Angle vs Acro Tiny Whoops In 2023 

Ok I'm hooked 😁 I'm still a newb but addicted to fpv love the hobby I'm not even close to being able to spank a whoop like this lol this is very informative and just as entertaining I'm officially a sub😁🤌🏽✌🏽

Really good content. Thanks for sharing your thought process and data. I've been contemplating changing to acro and your data/testing style was great. Also, it's very obvious the lighter the quad weight the better it flies in general and may get a little more flight time especially if the track is longer or battery characteristics

awesome video buddy! not much content like this out there so as a up and coming tinywhoop racer, this is highly appreciated!

That was a great analysis, thanks for sharing!

Great vid man 😎✌❤ it's come a long way

Great testing and information, that was awesome. I've been trying to pick back up on whooping and I've been flying acro and also find it more fun as well.

I saw your old video way back when i wasn't sure whether to use project mockingbird stuff. And angle mode really improved my laptimes and made my flying more consistant - all depending on the track. Great flying!! :)

I think back to the last Tiny Whoop Invitational course and I know we had some of the best acro pilots in the world at the time there, and at least on that course, Angle mode was faster even for those guys. Now performance of whoop hardware has increased, but that Tiny Whoop course was SO tight and SO technical that I wonder if Angle would still win. A lot of the courses I've seen recently like Whooptopia do feel more like a condensed 5 inch course instead of the crazy tight courses that used to be the norm for whoops. But in the end, they are all fun to watch and the talent in all the big races is CRAZY good.

Wow the world of whoops is so deceivingly complicated! I fly primarily 5 inch freestyle but this has me so excited to go small for once!!

Angle mode is so boring though. I learned acro with a whoop before flying bigger quads - really fun and a safe way to learn!

i remember your first vid, this is awesome great vid

nice! It looked like you were getting tighter turns with Acro

Great content! Can't wait to see you at the museum.

12:19 the weight and motor KV will become more apparent when on a track with longer lead ups to gates. The whoops when heavy and underpowered with low KV motors will prop wash out no matter how much you pre-turn or throttle you give to the whoop before entering a gate. This became very apparent for me in Sacramento over the weekend where I had to basically treat it like a DRL R4/SL spec quad; momentum racing versus point-and-shoot racing flying at close to full throttle. But after this event I was already planning on building new whoops that were going to be lighter and way higher KV motors too.

Very nice video. And si many giod infos! Thx !!!

Your pilot skills are sick i wish I could fly like you ❤

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i noticed u said u had updated your esc firmware in the begging of the video .i was having trouble with one of my fcs ands its escs and wondering if u had or knew a video to help out

I've been flying acro indoors a lot more. There is definitely more control in corners, but mistakes are more punishing. Still looking for the perfect 65mm hdzero whoop build too. I think you can get the weight down to 23g and still be durable

Looking at that video for the US Airforce Museum race, I think that's where you might actually be faster with the HDZero quad, simply because the analog is so sketchy that you see the gates pretty late.

It definitly depends on the quad, and the course. I will keep both on a switch

we have a big overhaul to angle mode coming... it could swing things back the other way 🤔

Time to put the work in......Acro makes sense with todays whoops

I’m a little late but I’d like to know which battery’s you are flying?

Ever try quicksilver? its "racemode" is angle on roll only if i remember right. i have it loaded and flew once then its been sitting unfortunately

Chris Rosser recently made some adjustments to angle mode I believe that helped speed it up vs acro. I really noticed the difference between the two modes in the little experience I have with tiny whoop simulator. Perhaps serious whoop racers use a firmware that already has these fixes and I'm just out of the loop(never was in).

what difference is there between acro and angle mode?

So can you provide some spec data? What version of BF were you using and what were your rates and PID settings for both your Angle mode and Acro mode flights.

dope track :)

Acro for life! And I love a high cam angle on my whoop just like a 5 inch. Keeps my muscle memory the same when switching back and forth between different size quads. I like the Mob 6 (ELRS) guts in the Meteor 65 frame with 25K motors. The Mob frames suck. Lol Some tuning and they are a great flying whoop.

Didn't Angle mode about to get a pretty good update in betaflight 4.4? Chris Rosser did a video on it not too long ago. Curious to see if that changes anything.

whats your camera angle?

I remember when I switched for the first time from angle to acro with my very first brushed micro I thought "damn! this is easier!" I didn't expect that. I realised how angle was constantly fighting my attitude and hence it made for a bumpy ride. It's much easier to be smooth and "flowy" in acro. Please note that I don't do racing though...

That could have been a 4 minute video!

Are the quads stock? Or are you running higher KV motors? I have been flying higher KV 0702 motors on biblades and having a blast.

What firmware? Chris Rosser and ctsnooze have done some serious work on Betaflight Angle mode. Also, I've been using Bluejay 0.19 which flies much better on my rig. I fly a chonky 2S, 2-inch whoop, exclusively in Angle mode, and I can tell you the latest firmware changed how my stuff handles. I don't race, but I do tight flying with lots of tiny gaps. Propwash is almost non-existent, and the thing seems like it's reading my mind.

Why are you slower with HDZero? Isn't it supposed to have better latency than analog?

I just stick to acro. Want to keep my muscle memory consistent. A few times I accidentally switched to angle and it felt like the radio input was laggy. I did notice I can orbit way easier in angle.

What kind of tubing are you using for the gates?? Seem to glow better than just PVC??

I'm surprised your two whoops are those heavy stock ones or maybe that was the point. I assume you have a light, hand-built one you fly in races.

I race with a small group of friends and I’m the only one flying acro, when I can finish a race and don’t crash, I win every race, it’s so much faster especially on tracks that require freestyle moves.

that track slapped harder than my dad

this is an accelerated trick recording

For years I thought angle mode was the sht, but when I finally mastered acro, no going back. The only time I use acro, is when I test my quads after a repair. Whoops these days can handle acro with ease! It’s all good. Lol

I havent flown since 2014, most was still flying brushed but brushless was getting pretty hot, FPV was still fairly new...fastforward to today. A friend sent me a little shit drone, ya know the type, for beginers not knowing I use to be a pretty good pilot on the sticks. Through lots of research and ton of videos I see everyone is acro over angle, but what happened to those with real skills and fly in 3d mode? I was shocked to hear people claim they are flying inverted in acro, and after watching many videos I have come to the conclusion that most people just do not know what it means to really fly inverted. So this is what I am going to be doing, bringing back real 3D acrobat flying just to show those new to quad flying what real inverted flight...I cant wait to blow some minds at the top of a power loop I set at the top literally upside down and hovering at the top of the loop, then finish it after a slight midloop hover...so much more you can do in air with 3D over acro......FYI, I am just south of Detroit, small town on the river, if you know then you know....maybe see ya out and about

I also wanted to mention the meteor c03 camera, anyone else think it's better then the nano 3 from runcam? I haven't tried one but they look better then my nano 3s yet I don't see anyone talking about them.

Aside from the flying skills, I don't see how racers remember the courses and which side you are entering gates.

Sure it been said but Rab flys acro

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1:33 Rab flies acro. Not angle***

Acro gang

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What are you still using beta flight? Quicksilver whoops it’s ass no pun intended

I did not know anyone raced in anything but acro. Almost feels like cheating :P

Nice testing! But your racing line is too much point & shoot. You can gain more lap time by preturning and taking some perfect preturning paths that can't be done in angle mode.

Always acro