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My mother is an anti vaxxer. I grew up in rural Kentucky, surrounded by other kids who were unvaccinated. One of them got the measles from somewhere and gave it to the entire homeschool group. I thank the stars every day my dad had enough sense to get us vaccinated behind her back, because we never got it. She thought it was “herd immunity” until the day they got divorced and he told her we were all vaccinated because he wasn’t going to let her kill his kids. I love my dad.

Not only did the guy not vaccinate his child, and let the child go near a baby. But he knew the kids was sick and took his sick unvaccinated child over to a home with a baby residing. They say not to go around babies if you even have a simple cold.

If only healthcare workers were allowed to speak to people like that and not get fired.

In 1990, the BBC made a series called 'The Nineties', interviewing individuals in their 90s about their experiences. One was a doctor, who had tears rolling down his face recounting watching children die from diphtheria.

People don't understand that a person can appear 100% healthy, and still be a carrier. 😣😣

What amazes me about these people is that 99% of them were vaccinated themselves as a child but they have no problem gambling with their own child’s life.

You cant *ALWAYS* tell someone is sick. Looks can be deceiving. The fact that people *STILL* don't grasp this is baffling.

Read a reddit post about a couple with dad coming home from deployment and had their baby in for the usual doc's appointment. When vaccinations came up, wife says, "Oh, we're not having her vaccinated." And her husband shot her down quickly. Told her point blank that he was not having it. He's been to places where families would fight for their kids to get vaccinated. He's seen first hand what a place looks like without access to said vaccinations. As I remember it, they fought but husband was serious enough to consider divorce if it came down to it.

My cousin didn’t want to vaccinate her son. My grandma went completely off on her. She yelled at her, do you want to know how many of my friends and family members lost children from diseases you can protect your child from? In 1942 there was a Polio outbreak in the county over from us, we were afraid to send our children to school, we didn’t go to church. Your Grandpa would go to town only when we absolutely had to get supplies. He would strip down in the barn and we had set up a wash bucket where he would wash and then throw all his clothes in the boiling water. My cousin did decide to vaccinate.

I heard a story on reddit like this. Son's wife didn't vaccinate their kids. Her anti-vax DIL brought them over while she had her daughter's infant daughter sleeping upstairs who was only a few months old. The unvaccinated kids were all over the new baby before grandmother could stop them. The next week the baby is hospitalized and dies of whooping cough. Learns the DIL knew her kids were all "little sick with a cough" when she came over that day. Grandmother is furious and devastated. Refuses to talk to her son or his wife. Her daughter the baby's mother is devastated. Finally a family friend goes off on the son and his wife and clues them in on the fact that they may be directly responsible for the death of their infant niece. They show up to grandmother's house trying to defend themselves and she won't even let them inside. She's just in complete mourning and who can blame her.

When we forget about our history that is when we repeat it.

There was a chickenpox outbreak at school when my kids were young. The school had to call the parent of one of my daughters friends who had to make an emergency run to sick kids hospital for extra medicine to protect her child with cancer. You never know what other families are dealing with. Protect your own kid and others too.

Why would someone bring their unvaxxed kid to a hospital where sick people go. Do they think their kid won’t get sick at a place for sick people???

I got whooping cough when I was a child. It is awful, I had asthma for much of my adulthood as a result.

My eldest son got whooping cough when he was about 8 months old. Had no Insurance had to take him to the health clinic to be treated. They made us sit in the main lobby with a dozen or so other babies. I was horrified and I remember thinking I wonder how many of those babies got whooping cough Also from my son. They took absolutely no precautions.hes like 48 years old now. I thank god he is healthy.

"You don't know that" but you do. The way he said that, he knew.

The comments here are a mess Shes a dr not a nurse The baby couldnt be vaccinated yet as too young You shouldnt be around a baby sick vaccines or not

I'm a retired RN,BSN. I cared for a 6 week old who had pertussis or whooping cough. She literally would turn navy blue from lack of oxygen from her coughing. And this was while she was getting supplemental oxygen. It was awful. She passed after a few agonizing days. RIP

My anti vaxxer friends had to wait several months to see my baby, so that my daughter would have her first round of vaccinations against whooping cough and other diseases. They weren't happy but they respected my right to decide.

My whole adult life I have never held someone else’s newborn. I never felt it was safe and usually parents look extremely nervous when coworkers or friends crowd around passing a newborn from person to person. Newborns don’t have a built up immunity system….you can admire and look but you don’t need to be holding someone else’s newborn!

My cousin trying to bring her unvaxxed family around my grandmother currently fighting cancer. They were unwilling to wear masks around her or take any precautions. Cousin's kids had covid and she tried to bring them to see my grandmother. I've never screamed so loud at someone in my entire life. Lost my voice almost completely. She's been completely cut off from the entire family. To bring a sick child/or self anywhere with people who you could get sick, especially people who you know are immunocompromised, is absolutely vile and disgusting behavior.

I worked at a daycare and I learned very quickly that children are literally germ central. They’re like petri dishes! Sick or not, they carry every germ they touch and spread them like rats did the plague. It’s why a lot of hospitals have young children wear masks while visiting, or bans them unless the patient is a close relative or in critical condition. When it came to the infants, if one of the staff was sick, they weren’t aloud to come to work. If one of the staff got sick during work, they were sent home and the parents were notified immediately. Babies can’t get vaccinated because of their age, but when they get sick, it can be lethal. It’s why the infant room was cleaned EVERY DAY: tiles mopped, carpets vacuumed, shelves dusted, and toys scrubbed. To not vaccinate your child is setting them and everybody around them up for an outbreak. No topical oils or crystals are going to save your child from chicken pox, measles, or god forbid whooping cough! Hell, when one class caught hand-foot-mouth disease, it spread like wild fire! Kids are carriers, they need to be vaccinated!

My 3 year old son got Whooping Cought in 2015 when CA had a whooping cough epidemic. He had been vaccinated but wasn’t old enough to have received all the vaccinations. I remember being terrified! I wasn’t an anti vaxxer. He was in Urgent Care every other day for 2 weeks getting breathing treatments. Probably should have been admitted but the ICU was packed and I had other kids at home. He struggled for breath and couldn’t eat or sleep. People ask if I was mad the shot “didn’t work.” No! The shot was what kept him from being on a ventilator with all the babies! He had some immunity.

'Here we go' - the refrain of the cynical person who knows they're guilty of what they're accused of.

Who visits a baby with a cold.... with or without vaccinations. I had someone who wanted to visit my baby with a cold soar. This kan be deadly for babies.

I wasn't vaxxed as a baby -- only the MMR Vaccine, but still unvaxxed. I got them ASAP. As soon as I turned 16, i chose to get vaxxed and still do to this day. The only one I can't get is the Flu vaccine, as i have a bad reaction to them (Crohns Disease doesn't like it in the slightest) My kids will be vaccinated. 100%.

I lost one of my best friends to the antivax nutjob community. We had an argument and she posted our conversation to an antivax FB page. A member of that group sent me a PM after seeing the post informing me there were some pretty crazy people in that group & was concerned for my safety. I went to town on my friend and she eventually did take it down, but I haven't talked to her since that incident & that was like 10 years ago.

The kind of people to say no to a cure in a zombie apocalypse because “my kids aren’t zombies”. Yet, Karen.

When i was a baby i was vaccinated for whooping cough. Then when i was 16, 7 of my friends and i all got whooping cough. Exactly half of us had been vaccinated. 3 didnt get any symptoms at all (but still tested positive). I got a mild cough (which barely did anything but stuck around a very long time. That was the half that had been vaccinated. We all got tested because the other 4 landed in hospital. One was in ICU. Another on oxygen. One cracked two ribs… the last of the 4 unvaxed was in for observation as they were born prematurely and had severe Asthma etc before getting it! all the teenagers who got it, but had not been vaccinated, were seriously affected. Those who had been vaxed, only found out after the others landed in hospital so they got tested as precaution! I do not want to imagine a baby with that!!!

Even if it was "just a cold," why would they bring him around a baby? Anyone showing signs of illness should not be visiting newborns and infants.

Anti-vax mentality is a textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

My brother is anti vac when his son was born he told his partner. She just ignored him and got all the necessary jabs. 😂

people forget that vaccines aren’t only intended for our personal safety, they’re meant to increase the safety of the population as a whole

My daughter has an immune deficiency disorder so she gets very sick with a basic cold. Has ended up in hospital a few times with nasty bugs. There is 3 kids on her preschool that haven’t had their vaccines and I hate the parents. My daughter misses 2 weeks of school every single Month because of them. She’s become so used to doctors and tests she just sits quietly and lets them do her bp and bloods and all the other checks they do, her doctor commented on how good she is with it all now compared to other kids, then she read through her medical history and realised why she’s so good. It breaks my heart.

If you are against vaccinations... why even bother going to a hospital?

My "father" was and still is an antivaxxer. I already have a poor immune system due to a heart defect I've had from birth, but one day he just decided to never get me and my older sister vaccinated ever again. He tried to protest me getting the COVID vaccine and kept stalling so I only got two doses, no booster (my insurance won't pay for it until I'm 19 too), and I'm still worried about if I manage to catch it again. This year I got my first flu vaccine in nearly a decade, and my God I haven't gotten sick even once yet! Get your kids vaccinated, or they could die. My sister almost died one year because their bad flu turned into pneumonia

Antivaxxers should be charged with child neglect and abuse.

I read an old fashioned romance/adventure/real life story written at least 50 years ago. The apalling everyday reality of life before vaccinations was shocking. It was set in Canada in the early 1800's. The young woman from a wealthy family on the east coast of Canada fell in love with and married a young Canadian Mounty who was sent to a frontier fort. He came back to visit his young wife because it was too rough for young wives to live there. She went anyway. When she got there the other wives looked terribly worn down and oddly spoke of their first family, second family, third family. Because every 2-5 years a contagious disease came through and most if not all of their children died. So the children they had given birth to and raised died before the age of 5. That was the norm before vaccinations. Around the world, for millenia, and probably millions of years.

I had measles badly enough that I was quarantined with my sister for two weeks. We even had spots on our eyes. Blankets covered the windows, no tv, no books, no nothing to entertain us, just bathroom breaks. I was sent home from school, first grade, with mumps. My mom said we also had chicken pox, but, thankfully, I don't remember that nightmare. I grew up with friends who contracted polio. One of them didn't tell his parents that he had gotten missed when getting vaccinated at the doctor's office. He ended up with polio, in a body cast as a child, and then a wheelchair. I am a firm believer in vaccines because I am a firm believer in not putting children through the risks and torment these diseases present.

This is how patient zero happens

My sister was an antivaxer (without my knowledge at the time)... my daughter was 1 week old and my sister brought the kids over to see rhe baby. 30 minutes in her youngest who was 6 started coughing. I kicked them out and my daughter spent the next few weeks in and our of the hospital... I havent spoken to my sister since (you would think it was my choice) no my sister refused to have anything to do with me because I vaccinated my kids. Lol no love loss there

“…do what i *think* is right” Says the guy telling the doctor who *knows* what’s right

My "friend" didn't want to vaccinate her obviously autistic son. She also refused to get him help for his autism because it "wasn't autism, but his spiritual gift" 🤦🏻‍♀️

Our ancestors: Literally died and got tested on for vaccines. Their descendants: "Im gonna act like I know better than science." 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

My mother didn't believe in COVID. Until it took her life. And very painfully, too.

There's a story of small boat is ferrying a small group across a lake one guy gets his knife out and start digging a hole into the board between his feet. The others in the boat notice what he is doing and start objecting telling him to stop what he's doing. He answers them to leave him alone and mind their own business. What others do can affect those around them.

I had my son about 7 years ago, and I was shocked at how controversial my decision to vaccinate was. I was vaccinated twice for everything, and I’m thriving in my 40’s. And I think it’s cool that my son won’t ever “have to get” the Chicken Pox, because that ish was miserable!

I researched vaccines in medical journals when I started my family, and found out the risk of adverse reactions drops dramatically at 18 mos. Since we decided I would stay home when the kids were small, their exposure risk was much lower than it would have been in daycare. We felt the benefits of delaying outweighed the risks, in our particular circumstances. I had whooping cough, measles, mumps and lots of other preventable illnesses as a kid; I wouldn't want my kids to go thru that! Whooping cough especially--terrifying! 😢

I have an idiot relation who didn’t bother with shots and her baby got whooping cough and he almost died. He spent a long time in the hospital. And the next time I saw her she was smoking and blowing smoke in his face. Unfortunately some people just shouldn’t have kids.

I love how she didn’t try to argue and to force them to vaccinate. She very clearly told them to leave. It’s your choice to vax but at the very least protect your child and keep them away from sick people 😒

The man was asked to take his son home not just he would infect but would also get infected due to sick people in the hospital. Its a common practice at our home not taking children to crtical illness hospital regardless of vaccination.

I really think that American law should require vaccinations in every case except extreme allergy. The first amendment of the constitution protects citizen rights to observe and practice their religion as they see fit EXCEPT in the case where doing so will harm another person or their property. It's been shown by thousands of peer-reviewed scientific studies that refusing to vaccinate yourself or your child doesn't just harm the unvaccinated individual, but indirectly harms the young, old, sick, or immunocompromised.

In my opinion every parent who decides not to vaccinate their child should get a ~very~ detailed explanation with photos and videos of every single illness they refuse to vaccinate against. A whooping cough attack or the sight of a kid with severe meningitis on life support isn’t something they will forget easily.

I have no idea why they would take their sick son to visit a newborn. Vaccinated or not.

Not vaccinating your child should be considered a crime punishable with jail time

This is the second reason I believe parents need to have a license saying they are QUALIFIED to have children. MAKE SCIENCE AND MEDICINE GREAT AGAIN!

I guarantee you she’s saying what everyone is thinking about anti- Vaxers

Vaxxed or not. Everyone can still get sick. Plenty of us get sick regardless of our Vax status. Sick people shouldn't be around newborns. If you have a fever or feel under the weather. Stay home and rest. Don't go around babies or immuno-compromised people.

Since when do non-doctors, non-scientists "doing their own research," know better?

Parents like this are so selfish in pursuing and pushing their own ideals that they really don't care who else has to suffer for it, even if it's their own child.

I had a severe allergic reaction to whooping cough vaccination both as an infant and again as an adult. People think I’m mean for staying away from their babies even when I say why. 😅

Every time I meet an antivaxer parent I recomend them not to travel abroad themself or their children or to meet any people who have travelled recently, because here the hert inmunity protects them, but in africa, some parts of asia, indonesia and even in some parts of south america theh will be exposed to many pathogens... polio, measles...

Parents like this are stupid and irresponsible. What makes me even angrier are the people who claim to not vaccinate their children for religious reasons and would rather instead pray for miracles and yet ignore God's answer to their prayers. Medicine, hospitals, and doctors are valid answers and solutions that people have come up with because God still wants us around! (Just my opinion.)

The one time her emotional outburst is actually legit.

Children should be able to sue their parents for gross negligence for not getting them vaxxed.

Whether or not you get your children vaccinated is your choice as a parent. That being said, if you don’t get them vaccinated, they should not be around young children that cannot be vaccinated yet. It’s too dangerous.

I will forever believe that being an anti-vaxxer who doesn't vaccinate their kids should be illegal. Do what you want with your adult life, but kids are kids, protect them and don't force your beliefs on them

I am 54. When I was 19, I got whopping cough. In Canada I had to self quarantine. I was extremely ill. I had collapsed in the threshold of our front door, still in my winter coat and boots, with my arm stretched out over my head, still holding my doctor's note and prescription. That morning I thought I was getting a common cold. By 11 am I spiked a fever and cabbed to my doctor to get a note for work. 2pm I was on a buss on my way home. I don't remember the last leg of my buss ride or walking the 2 blocks home. When my mom came home at tpm, that's how she found me and immediately called an ambulance. I was in the hospital for 3 days and spent another 12 day, yes 12 days, in bed so sick and coughing so hard I cracked 3 ribs. If I had been a child or baby, I am sure I would have died in the first 24 hrs. Get vaccinated. I was in fact fully vaccinated. But remember Whooping cough vaccines are effective, but not perfect. The infection is usually not as bad for people who have gotten vaccinated against whooping cough but still get sick. In vaccinated people who get whooping cough: The cough usually won't last as many days. However, you may still get very sick. Having said that, most often, they are effective and my situation shouldn't be used to not get you and your children vaccinated. Also, as an adult, you still need to update most vaccinations. Very few vaccines are life long.

She went all the way off 👏 👏

In the early seventies my family lived in the valley portion of an huge city. Four high schools were shut down from measles out break. Then it hit the grade schools. All schools closed. Schools and buses sanitize. Barely a week after every one returned to school the downtown schools were hit by chicken pox and mumps. Two weeks later it made it's way to the valley. School superintendents were wondering how?? The culprit. Ten non vaccinated kids came back from California carriers. Four related. These ten also came down and three nearly died. Those kids remained out of school until fully vaccinated.

I'm 54, struggling with all sorts of health issues since I was a child. My mom never had me vaccinated for anything. And i want to tell you that my life has been incredibly hard, I'm always sick and have autoimmune disease, in and out of hospitals is not how life should be.

People aren’t afraid of whooping cough anymore. Because they haven’t seen it. I wonder why not ?

Why is it that parents who have the protection of vaccines because their parents made sure they had them. Then these kids grow up and will not give their own kids the same protections. I'm aware there are side effects to almost every medication, but you need to way the odds. My parents did not run to the Dr. Everytime us kids got something my mom was a big believer in natural remedies and letting your body fight off infections, but she was also a realist and if your not getting better or if you seem to be getting worse then she would give us medicine or take us to the Dr. Your health is the most important thing. Do not stand on your principals at the risk of your kids health. If you have kids, they must always come first. Make educated decisions, don't rely on what other people tell you. Do your own research, Modern medicine has come a long way. People live longer lives due to better food and modern medicine. I tend to thing that people who are ant-vaccers are people who have never had a loved one die from a curable disease. So they have no idea what they are talking about.

When I was 7 the girl behind me died of measles. people ran to get those measles shots

She did the right thing by telling him to get out

I nearly died of whooping cough as a baby because my older sister brought it home from camping or something, according to my mother. She and the rest of my family had to work in shifts for 100 days and nights just to keep me alive, pulling gunk and stuff out of my throat so that I could keep breathing. And my bio mom isn’t an anti-vaxxer, thank god, but she definitely scared me in her own way and made it difficult for me when I needed to get my shots.

I have a low immune system because when I was 8 I had a kidney transplant and before that I was vaccinated but I was diagnosed with kidney failure when I was 7 so now I have to be really careful when around people.

I am an ICU nurse. I have had whooping cough x 2 which was passed to me and 5 other nurses by an adult. Our shots were current. My coworker wound up on a ventilator for 5 days. It is HORRIBLE. The second time , I did a sleep study on a former LVN who worked at the post office. She had been to the Dr 3 times in one week and was not getting better. She knew she was misdiagnosed. My coworker and I got her ready for her sleep study. As she lay back in the bed she started to cough. Whooping cough. My tDAP was current. The respiratory therapist's shots were current. Fortunately, we worked for a pulmonologist. We both got sick but not like the patient we did a sleep study on. We were put on a large dose of antibiotics.

“He’s fine” you can look fine while still being sick

It’s one thing to have your beliefs, fine. But if you bring your unvaccinated kid who is already sick, to see a baby that is just awful

I have no idea why they go to the hospital but don't have the intent of getting help.

this happened in real life. A 1 and a half month old baby died because her cousins, 4 and 5 years old, were not vaccinated, These children were brought by their parents for a surprise visit to the baby's family home. they approached the baby and touched her, they coughed on her, they had this cough that the parents said was a “little cold”. It turns out that the irresponsible parents, by not vaccinating them, gave them whooping cough and passed it on to the 1 and a half month old baby. the vaccine is administered at two months. the uncles killed her niece for irresponsibility.

Props on the nurse

The nurse had every right to respond the way she did she’s protecting staff and patients from the same fate

My son Is having his jabs on Monday he's 8 weeks there Aubrey no way I'm putting his and other kids lives in danger because I think I know more than professionals 🙄😤

Getting my daughter vaccinated was hard because the needles and upset baby obviously. However, I'd never regret it. Not only am I keeping her safe, but also another parent's child.

I know of a little girl that contracted measles because she herself was too young to be vaccinated or had a condition that made her unable to recieve the vaccination and got in contact with an older unvaccinated child. Long story short: The older kid was able to fight it off without bigger issues but the little girl ended up with meningitis as her parents had to watch her bodily functions slowly fade away until they made the choice to stop the machines that kept her alive. Your child might end up being fine without a vaccine but they could end up causing misery to countless families without even knowing.

My SIL gave birth at Christmas last year. Her and my brother laid down the law that we all had to get a Tdap shot before coming to their house for Christmas in case she gave birthright before or right after. We are all vaccinated from childhood but boosters are good. Several of us also got flu shots and covid boosters (except my other brother who is a covidiot and has had it twice and still cannot smell or taste right three years later). Get vaccinated to protect those who cannot be protected. More story: Christmas morning my sister's bf tested positive for covid (even vaxxed to the gills). My sister and parents ended up with it too by the next couple days. During Christmas morning we all wore masks and stayed away from the expectant parents as much as possible. I was in charge of handing presents to everyone since I had had little contact with the bf/my sister and have always been super safe about covid and frequently used hand sanitizer during the handoffs. We still made and ate Christmas dinner. The bf and sister went to a hotel that night and their room remained closed. The day after Christmas my SIL went into labor (claims it was the stress of her or my brother getting covid before she went into labor and making the delivery worse at the hospital (covid patients deliver in the ER and if my brother had it he would be turned away and not allowed in for the birth. Still a strict hospital:)). That morning my parents and other brother packed up and drove home for safety. My mom sad she wouldn't meet her newborn granddaughter even through a window. She cleaned the covid room and sheets before leaving (may have been why they got it 😢). I stayed to care for their dog (live near them). I sanitized the entire house, dishes, towels, sheets, everything while wearing a mask. I stayed in the basement guest quarters as much as possible. A couple days later they were released from the hospital. I left a few hours before they came home sanitizing behind me as I left. I thankfully didn't get sick so I was indeed the best choice to clean the house and care for their dog. Everyone is fine now and the baby is healthy, happy, vaccinated for everything she can be, and almost 9 months old. Vaccinations are definitely important as is being careful and caring for others health and not just your own.

This actually happened in Chicago suburbs- anti vax family on my sons team returned from vacation in California. They brought back whooping cough from their antivax relatives. It spread among the teammates- I got it with bronchitis but survived. Two infants at a day care did not.

I got kicked out of school in middle school bc my dad refused to get the mandated vaccines. I’m thankful my mom took me to get them instead (they were divorced) bc she didn’t realize he was refusing I get them.

One thing I’ll never understand is why people who are sick go out in public for non-emergency reasons and act like they are completely healthy. Like no my brother - who knew he was sick but swore it was only allergies because he was vaccinated - decided to socialise with my entire family which caused me then 1month old baby boy, my daughter, myself and my husband to all get sick. We took him at his word but then when we needed up sick I demanded a covid test from him….well turns out he had covid and he gave it to us. Vaccines work for some illnesses but they don’t cure/prevent everything.

We are so removed from when these diseases ran rampant through the population but for babies under two years old whooping is very deadly. The coughing spasms are violent enough to cause brain damage.

Ignorance runs deep

I had whooping cough when i was 4 months. My sister (vaccinated) had a mild cold, turns out it wasnt and she brought it home from nursery. I was in the ICU for 3 months. If a family member visited with sick, unvaccinated child around my new born baby I'd make it clear they were at fault and completely cut them out

My great aunt told us about all her classmates that had died from Whooping Cough. She survived but only barely. Her hair turned from red to jet black. All anyone has to do is walk through an old cemetery to see the devastation wrought on families by disease. These are diseases we now have vaccines for. And if you've ever known someone who survived, it's easy to see the lifelong damage. One of my cousins survived Polio. She had to become a ward of the state due to her disabilities. Ive never understood the selfishness of antivax people. We have ample evidence going back almost 100 yrs proving these vaccines work and are safe. I feel very privileged to have been born in a time where we don't have to die from these devastating diseases.

Its crazy how people like this actually exist and then let their sick kids get everyone else sick.

Pretty sure the son also was sick from something. If its the correct episode im thinking about anyways.

I caught whooping cough as an adult from an outbreak in Seattle due to anti-vaxxing parents 🙃 I was already passionate about the issue, but that made it VERY personal

Ignorance is not bliss.