But do a bit Of research for yourself, and you’ll find out that this documentary leave out important parts Of early Antarctic exploration. Which makes many statements almost like lies
Growing up in Buffalo and being a dumb kid, I spent 100s of nights hoofing it across town in negative degree weather. There's something spiritual about being so cold and trudging through to your destination with friends. No talking because the wind and face coverings make it pointless. The crunching of snow and wind is all you hear. The stinging cold hitting your eyes. It's a feeling you never forget.
Oh hells, I grew up 25 mins from buff! Lockport. Cold, brisk, frozen nostrils, wet hair breaking, snow plowed into 4ft snowy curbs, halloween costumes stretched to their elastic limit over winter coats, digging tunnels in the snowy backyard, 5ft sledding hills at most driveways. In WNY, below freezing is just sweater weather. Took my driving test in a foot of snow, easypeasy! whereas few here in MA seem to know how to handle an inch of snow on roads without freaking out. Drives me crazy every winter!
It's really amazing there's actually real footage and photography from the Shackleton Expedition, still existing today. Not only that it lasted this long, especially with the troubles of preserving celluloid film stock, (way back then, in particular,) but mostly because they had the forethought and mindfulness to even think of bringing a photographer on board with them, before setting out. There aren't even photos from the Titanic, after leaving shore, anyway. And they were a ship full of tourists and travellers, from every conceivable economic status. And, only happened a couple of years prior to the Endurance Expedition in 1914/15. The only reason this wasn't just as well-known, at the time or since, is because World War I happened to be well under way by the time the men were finally rescued. Leaving their obvious story of human endurance and survival on page three, whilst things like the Titanic disaster happened in a much less busy time, when it wasn't competing with other more significant World events. The Shackleton Expedition might not have been as "viral," as the Titanic, but it would have at least made the "trending" list lol know what I mean?!? ✌😇 I mean, "posterity" is an understatement. 👍
Shackleton had Frank Hurley, one of the worlds premiere photographers with him. Last photo sets in Elephand Island are of much lesser quality, as Hurley had to abandon his main cameras and kept only pocket size Kodak. He thou salvaged 120 glass negatives and 2 rolls of film.
I've always especially admired Amundsen. He was a smart man, ahead of his time in my opinion by living with the native people around the Pole, learning their language and realizing the extreme wisdom in adopting their mode of travel, clothing choices and other valuable survival techniques; he understood instinctively that the people who would know best how to deal with the unique landscape would be the people who *lived there.* I also respect his sleight of hand in changing his destination last minute! Lol. He knew people talk too much as a rule and that by keeping silent about your plans you were much more likely to be successful. Later in life people found him to be sort of aloof, but I always took that to me that he was quiet and usually mostly in his mind. He lived alone in what I found to be a beautiful, minimalist home with a lot of books before his untimely death. Maybe not untimely to him. I often think he died where he really lived.
as for any norwegian thinking of going arctic , there is the samic people in the north that has perfected everything regarding life in the arctic for at least 2000 years , all you have to do is ask them , and they will happily teach you
They skipped the entire expedition Of Borchgrevink and his men, the First expedition to spend an entire winter on the Antarctic continent..1898-1900. My great great grandfather was one Of ten men that lived in a hut on Cape Adare during that expedition. And he, Nicolai Hanson, was the First to die on Antarctica, and is buried there.
I have fallen asleep to this video at least 50 times (AT LEAST) idk what it is about it that is just so soothing to me. For some odd reason I feel even more comfortable in my cozy bed when I am listening to stories/documentaries about people going through brutal weather or through treacherous terrain. Experiencing insane amounts of pain hardship
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams.
Amundson is likened to a man who hears you writing a song. Goes home and uses your work to do his song. "Worrk smarter?" Dont you mean cheat. A real class act
@@jordan2695 Right, British arrogance lost them the pole. Maybe if they hadn't been so dismissive of Inuit wisdom, they may have had a better chance. Norwegians respected their way of life, learned from it, and were successful.
@@aprylrittenhouse4562 to man haul a sled to the south pole is suicide. dogs have been pulling sleds for 10s of thousands of years. they were literally bred to pull sleds in that environment.
Yes it is. The Aurora Australis are so huge and bright . and they are also pretty common in Mcmurdo. About 6 to 9 days in Winter. I have also seen the Northern lights a few times in Wisconsin although I think they only get that far south about every other year. I've missed about 9 opportunity to see them here and just by luck seen them about 4 times only on 1 of those did the Northern lights come close in terms of brilliance.
I think the whole significant point of the story is that these brave people ventured out into the unknown in order to go where no man had been before. A time when there was adventure, where man endeavored to do great things with his peers. I could only hope that we never forget people like this. Heroes.
@@mizzouranger134 who cares the point is imagine doing or going where no man has gone before. That shit is leaving a legacy behind. Who cares about the money brother man. I see what jeff above meant. Imagine if you will
I don't like they idea that they had to work to death then eat dogs. This was an expedition of choice, the English had a problem with using dogs with good reason, it is heartless and barbaric. Heroes I think not.
My husband used to work at the Discovery point in Dundee. I visited the ship. I recommend the tour. You get to see the inside of Scott's cabin, it's fascinating. They are having a tough time trying to preserve the layered wooden structure.
@@jefferystutsman6419 That's right. Scott's final and fateful voyage was on Terra Nova. He wanted Discovery but it was already out on charter to The Hudson Bay Company.
@@theflorgeormix I remember thoroughly enjoying a 2 hour documentary on American Revolution by Edward Hermann. Narrators can bring the magic or they can dull the experience
Yeah I've heard him in a ton of things he played Herman monster in The monsters movie he was Richie Rich's dad next to Macaulay Culkin in Richie Rich movie
“For scientific leadership give me Scott; for swift and efficient travel, Amundsen; but when you are in a hopeless situation, when there seems no way out, get down on your knees and pray for Shackleton.” --Raymond Priestley, Antarctic Explorer
The book Endurance by Alfred Lansing is a fine report of the logistics of the Shackleton expedition and captures the character of the men. Shackleton is revered and he was a magnificent leader but Frank Worsley, navigator, is equally if not more responsible for their survival. The book has a vivid, knowledgeable account of the Worsley's supernatural navigation skills in the worst conditions Antarctic could hand out. Blue water sailors Endurance is a must read.
Yes. I'm not questioning Shackletons leadership leadership ability, and mad respect for him. But without Worsley they ain't getting off the ice. His inate sense of direction is mind boggling.
@mark houghton You are correct. Worsley's navigation was supernatural. He just wouldn't quit. At one point he had to be tied to the mast to get a reading.
The decisive factor for Amundsen's success was IMO the months he spent with the inuit, learning what to wear, how to travel using the sled dogs, how to plan for nourishment of man and dog, etc. That's what gave him the edge over Shackleton and Scott. These two considered themselves the pinnacle of scientific knowledge, dismissing the inuit as inferior "savages" and disregarding the wealth of knowledge and centuries of experience that could be learned from them. In the end, it spelled success for Amundsen, half failure for "Shackles" and ultimate doom for Scott. Having said that, still, Shackles is my favourite for his personality and character. And the voyage of the Endurance is IMO the greatest story amongst those of polar expeditions.
Well said, Well said indeed. I have read of Shackleton that 100 or so years earlier he'd have been a Pirate, though like yourself, he is the one who I admire the most having gotten his men out alive. I doubt it could be done with the better boats of today. (They wouldn't be found in that position in this day and age) Still, seems almost Bloody Stupid to not have used the dogs---Learned firstly how to, well really it was. That is the British, always above that.
And I may add, Nordics were/are far better explorers for cold weather, Amundsen is... one could say, the culmination of ages of Nordics sailing the rough and unknown seas
Shackleton has been a Hero of mine since I read an account of his exhibition on the Endurance and his Epic salvation of his men on the retreat - to Elephant Island, etc.
Yes,I read his book whilst locked up and the cure for snow blindness was cocaine ,if I remember correctly.Ironic to the fact that Steppenwolf dig a song called "Snowblind Friend".
Why didn't the British use people from some of the more northern parts of Canada to explore Antarctica? They were still British subjects, they already learned how to deal with cold, some knew how to deal with sled dogs and were generally better equipped physically and mentally for such excursions. They learned from the natives there how to survive in such cold ad harsh conditions. True, Antarctica is not quite the same as the Northern areas of Canada, bur northern Canada is a hell of a lot colder than England ever gets. But, it took a Norwegian who studied lessons from North America's northern natives and made common sense planning to make it to the south pole. He did his homework well and it paid off.
They were “inferior” to the brits especially the brits of that time. You only need to read your own comment they were subjects not peers to the brits .it’s the same reason they didn’t just go to the eskimos and ask and learn. Arrogance.
For over 40 years I was blessed as an American instructor pilot to train pilots from almost every nation in props and jets, in the military, airlines and corporate aircraft. The best were by far the Scandinavians, and the Norwegians in particular. They are so sociable and friendly.
Always have felt so blessed and thankful to God, to have had the opportunity to go to Antarctica and Winter Over as a part of Operation Deep Freeze Detachment Alpha for the year 1972-1973. USN. Keith Ross
I often wondered why furs were worn with the fur outside. One of the main reasons was that any condensation on the fur would turn to ice crystals, which would be simply brushed off in the morning.
🇮🇪 Ireland's Tom CREAN spent more time on the snow and ice of Antarctica than Scott or Shackleton and outlived both. His walk across South Georgia with Shackleton and Worsley after sailing a small open boat across the Southern Ocean, was truly epic.
I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anyone know a tool to log back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb lost the login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me.
Absolutely an epic journey. Reading the trail of the journey and the will to survive, it is amazing that they survived and the expedition members waiting for them would be doomed if they had not survived this epic journey of Shackleton and his small team.
When I was a kid I was once at the very southern tip of New Zealand and i remember looking out over the sea and realized that the next land fall was only Antarctica from there. It was very sombering.
Fascinating. Tom Crean who had been with Scott travelled again with Shackleton. This was Tom Crean's last journey. Though Shackketon asked Tom Crean to go back again on another expedition he refused and returned home to County Kerry in Ireland where he married and opened a pub called "The South Pole Inn".
Remember when the HISTORY CHANNEL had history on it? Growing up in the 90s, I loved it. It is the reason why I have a Masters in history now. Watching the channel then was a fountain of historical information. Now, all that channel is ridiculous stories about ghosts and monsters.
Other videos cast Scott as heroic, brave and well organized. He was doomed from Day One. He was horribly frost bit at the Pole and he lost two men before reaching the area of his One Ton Depot. Amundsen had dogs, and skis while Scott thought will power would drive an Englishman through the frozen Hell of Antarctica. Good video.
Most other videos also rely on anti-Scott sources that have been largely debunked. From the late 70s to maybe mid 00s there was this tendency to dehumanize him, basically report every rumor as a fact if it attacks him (some of them were invention of one polar "historian" and have no other sources primary or otherwise). They wanted a villain, a personification of the sin of the Empire and this documentary isn't really different as it neglects to mention the abnormal weather, makes strange arguments regarding Scott's pick for the polar party (overestimating the choice of picking five man and implying Oates had no other merits other than being a pony man). I'm also not sure if anyone ever crossed the Beardmore Glacier with dogs but nevermind that. That hysteria is a result of trying to forcefully contrast him with Shackleton. If a book about polar expedition is about one explorer expect it to criticize another as if you can't be objective about all of them. Now there are more honest books about Scott (that those who only watch outdated documentaries don't know about) and it's Mawson who's the new target with one author not only calling him a horrible, useless leader but accusing him of pretty much murder. Again with very selective, weak arguments. Expect Shackleton, who was such a sacred cow in the 2000s, to be the next victim of character assassination because of his choices that lead to the Ross Sea Party tragedy. Or Amundsen because his decision not to take physicians on his journeys lead to death of at least one person. They all were great and all made mistakes but weren't monsters.
@@ShHeMiLeRe No Debunking required here. Planning for a 5 man team, then taking 6. (Madness) Factoring in Weather conditions and then relying on a seasonal wind to make the figures add up. (Lunacy) Taking Oats, who had wounded leg anyway. (Murder?) Scott was an Arrogant Entitled Twat! Shame he was charismatic enough to talk others in joining him in his Folly! Did his Estate pay anything to the Widows? Are you related to him? Why do you think Scott was so great? Thanks.🙂
@@ShHeMiLeRe Hello again mate. You allude to 'Anti Scott sources' being referenced, what do you mean by that? And can you please point out who these 'Anti Scotts' are. Thanks 🙂. Also are there any Pro -Scott sources that you think would give a better picture of the reality of Their situation? (Please Cite, if you have them, ta🙂)
I understand discovery can be exciting, but knowing what explorers went through, I personally could have waited for the invention of drones to see Antarctica.
Man me as brasilian can imagine you saying that ... even at that time no north face clothes no technology. What those guys adventure been through such cold ......
Incredible story, the classic saga of mankind’s God-given iron will to survive. It is not just a testament to the inherently daring and heroic spirit of Western European civilisation, but to the human spirit as a whole. I wonder, has anyone has ever bothered to produce an epic film on this fantastic chronicle? Does anybody know? If not, it would definitely make for a spectacular one!
To call the segment on Shackleton's journey of survival "abridged" would be INCREDIBLY generous, as it hardly scrapes the surface of the hardship those men went through. From the frostbite, to being constantly wet and cold, to sleeping in a shoddy tent on a muggy floor covered in penguin guano (and much more), none of this is brought up in the video. Furthermore at no point was there threat of mutiny. Because to mutiny would mean death, as it was thanks to Shackleton's leadership that they were surviving in the first place. Not to mention that they had grown incredibly close during their isolation.
Yeah that was ridiculous it is literally the most well known story about the place and they screw jt up by spouting total nonsense. They have film photos and journals and none ever even remotely mentioned mutiny. The worst thing they expressed was disliking some chores they had to do at times but they lived and respected Shackleton and he then. He would have spent three months and four attempts to sail back to them after doing the very first foot crossing of South Georgia after sailing in a 20 foot boat for over two weeks. It’s so disrespectful to screw that up so badly.
"Mutiny" is always a factor in extreme cold; Sir Ranulph Fiennes for example has often elaborated on the extreme irrational hatred which develops over the smallest things towards even ones best friends in Antarctic conditions. The cold, hunger and exertion makes people profoundly irrational.
@@lachyt5247 Yes, I too recall reading that by Fiennes. I think there was dissent over the futility of hauling the lifeboats across such impenetrable terrain. It took Worsley to point out that the ice pack was moving faster than they could haul and that the calories consumed in doing so couldn't be justified.
I'm Norwegian myself, and it is a well known fact that Amundsen was indeed arrogant, treating his crew badly, and milking most of the glory of the exhibition for himself. However, the crew as a whole (which critically included Sami people - experts of survival in snowy climates) did make some wise decisions and TOGETHER planned and completed the exhibition. Too much emphasis is placed on Amundsen the man, too little on the crew. But it is also quite clear that one of the reasons Amundsen and his crew made it, and the others didn't was largely due to a great deal of luck! Weather, almost fell through creveses etc. Yes he has/is been celebrated as a folk hero her in Norway. But we were a newly independent country then and this image of him as a hero was great advertisement for us. Am image he basked in while he was alive.
The Brits in here literally just make excuses all day for their failures. "Oh we were tricked, he was lucky, our culture was wrong at the time, we sent stupid people, we died from broken hearts not bad planning, but at least we did it with dignity and honor."
@@churchether There is an old saying that the harder someone works the luckier he/she becomes. Translated to Antarctica it could be something like the close someone is to the Antarctic Summer the luckier he/she is. Amundsen and crew were fast and lucky.
Ahh...the voice of the superb Edward Herrmann, a beautiful, strange, mysyerious land, a well done documentary.......finally, a good day begins. Thank you so much.
@@patcummings5778 so true. Imagine being poor Oates and having frostbite and gangrene in such a time and environment. I felt for him at that moment in the documentary. What a sad and lonely way to go. I wonder if they ever found his remains? Maybe some future civilization will and wonder.........what the hell were they thinking????
What a great book, "Endurance", can't imagine going through 6 or more months of frozen hell. Shackleton lead the men as difficult and best as he heroically knew how
If you should ever feel, ‘inclined’, I could recommend reading the book, The Worst Journey in the World, written by Gerry Gerard. I challenge you not to weep when reading about events surrounding and the trek to the South Pole. One of the best books I have ever read.
I just finished my first summer season in McMurdo. It was such a trip to see the inside of one of Scott’s huts. It is totally frozen in time. It was incredible to stand where he stood.
If I was rich in would def be interested in making a major movie film telling the stories of these brave souls.. even though most failed more then once, it baffles me that they had the will to face hardship and death itself with such eigerness.. Someone needs to shine the light back onto these forgotten heroes for their bravery
I have been down there, as did my 2 brothers and a brother-in-law, my brothers and myself served on the RRS John Biscoe, my in-law was on the Shackleton. it is very beautiful at a time when the only tourist ship was the MS Lindblad Explorer, I still have the gifts that was given to us a visting crew members from the ship crew, 1 ash tray with 3 gold crowns an envelope stamp and ships frank with 1 usa dollar inside and a postcard with the ship picture on it, we took them gifts also. still bring back a smile every time I think about Antarctica, maybe I go down there once more to see how things have change. I notice a few things, like they left out 1700s Captain Cook had all ready sailed around Antarctica and had landed and planted flags on Antarctica, The British Navy Mathematicians had work out that there was a large landmass down there.
@@irishdragon2311 We had a good crew for the years i kept going down there, we also met up with the USA ship MV Hero, the same was done swaping of gifts, they i got a usa mv hero blazier badge, i still have that
@@southerneruk oh my that sounds like the adventure of a life time (I'm so jealous lol) how long did you spend their each time.? Ah man I'd love to buy you a pint one day and listen to a few stories. I bet you've a few good ones to tell.what a exciting trip man, hey did anything scary happen?
@@jordan2695 he was an anthropologist as well before that was even really a thing. That’s what gave him his edge. He learned from the experts by studying them.
There is also a documentary on Shackletons Captain regarding the second trip. That dude is every bit as responsible for the crew surviving the second voyage. They are both incredible individuals
Nine Thousand Feet of ice...that really is an astounding figure. That would be something like 35 minutes walking at a good clip; whole lotta damn ice, straight down.
Thankyou for uploading, love documentaries - 🎬💜 informative (& they help when it comes to dealing with anxiety sometimes). Another great doco saved to one of my playlists, I've always been fascinated by Antarctica.✨
one important thing to understand is that the south pole was reached by someone using furs and dogsleds, technology that was available to human beings since before that continent was covered in ice
I guess it is good to many, but if you have knowledge about some of the expeditions they left out, you would know that they dont interpret facts the same ways as serious historians.
Both Scott and Amundsden were attempting two very different challenges. Amundsden priority was getting to the pole, first. Scott, on the other hand, was on a scientific endeavour and the pole was up there but the scientific goal was priority. Amundsden set off 5 weeks ahead of Scott, Scott was collecting rocks etc. Anyways, you know all that. My point is, in hindsight it's easy to pick up on people's mistakes. Both these guys and their teams are legends in their own rights. Unless you have been on a challenge like this, or endured what these guys endured, then it's unfair to comment so strongly. We owe so much in the way of learnings from these early trips
@Robert Beck That’s the worst thing. For people so proud to have achieved so much in the world thanks to the scientific method AND sheer willpower, Scott entirely threw away half of their power.
It's amazing to me just how much Professor Donal Manahan looks and sounds like the singer Neil Sadaka. Every time he came up to speak in the documentary I expected him to break into a rendition of Oh, Carol or Solitaire.
No mention of Douglas Mawson, I always thought his story was the most harrowing. Although it's hard to beat Captain Oats, the poor man must be the only guy in history to have his life and achievements so completely overshadowed by his own last words. But of all the heroic age expedition leaders, Mawson was the only one who's primary motivation was to do actual science and exploration.
Read some of the papers put out from Scott's first expedition (Discovery). The Terra Nova expedition also produced some useful information; it wasn't just a personal ego-trip to the South Pole.
@@robertfindlay2325 Where did I say that it was? I'm well aware of the scientific contributions made by those expeditions, however the science was always secondary to the goal of reaching the pole. Scott, to his credit, was very hesitant to abandon the science when things started going pear shaped. But his primary goal from the beginning was to take the pole for his country.(Not that he was unique in this regard) Nowhere did I say that he was solely motivated by his own ego. Mawson was always primarily focused on science and exploration, I merely stated my surprise that his story is so often ignored by documentaries about the heroic age.
If Amundsen hadn't forced things into a race, Scott's scientific efforts (which were significant) might have been adjudged by history as its primary focus.
I think he isnt mentioned because his goal was never the south pol but "just" the exploration. Dosnt make his work any more important but just dosnt fit the topic of the Documentary wich was the race to the south pole (:
It’s a shame they ignored Mawson - one of the four giants of the age of Antarctic exploration. Mawson research station has been continuously operating since the mid ‘50s, and the preservation work on his famous Mawson’s Hut have been no less than heroic.
I remember visiting glacier natal park in mid 90's. They claimed the glaciers would be gone in ten years. They're still right there. Also sea level rise. Well, I've lived my entire life on the east coast 59 yrs. It's still the same.
The glaciers in Glacier Natl. Park have receded massively. Nearly every mountain range is losing its glaciers. This is so easily verified that I don't know what else to say. The rates are alarming. Please go look at this again. Sure, they aren't all "gone," but many glaciers, hundreds if not thousands, have actually completely disappeared, and many more have shrunk at unnatural rates. Not to mention, the extent of ice sheets has shrunk by downright scary amounts, and this simply relies on photographs you can look at for yourself. Just keep an open mind. It's scary and depressing sure, but it doesn't mean it isn't happening, and it doesn't mean that pretending we can just spew fossil fuels into the atmosphere for more centuries is feasible.
Its all a lie. Soon they will be begging us to produce carbon emissions to warm the earth. All the problems we face and we give global warming priority? All a huge lie, wake up.
Robert Scott and the Terra Nova expedition is a simple tragedy and hard to watch even now. In contrast Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton's doomed Trans Antarctic attempt becomes a heroic tale of truly epic proportions. His escape to south Georgia in a tiny wooden lifeboat (via Elephant Island) easily overcomes and eclipses the efforts of that Norwegian bloke and anyone else for that matter.
Back when I was long haul trucking. Places like Wyoming, Colorado, & Utah, were cold enough! If caught out between the barricades, you're screwed if you didn't have enough fuel, tank & block heaters, or food! Damn, I couldn't imagine it being -100° below.
@@channelclosingastrollshave9447 Please shut your dumb, and ridiculous ass up! So I guess this whole documentary is just a big figment of your imagination..
Excellent video on the heroic era of Antarctic exploration. That's an amazing story about Admiral Byrd. No mention of battling UFOs. My grandfather was with Mawson 1911-14.
I was shocked they did not feature Douglas Mawson in this doc! Arguably the most scientific explorer of that time; he was equally heroic, but more interested in true discovery, than an ego-fuelled race to the middle of nowhere. Salute to your grandfather! Their story is an appalling omission here.
You do realize this type of courage and desire to accomplish such a feat is what drove a culture to accomplish so much to improve the health and comfort of its citizens.
Exactly. They are all praiseworthy for their courage, even if they made mistakes. That type of courage is what drives advancement of mankind. The lazy contribute nothing. The US was settled by my pioneer ancestors. Now half the country sit on their a$$es and expect “the government “ to provide for them.
One point that was missed was that Amunsen set out early and damaged his dogs paws and had to turn back allow his dogs paws to heal and then set out later than he intended. ALSO every 10 to15 years the climate of Antarctica thowes up a colder summer such was the poor circumstance of Scott's misfortune a colder summer than average and the privations.
@@arsenal10141014Who's blood? All of his men returned. He took proper care of his animals and took care to end their lives humanely when the time came.
Scott was an idiot at best and possibly a criminal. He killled those people with his hubris. I dont feel sorry for him one bit. I do feel for th poor devils that gave their lives for his twisted dream.
"Humans created the word loneliness to describe the pain of being alone, and the word solitude to describe the glory of being alone" - Charles Bukowski
It was actually us Canadians that made it there first. There was no evidence tho because we didn't take many supplies and only wore tee shirts and shorts and we casually jogged across the snow because we found the climate to be warm and comfortable, much more pleasant than the Canadian winters we were used to.
The South Pole sits at an altitude of almost 10,000 feet, which feels more like 12,000 feet because of the low air pressure and arid polar atmosphere. It also has the world's driest air, making it a struggle to even climb a flight of stairs. The air would cause instant pain to any exposed skin.
"It was one of the worst strokes of fate any men could suffer without succumbing to death...A few years later Shackleton made a sixth attempt to-" Bro, pls. Stop.
