@@christianf5131 this is an issue I still need to work through and research. Anglicans certainly affirm the first 4 ecumenical councils and the Christological conclusions of 5 and 6 I.e. dyothelitism and dyoenergism. I’m definitely not against iconography, though I can’t say I’m for icon veneration.
@@evansustar8478 i ask because it almost seemed like the argument used for bowing for the processional cross is similar to what the Eastern Orthodox would say regarding icon veneration. They’re not worshipping wood, they’re passing honor on to the prototype
@@christianf5131 This is a fantastic observation. I’d have to look deeper into EO arguments on that one. Maybe we have some similarities there. I’m also not entirely sure how long bowing at the cross has been normal in Anglicanism, so it’s possible it’s a later development.
@@evansustar8478 I believe bowing came along in the liturgical movement, or possibly tractarians. Note, I am an Anglican myself, I find myself somewhere near the tractarians, though that’s always fluid as I learn more, and don’t accept the 7th ecumenical council. I think there’s possibly arguments for bowing that aren’t so iconodulia sounding, and I also admit I may be completely misunderstanding the argument! Note, I believe we follow each other on X, so you may know my oddities already.
There is a huge difference between an icon and an idol. In bowing to the cross, it is a sign of respect for the suffering of Jesus Christ on our behalf. Do you deny the cross? An icon ultimately points to Jesus; an idol is said to be inhabited, or possessed by the false god. The distinction may be difficult for people who were raised in a non-liturgical church. As much as I respect my less liturgical brothers and sisters, to decry a practice as "Catholic" is just silly. It is also Lutheran, Episcopalian, and in also Orthodox, although the differences in Orthodox practice of liturgy is fascinating to someone raised in the Western tradition. We should not be so quick to judge our brothers and sisters. Jesus is our judge.
remember in uk algicans were catholic, before henry the 8th, who was so aragant to make himself head of the church anglicans kept a lot from us catholices , your alla break away group from rome and catholics we genuflection when we come into church , ie kneel before the cross , at communion we make the sighn of the cross as a alter server i some times carry the cross, some times the incence fist then the cross , then akalights candle holders then other servers , then the priest leading up to the high alter nothing super natural what ?? we welcome our lord jesus christ at communion , we say the rosery , anglicans dont , we say in the service hail mary full of gtrace the lord is with thee , we honour our mother mary , anglicans dont we honour saints have saints days in uk we catholics sufferd so much under the anglicans , priests were put to death if they gave communion , guy falkes was a catholic , there called english martys, the anglican church has a lot to answear for the wrongs it did to the catholic church , ie sacking , plundering our churches of there wealth , crosses icons amen
Anglicans were not perfect in the beginning, in fact I feel like the Roman Catholic Church did much more evil and killings throughout the centuries. That doesn’t excuse that though. Lutherans, the first Calvinist, and the radical reformers all made mistakes. We are not perfect people, but it’s the gospel that perfects us. One thing we know about Anglicans is that they are Catholics(not Roman) just like every other Protestant denominations is catholic for we all believe in one catholic(universal) church regardless of our denominations. I love my fellow Anglican brothers and sisters in christ coming from a nondenominational Christian.
