Angron Thal'kyr, the Primarch of the Twelfth Legion of the Great Crusade, was so powerful and so wise, he could use the warp to influence emotions to create... Black Air Force Energy... He had such a knowledge of the warp he could even keep his OG's... from dying...
Angron was forced into roles he didn't want by every ally he ever had except his foster father gladiator. His story is a lot more tragic and sympathetic than someone like Lorgar or Fulgrim, for example.
It’s easy to see how he could’ve been a loyalist if he was given just a bit of help and had the nails subdued or removed. A Dornian heresy Angron would definitely be an army thatd be cool to paint
@@dexaphobia8085removing the nails would've killed him. But if the Emperor saved Angron AND his men he would've had new Initiates for the War Hounds/World Eaters and a thankfull, loyal Primarch. When the nails eventually killed Angron his legion would've been proud to have fought on his side, sing war songs about him and his fight against slavery and include him in their battle cry. Angron could've been Spartacus but he became Kratos because of the Emperor's stupidity.
It’s hard to see how he could become anything but where he ended up. I couldn’t see a single reason for him to remain loyal, but he’s not innocent either, perpetuating the abuse onto the World Eaters in the vain hope of feeling that kinship again. But again, his worst moments are born out of agonised lashing out and grieving desperation.
@@dexaphobia8085He's only written that way because the Nails numbed his ability to feel beyond bloodlust and base aggression along with occasional pleasure stimulation from killing.
‘You’re still a slave, Angron. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Too hateful to learn. Too spiteful to prosper.’ -Guilliman hitting the nail on the very tragic coffin
That final quote is incredible. It really speaks to the kind of Primarch Angron was born to be, crafted to become. Much like Jaghatai, he truly grasped the enormity of their situation, as butchers for a tyrant, hounds for a brutal master. If not for the Nails, he might've been as compassionate as Vulkan or Roboute or Jaghatai.
I always thought Angron was just a blood thirsty murderer but those quotes really show he was intelligent and could see through the bs. His fate is actually pretty sad, doesn't excuse the atrocities but still sad.
@@Cdot94 Actually due to his circumstances, I think he is innocent through and through . Every atrocity he perpetrated was due to the horrors implants in his brain .
The Emperor you can call a bad father but he was never a tyrant or a brutal master. He showed great patience and restraint towards his sons and to countless worlds during his crusade. Just look at Lorgar and Angron, sons that Big E should have aborted the moment he set his eyes upon. One of the reasons the Emperor almost lost to Horus is because he didn't have the heart to kill his most favored son, despite everything Horus did. Eventually he killed his son after he saw the cruelty and insanity of the Warmaster. Every single traitor Primarch is either broken as a person or proud while every rational and functional Primarch and countless regular humans defended the Emperor to the end. That showed how much of a "tyrant" he was. The Emperor always saw the bigger picture and had noble goals like destroying Chaos. He is the only hope for humanity like it or not.
Angron didn’t force the butcher’s nails onto the World Eaters, the World Eaters lead by Kharn did it to prove to Angron how far they were willing to go to relate to him, and it was after that Angron finally realized the World Eaters were honorable enough to be lead by him and they were not some group of the Emperor’s cronies that were forced upon him.
Even after the legion implanted the nails angron still saw them as mindless dogs, willing slaves of a tyrant to be used against the weak. He didn't respect them for it because they did it willingly while himself and his fellow gladiators had the nails implanted in them against their will. Other than kharn angron only really respected the loyalist world eaters he slayed on istvaan 3 because that was the first time any of his sons fought back against his own tyranny.
There are several theories as to why the emperor treated Angron the way he did among my favorites: 1. the simplest is that angron represented an aspect of the emperor's self that he didn't like. 2. another is that it was punishment for refusing to serve. while other's had challenged him to prove his worth and Corvus asked for time to finish his war none had flat out refused. 3. in creating the primachs the emperor had given away parts of himself. he literally couldn't understand how important this was to his son, because the part that could've was gone. this also explains why he couldn't just make new ones. there is a nonphysical aspect to the primachs creation that he couldn't repeat. this is also why he couldn't grasp Logar's need for faith or Horus's insecurities. I also think this cause him to see them less as individuals and more as extensions of himself which is why he always just assumed they would do as they were told.
@@klim6440 Yeah I like this theory more. The emperor knows the primachs will betrayed him. It was part of the deal of the warp and Angron was apart of that trade. That is was during the Horus heresy the emperor didn't tell any of his Son's his plan because The emperor doesn't know which son will betray him first.
Out of all of the tragic backstories among the Primarchs, Angron's comes the closest to bringing me to tears. To lose those he loved and have his freewill totally taken, its just heartbreaking to me. Maybe its because I understand how it feels to have an overbearing parent just deny your choices and preferences. No wonder he betrayed his "god" of a father.
So, Angron, unarmored and nearly naked, through sheer force of rage and will and before ever recieving proper training, killed a Custodian. That is absolutely terrifying, and that is years before he even first donned power armor
@@accaciagame1706Nuceria had advanced technology; it was just the gladiators with neo feudal weapons out of sick entertainment of the masses. The world had tanks, firearms, artillery, etc.
Angorn was a tragically figure for the Imperium and it was unending rage that doom him and his Legion and plunged the Galaxy in a bloody mess that will forever drown in his slaughter.
yes i agree that the story of angron is a tragic tale, but it was to be fair the emperor who kicked his unending rage into overdrive by not helping angron or his slave army. the emperor has helped other primarchs in battle and taken in the people under the primarchs. if he had done the same with angron he prob would have stayed by his fathers side.
@@xzeke666x I mean, according to what the Remembrancer's said, Emps offered to help him. Angron refused, not sure if it was his pride or what, but he chose to refuse the Emperor's offer. Sure, I don't agree with Emps beaming him up without his fellow slaves (at the very least he could've also saved Angron's friends too), but had Angron accepted the Emperor's offer, a lot less of his friends would have died, just saying.
Yes my brother, Thal’Kyr is the name of the slaver family that owned him. His original name was Angronius Thal’Kyr. Meaning Thal’Kyr’s Child of the Mountains.
I'm just as surprised as you. I had always had the impression that there were never meant to be any last names for those sons of the Emperor who didn't get one.
There's Vulkan Hestan, Lorgar Aurelian, Roboute Guilliman etc. The Primarchs have adopted names of the families they grew up with after being scattered to Space.
Weep for Angron, O Imperium, for fated he was throughout his life to find his way to Khorne. Weep for Angron, O Immaterium, for his torment is never-ending. Weep for Angron, O ye Steel Legions of Armageddon, for he has come to you, knowing his time soon shall end, and Ghazghkull Thraka comes soon to destroy him.
Honestly I didn't realize the Emperor had actually offered to help Angron and his warriors defeat the Nucerians, even if it was on the condition of him leading the War Hounds. That makes Angron's entire plight a lot less sympathetic to me. But it also clarifies why Angron sees the Emperor as a tyrant, he was given an offer, refused, and yet was forced anyway. But just imagine if Angron had instead responded to the Emperor something to the effect of, "You help me save my brothers and kill the Nucerians, I'll lead your legion." Would of had a loyalist Angron I bet.
I get what you mean, but I’m not sure that level of foresight was possible for Angron. He was broken, after I’m assuming years of resistance and the effects of the nails, I think he just wanted to die with his men and women. I feel for him because he didn’t want to be a general, he didn’t care about an emperor and his dream of unification. They weren’t his dreams. The Emperor took what I would assume to be something extremely valuable to a former slave from him, his freedom. His free will was taken from him. And it’s clear the Emperor knew Angron would die, but he chose to get his buck for his dollar. Also, why are all the other Primarchs so autistic to not be able to see that? Hell, even the angel didn’t really do anything for Angron. Free my mans Angron! Let him die in peace!
There was an offer but it wasn’t a “Hey we’ll help ya bud I am your loving father.” It was more of “Come with me if you want to live.” The offer was to Angronius and Angronius alone. Not his people. That’s why he said “Nay knave!” Then good ol’ Neoth was like “Whatever, yoink” and took Angron despite himself. Angron was all like “Nooooo!” and Big Easy is like “Shut up pipsqueak!” and Angron was all like “You suck dad!” and Empy was like “Duh I know but I’m me so shove it.” And then Lorgar and blah blah blah Angron comes back omen omen omen ark blah blah and then mushrooms. Yup friggin mushrooms! Waaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!! We’ll see though. Angron by far, my most favorite Primarch. I hope he gets some redemption somehow. Either a good death or like a return to sanity or something I dunno I just hate his constantly being the bad guy because somebody else was an a-hole to him. He’s never seen as anything other than a monster. I think the only one who really maybe cared was Sanguinius.
Angron is nothing more than the whiniest of the Primarchs. His rage is nothing more than the impotent rage of the victim. Impotent because no matter who or how many he slaughtered, he could never, ever assuage that rage. The best part of the Horus heresy is his DEFEAT at the hands of Sanguinius, and his realization that the rage of Sanguinius is true rage. Pure. The rage of righteousness.
I think his death will come at the hands of Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka. He has to answer for Yarrick, after all. That was Ghazghkull's favourite enemy.
Hey brother amazing video. However we know Angron was banished back to the warp when Sanguinus defeats him. The reason the legion fragments is due to Angron not being in real space for thousands of years. Khorne uses his most prized asset in the great game. Then when Angron is summoned to the orks home-world known as armageddon, this starts the cycle, he returns again to the conquer and the world eaters have started to amass. He is a beacon of slaughter to the world eaters they are drawn to him like a hive to a queen. It explains this in the new angron book.
The quote in the beginning made me realize that the Emperor let Lorgar keep his other abusive father in his life, even though the Emperor could probably sniff out the sickening vibes that dude was giving off alone. Big E really just choose to not care for Angron even a bit.
The Emperor just wants #$@#$ done. He never cared how or why, just as long as #$#@ got done. Any impediment to his progress like Lorgar's wasting time with building cathedrals, THEN was a problem. He is the Master of Mankind. He does not ask. He only expects....
@Eckskalibur again a matter of convenience. The one thing not brought up in the video is that Big E was already on the planet in pursuit of Angeron. The High Riders cut a deal with big e to surrender peacefully and join the Imperium willingly, all for handing over Angerons location. The Emperor readily agreed, not knowing how much the High Riders had abused and tortured Angeron and was caught in a vice to keep his promise or to purge a world all for sake of a problem he didn't fully grasp at the time. The choice was obvious even if seemed absurd to Angeron It wasn't until long after the fact that the Emperor discovered how extensive that dark age ^&^% was destroying his son, and by then it seemed terminal so Big E decided the problem would resolve itself eventually. Then the heresy exploded. In his face. The Emperor was probably like "D'oh."
@Eckskalibur yeah, and? By time The Emperor found Angeron, the nails were already hammered in, by time Big E realized they were a problem, the nails had literally replaced entire sections of Angeron's 🧠 in a way that Arkran Land foremost expert on dark Age tech for the entire Imperium was stupefied and aghast at how they worked far beyond what they were supposed to based on historical records. Even threatening them with death, Lorgar couldn't get any useful information out of the high riders Angeron was "dead" before the Imperium ever recovered him. The nails were meant to be a slow, painful and entertaining death for rebels by high riders of nuceria. No one imagined how they would react to a primarch but the end seemed the same as for everyone else ever implanted: terminal. There was nothing anyone could do to "save" him, so Lorgar damned him to eternal hell instead .
16:58 man this makes me miss drop assault shame the lisence for it expired it was fun as sure there were bugs but it was the most enjoyable strategy game I've played in a looooooong while I'll miss drop assault and my alliance members. see you again some day teaboy thanks for helping me understand the game VF reborn we all shall meet again in Valhalla
The beginning is actually wrong. The Emperor never offered to help Angron in the battle, he only told him that he was his son and that he needed to come with him to command his legion, and the Emperor never let Angron take his gladiators with him. Also, the Emperor was not “disappointed in Angron’s tactical acumen” as you say, in fact quite the opposite, The Emperor was actually very impressed with Angron’s great victories but knew he would die in this last battle as he was outnumbered massively, therefore he forcefully teleported Angron to his ship in order to save his son because he knew he would be a useful tool.
The best explaination ive ever heard about why the Emporer didnt help Angron was because when he met him and saw what had been done to him he realized he couldnt help him. He thought of the ancient Terran shark, and how if it ever stopped swimming it would simply die. It always needed something to hunt to kill to keep it moving. Angron was much like that shark. He knew that if Angron got his revenge on the masters he would lose the thing that drove him forward the thing he hated so even if he helped him win his war he would slowly fade and die because he didnt have his reason to hate. So the Emporer loved Angron so much he didnt want to see him die so he gave him something to hate and a reson to keep going, even if it meant he had to hate him..... 😢😢
"angron...angron...angron..." A red and white light was called in the warp. A gold presence "Father...?" It was the daemon who would not speak. The true soul of the red angel spoke in horor. "My son. You must wake." "No...please no...look what i did,i destroyed so many..." "You died on nuceria when those nails were drived into you. I cant hold on longer...please...help...your brothers are returning..." The light merged,as a man woke upon a world in snow. Waking up in the wilds was a man. The true lord of the red sands rose confused. Coming to a frosted spring angron saw he was changed. He was a man. Tall as an astartes he looked...himself without the butchers nails. Tears flooded angron as he looked to the sky. He was free. Free of the nails. Free of being a beserker...free... "Father...why..." To be continued...
@@WarmasterWirMustard sadly its fanfiction. A alt universe of 40k in where the emporor, struggling to keep himself together does all he can to reunite as many sons as possible Directing the slowly dying sevatar to guilaman with the corona nox for the shard in the big es sword to cleanse his mind Guilaman finding clonegrim and the lion And lastly,angron surviving the frozen hell of fenris in which he must come to terms with his sins and potentially save the wolf king as he makes a race aganst the forces of nurgle to bring isha out of the warp into the reletively safer realspace to prevent capture
You'd think the emperor, aspiring master of mankind that he was, would help Angron in his battle, then offer advice if not outright help in punishing the slave masters of Nuceria. Just imagine it, how loyal a primarch Angron would have been if the Emperor hadn't been cruel.🤦🏾♂️ Sad.
Did the emperor condone slavery? otherwise, his actions make no sense. And honestly, it's not like he was on a tight schedule, he could have just come back in a few years. It's funny to see how the so-called master of mankind lack in humanity.
@@efaristi9737 khorne put his focus on 2 of the primarchs. Sanguinius and angron. This comes from a theory I have about the emporer knowing which gods were going to go after which primarch.
🟠 Loyalist Angron, who looks like a barbarian warrior but is actually a rock of discipline and valor worthy for the World Eaters and the Emperor (example Blood Angels). With his warriors, then finally with his sons, Angron manages to liberate the world of Nuceria and become its ruler. It would be clearer to say that: Angron is saved and raised by the village of the city of Desh'ea and then sells himself as a gladiator planning its conquest and liberation, neither he nor Oenomaus receive the butcher's nails but they are still forced to fight with Angron who gives an honorable death to his dear mentor, then (recruiting more villagers and soldiers over time) in the last battle the Emperor decides to send the World Eaters to defend Angron and his warriors (recognizing potential new forces for his XII Legion) and subsequently, with all medical science, heal the heads of the surviving men. A good example is Vladus Barca himself (practically the loyalist version of Angron). And the World Eaters choose to repaint parts of themselves red to honor the title (and above all the sacrifice) of their father: the Red Angel. Angron also lived alongside ferocious predators, the wild Wolves of Nuceria (hard-skinned beasts), before being taken by the people of the village. And just like the Iron Hands with the Bulls of Medusa, the Dark Angels with the Lions of Caliban and the Space Wolves with the Wolves of Fenris, the World Eaters learn to build a bond with the creatures of their home planet. Another good possibility is this! Oenomaus had already freed Desh'ea and ruled House Thal'kyr, then after hearing about the boy named Angron, raised first by wolves and then by villagers, he decides to recruit him among his warriors, seeing him as their hope. Angron thus grows well becoming a just adult, in a reborn city with a large army of strong warriors, successfully leading his valiant soldiers (and many others thanks to his empathic psychic power), with the title Red Angel, against the tyrants (witnessing the tragic but honorable death of his father figure in the last battle), ultimately becoming the Warrior King, powerful ruler of all Nuceria. Some time after the planet's pacification Angron meets the Emperor, this time voluntarily embracing his place as son, Primarch and father of the XII Legion of War Wolves (World Eaters), officially making Nuceria their homeworld. Or maybe even this: all the cities of Nuceria are governed by several Warrior Kings (with a valiant warrior spirit, fighting against the tyranny of bloody Beastmen), who over time see the rise of the wolf Angron Thal'kyr as a sign of a worthy ruler (and future worthy Primarch)! (A soul like that of Sanguinius) 🟠
6:53 the butchers nails the let me dream they give me peace, what would you know of struggle roboute?, perfect son when have you ever had to do anything but tally compliance’s and polish your armor, when have you ever had to fight against the mutulation of your own mind, you know nothing of courage you know nothing of honor
Guilliman's dialogue with Yassilli Sulymanya in Dark Imperium: Plague Wars implied that he takes a more sympathetic view of the hardships his traitor brothers endured nowadays.
I think Gulliman certainly realised that life has not been as easy for some of his brothers than it was for him, especially after seeing that the Emperor was not the father figure he thought he was.
@@efaristi9737 HALF true. Yes Guilliman understands that his brothers had their reasons, but at the end of the day his brothers still betrayed him, still betrayed and nearly destroyed the Imperium. He can understand them but he cannot show them any mercy as they will not hesitate to bury him and the entire Imperium.
Big E has had a lot of time to reconsider that maybe he should have handled things differently. A LOT of time But at the same time, end of the day he's still The Emperor and in the choice between his sons and his Imperium, the sons are going under the bus. He is still the Master of Mankind and The Big Picture is more important than entire sectors of lives and resources. He might be a little better than he was, but he's still a monster if push comes to shove. Horus was one of the only sons he ever really cared for, and we saw how that fell out.
Two things I don't understand, how were they able to subdue Angron to implant the butcher's nails into his brain? Also when the Emperor teleported Angron away from his final battle, why not help his son by doing what he wanted which is to win the battle?
I can only assume they used sheer numbers to dog pile him or threatening to kill his adoptive father/friends doesn't seem far fetched. As for the emperor as praised as he is with all the justness and divine light he's a pretty cruel man committing genocides across the stars. A lot of people will say his mission and goals are so great millions of eggs have to be broken to cook that omelet but it's left him with an absolute superiority complex and other issues I can't put into words. Angron's outright refusal was probably a major blow to his ego so leaving the gladiators to die was probably out of spite. At this point I really can't say if there are any 'good' sides in 40k but it's grimdark so maybe that's the point,
Given that every other primarch unified their worlds, I get the sense (no idea if this was the writers' intent) that Angron proved more a disappointment to the Emperor. The Emperor wasn't one who rewarded failure and he wasn't one who would waste a resource. He wanted to salvage what he could from one of his most expensive weapons.
@@JLAvey Yeah but Konrad came from a planet of criminals. Big E still let him recruit from them for his marines. I just cant see him being so out of it that he wouldnt have seen the value of pulling from a trained fighters, that had already shown undying loyalty to what would have been their primarch. It like Big E gets to be the most wise master thinker, and then gets a pass for missing obvious things. How do you NOT grasp that leaving this mans ONLY family to die is going to be a big problem.
The Emperor never offered to help Angron's Gladiator Kin, which is exactly why he then refused to go with him. And for that refusal Angron was kidnapped.
The way I see it, Emperor basically lost a child, found him in middle of two criminal gang fight as an emaciated dying addict. Thinking like that, i understand why emperor did not want to rescue any of the eater of city. Everyone is focusing on Emperor's apathic toward Angron, but maybe Emperor's judgement was clouded because in his mind he can only see "what had they done to his precious child."
The emperor really screwed angron! He should have reinforced him and his boys in their last stand. This the first lore video ive watched on him well done sir.
as sad as angrons story is i do really like him, his tale has a flavour of spartacus by rising up against his opressors/slavers. how he reacted when the nails more or less forced him to kill his mentor and even when beeing taken away from his gladiator "brothers" show us how caring he was or maybe even is still behind his new form. even if he longs for battle, skulls and blood now more then ever i do belive he still longs for revenge for his gladiator brothers, nails and so forth.
Emperor did two things bad when he came for Angron. First one was not saving his comrades. Second one was not allowing Angron to purge Nuceria with the War Hounds to bond them.
17:58 That attempt should have been made literally decades ago. Such a tragedy, Angron potential, destiny, his very being! were spolied before he even fly up to the stars. I don't get why the Emperor kidnapped Angron, it would have been so easily for him, even with just a bunch of custodian, to destroy the slavers armies and even conquer Nuceria entirely. Or even just to offer a escape route to Angron army. Angron would have been grateful and getting Nuceria into the fold was in the Emperor plan anyway so why not doing it?
I mean Angron has a point. Big E could have came down and helped Angron but he didn't. Instead he spent time screwing around with Russ having drinking and eating contests.
Big E"and I am telling you..hic...son ..that is why i will never go to that side of the galaxy again and what not...hic....hmmm...I feel like I have forgotten to do something...what was it...I can't..hic...put my finger on it....(GASP)...OH SHIT....I left the oven on"
His son's claim to be angry all the time. The Angry Marines would like to argue against that. Angron is insufficiently angry compared to the Angry Marines.
I think the Emperor was disappointed in Angron . He wasn't able to conquer his home world and was about to die when the Emperor found him. He treated Angron like a failure. Angron deserved so much better.
I always thought that the more heartbreaking and tragic reason Angron hated and despised his Legions' weakness was due to NOT pushing back and outright refusal to his insistence on taking of "The Butchers Nails"... Very much at the risk of Death for the Legionaire. "There is Honor in Death with one's Refusal to Bow!"
I think it would’ve been nothing for the emperor to conquer the highborn. I resonate with angron because like him I’m also a child of neglect. This was completely avoidable, I don’t understand why an omnipotent being like the emperor couldn’t see this.
Because gladiators aren't soldiers, a mob of gladiators won't beat an army, the butcher's nails make Angron a poor leader of men especially if he's fighting in the battle himself, and primarchs aren't invulnerable. Angron had the benefits of the legions backing and the support structures of the imperium. Angron and a couple thousand gladiators and rebels with no real supply lines or logistics don't stack up to an entire planetary army with advanced tech. If Angron had never had the nails, he would've likely succeeded in rebelling and have been a loyalist primarch.
Honestly, Lord of Red Sands sounds way better than Red Angel. It’s an epithet that gives more personal context without making him sound like discount Sanguinius.
I’ve never really understood how angron was 1 captured and forced into slavery and 2 subdued to implant the nails when he took out a squad of eldar, who presumably probably had technology more advanced than anything on that planet, as an infant. This always seems to be glossed over in all these explanations.
A whole planet of Techno barbarians can subdue one demigod better than a small squad of elder. He wasn’t a chaos god after all. He was still mortal. Just super enhanced with super long life. And he was basically still an infant when they captured him
@@Cinerary Are we to believe an entire planet worth of warriors was gathered at the capturing of angron, with him slaughtering hundreds or thousands before they got him in chains strong enough to hold him? I don't think so.
@@coops3600no. But the point is, they had high technology, and there’s enough of them to be able to subdue him. A squad of 20 eldar are still just 20 eldar. You bring 200-500 men with high tech weapons like Nuceria has, he’s not coming out alive. He’s an infant demigod. It’s more unbelievable that they subdued his adult form but I’m sure they had devices for that. Maybe they could have gone into more details, but they didn’t. If that’s the most unbelievable thing you’ve read in 40k you just haven’t read enough lol.
Angron could've been the Spartacus of Warhammer 40K but because of the butchers nails he became Kratos with brain tumor and CTE. All the Emperor had to do was saving Angron AND his men. They could've been transformed into Space Marines, a gratefull Angron would've lead them from one victory to another and when the nails eventually killed him the War Hounds/World Eaters would've worshiped Angron, honored his legacy by defending humanity as loyal servants of his father: the Emperor.
It's surprising that Nuceria appears to have had no taint of Chaos despite bringing a smile to Khorne, had he known about it. The Butcher's Nails seem like something wholly inspired by Khorne, yet the Emperor detected no Chaos in it (Chaos artifacts always have taint even if they don't use warpcraft in their operation) when he examined Angron alongside Arkhan Land. Then again, the Emperor somehow missed all the Chaos worship when he visited Colchis. It is amazing how incompetent Angron was given his many failures to escape. If he could slay hundreds in the arena he should have been able to escape easily, I doubt they had an entire army to guard him. Even 20 or 30 men should have been woefully insufficient to stop him.
Crazy agron was meant to be like an empath with ability to calm his brothers from the pain of war so he probably would've been just as good of a man vulkan was
I never knew his full name. As much as I love Angron, this brings more context to this video, which I saw about a year ago. It makes me feel worse, for Angron: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KwEKZ4UCoYA.html
Angron the main reason why the emperor is not good guy, neither a reasonable man. He should be a battery for all eternity. And guilliman should be the new emperor
Maybe his power to absorb the pain and negative emotions of others also affected him as much as the butchers nails. The pain and negative emotions need to go somewhere.
You say Angron was the last to withdraw from Terra, but what about the part where Sanguinius ripped the nails out of his head and(temporarily) killed him.
Sooo much went wrong for The Red Angel.....From the Eldar he fought with upon his pod landing...which wore him out Making it possible for the slave master to capture him.... Which then led to him being sold to a Gladiator Household, Which then led him to develop a sense of "Family", and honor amongst his slave brethren, and receive a Father Figure in his older slave mentor. Unfortunately, this led to him going against the slavemasters will, and giving them a reason to basically lobotomize him. And then more kiiling...He FINALLY ESACAPES LEADS A RAG TAG ARMY..AND IS THEN EVENTUALLY CORNERED AND ABOUT TO DIE. HE IS SAVED BY THE EMPORER, WHO REALLY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT DECISION THROUGH I.M.O., AND THE REST IS HISTORY. THE NAILS CANNOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT KILLING ANGRON (EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALREADY KILLING HIM..JUST SLOWLY)AND HE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN LEFT TO DIE AN HONORABLE DEATH AND BE PUT OUT OF HIS MISERY. HE WASN'T A PRIMARCH LIKE HIS BROTHERS ANYMORE. HE WAS BROKEN...HIS LEGION WERE DOING JUST FINE WITHOUT HIM, AND HE BASICALLY SENTENCED THEM TO DEATH SIMPLY BY BEING GIVEN HIS SONS. HE HATED THEM...FOR REALS HATED THEM...IF NOT FOR KHARN HE WOULD HAVE KILLED THE ENTIRE COMMAND STRUCTURE IN A MATTER OF HOURS. It all comes back to win his pod crashed on nuceria, if the Elder hadn't been there he might have been able to go hide in the mountains until he was at full strength and I don't think you would have been captured at that point and he could have taken over the world like the rest of his brothers did instead he was caught unawares and was screwed over right at his weakest point and that set the ball in motion for him to be screwed for the rest of his life. If only a couple things could have been different we would have gotten a very empathetic but also extremely calculating and brutal Primark and that would have been sick. I wish that there had been a way for them to remove the nails safely as well I mean come on and your you telling me you can't figure that out? Owal now we have a demon primarch with electronic dreadlocks and we have Kharn who's just a badass, KILLING EVERYTHING LOL!!! So carry on boy's !! 🩸🩸BLOOD🩸 FOR🩸 THE🩸 BLOOD🩸 GOD!!🩸💀 SKULLS 💀FOR 💀THE 💀 SKULL 💀 THRONE! 💀💀💀 LET'S GET IT! 🪓🗡⚔️🪓⚔️🗡🛡🛡🛡🛡⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️
To think all he had to do is help his son get revenge agianst the people on that planet and maybe then he wouldn't betray the emperor same with mortarion if he would have let him get his revenge things would have been diffrent
The Angry child. GW wrote him to be VERY one dimensional after the Horus Heresey. Kurze got his duality of personality after the Horus Heresy, but Angron they sort of threw away.
Wait...The Emperor offered to help Angron against the slavers? He didn't just say "Like it or not, you are coming with me", got refused, then beamed Angron up anyway? He actually offered AID in exchange for Angron rejoining the fold, and Angron refused the deal? Wow...that puts a new perspective on Angron's story...hell, it makes Angron a liar and an idiot according to that quote in the beginning. "Did the Emperor Teleport with his gold wrapped custodians down to help me with my army?" Because according to this, THAT'S WHAT HE OFFERED TO DO IN EXCHANGE FOR COMING BACK INTO THE FOLD, ANGRON!
I don’t think so. If I recall it was more like “come with me or you’ll die” Angron said he wouldn’t leave his family behind. That he would bring them with him. But The emperor was like “they are no longer your concern,”
Angron ends up being the Primarch troll, you can kill him but he keeps coming back. In battle he only has tactical kill ability, almost no strategic ability since he can barley speak and form coherent deep thoughts. Why not just capture him put him on a ship and drop him into a star. Then let him enjoy burning to death and reforming over and over for the rest of his miserable existance.
We could fix his lore fairly easy. The Emperor saves Angron because Angron purposely chose a suicide mission that not even he would survive. The Emperor destroyed the target first leaving Angron alive but he was forced to kill his followers to release them of the agonizing death by the butcher's nail, an experience that would seal his fall. There was attempts to undo it, Fabius Bail suggested the need to replicate the nail, in order to determine a safe removal. The entire legion volunteered in an attempt to save their Primearch.
I never understood why the Emperor would not have had the butcher’s nails removed when he found Angron. It wasn’t until later, that their incorporation to his mind went past the point of no return and would have killed him were they removed. It just makes no sense other than to further the plot.
if Angron's brother and sister survive from the battle and join angron' side.....not many, but just one.....maybe angron would not become who he is now.
