IMO most of the building antipathy towards Rolex is the tasteless flex culture that has been building around it. It has priced out people who truly love the brand and watches. The lack of transparency with AD's and how they are handling the supply shortage is another reason. Basically, for the money and availability, you can get so much more and better with other brands.
Yep and they're a fashion very much of the moment and that always has an upward curve, then a moment of madness, followed by a plateau as some see this madness and then decline. The only real variable is the timing. IWC came up and they're a good example(minus the madness part, though the vintage end went a bit nuts). For over a decade up to the late 00's IWC were very much in the game on forums and the like. Then they faded away near overnight. Panerai another example. Not so long ago you couldn't move without bumping into Pannies, now they rarely get mentioned. TAG Heuer were pretty much _the_ aspirational watch of the 90's and now they're actively hated in many quarters. Then you have the "high fashion" jewellery brands of the glitterati, today that's Richard Mille, not so long ago it was Franck Muller. Most of the newer folks in the hobby would go "who?" about them.
I agree. I bought my Submariner for about $2,500 in 2003. It was a big purchase for me, and I had to save up for it, but it was still attainable. My watch is now worth about $10,000 on the used market, which even accounting for inflation is crazy. If I wanted to buy a brand new one, I probably wouldn't even be able to find one for sale.
This is one of those "it's not the watches' fault" situations. They're spectacular pieces and the movements are incredible, even for more than their retail cost. But when the market/speculators drive the costs into multiples of MSRP, it's ridiculous.
@@bobmclennan1727 One could easily argue that's marketing too Bob. They're not objectively spectacular by any stretch. They are and were always a mid tier "good watch" brand who innovated almost nothing that has gone up the scale particularly in the last decade. Their movements were decidely lacklustre. There was IIRC a Timezone article by a watchmaker who took one apart around 2003 who was not impressed to the point of shock at the flnishing on the movement. They've most certainly improved on that score, but they are IMHO very much overpriced even at RRP. Style wise? While Longines raid their old back catalogue for reissues, Rolex never needed to. They've been pickled in their own design language since the late 1960's. When they did step out of thier comfort zone with something like the Oysterquartz(which was their best finished and most innovative movement of the 20th century, but the "wrong" kind for today's tastes) they didn't sell. There's a reason their 60's and 70's Daytonas are so rare today, they didn't sell either. Don't get me wrong Rolex make very good watches and their Sub has become a design icon for good reason, but IMHO they're overpriced at retail and insanely overpriced in the grey market. But you pays your money... :)
As a Gen Z person, I got into watches because of its history and complications. Videos from channels like these really spur my curiosity (and subsequently emptied my wallet). I’m considered an old soul so I might be too aloof to speak on their behalf.
I think worrying too much or being too uptight about keeping your watches looking brand new is a huge source of stress, at least it was for me, and it really takes the enjoyment out of owning a watch. Watches are meant to be worn and used and when they develop that natural patina they tell the story of your time with it and that's a really cool thing I think.
As a Gen Z who got a Seiko 5 a month and a little over, its someone who was restoring a Breitling on RU-vid that sparked my interest in watches. The fact that consumer products nowadays are all battery powered that I find it intriguing that that Breitling didn't even have a battery in it. My take is, watchmakers should really try to get into social media platforms and advertise their products there more aggressively, not to the point that its irritating, but good enough to spread brand awareness. Oh and hello from Singapore
I thought about the question on tough mechanical movements and the one that jumped immediately to my mind was the ETA 6497 or 6498. These have been around for a very long time starting off as a pocket watch movement.
I don't get upset about people buying rolex watches, if ya can and you want one, then good on ya. The bit that gets me is why we all talk about rolex so much because we can't actually buy them. So much talk for a watch company that has empty display shelves everywhere is bizarre.
Sinn came to mind immediately as the toughest. As you mentioned Jenni, the movement needs to be considered along with case. I have several brands that are much more expensive than the Sinn but I still put Sinn at the toughest overall.
I'm a Gen Z and I'm really into watches and a few other hobbies. I think for my generation to understand the watches thing it'll be really difficult because we never had a need to own a watch, and that's the case for the majority of people today. No matter from which generation you (the reader) are, being into watches is a niche thing, just like books, a musical instrument, or jewelry.
Depends on what you call ’reliable’ because Vostok might be tough movement but accuracy is not good enough or reliable enough depending on the level of power reserve. 🧐😬
Speaking of movement Seiko movement are good and reliable ones over time. For swiss movement, ETA are known for being ’workhorse’ movements but lately professional watchmakers says that Miyota movement (so clone of ETA) are less likely to have failure or issues.
I've been impressed by the staying power of my NH35. If well regulated, it seems to stay really accurate, and can handle bumps and falls. No complaints here!
Hi Jenni, it’s been a while since you post this last video, r u in a holiday? Or having too much fun playing video game and forgotten about us? Looking forward to your next video in this channel.
I’m in awe of how fantastic Rolex watches are. They make the most robust and accurate automatic movements in the world. Their 904L steel and proprietary gold is by far the best. Their Oyster cases are nearly indestructible. And their timelessly beautiful designs mark their wearers as people of taste who have achieved success in their lives. Rolex is truly the best and we should all look up to their watches and be thankful for what Rolex gives to all of us.
This is another thing I love about this channel......Jenni has no watch snobbery at all, the girl has some sweet pieces however she counts the nh35a in great movements!! (rightfully so)
I have a watch with an NH35A movement, which I dropped about 3 feet onto a very strong aluminum toolbox. The movement seems to have survived, but it is now not keeping time properly. I suspect it just got knocked out of regulation, but I have not yet taken it to a watchmaker so I don't know for sure. This is a pretty extreme thing to happen to a mechanical watch, and obviously did not occur while it was being worn, so I don't think it is an indictment of the durability of this movement as such. I think the takeaway is that if you need really extreme durability, the answer may be a quartz watch. I have now bought a quartz watch to use as a 'beater', for when I am shooting, working on the car etc.
Agree about quartz.I got the Citizen ' Ray Mears' BN0118 for the occasions I don't want to worry about my watch. Possibly, a g shock will do but my sarb seems ( to me) more fragile ( no crown guards) to cover both surf'n' turf . Thinking of an A.Q. though...
If the error is constant but just a bit out, its worth trying to adjust it yourself for what you would be charged to have done for you, plenty of you tube videos
@@philspencelayh5464 Yeah I have tried to adjust it, but I don't think I'm very good at it lol. I tried that timegrapher software, but I don't think my microphone was adequate. The good news is that it does indeed appear to be a consistent error, so it probably is only a matter of regulation. I'll revisit it one day I'm sure.
The toughest mechanical movement out there today is probably Omega's modern silicon co-axial movements. They're basically impervious to anything but the most extreme environments. Also, I would love history series from you. The times you've dabbled in that so far are awesome (Fleiger and erotic watches videos come to mind).
I’m showing your vids to my daughters, because you’re the only woman watch reviewer I know, which is a bit of a shame.. besides they can’t really listen to anyone else (except me😉) talking watches and you’re so cute and relatable. Thanks and go on strong 😊
You can take any five uncased movements and drop them five feet on to a concrete floor or sidewalk and every single one will experience a degradation of its time keeping ability. In the end all mechanical movements are delicate instruments and need protection. In my case my main mechanical watches are Seikos turtles(4R's) and my OG SKX 009. I've worn them at work (police officer) I've done landscaping and pool work. I've gone camping and hiking and hunting, and worn them during shooting matches. The only time I take of my watch is to work on a car. My main belief is that the toughest and most easily repaired or replaced movements are the mass mechanized assembly line produced models.
Great job. Impressed you know what a ‘hot take’ is. And glad you have no issue w homage watches. That’s as close to an R as many of us who ‘you snooze, you lose’ and didn’t get one years ago when the waits were reasonable - will ever get.
Hey Jenni, a quick note on wedding rings. In general, wearing them on the right hand is more of an eastern hemisphere thing, and the left hand is more of a western hemisphere thing. However, the best predictor of which hand the ring will be worn on is if the country and culture has had more contact with Russia (right hand) or the UK/USA (left hand).
Great video as always Jenni!! The reviews in Watchtime will tell you that Rolex makes the most robust mechanical movements. IWC is just as good if not better than any other watch company in its price class.
I was given a GMT Master II a few years ago. Since then I've worn it almost exclusively; and I've built houses, repaired and sailed Boats and done all manner of mechanical repairs. This 116710LN has upgraded stainless steel which is much harder and more scuff/scratch resistant than earlier models. there are other improvements, but mostly improved cosmetics. The crystal is very hard and I do take notice when I knock it around and so far it remains unscathed. The Bracelet may need a polishing in the future, but I expect this.
You absolutely nailed it! The Gen Z are often lacking information mostly due to the fact that they are lazy to do the deep dive needed to get factual information. They tend to follow the masses rather then do critical thinking.
Yep, and this has always been true of young people at all times in the history. Young people are always passionate, the flip side of that is that they are also easily impressionable. That's the great beauty and peril of youth.
Pretty much every generation in history has said similar about the one that followed it. A sure sign of being old of mind is when you hear yourself say "kids these days haven't a clue". Your parents said the same about your generation and their parents about theirs. Rinse and repeat. 😁 Actually, if you are a Gen Z and you're irritating your elders, then you're doing something right. 😁 And I say that as Gen X.
In ancient times, the Romans thought that the vein in the ring finger on the left hand ran directly into your heart, naming it ‘vena amoris’, meaning ‘vein of love’. During wedding ceremonies, they would place the wedding ring on that finger, as a symbol of their eternal love.
What hand you wear a wedding ring is an ancient tradition. People from orthodox Christian countries tend to wear their wedding ring on their right hand (inheriting this from the Romans through the Byzantine empire, as the left was considered unlucky) whereas in western Christian countries people traditionally wear their rings on the left because it's considered closer to the heart. As for pairing your metals I feel that it's not really an issue since I always wear my pretty traditional gold wedding ring and a pretty traditional steel watch and I never thought about the pairing! I'm unlikely to be buying a solid gold watch any time soon just to match my wedding ring...
Thank you for another great video Jenni. I really don’t mind when my watches get scratched - each scratch just makes it a little more unique to me…and some scratches tell a story and are a part of memories.
Watch repair persons seem to say jlc movements are particularly shock resistant when compared to those of similarly complicated watches, distinct from the properties of the cases, with some frequency.
This one is certainly one of the best Q&A videos Jenni. The part about collecting black boots was a bit I certainly didn't see coming. Scratches on a watch, well the first one anyway is one I certainly have a little trouble getting over initially but for me it's all part of the journey and the memories wearing that watch. Each blemish has it's own memory. I don't baby my watches but like you depending on what I'm doing during the day may dictate to a degree what I'll be wearing. If I know that there is some physical chance of damage or perish the thought a possible theft I would not be wearing a Rolex but like you a Casio or a G-Shock etc. Have a happy new year Jenni and stay safe!
Jenni smiles so much that the rest of Germany need not. She occupies the field, and that explains why other Germans don't smile. She satisfies the national quota, and so many Germans are grateful or should be.
You should post the videos concerning the history of watches. I am very interested in the history watches and watch making. I'm sure others are as well..
Jenni - Thank you for yet another entertaining video. I have been primarily viewing Teddy Baldassarre and Watchfinder watch presentations u til I stumbled upon your content, but, I have now subscribed to your RU-vid channel. Again, thank you for the fine content, and here’s to a great 2022.
Thank you Jenni for another great video, love these Q&A! Taiwanese viewer here, it surprise me a little hearing my country in the list lol, just wanna say hi and welcome to visit this small but well, pretty beautiful island. Got into watches like a year ago, from then I was already your loyal audience. Love your content and see you in Twitch, and hopefully see you in Taiwan soon!
Thank you very much Jenni, your channel has been an excellent escape from COVID and has kept me sane… Enjoy your Christmas and New Year, I look forward to seeing your next broadcast in 2022. Hope you have a brilliant 2022 as you deserve great things for all your hard work.
Scratch removal - manufacturer service centres can remove scratches as part of the regular service but normally only if instructed to do so. Some of them (e.g. Rolex) can also repair dents and, within reason, even missing metal. Wedding rings - I also wear it on the right. It must be a Christian Orthodox thing (e.g. Greeks, Russians, Cypriots, etc); where I live it is worn on the left but I'm not a fan.
The thing that no one mentions about Rolex is that from a design standpoint, no other company has as many iconic pieces. Most watch makers have one design that that are known for, IWC and the pilot watch, Omega and the Speedmaster, JLC and the Reverso, etc. But with Rolex, it's almost every watch they make is well known. The Datejust, classic everyday sports watch that is instantly recognizable. The Day Date, another iconic watch, worn by some very notable people, LBJ, Jack Nicklaus, et al. The Submariner, is there a more iconic dive watch? Nope. The GMT master, it was created specifically for pilots, and remains the standard. The Daytona, if you raced cars, this was the watch to own (although the Heuer Monaco has it's following and the Speedmaster has the whole space pedigree). The Daytona has since transcended it's original function to become a luxury time piece. There's no reason for a platinum Daytona with an ice blue face and chestnut bezel, but man do I want one. The Explorer went up Everest, and both versions are exactly what they need to be, a rugged, no frills watch that is easy to read at a glance. Even the Milgauss, which isn't as well known, has a certain appeal. Perhaps it is just my taste, or that clever marketing has conditioned my thinking, but I think if you put any other name on the watches I have mentioned, then they would be iconic.
"The Daytona, if you raced cars, this was the watch to own" It really wasn't. They were very poor sellers. There's a reason 60's and 70's examples are rare today(and why so many look unused/NOS). By the 70's they were selling them off to people in the watch trade for buttons, with AD's even throwing them in as part of deals for other watches. "The Explorer went up Everest" Not on the first successful atempt it didn't. Rolex went on to publicly "apologise" to the Smiths watch company for claiming so in their ads. Just as they had to Harwood decades earlier after they claimed they were the first automatic watch. Rolex marketing is some of the best on the planet and has been for a very long time. To the degree that these days they almost never make claims for "firsts" themselves but let their fanbase do it for them.
Didn't know you were on Twitch - you have yourself a new follower! 100% agreed on the common sense aspect of not wearing your best watches in places where they are highly likely to get damaged - I was brought up to look after things if you're lucky enough to have them and it seems pointless and disrespectful to be scraping up a luxury watch not while diving, or at some memorable family occasion, but while loading boxes or fixing the car. That's what G-Shocks are for!
Constructive criticism: Please dont ever change. You are cute beyond words and your enthusiasm for your topic is obvious. My wife is amused as I watch these both by your snark and humor and by my crushing on you just a bit..... :) (she's ok with it as long as you never come to Colorado)
Haven't watched your show in a while. Nothing personal. I just lost interest in watch collecting and I've focused more on audio equipment. You're latest vid popped up and now I've been doing a marathon of all the vids I've missed. You're just fun to watch despite my interests having changed. I hope you post more watch history vids. That would be a different take on watches than all the other RU-vidrs. I'm glad to be back 🙂
Most solid mechanical movements are done by JLC - master control movements go through the hardest tests in the industry. On top of that they are ridiculously overengineered.
Hi Jenni, Thx so much for your videos. You addressed IWC 23rd Dec, same question with Breguet? There seems to be no love, whereas I find the classic style very attractive, especially the guilloché dials. Thx
What watch are you wearing in this video? Our wrists are about the same sized & I really like the band and proportions. Is it a Moonwatch (my guess)? Happy Holidays & your videos have been great this year.
You learned English from gaming and TV/movies?! That is truly impressive! Why did you choose to speak in English for your videos? (I'm glad that you have as I cannot understand German.)
For movement reliability I can speak to those I have owned over years and tested for long term performance like beat rate, amplitude, etc. Best: ETA 2824 in a micro brand watch, and an ETA-base IWC. Next down: Rolex with 3135. Next down: Oddly, a Seagull pilot. If you get a good one, they're very good. Next down: Weird, but I've had some Vostoks that perform very well over years (in-house movements lol). But some have been absolute trash. Last: Seikos like 6R and below are my least reliable, even when they work well initially they degrade seriously over time. If I'm banging around outside I just wear a Casio and don't worry about it 😉
I don't know of any movements that are tough, but if you need something tough then I would probably recommend something easily replacable, like the NH35/6.
Have to disagree with the choice of IWC over JLC. I think the latter is much more elegant and timeless. I also have to agree with some of the previous posters about Rolex. Waiting lists, over retail prices, keeping supply of their tool watches down. All these things make me refrain from buying another ( I have a 16610 I purchased 28 years ago). As far as in house, I think watches like Glashutte Original is a brand I would consider totally made by them.
It's kind of impossible tho for luxury brands to market to Gen Z cause that market probably' can't even afford their watches. Mid Tier brands will have to be the ones doing the work like Seiko, Orient, Tissot and etc. Then once they're exposed to that when they're a bit older only then can the luxury brands capture their interest
I believe Rolex don’t make their hands but everything else is fully integrated. Basically as “in house” as “in house can” be. The case, bracelet, movement is all them.
Go to Taiwan! It’s one of my favorite countries, and I’ve traveled a lot. WRT the “toughest mechanical movement”: there is no such thing. But any high quality ($3,000+) sport watch will be very tough. Remember that 1960s era Speedmasters were blasted into space, 1950s Blancpains were being used to scuba dive in the early years of diving, Heuer watches were brutalized in the super cars of LeMans racing when racing cars rattled so much your tooth fillings came loose. A good modern sports watch is better made than those of 60 years ago. But if you want an answer: the Richard Mille Rafa watch. The stresses he puts on a watch movement are insane and RM designed the movement for those massive shocks.
janelle is the best! Love that you are into gaming also! you have a great childhood, playing video games with siblings is the best life experience ever! I am a big brother myself and I miss having my little brother sit beside me when he was younger and playing together when he got older.
Soo You also wear a smartwatch , so please tell how do you manage to switch between a smartwatch and another analog watch . For instance if you are a college professor what should one wear more since both options are available?
Regarding the wedding band, is cuitural… most of the people in Europe use them in the right hand, most of the people in America (and I mean the continent, Latin America included) in the left hand.
Has there EVER been a watch made which just shows the day on the dial? A lot of watches show the date (1 - 31), or both the day and the date (e.g. "Fri 9"). Given that the day of the week has more importance than the current month's numerical assignment to the day, has anyone ever made a watch that only shows the day?
@Max E I mean, really! With a watch you have to wind, you are always changing the date b/c of the varying days of the month. Instead, what matters more is the day of the week. They already make watches that show both. When it's just one of them, it's always the date.
For a general component of a more reliable movement, definitely a silicon spring is certain starting point to cope with the over use of magnets in the modern world.
