Great build! Instead of the winch, have you considered a worm drive system? You could have a rotating central threaded shaft which the carrier runs up and down. This would have the added benifit of being a good failsafe as the worm drive wont allow it to slide back down unintentionally. Keep up the good work!
Awesome build mate. That paint looks awesome. As a suggestion maybe run a ratchet style strap at the rear of the front wheel which will give three points of contact and hold the tyre hard against the brace stopping it from being able to roll out of the holder. Just a suggestion, I am sure you will figure it out as the rest of the design is brilliant
I used to use a bike rack that slid into my towbar. I modified it slightly so I could use a ratchet strap to pull the foot pegs down. It was as simple as some eye bolts slightly wider than the foot pegs and slightly in front of them. I used 2 ratchet straps. The first would connect to the left foot peg. Run through the left eye bolt and pull from the right eye bolt. The second would connect to the right foot peg and run through the right eye bolt and connect to the left eye bolt.
Maybe some sort of large over center latch. Like the type that is used to hold swing out tire carriers closed. But design one that's stout enough to hold the weight of the bike.
Loving the build mate, I do think you’re hugely overthinking/complicating the tie downs though. A set of either turn buckles or miniature chain binders would be quite adequate, simpler and probably quicker.
You could run run a ratchet strap from your sled, over one peg, under the bike and over the other peg and back down to your sled. You could incorporate a few pulleys into your design so the strap doesn’t get bound up and could run the strap parallel with the sled so it’s easy to actuate the ratchet. You could also do this closer to the ground so it’s easier to do up.
Damn I thought that idea would for sure have worked, cheers for giving it a crack regardless Richie👌 Another concept I had (which you can rig to even have forward and lateral pull on the bike) is to have a rope a fixed length with hooks on the either end which attach to pegs. As the winch pulls the slide up, the rope gains tension by pulling up around the front of the slide and back to a set of pulley blocks fixed to the canopy under the final peg location (which redirect the rope upwards to the pegs). Bit of a hard one to explain, I’ll shoot you a dm with a rough drawing.
For the foot peg clamp....why not make something that's like a hook that's is mounter to a hinge on the canopy. The more you slide the bike up the more it pulls.the bike down into the canopy. When bike is off the canopy you the hinged hook can lay flat on the canopy...just a thought
I would have like to see you go in the direction of a hydraulic arm lifting a sliding platform onto the Ute bed like the ones used on trash bin loaders or car hauling platforms.
Hey bud, love the build and the design. I was thinking for the foot pegs you could make some brackets that go through the center of the foot pegs and pin into threaded tie downs with some beefy latches so you can be sure that the bikes are locked in and will not move off-road yet are still easy to operate. Definitely not an easy design task for sure. You and a few others have inspired me to put my fabrication to some use and I will eventually be starting a channel of my own. Happy to try and put my idea into fusion but I’m still learning 😅
Wonder if you could use the stand-off you have created for the peg mount but at a pivoting clasp that would rotate around the peg as the bike travels towards its resting place and then install a pin through the rotating mech into the post?? I could draw you up something that would explain it easier. No matter what this is an amazing build love the truck and bed system,,,,,outstanding!!
Put a strap around the front rim tied to the wheel brace. If those are Ballard's wheel braces, which I think that are, they come with a little strap to do just that. Then the wheel will be locked in place.
How about you use a soft shackle around the front wheel, run the winch rope from the front of the carrier back to the soft shackle (and if needed for clearance, back to the carrier). Then as you winch in, it will pull the wheel into the carrier and sold that problem entirely, as well as add extra security incase the wheel grip fails.
For a minute there I thought it was going to include a slide out hot plate or cooker ... BBQing alone ... all set to jacket off yourself... Todd Carney designed bubbler and you're well on your way !
I like the ideas and development you are doing to design a Moto rack system that is different to anything currently on the market. However from an engineering and practicality point of view, I feel like you have missed the mark. I have watched this build series from the start and I recall you mentioning this idea came from wanting to wheel hard tracks whilst also carrying the bikes. You might find it hard to wheel 4wd tracks (or even public roads) where there are no trees. The bikes protrude well over a metre above the cab and will be damaged by any tree you drive passed/under (like that one on the footpath). It is also quite a complex design with a lot of moving parts. A simple task of stowing a motorbike is now a 15min exercise. I believe there is also numerous failure points with this design, particularly given the environment for its application. The many bearings/wheels may fail due to vibration, dust ingress and fatigue from a 100+ kg bike and rack bouncing on top of it. If a winch fails, how many people will it take to manually push the bike up the canopy to stow it. Will there be this many people in the remote places you are travelling? Will the rack slide just as easily when there’s mud, sand and grit between all the components from 4wding? I do like the concept and the design process that has gone into this system. Although sometimes engineers need to take a step back and look at whether it’s worth reinventing the wheel or simply making adjustments to an already available item to make it suitable for a different application. Keep up the good work. Love the progression of you’re channel, particularly the fabrication side👍🏻💯
Hey Hayden, I have no intention of taking it down hard tracks. It just needs to get to the campsite! 4x4's have mtbs on the roof all the time, so I'm not too concerned about height. Agree with all your concerns in regards to failurepoints! They can all be solved. The idea of this should make it a 1 min excercise with no staps! Just trying to figure it out. Thanks mate, appreciate it!
There’s a pic circulating the net lately of a turn buckle on foot peg failed and bike dragged behind the car for a while. The foot peg idea alone scares me, I’ve had one break and wouldn’t trust it alone. Run some straps from the bars as a back up and call it a win. Could even make it so you put the straps on before the bikes are winched up
Hey mate, that’s one I’ve been developing for the past 18 months to sell! Hoping to have it launched before Christmas. Video will be on RU-vid in the next month.
You can make use of the over-centre lever principle to pull down on the bike foot pegs when the bike is fully pulled up. The over-centre lever is also self locking and you can assert more leverage by making your lever longer. You can take it a step further and link the left-and-right hand side foot peg over-centre lever mechanisms together mechanically and just have one lever to actuate…it’s a bit more complex but doable I think. A thought on the fixed mechanical foot peg ramps in your video….that is a lot of surface area that is making contact with each foot peg. The angle of the ramps looks too steep for me….having a shallower angle, I think, will be better. Also, I would rather use a round profile instead of a wide flat profile that makes contact with the foot peg…like round bar. If it was me I would also look at the type of material to use for the round bar…this is for durability but I think you need a material that is harder that the foot pegs to reduce friction. EN8 maybe…? or a type of stainless steel….?
Thanks Riaan! Good suggestions on the over centre lever! I agree with you in regards to the ramp angle of the fixed holders - I just guessed haha. I like the idea of different profile like round, stainless or HDPE maybe. Cheers mate.
Hey mate. I know you like complicated things. Since you have the canopy under for wiring. Why don’t you try run electric actuators on a cantilevered design where extending actuator will pull pegs down and you just put a lip on the clamp to hold the pegs on bike from sliding down.
Haha thansk Matthew, yep Actually I think thats a pretty good idea - gravitating towards it. I'm not sure it even needs to be a cantilever - I'll look up some specs today.
@@DesignedandBuilt doesn’t matter the force of the actuator the more canter-lever you put on it the greater the force on the other side of the hinge point. Remote control relay set up push of a button and bam she’s locked and you’ve already punched a long neck. Haha
A mechanical style ratchet to pull down, similar to a high lift jack system but more compact…..having to manually compress the suspension is always gonna be a pain.
I have had a look, I personally don’t like the aesthetic of them on the back of the canopy! Also I want to use the peg holders as a failsafe if the front wheel holder fails. I'm not convinced it would work well enough given they aren't solid mounts!
@@DesignedandBuilt you must be looking at something different because they're attached with an L track and take 2 seconds to remove when not in use. the only thing fixed to canopy permanently is the L track which is as small as a 50 cent piece if using a single position point. (which is what they come with)
@@DesignedandBuilt Funny I was gonna suggest these too! Other thought is what if the binders(no matter the style) are mounted to the sliding tray, so you can lock it down closer to the ground, and as it gets pulled up there like little wings off the tray slide into slots mounting to the canopy to suck the whole tray down removing any play in the track system. So something like you just showed for the foot pegs but for the tray itself. Not sure if I explained that well enough. Ha Awesome build either way.
Out of interest whats the gvm and front and rear axle loads for this custom rig? What would it weigh with you and a buddy, 2 bikes, the kitchen stuff youre talking about and all the gear?
3400kgs! It's about 2400kgs with 200L of fuel so 1000kgs to play with. 220Kg for the bikes. Maybe 300kgs for the canopy as is so a fair bit to play with!
Why don’t you use a design like a ratcheting Jackstand but in stead of supporting something it is used in the opposite direction to hold the bike footpeg down Pull the bike up into position and drop the Jackstand style supports in from the top after the bike is in position. Obviously the head would need to be designed to accommodate the foot peg but that’s the easy part . Then when you want to get the bike off , lift the pawl lever and pull the centre section out Hope that makes sense !
It only really needs to see dirt roads I reckon, how far offroad do you really take moto trailers? I like the idea for the simple foot peg holders. But I really want to make them solid mounts for rigidity!
@DesignedandBuilt all depends where your going on adventure, weekend warrioring or full tour. All personal preferences... Yea they are rigid as fuk, used them or trailers and mo-tows on back of wagon ✌️
Tilting rack would be better. I didn’t care for it from the start but now your rig is single purpose. There is reason people use aluminum ladder ramps and a truck bed… just sayin
