwhile poor Hornblower is still waiting for its day in the sun... 😢

I mean, this book was way higher on my guess list than "Pounded in the Butt by My Own Butt."

@@vanyadolly that's video I would become a patreon to support.

@@vanyadolly Which books and which films/TV though?

I mean his voice overs in Arrested Development are gold. So there’s that.

"Rush"

Apparently Disney wants him to adapt Neil Gaiman's The Graveyard Book. I hope it gets off the ground soon.

Grinch wasn't a terrible book and the movie was a mixed bag depending on who you ask they ether have nostalgia for it as kids or they think it a crude and juvenile attempt to make a short children's book into a feature length film.

@@giovannialvarez9289 I am of the camp who loved both and quote them frequently. It's a funny pseudo-adaptation but also a satire about the holiday itself (IMO).

Not necessarily, the woman in Angles and Demons herself is an exposition dump.

Soooo Dr who?

@@i.b.640 Literally there so she can be mansplained at.

Yup

He described her body in so much detail that I thought it was important to the plot. Maybe because she has a toned body she can be a good fighter, or she’s good at a sport that will be important later, nope. I love thicc women as much as the next guy but what’s the point

Dan Brown in a nutshell.

it was my first experience of 'wow this book is really over-rated' and i did not understand the hype at all (it was an okay thriller but nothing special at all)

I read this one when I was 10, and I was so proud of myself for being "mature", but I never thought it was clever. still have the original copy.

I too read the Da Vinci Code at around 10 and didn't remember a single thing after reading it, and I still don't remember anything even with the movie out.

Bernard Cornwell is another author who makes seemingly dense subjects rather straightforward to consume.

If there were pictures of the glyphs in the books, how were the filmmakers unable to make the final ambigram diamond and just used the keys instead?

@@regiman222 I was confused when The Dom said they couldn't be made since they were shown in the book.

He hand-waved it in the book as “English is the language of heretics and scientists.”

@@regiman222 There were only five ambigrams illustrated in the book: Illuminati, Earth, Air, Fire and Water. These were all designed at Brown's request by the artist John Langdon (hence the protagonist's name). The diamond one was only described in prose, never visualized though.

@@yarpen26 oh, strange given I was able to find an illustration of the diamond ambigram with a quick Google search, so thought it came from the book.

Yeah to be honest it's okay to do creatively, but I could see somebody who paid for the second iteration feeling a bit ripped off

The second Evil Dead Story is not a great example because while they ‘technically’ redid the first film, that part was over in about the first 15 minutes, and the rest was completely new material.

He re-done this exact story about 5 times it’s beyond boring now

Actually the remake at the beginning of 2 is because they lost the rights to Evil Dead 1.

I think it has one downside, and it's that it's too much of a slippery slope, specially if both attempts are consecutive.

When right in the first scene of The Da Vinci Code the killer switches off the manual safety of his Glock 21, I knew he was full of hot air. Glock pistols don't have manual safeties. If you want to flaunt how smart and knowledgable you are, you actually need to be that. Like Oscar Wilde.

@@vaclav_fejt It's always funny if you realize the author clearly researched a lot for the main aspect of their story and then get the details not directly related to that completely wrong. I'm currently reading pillars of the earth by Ken Follett and he writes in a lot of detail about construction work in the 12th century and so on, but then there is a scene where someone easily sets a pile of wool on fire...

Creating tension but with no payoff at the end. I'm still pissed that I wasted a month on the da Vinci code only to get blue balled.

True, his books are enjoyable and page turner, if not very memorable due his lack of greater engaging narratives. I give him some mmorable characters like the to be pope with daddy issues. I jut really stopped when he got way too out there. But he writes entertaining and easy at least. I liked angels and demons , because its not too outlandish.

I mentioned this in my own comment, but I remember when visiting Istanbul with the family, my mom had recently read Inferno (which takes place largely in Turkey) and according to her, the description of the Basilica Cistern in the book was word-for-word perfect to what she saw in real life.

The Lost Symbol is cool too, but I find Angels & Demons still much more enjoyable than Inferno movie.

This is late but same. I even forgot the name of the book but one of them made me want to visit La Sagrada Familia. It just seemed so beautiful with how Dan Brown described it.

Did it really? I mean, the plot twist is Mary Magdalene threw herself at Jesus to bang

I agree, I've just finished The Lost Symbol and I enjoyed. I don't think you read Dan Brown to broaden your literary horizons but rather you read them like you watch a History Channel documentary. They're really interesting and have great graphics but they're always a bit lacking y'know?

Yeah, I love his books too. I even read Deception Point! I know they're trashy, but somehow they just... hook me. I have to read a lot for university, so I just stopped reading books, and that consumes me, makes me feel stupid. So when Origin released and I was able to finish it in a week I was relieved, finally noticing that college was just taking a lot of energy, not that I was getting stupid or whatever. So, they're trashy books, but they make me happy. Also, they release the books here in Brazil simultaneously with the rest of the world, so I'm impressed he cares about it. Normally it takes months or even years.

Exactly. I usually call stuff like this popcorn literature, because it's just the light reading that is fun and you don’t take too seriously. I read a lot of books and popcorn literature is absolutely essential as a pallet cleanser between more serious works. Besides anything that gets people reading is a good thing.

@@ViniLdCff Deception Point was great! I loved that Brown finally got away from the Langdon series

I like his descriptions of famous monuments and buildings! I feel like if I ever visited them in real life, it would feel like I've been there before, you know?

Best comment in the comment section.

The fact the filmakers completely changed the ending of Inferno for a safe and cuddly "heroes save the day from the baddie" instead of what actually happens is infuriating, its such a cowardly Hollywood thing to do.

Gary Stu! Love it.

@@jazzycat8917 Truth! Seriously, that made me so angry. The "villain" in the book was so much more interesting and morally ambiguous, but in the movie he's just your standard cookie-cutter, evil "bad guy." There might have been an interesting conversation there had they left the ending unchanged, but nah, we wouldn't want your brain to melt, loyal moviegoer, so here's some easily-digestible dreck you don't have to think about more than 30 seconds after you've left the theater. It's especially a shame since the creepy, underground cistern is probably my favorite location in any Dan Brown novel for how moody and atmospheric it is, but the ending just left too bad a taste in my mouth for me to enjoy it much.

I HAVE A SILLY HOBBY: I like recommending education and science and fun (sometimes all fused in 1) to random people. But without knowing much about you or your preferences, i can kinda only shoot into the Darkness, ya know. But well, i would recommend the following three to all humans anyway, so whatever: -Sci Man Dan. -Professor Dave Explains. -Veritasium.

Why did they leave out daddy isues, both from the female protagonist and the nearly new pope. Make a lot more sense what drove him there. Daddy issues is a trope for reasons. Talking about angels and demons, the bad guy is actually interesting with daddy issues. They changed infernos rather leak ending, wow that makes it interting.

And don't forget 50 shades novels...

Same

Yeah Angels and Demons is the better one.

Better paced too, IMO.

I was wondering if maybe it’s a ‘whichever one you read first’ thing. I also enjoyed angels and demons more.

Absolutely. Much more interesting IMO

And Woody, but that’s a given

Come now, Inferno is a perfect movie to stumble across on TNT on a Saturday afternoon while folding laundry.

@@TrekBeatTK fair enough

@@TrekBeatTK ah, a good-ol 'laundry folder'

I have told so many people that the Martian is my favorite book because it's so funny, tense, and full of detailed science. The ones who've seen the film think it's a sort of action movie, but the tension is so lost in the speed at which it goes by in order to shove "slowly dying for a year, millions of miles away from every other human" into ~2 hours.

@@ltjgambrose My gf just finished the book so we did a rewatch of the film and... it's a good movie but it misses a LOT of the charm of the book. All his hilarious monologues just get condensed into smarmy one-liners, and they completely remove all the tension of the incoming storm from the back half.

@@hollandscottthomas It misses on the charm, but the story is all there.

@@edisonlima4647 Some events are missing, particularly the last obstacles he faces shortly before he reaches the new rocket thingy (forgot the name). - the sandstorm and how he figured out where it was going - and the falling over of his vehicles That said, I think the movie is a good adaptation. You cannot put everything into a movie that is in a book. I love listening to the audiobook. It's also one of my favourites. Have recently listened to Project Hail Mary too, which is also good (though there seems to be an error in thought at one point).

@@hollandscottthomas Not only that, but there are a lot of really dark moments that show how scared everyone is while they try to put on brave faces. Maybe the biggest one is when Johannsen's dad asks her what will happen if they can't resupply on the way back to Mars to get Watney and Johannsen tells him that the captain trusts her to pilot the ship back herself. If the ship fails they're going to commit suicide to save enough resources to get it back to earth with one of them left. Once they get the supplies on board Martinez jokingly asks her who she would have eaten first, and honestly all I could think was "oh my god... these people are all terrified". It's not a book about space, or Mars, or action, or scifi. It's a book where 9 billion human beings on earth refuse to let one human being die on another planet.

YES! When he mentioned it I was like "WHAT?", but then I remembered I actually watched it at the movies.

If it helps, I didn't know the chronology until I watched this movie, so was similarly confused

Right? I mean, he might be our second biggest, right after Mads Mikkelsen.

@@MonyXChan oh yeah definitely, and he might not be as popular to non Danish audiences as Pilou Asbæk, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and of course Mads Mikkelsen, but in Danmark he's pretty damn famous.

Speaking of which, I am absolutely blown away by these guys' English pronunciation. I've been listening to English stuff on an everyday basis for the past fifteen years or so, my grammar is probably as good as it gets... but my accent is hopeless and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. Nobody would have confused me for a native speaker in a million years.

I thought I recognized his face.

Yeah honestly when I saw this I just assumed that surely he must have done 'The Da Vinci Code' already at least, but no. While I don't think much of the series I would be interested to seeing him talk about all 3.

Agreed.

He's got a sort of Dorian Gray deal with his brother Clint: he stays eternally Ritchie Cunningham and Clint ages for both. Except for the male pattern baldness. Even magic is hit-or-miss with that shit.

I think he looks like he's wearing old makeup for Halloween in high school

Same here, really looking forward to it. Unlike season 2, which I am not.

@@rob.3143 theres no chance that it will come cloase to the first season. But I hope it will be atleast not bad

@@maxhatterschannel5140 The upside I suppose is that it won't be an adaptation. Which means that it won't have something to live up to. But it also means that other people will now have to try and copy the combined genius of Pratchett and Gaiman.

@@rob.3143 Thats true, i actually read the book after watching the Show. The Show was just WAY to good to not read the Book it was based on and i already was a Fan of Terry Pratchett before that anyway.

I've read the book countless times, but I still need to go around to watch the show.

Good luck

Best of luck.

Best of luck! I hope she just pulled a muscle

She did indeed just pull a muscle, the little scamp 💖💖

@@kristinlundell9924 that's a relief ☺️

The book also claims that the church Santa Maria della Vittoria is located at the Piazza Barberini, while in fact it's a bit to the west in one of the streets leading to it.

@@herodotus945 Indeed. Still, I would not fault a US author for that. I would, however, take issue with one of the main plot points of the book: I went to see this in theaters when it was out in 2009, and by the second half most people in the audience were shouting at the screen that they should check Castel Sant'Angelo, and we were not even in Rome.

Also the fact that the "Illuminati" weren't actually responsible and it was just someone using them as a cover.

So you think that the Illuminati as a group of rich/powerful families running the world doesn't exist? So you haven't learned ANYTHING from the pandemic. You haven't learned anything from knowing that the Bilderberg meetings of the heads of state and rich movers and shakers meets every year to decide on our (the little people) fate? That most of the countries of the world made a huge power grab in TANDEM in order to bring forward the New World Order ("Bring Back Better, You"ll own nothing and be happy about it)? Omg, how far up your own backside do you have to be to be so blind?

@@edennis8578 Please stop. You are only making a fool out of yourself and you know it. Please get help

@@shinyagumon7015 Thanks for saying it so the rest of us don't have to

@@edennis8578 Sir. Tinfoil goes on potatoes, not your head.

The physics is complete nonsense, and the semiotics (which is supposed to be the main character's professional field of study) is so incoherent, wrong, or completely backwards that it can't even rise to the level of nonsense.

I'm sorry, did he _actually_ say that electrons are the antiparticle of protons? I learned what an electron was in fifth fucking grade! Even if you've never heard of an antiproton, surely you would know that electrons aren't antimatter!

You don't need to read Latin when the universe in Dan Brown's novels is written in English.

Not to mention that they actually moved the equivalent of a nuke into a much better position to cause maximum damage, after all, there is a reason nukes are detonated way above ground. And we don’t want to start with the fountain scene, where they ignore buoyancy, to make lifting the thing in water to look impossible although it was possible in air, with way less buoyancy. But the biggest shame is the way the movie is filmed, not really showing a lot of the beautiful city it is placed in.

That's exactly it, well said.

And yet from watching the show, it's complete dog crap. I'm not judging you for liking dog crap because that would be hypocritical of me, but... if that's the best one... wow.

I don't really remember anything about the Lost Symbol other than there was a tattoo man and a squid

@@SuperDoNotWant I'm still interested to see that one adapted, so has that already happened, and where? It has a decent, if over the top villain, and the ideas do get provocative, at times - and far fetched at times. It goes a bit more lurid than prior Brown books, too. The book has some decent twists and turns, but does have something of a anticlimatic wrap up.

I dont get why they focus on langdo who is ore predictable and the religious conspiracy but not really angle, i liked his not langdon books more.

A gun fitted with a silencer lol

I think that titles a little too insulting, even though it is worth pointing out.

I assumed everyone had read those, and the Schroödinger's Cat trilogy. I am very annoyed that I have not caught any of the stage adaptations by the Campbells. I played the Call of Cthulhu game, which also included the Illuminati.

I watched the Da Vinci Code film years ago and was really bored by it. At least Nick Cage on National Treasure form would have made it fun and lightened it up a bit.

Will they do meteor or diabolus, cause they dont have langdon.

🙏 amen

The Knights Templar Oreos is probably my favorite (Scott Wolter-He played Football, y'know!)

I've never heard of a degree in it but there certainly are courses regarding symbolism / symbology in a wide range of subjects, symbolism in art symbolism through history, symbolism in [insert type] culture, it's also addressed in sociology and psychology. The most glaring example of this is of course Freud who was so obsessed with seeing/saying associations with openings we're vaginal and anything longer than it is wide being phallic gave us the permanent turn of phrase, "Freudian slip" and others to joke about something sounding dirty-minded. Back to my original point, I've never heard of ever being able to get a degree in symbolism/symbology - but someone could have a reputation for being very good at analyzing symbols even esoteric ones or lesser known/nearly forgotten meanings. We could look at how the character is introduced in The DaVinci Code film as a TED talk. One doesn't necessarily have to have a degree to be extremely knowledgeable and be able to pass that knowledge to others.

Semiotics is a real field of study...and "Symbology" in the books is semiotics done completely backwards. It's like a book where there are "physicsists" who run around trying to stop people from breaking the Laws of Physics. Except even more wrong.

@@searchingfororion The Da Vinci Code (and the rest of Dan Brown's novels) treat meaning as inherent in symbols rather than a context-dependent human practice, which basically assumes that the universe is a work of fiction written in a particular language in a particular symbolic tradition. And it *still* can't get basic details put together coherently.

@@M_M_ODonnell I did read The DaVinci Code and simply referenced the film sequence for ease in my comment. I think that one actually drives home that symbols are context driven (such as Poseidon's trident and the garments individuals associated with the KKK without the rest of the image). I will be honest with you and say that I do not remember much more of specific examples, however I had a unique experience reading reading it: a, as a pagan, and b, with my *massive* art history textbook so I could view the pieces they were analysing myself. I can understand frustration if the topic of semiotics (thanks for the new word btw) is one you are passionate about and seeing it portrayed improperly. I remember the answer to the puzzle after going to Sir Isaac Newton's tomb being "apple" irking me as a math nerd. The clue was what globe/sphere is missing [sic] and the *dramatic* reveal that it was apple made me take a moment to scream internally because geometrically *that's not right* - so I fully understand your desire to clarify and illuminate.

Oh, he was obviously the villain the book too. That's the thing with all of Brown's books; you can figure out who's the secret bad guy and who's the red herring the moment they're intruduced

The books are about making the audience feel smart for being in on the secret real meanings of things; it would undermine that purpose if the audience couldn't easily spot the villain.

Its not that rare, female house keeper and cooks or like that, thats not new. Or rare. If its about priests and kids, not rare at all. Like ther was a hillarous story how a priest got punished by his expartnr for being a homophobe, for the purity of the duty, by herself mentioning he is a hypocrite with their not too long ago partnership.

Have you read the book since? I mean people can like what they like but the ending to the movie is a fucking cop out, its the complete opposite to the book and so much worse for it.

@@jazzycat8917 I tried to read it after i saw the movie, but i sadly have not much time to read 😥 So the movie had a different ending? That’s a bit harsh for the fans of the book. I just like the director work and the phasing of the events, because it is coordinated well i think. It keeps the watcher’s attention.

@@Esty568 yes, it wasn't a disease, but more of a specialized drug, and more I will not spoil... Ambra also has a much smaller role in the book.

Yeah, but I think the murdering terrorist is still a villain.

Agree!!!! I'm hardly a snob in most things and his books are entretaining as hell. Sometimes you just need something fun to read, especially when the actual world is basically on fire and serious enough. I can't wait for his new ones, even if people judge me lol.

Best of luck! I fully support your dream because I would love to see such a themed farm.

I'm with you on Ewan McGregor as a priest. Watching the movie I was oddly fine with his character becoming pope despite the terrorism because...well... Ewan McGregor. Plus it's interesting (and frustrating) how gender changes the perception of the "hero/power fantasy." I personally think wish fulfilment will always have its place in entertainment, it ultimately comes down to the quality of the story as to whether or not I can put up with the "perfect" protagonist.

Was looking for this comment :D

They say of the acropolis where the Parthenon is...

@@rob.3143 *Sandi rage intensifies*