Angular’s Third Era is…weird 

"Is This The End Of Angular?" I want to be able to trust your titles man. I don't like or dislike Angular, but I loathe click-bait titles.😞

Wiz was designed by Malte Ubl, who is now the CTO of Vercel.

The bundle size is not about network, it’s about the memory available on the devices that consumes it. Usually the processor for the browser is different from the one that process the video, and TVs and other devices highly cheap out on the processor and memory to execute browser. Therefore a smaller bundle and less instructions are a huge win in performance, more than network transfer.

16:21 I do think that we have seen the signal based reactivity scale much better ! A fine grained reactivity model is the main reason we could drop VDOM, increase performance, reduce bundle size and even opens new ways to compose UI logic using these new primitives. VueUse is a good example. And we have seen all major Frameworks (well no, not react) collectively bet on this new model, be it vue composition api, solid signal, angular signal or even svelte runes - which was interesting that they move away from compiler magic and chose explicit reactivity model instead of an implicit one. For these reasons I do bet on this model and it's scalability. Thanks for the video ❤

Google: "for this position you need at least 8 years experience in Wiz" Me: "what is "Wiz!?" 😐 Google: "Oh, it's our internal tool/framework" Me: 😑

qwik was created because misko was inspired by wiz so this is quite interesting

15:08 i'm watching a lot of RU-vid on bad train wifi

If the RU-vid team is interested in improving performance on "low-end" devices, maybe they should uncouple resolution from framerate and finally let users enjoy FHD/QHD on their perfectly capable device that only struggles with the useless 60fps video of a guy talking...

The call-out for people to rip youtube videos without permission, slightly edit them, and reupload them while explicitly saying you don't care about copyright laws is disgusting. I know I shouldn't expect much from someone who built a career on reading blog posts verbatim while interjecting minor comments, but still. Really disappointing.

Theo, I'm working on something like that, to make a cliff notes version of a video, using simple trimming features, right on youtube.

i use YT only up to 480p to reduce bandwidth.

…meteor it’s using signals called tracker since 2012, mobx is based atoms which are a kind of signals. Why is signals an unproven concept?

Signals are unproven? Knockout. Backbone. These were widely used?

There's nothing interesting about signals only needing arrays and closures XD They're essentially just signals, aka an array of functions to callback when something happens when you get down to it, closures means it can handle stateful callbacks, that's all there is to it

So there is another rewrite of some enterprise application that no one has time for? Is keeping the name but nothing else actually the same framework?

I have used wiz and it’s pretty cool

I saw the "Angular is DEAD" item in your notion when I watched a stream this week, and I'm surprised at how much more clickbaity your notes are than the actual video

Angular is the Java of the web

Theo, question. I don't see the subscribe button. I only see the unsubscribe button 😢

oh boy, wiz like piss?

Subscribe button didn't light up. Are you trolling us, Theo?

Sarah Drasner is a woke flagship figurehead that has no strong skills 🤮

For me Angular is still a Frontendframework for Backend Developers who do not want to adapt their mindset (Backend is my main skill, so i know what i am talking about). To me its still wrong to use the concepts in Frontend.

Please, just title your video "Angular is merging with Wiz?" - I'll watch it. Stop being so cheap and clickbaity.

c'mon Theo, we're beyond clickbaits at this point, the video is interesting and I'll probably watch it. just title it correctly

I clicked on the button for signals as you suggested and sadly got unsubscribed :(

Great video. 👍 At a certain you mention that Angular is slow. I'm not sure if this is widely known outside of Angular, but that is not the case nowadays. On the bundle size side, Angular allows you to easily lazy load every single page of an application in a easy and developer friendly way with standalone components, just use loadComponent in the router and that's it, the screen runs on a separate bundle. If you want you can also load parts of the template of a component conditionally using @defer. For example, load a PDF generating library only if a button is clicked. On the change detection side there are no significant performance differences to other frameworks, especially with OnPush and also with default change detection. Soon with signal-based change detection there will be full blown fine-grained reactivity. 👍

"The flexibility of React..." yea that died with nextjs. React has turned into the thing it advertised not to be a long time ago.

Angular is actually better than before especially recently

RU-vid’s mobile web is so outdated, I’m really surprised they bothered updating it lol. RU-vid mobile web feels like it hasn’t been updated in years.

As and Angular dev, it's really exciting to finally start getting a bunch of W's after years of stagnation. The last year and a half has been wild and looks like there's plenty more to come.

Theo whatchu talkin about for unproven at 16:40 ? Knockout observable and computeds anyone? MVVM? SolidJS for years and years? We don't need a YT case study to "prove signals" bruv; we also don't need a redux or RTK for signals, afaik. They just are such a profoundly good primitive that you can create your own boundaries naturally with composition and normal patterns (DDD/MVVM/Composition). Just like huge state machines / RTKs/reducers/webs of interconnected state all break down, signals are the same - it comes down to system arch and design to keep it scalable. Signals are much closer to events than state, and events in the browser are king. Video games often stop at events and polling frame by frame. Long live signals

ahhhhh clickbait title

Angular dead? The development community is rotten to the core, and clickbaiting too. Angular is, hands down, the best web-development framework out there by far. React and Vue are libraries (than end up being as big and heavy as frameworks like Angular when it comes to real-world projects) for fanboy developers who are scared of true advanced tools and follow stupid marketing trends.

I actually like Angular. BUUUUT I'm a C# engineer with a lot of experience with RDMBS and C#. Something about Angular really clicks with me where React just seems overly complex. I'm not saying React is bad. I was actually contracted to work on a massive React project but the project layout and all of the different folders and things to implement state management seemed needlessly complex. I will say that I was able to start a mini project and ended up using a vertical slice architecture over React and it made the project much easier. I think my biggest problem was just project sprawl. "Ok, no go here and edit the reducer. Go here to edit actions. Go here to edit tests. Go over here for sagas. Now go over here, etc." Again, for someone used to it, I'm sure it's great, but as someone coming in fresh it was really overwhelming. I plan to stick with learning React and hoping I hit that "click" moment since that's where all the jobs are but I'm really happy to see Angular getting some much-needed love. Thanks for covering it!

They're definitely going to lay off 60% of both teams.

Its a good year to pick up Angular

Please don't talk about the Angular if you haven't worked with it, it seems you have opinions about it from 10 years ago, please stop. And the clickbaity titles aren't helping you either. p.s. I'm not subscribed or someting, but I sometimes get your videos recommended because I follow web dev, but you my friend, are far from it, you seem like a type of person who only likes one tehnology and uses others to cause some kind of negative attidute against them which is not an engineering mindset at all :/

Angular era is sooo good rn

Angular Rocks 🤘 p.s the use of signals was discussed back in 2015 withing an Angular Team, proposed by Rob Eisenberg, who was part of the team at that time.

Very happy with Angular. Looking forward to even more innovations.

The subscribe button did indeed not change

you've really got wonderful editors... be proud

Btw Qwik was inspired by Wiz

I worked at YT until recently and while I was aware of the move to "the new Wiz" and "signals", not once did anyone mention Angular. This really does sound like they're just replacing Angular with the new version of Wiz. I did like how their screenshot of the YT Desktop app was about 10 years old.

RU-vid mobile might be a very small percentage of their traffic, but it's probably still a massive amount of traffic compared to most websites.

Will you ever pick angular for any of your projects? And why?

I'm (mostly) an Angular dev and I watch your stuff to keep up to date with the wider FE landscape. It's really cool to see you talking about Angular at the minute because it does feel like an exciting time for the framework and I think it would be a shame if creators ignored it just because it's Angular.

I must say, Angular is definitely one of the frameworks that exist.

Yo at around 15:00 you sayin' something whack. Leas JS means u start content stream faster, and YT will ramp up so 260/480 playback can start (or roll an ad 🤮) and it aint gonna be Mb with google's crazy compression and streaming caps. Just Kb to get started and they squeeze hard - be good to Wireshark to see if they optimized for first packet on initial stream or not (ie in a handshake or something too)

angular is the best react is a cryptic shit

please keep the words "Angular is dead for a day it will be worth saying". They are pushing it as much as they used to push GWT. I remember the day I went to manager to tell him GWT support will be dropped in 3 months. GWT is a dead technology. I was soo happy. Somehow the thing(GWT) is still alive and has support but we got rid of it when management still worried. It changed the team and reflected on others project once we moved away from it. I work a lot in Java environment which mean Angular everywhere my eyes can see. I have always hated the routing on angular, love the pipes, multi stage forms can be hard.

Been fan of you for a while but you keep throw me Click bait stuff, Unsub

Taking a 'wiz' on Angular lol

So what now? Wangular?

Sounds about right to merge with "wizz" next time they can merge with with doodoo next

Yeah, dislike and unsubscribe for these annoying click baits.

Angular scales better than other frameworks, but it's quality ceiling is lower. Please subscribe.... riiiight

why do we need so many different choices in JS that do the same thing, especially with the fundamental things like frameworks, package repos etc. developers should not split their time on different things to become just mediocre, we need specialisation and we also need marketable skills, and some of us have a life too.

Wiz, Angular, Polymer, Lit all doing the same thing. Absolutely Google way of doing things.

It'll be really cool to see the performance improvements the Angular + Wiz teams will be able to bring to Angular in the near future. Right now, among mainstream frameworks, only React performs worse.

18:57 have you heard of sponserblock?

I have been thinking of editing down tech conferences for a while but always been terrified of copyright

They were testing the highlighting like sub buttons feature long long time ago. Unless they re-wrote it, it's not signals :D

i don’t even write javascript i just like the videos

Angular probably not the fastest, but way you are implying here sounds like it's slow. You've been out of the loop for quite a while. lol I prefer you would make such statements when knowing exactly what you are talking about.

Lies all over the place. So sad to see this

So that’s why GCP console is buggy and slow like sh*t

theo is a true angular hater

We should call it Wiz. Angular is dead after this.

why you happy angular being dead? quite toxic take.

I adore the way to prompt your viewers to susbcribe

About the point you invoked about "if an app is serving Mbs, what's the point of optimizing it's code into Kbs" I think you've glossed over the fact that you had your answer when they spoke about the performance gain on skimming and navigating inside the video 😅 I mean that, there's no relationship (or there shouldn't be) in most cases between the size of the app bundle and the assets served after the app load, in the case of RU-vid, people can/may tolerate a slow loading video, but not a slow loading UI that loads a slow video 😊

geeez... angular+nx ... no thanks

Angular is dead. Long live Angular

Transition from 1.5.8 to 2nd was so smooth experience. Unforgettable and unforgivable to a point, that I rather create my own JS framework, then come back to it.

RU-vid mobile would still have 300 million users. That's a massive win for any framework to be used like that. I checked the mobile site on both chrome and brave browsers. It's still stuttering heavily

kaiOS is extremely popular in India with jio phone, with around 20$ you get a 4g phone with youtube, facebook, whatsapp etc and it works great. make a video about it

TCL produced the Blackberry devices until a few years ago, same as they do with Nokia. They don't own them.

You are confusing bandwidth with time to reactive UI. Users in low bandwidth environments download videos.

Server side rendering, server side components, data binding.... all we are missing are GOTOs and we're back to Visual Basic baby!

Open Sauced on Top!

Blackberry 10 had a similar approach to KaiOS, in terms of web development, but I abandoned that project when. I noticed that it was a waste of time and effort

1:58 React devs have been saying this since 2015 but Angular has been faster than React since 2017. It's not a high bar.

Tbh, I don't know anything about wiz, so this news means nothing...

What about GWT? Google Web Toolkit

To be fair mobile RU-vid is great. I only watch on the browser. I have the RU-vid app disabled on my phone.

Did my part by testing out signals here, can confirm, the subscribe button worked.

I'm really curious about how he enabled the bang search definition with the Arc command+t thingy 🤔

For them to agree with Angular being more focused on enterprise, you can't more honest with your product

15:12 In reality that isn't a problem, because YT can define a precise profile for a feature phone to use its native video support, so it can benefit of both low size (if it uses relative new codecs) and not being CPU/battery intensive. The biggest PITA will always be bandwidth stability, because that poses a bigger problem related with buffering, but these feature phone have at minimum 512 MB of RAM (some of them 4GB!) so a well encoded video shouldn't be problematic. Running JS probably is more complex, so a smaller bundle is way better.

When you said "subscribe" the button stayed uninterested as ever.

but youtube still one of the heaviest web app. I have low spec laptop, and i always avoid to open youtube when using that laptop.

Finally something that was only applicable internally had external side effects, jeje😅

Oh boi, it's time to write a web app with Angular v1, v2 and v3 at the same time!

As if a new framework every day wasn't worse enough, Now frameworks are fusing together.

Click bait is ok from the creators side but it makes the user feel bad about the creator (user starts hating)

I was using Angular partly for the stability and now ... ugh

Battle is now with Devin not bashing angular framework wars over now Ai war

I watched this on RU-vid mobile Web and the button did glow