@@Guasho not true ..when one is given, they want more ..” he deserves one now”… it never ends .. it’s not soccer after that ..watch the copa America..reds all over the place
@@forzajuve4845 A few yellows early in the game will put a quick end to such shenanigans. The ref was trying to be a pal, didn't want to effect the game. Dug himself a hole.
@@kerrysmith1899 most young new refs are like that .. they feel if they make waves and toss players out, they won’t get good games anymore..some of the big clubs have a lot of influence and the assignors are being watched too
Fouling... is part of the game? Ever heard of a tactical yellow lol? But yeah obviously that wasn't really the type of fouling that was going on in this video per say, it was more fighting than anything else
@@soccertrash3698 the problem is that in the beginning of the game the ref decides to let go off some fouls where he should have penalized and penalized some fouls where their was no foul. Players feel that and go search for the limit. The problem is not the players but the ref. Put a decent ref on there and you wont see half the fouls we've seen happening.
@@TomVerhaegen The referee was good apart from being a little lenient in some parts. I think you will find that if you removed the parents complaining on the sideline it wouldn't have been half as dirty
@@tommurray9807 sorry do not agree on that. It is not the parents/fans. It is the ref not calling fouls he should call en give cards for, if he does that you get another game. Fans and parents still gonna call names and stuff even if the ref makes the right decissions.
15 year referee here. Yes he struggled for control - late and inconsistent decisions, poor foul recognition, weak discipline for reckless and excessive challenges. But let's not lay it all at his door, it took an assignor to put him in a match he wasn't ready for and a system desperately short of referees. Those players demonstrated appalling lack of discipline and respect for the game, and the coaches and spectators were firing them up. Recipe for disaster.
As a 5 year referee in America, you’re absolutely right about everything here. And because of how dickheads act in these games, it dissuades younger players and people to try and become referees. We don’t have enough refs especially when you’ve got 4 games in a row. That third and fourth game you’re not mentally ready to continue doing your best job.
its not ref incompetence ..the refs are pressured from the system, clubs, assignors not to toss players..he did miss some calls but the players dictated the game..if he calls it tighter, then its water polo with excessive whistles or he starts tossing players..then the assignor sees 4-5 ejections and hears complaints from the clubs that the ref couldn't handle that level so he uses yellow and talking to the players the whole game
Definitely assigned beyond his competency. Coaches and players at this level should also be assigned some blame. As a coach, referee, and club president I would be having a stern conversation with any members from players, coach and then the assignor or mentor.
@@lawrencegould7264 I’ve played for over 40 years .. reffed since the 80’s.. honestly ..he’s not my type of ref.. I do believe he talks way too much to the players to the point of ruining a possible good flow of the game .. the players seemed to be more concerned with mixing it up with each other ..seems like a history there .. but if this game was played without the video, it would be hung solely on him for not handling the game ..he talks to them ONLY as a ref and not as a person .. players want to see you’re a human .. I would like him to show his personality while he refs.. the way he talks to them goes a long way .. he did miss some calls ..maybe his view blocked by players.. everyone commenting wanted him to toss players .. that’s not always the fix.. where does it end .. if that was a tournament he would probably not be invited back especially if he started tossing players .. the most frustrating thing as a ref when doing a college showcase tournament is when you ref the game and you don’t have the full support of the tent ( ref assignor) when you had to toss players .. I’ve seen the assignors cone to the center ref, after both coaches and parents complained to the tent about the ref, ask the ref what happened but NEVER ask the AR’s what happened.. not every AR will agree with the center ref about his calls .. then the tent will try to whittle down the red cards to yellow to make the PAYING clubs happy .. he needs a better style .. he seems to picked a style from watching professional refs on tv ..
I actually didn't think the ref was as bad as the title said. He missed some calls and what not but his biggest error was not giving cards earlier. This game is a no win situation bc it looked like there were a couple dirty players anyways (18 on red, I believe, comes to mind) and was just gonna be a tough game to officiate.
Dude I feel for the ref, these kids had no intention of playing the ball, in a real futbol match there would have been a whistle every second. You might as well call nothing and let them play whatever form of soccer they were playing.
This refferee let the players decide how this game was gonna go within MINUTES of the start of the game. Rough game needs to be called very tight. Call everything until they relax. Do not let them play like that
This is U21.. not U8. It is up to the team to decide what kind of game they would like play..... fair game or hospital visit. The fault is on the players and the coach. Not the ref.
@@Tlatoanimeh I coach U8 all the way to U19. By the time you run U19, if the game out of control like what I see here, it is the coach and the team faults. These young men knew what they are doing. If you cannot handle the game, move to lower division and play kick ball. Many of these players barely have any agility. They are just one step up playing like the girl. If your 21 son in that team, you need to let him trained harder because some of these collision is simply because they are not agile or lack of experience in reading what could happened next. Some of the tackle were so intentional like payback and the players does not know how to tackle properly even if they want to have some payback.
I'm a coach at youth level in England. It might be a cultural thing but I've never once heard either coaches or spectators giving that level of abuse to a referee or players of the opposing team. The referee could have managed the game better but how are the coaches setting an example for their players and parents for their sons when they're constantly questioning every decision. Over here the clubs set out their expectations of how everyone should act on a matchday and whilst abuse still happens, it's rare and certainly not to the extent that I've seen on some of these videos. I'm not sure some of these coaches would last very long were they to coach in England thats for sure. Respect definitely lacking from everyone involved in this match, that includes the players.
Welcome to North American “soccer” my friend. I’m a referee in a rural area, and parents and coaches get so fired up and become unable to reason with or even talk to after the smallest thing, and this is a thing in all the sports here
@@Alex-fl8cm That's such a shame. It makes you wonder why anyone would want to be a referee - the funny thing is, without referees there's no game! Do you guys have a structure in place to support you? Like a referees association or a complaints process through the leagues these teams compete in?
@@sameer6563 What do coaches have to do to become licenced over there? I know there's a formal qualification system similar to what the FA offer here in the England but do clubs at this level demand that coaches have at least a 'beginners' level qualification before coaching a team?
@@danrowley1150 we do not, our own employers most of the time agree with the fans and players just to make them go away most often. As a result a lot of people say the most brazen things to the point where any dissent I often have to give only one warning before I start carding people.
I got a copy of the referee's report after this game. It started like this, "so two hockey teams with no discernable soccer talent but some very loud dads decided to give soccer a try . . ."
Sad thing about being a ref at this level is that nobody expects the kids to play perfectly, but they expect the ref to judge perfectly.. as if you could put any of them in a Champions League final without any mistakes That being said, the ref made plenty of mistakes
As a level 4 English FA official, all I’d say is the ref should’ve been stricter on the cards, especially on the dissent side of things, but this wasn’t the sort of game that he should be officiating as he quite clearly lacked the experience for this level
Hmmm...is that so.....is that why we see the premier league players getting away with dissent so often on the telly....so it's your fault then, for not setting the example at the top...trickle down effect really!
@@johnchemo4248 I mean I’m not a PL ref so it’s not my fault whatsoever, and it’s pretty clear that PL officials are told to ignore the dissent/get on with the game whilst that’s the opposite of what’s expected lower down the footballing ladder
@@elijahkhaira ...so obviously you are easily offended by dissent...I'm not and will always use my roadblocks first...so, what I relly wanna know is.....do you like pulling your cards out in front of the mirror when home alone?
@@johnchemo4248 are you like the ref in this video or something and have taken offence to what I’ve written or such? As that might make a little bit more sense (if not then I’d say it’s pretty clear your some sort of troll)
0 discipline in the players too. They all seemed to want to foul and get revenge more than actually playing. Especially Red team. I lost track of the number of fouls in the back they had lol
@@skylaryoung3819 It goes without saying that the player's are out of control. It's up to the ref to maintain the integrity of the game. If he's not giving out cards before stuff spirals out of control, then the players will think they can continue with their behavior. And that's what happened here. And that's why OP said what he said.
The ref calls the game based on the rules, not based on players' feelings. Frankly, the calls he got wrong were the cheap free kicks with exactly one mistake shown where he was lenient.
...and if he sends players off, he's ruined the game....how about you go and do that and see what happens to you...seeing as you are wannabe ref in an armchair!
I agree the ref should have called significantly more to gain control of the game. But players shouldn't behave so poorly either. Idiots on both teams were too hot headed, and the ref should have realized that and started calling a way tighter match.
I think the ref did a pretty good job trying to control the players. the red team players were very undisciplined. I would have sent a few of them off.
Ref did fine, although in hindsight he should've been stricter early on. The aggressive reactions from players, coaches and parents made this a game that was meant to get out of hand from the beginning. He didn't make that many horrendous calls, but he definitely should have booked the high studs in the first half. I have had refs a lot worse than this guy. I also think he acted respectfully towards players, which sadly didn't rub off on anyone else on or around the pitch.
What we don't see..... the AR.... a good AR would have made a few of the calls that the center was clearly turned away from seeing, i.e., a couple of those late hits by players.
Referee did ok.. It was the player, coaches and spectators who were causing the issues. Most of those parents and coaches don't have the balls to referee a game!
If he had called it the other team would've said "He didn't touch him, how is that a red?" and they'd get rally mad. It's best to just play on and call it if he gets fouled
@@mguddeti intent to injury is a red card. Just like if someone were to swing at a player and miss. By not calling a serious foul like this, you set a precedent that can cause a serious injury further into the game. Your job as a ref is to control the game, something this guy had no clue how to. If there is malicious intent, you call it. Regardless of contact or not. Your not going to wait for a player to get hurt before you start calling serious fouls.
@@Crupi-kf4ss I understand it’s a foul, and I’m not justifying the ref not calling the foul, I’m just saying from his point of view, nobody gets hurt = play on = everybody is happy
@@mguddeti okay and continue to watch the sequence of events. Red is pissed off, Red 9 fouls Blue 2, NO CALL, Red 19 Fouls Blue 8, Call. By choosing to turn a blind eye, you had 2 fouls by Red that could have caused an injury because they were upset about someone almost breaking their players leg. So No, i do not see anyone Happy
idk if u meant 3:23 but in my opinion that one was worse and that was why everyone was yelling about it cuz the players cleats were almost if not at the level of his opponents knees
I used to play as a kid and enjoyed it for the ten or so years I played until I began hyperventilating and had to stop. But this reminds me of issues I didn’t realize at the time. I remember coming across teams that ranked regularly because the players, parents, and the coaches were all about being aggressive even if it injured your opponents. There was one team that played both in my casual league and the upper competitive league, a major difference being that slide tackles were both allowed and taught up there but not for us. The biggest difference was that my league had no card system, only penalty kicks, which didn’t matter due to their superior skills and physical abilities. So they were technically able to get away with anything. For me this culminated in one of their forwards getting fed up with me (left defender), due to me constantly poking and clearing his dribbles with my tiny size and speed. So while the ref wasn’t watching, he body checked me head-first into the side goalpost. This happened twice and the refs never called anything. Sorry for the lengthy post, but it’s nice to vent. Even if it’s been around fifteen years.
The players aren't skilled enough to play on turf. The ref isn't skilled enough to handle this level. The fans lack the competitive maturity for this level. Everyone needs to work on their game.
10:46. Linesman was correct on the call. If you slow it down, you see the player behind the last defender before the ball was played, thus making him offside.
@@michaeloconnor5904 Carding players early on when you see stuff boiling over is a good way to contain that... Not sure what you don't understand this is reffing 101.
That ref was absolutely appalling, he let so many red card offences go unpunished. It’s a miracle there wasn’t a broken leg in this game, he just let everything go and the tackles got worse and worse. Shocking.
its not ref incompetence ..the refs are pressured from the system, clubs, assignors not to toss players..he did miss some calls but the players dictated the game..if he calls it tighter, then its water polo with excessive whistles or he starts tossing players..then the assignor sees 4-5 ejections and hears complaints from the clubs that the ref couldn't handle that level so he uses yellow and talking to the players the whole game
I'm feeling for the ref here. I have been in a similar situation a few times in my early days of refereeing. You see the roughness in the tackles, but in lack of confidence you take too long to judge it - in the end you just let it go. Later on that I learned the balancing thought, blowing the whistle or not blowing the whistle - both are decisions. One mentor taught me that, in the cases of rough tackles early in the game, that strictly speaking is on the ball, you can still whistle it down and give the players a sign to take it easier. Also, when YC someone in big tackles, you do well to pause the game a few sec (take your time with noting down the player, etc) before you restart. If a player was "hot" (even if he hasn't made a big foul yet) a ref can look for an opportunity to calm him down. Once I saw one experienced ref take 10-15 sec to do breathing exercises with a 19 year old hothead - it was a funny situation, but it worked. The player kept his discipline afterwards. In this game, I notice the sliding tackle at 3:21 - should have been whistled (dangerous tackle, no hit, indirect FK). That might have been a key moment that set a standard how the players see the ref. Else, on a general level, I wish the ref used his voice more authoritatively - especially when they argue. I see his hands wave players away, but he would likely gain more respect for using a loud clear voice. As mentioned, I feel for him - it was a difficult game to oversee, and the players were quite undisciplined and the coaches with audience showed little respect for sportsmanship.
This one of those games where there is no advantage. The temperature is way too high. Obviously there is bad blood between the two teams. There are nasty challenges all over the place.
I have been officiating youth and adult soccer for about 7 years and one thing I was taught early that has stayed with me and has always been true - when you issue the Caution you must “gain” something from the card. If you have issued 6 or 7 cards in a match like this dude then nothing was gained and at at least three different points he could have sent a player off for excessive force and maybe regained control.
Neither team had the ball handling skills to do that. Both teams were over the top and outrun the defense, but neither team could outrun the keeper, a skilled team rarely passes the ball a third or more of the field. That is all this game was.
Those are those matches football goes out the window, players start getting pissed and they just head hunt. If the ref called the dirty or dangerous tackles bit let them play physical then it would have been better. Plus this is 21 up club... You're done with club at 18 here unless you're with a MLS academy.. other good players play college Instead.
Referee was decent and I wouldn’t mind sharing the pitch with him. We are always learning and growing. It’s hard to get the feel of the game and when things get dirty you have to be even extra cautious. A good talking to, to a team captain or coach to control his team works wonders. Once the cards came out it was a bit cleaner over all except for 18 red.
What video did you watch? It was dirty the entire time. Some guy got kicked in the face and no card. A blue player slid hard multiple times with no intention to get the ball and was never carded. Ref was decent? This was one of the worst refs I've ever seen.
@@paullee1521 maybe he did something or said something to get kicked in the face and the Ref thought it was justified and he “didn’t see it” . Un written rules of sports and officiating is bitter sweet sometimes. I have had well over 4,000 games in my 20 years as a US Soccer federation Ref and I can tell you I have seen much worse. It might be clear and easy call from standing on the sidelines and having replay. I can tell you sprinting 60/70 yards multiple times and then having to identify fouls while watching other things you have to watch is almost impossible. Not to mention both sides bitching the whole time. You will miss some calls no matter how easy they are.
Outside of not giving a few yellows and 2 missed penalties I didn't see much that the ref missed. You could complain he should have set the tone and that the game got out of hand but these players, coaches, and parents seem insufferable. Nothing the ref did would have been enough. If you are playing U21 you are not good and have no future in the sport. Just go out there and enjoy it before its gone. The amount of diving and fouls is absolutely laughable.
This is like high school soccer on roids. I swear my HS coach was always saying to get into tackles hard and anyone with a clue knew better because if the opponent has bad technique you can get seriously injured in a tackle. I broke my foot in a HS game in exactly this situation. Almost blew my college career for me.
Maybe if these teams concentrated more on playing soccer rather than bitching they would actually score some goals...or at least get some shots on net or something 🤔 just a suggestion
From my experience as a ref, players naturally get more aggressive throughout the game. If you start the game not being strict to the rules and letting things go, you are already putting yourself at a disadvantage in having a good game for everyone. Stick to the rules and don’t let yourself slide on not making calls. Also, if you’re not making a lot of calls, it’s probably because you’re either out of position or you’re not applying the rules correctly. For older teenagers/adults, you can almost find a foul where someone is pushing someone every 30 seconds to a minute. If you’re getting a lot of fouls and players are not stopping (the fouls are getting worse), apply your card as much as possible where it’s appropriate, until the amount of fouls decreases. You have to do this in games like this because you can very easily get an out of control game where people are getting hurt, like this one.
I live in Vancouver where my son plays on a fairly top flight club in his teens. He had a teammate that just quit because he was sick of how rough it was. He had moved from Brazil with his family a few years back and is an extremely skilled kid, he just didn’t like how we seem to play here….much like this game showed.
Ref needed to throw some early yellows to regain control of the game. Those players were reckless as hell and most the cards he issued were for professional fouls and delays, while letting the dangerous tackles go unpunished.
The call at 8:38 still scares me. Free kick, no card. This is a easy Red Card. He opviously didn´t see the point of contact (shoe on head). But I agree with the comments above from amateurreferees that players can´t behave themself. A couple of wrong call is no reason to completly freak out.
Now, I'm not a futbol fan, I'm not against the sport just not my cup of tea. That being said, the only disgrace I see in this video is the players and fans. The only one carrying themselves in a respectful manner was the Yellow shirt
#4 center back for blue was really good. Being center back isn’t easy especially when you’re the one the team looks to as the ‘strong’ guy to handle physicality the best. But he pocketed pretty much everyone
The players lost their discipline* Hard-hitting tackles are gonna happen and they can be legal, but if the players decide to make it a battle of retaliation, then that's on them.
He shoulda at least yellow carded the red player for the belly to back suplex early and set the tone that they wouldn't get away with the bull. That's where he lost control.
Needed to stomp out the dissent earlier. And, at the end, he booked a player for dissent and then didn't follow through with a second yellow when the player very loudly continued his dissent. Refereeing is about confidence.
i love how the sideline and players immediately blame the ref whenever their team-mate gets fouled. they don't seem to understand that referee cannot prevent players from tackling/fouling.
Na no ones to blame here. I’ve definitely seen worse officiating. Should have been some more called/cards given but still. The only ones that were really awful were the parents. They know nothing about what they’re yelling about and even if they do...parents need to shut up
I think he was a good ref, the game is getting so soft, its good that he allowed contact on BOTH sides. He missed a hand ball, but it happens. In any competitive u21 league, if u talk back to the ref like that ur getting a card, some players were actually lucky they didn't get a card there. He's way calmer than most refs. Overall good ref tho
I agree the referee let this one get away from him. However this was NOT an easy match to referee. Very difficult. Not enough misconduct was given out. Many of the challenges in this game were cynical and reckless and were not managed properly. Some shaky handball decisions as well. I don’t think he did as poorly as everyone is making it out to be, but he definitely struggled for sure.
There is supposed to be some care and control when challenging, neither team exhibited any of that. More clutching and grabbing, throwing of elbows, dangerous high kicks, I am surprised there was anyone left on the field.
I can't make any significant comment that hasn't already been made. I will say though that the level of play, when disciplined, showed skill and potential. Too bad not everyone was focused on playing within the rules. Excellent editing on this video, by the way.
If i had been the ref, the teams might be 8 v 8 at the end; such bad sportsmanship/thuggery from both teams. If they are like this at U-21, what will they be like when they're older.
its not ref incompetence ..the refs are pressured from the system, clubs, assignors not to toss players..he did miss some calls but the players dictated the game..if he calls it tighter, then its water polo with excessive whistles or he starts tossing players..then the assignor sees 4-5 ejections and hears complaints from the clubs that the ref couldn't handle that level so he uses yellow and talking to the players the whole game
@@forzajuve4845 If the refs are so influenced, i feel sorry for anyone playing under that system. That is not football. If the ref doesn't control the game, play by the rules, and eject players who commit continual serious foul play, then it's UFC with a ball you're playing. The 'beautiful game' shouldn't be so ugly.
The ref had a difficult time controlling the game but the majority of the blame should be on the players. No one was playing the ball and it turned into a free for all. I knew it was probably going to end in a draw, more fouls than actual soccer being played. A couple of nice set pieces opportunities to be fair.
0:35 in the UK that would have been absolutely fine. I have to say, compared to the UK some of these tackles were quite soft. There was also a lot more diving in this game to compared to over here.
Youngs guys, ref needed to take control. 5:30 13 blue folded red over with no chance on the ball. When people start fouling to catch people off balance it's not socce any more.
its not ref incompetence ..the refs are pressured from the system, clubs, assignors not to toss players..he did miss some calls but the players dictated the game..if he calls it tighter, then its water polo with excessive whistles or he starts tossing players..then the assignor sees 4-5 ejections and hears complaints from the clubs that the ref couldn't handle that level so he uses yellow and talking to the players the whole game
7:40 (edit: this game is from 2017 which the handball laws were different but I would argue that the arm is in a natural position so still no handball) this can't be a hand ball because it came off the player's own foot first. Unless the referee is saying the defender deliberately handled the ball after kicking it.
When I was 15 I was on a u18 team. My team beat a bunch of college freshman’s with females on the team ( co ed team). We actually played the sport because we respect the sport unlike most people that tries to play. Most people that play love to act, get calls instead of playing, and flop. Parents ruin games as well trying to speak on stuff they don’t know.
It's not just the referee who needs to "control" the game. The coaches are responsible for this as well. As a referee, when asked to 'control the game', my response is usually to gather both coaches, and tell them each to control their own players. And then I tell them that for each yellow card a player on their team earns from that point forward, it also earns one for the coach. Two and you're gone. If they can't control their players, they have no business being a coach. And then I instruct them that I will be calling it super tight the rest of the game. Calling everything I see. That usually calms it down pretty quick.
Whenever I coached a raft I always wear a hat any time A parent started popping off about my ability to coach a rough, I just politely took my hat off and offered them the job ......"would you like to ref or coach?" They would usually not respond. Then i would say, "there can only be one coach and one Ref...... I am happy to go over and sit down in the stands and watch you do it. If you don't want to do it then I guess I'm going to do it and so I'm gonna ask you to go over and sit down in the stands." One guy was dominoes to take up my offer and he tried refing 10 year olds and he lasted 10 minutes
I’ve played in enough of these types of games where the ref is responsible in a sense of how rough the game will be played. Parents were also the issue
I can say when I was in my youth and I started refereeing I have done same thing this referee did and I quickly lost control of the game as the players seemed to want to play their own game of who could trump the other teams tackling and pushing etc. What this referee needed to do which he didn't after the first couple of strong tackles was he should have taken the stoppage in play and pulled the 2 captain's together and said "look guys things are starting to get heated now, I understand your passionate about the game but remember it's a game and you have to respect your opponent and their safety. Then proceed to tell them that if things don't calm down that he would start to calm down the game himself. As referees we are meant to be invisible for the most part and only their to ensure the players safety is taken care of. Unfortunately once he started to lose control he wasn't able to get it back as he did not step in early enough to realign the teams and calm their emotions. When I became more efficient at managing players before each game I would go to each dressing room and introduce myself and just give the players a quiet word and say guys I am here to officiate a good game, please stay on your feet, respect each other and let me do my job. And for the most part it worked. I told both captains if they have an issue to approach me calmly and I would listen. And I generally had no issues. You'll always get a player or 2 who decide to take matters into their own hands but that's unavoidable.
This is one of those games where the ref will never get control. If he gives cards he’s condemned and if he doesn’t he’s condemned. It’s really up to the coaches and players to decide if they want cards or hospitals
I wonder if this referee ever played the game himself. Looks like he got most of the fouls correct, but his game management was not proper. When you get a bunch of U-21 players, full grown men at the peak of their energy (if not athleticism) packed into an undersized, non-regulation field (too narrow here), sometimes you get games like this because the players never get tired. There are a bunch of chippy fouls that deserve yellow cards, player mouthing off to referee, "accidentally on purpose" bumping into the referee, showing displeasure publicly, grabbing onto the ball and holding it to prevent other teams from taking free kicks, incidental pushing and shoving. As ref, you cannot let ANY of this stuff happen. You just start giving yellow cards from the beginning of the match and players get the point and calm down. This referee lost control early on. You got a serious foul, you gotta slow the game down, give a yellow card. Deliberate attempts to injure players on the other team is "serious foul play" -- straight red card. You have to pull it out to establish discipline so the rules mean something. Hopefully not very often; it makes it easier to pull the red when you've played the game and know what is "serious foul play."
