To adress some confusion: I am an end user that shares their thoughts and experiences with gear I buy to use myself. I do not have experience with as large a variety of products as tech youtubers. It's for this reason I decided to add the word "customer" before the word review. Please only use my feedback on the product as a substitute to reviewers that can give you a wider view of the current market. Oh I also make 0 money doing this.
@Koutsn_ does the OLED really have a 3D effect on games? 3D as-in it's like the models are physically there in front of you and the panel is like a window into that "plane"? Or does it just look like a sharper image compared to other panels, all things like colors and contrast, brightness aside? I'm asking because I'm hearing conflicting opinions from people online that have OLED displays. Some insist that OLED gives graphics a "3D pop" as if they're coming out of the monitor, while others just say it's the same image, just better colors and quality on the "2D/flat" output.
If you think 3D pop will make it look like an actual 3D image you'll be disappointed, all 3D pop describes from my experience with photography is how easy it is to tell that there's meant to be depth in the scene. The micro contrast of especially glossy OLED screens can help this effect. All of our brains process visual information vastly differently(Think of the ¨blue black white gold dress¨) so this may appear like a 3D effect to some people. But at the end of the day it really effectively describes how easy it is to separate a subject from the background and will depend a lot on the colour grading. If a game does not have an overly washed out grading through raised black levels I've found OLED better than LCD in this regard, but a decent CRT is still a step above OLED.
@@Koutsn_ Thanks for the response. You explained that really well and I highly appreciate it. Way way more understandable than what other "reviews" and explanations about the whole thing that I've seen and heard so far have been.
by the way with micro contrast I meant local contrast, micro contrast would be more of the descriptor of what displaying an HDR signal does to the darks(having more detail/small bits of contrasting elements due to having more shades of grey to work with)
@@Koutsn_ True, admittedly I immediately made this comment before finishing the video. It’s not so bad, I’m aware of the imperfections that the video described so it should be fine. Good video!
Super underrated video. I didn't expect much due to how little views there are but this reviews pretty great. Im also looking for a monitor upgrade (coming from an old 4k60hz IPS monitor) so this was a nice consideration
@@Koutsn_ I'd say a little bit of everything. - A little bit of gaming, although I don't play too competitively. - Definitely a fair amount of productivity with word processing, web browsing and coding. - Digital art is also my hobby, so colour accuracy would be nice. I haven't owned a lot of monitors and have never tried anything above 60hz so I do feel a bit of fomo. However, I'm planning on going in person to test a couple of different monitors in store so I'll see what features really stands out to me vs just marketing. Biggest things for me is probably seeing the difference between 1440p Vs 4k at 27" and deciding whether or not I will stay at 4k.
going to the store is always a great option to see things for yourself, also try checking RTINGS, I have no affiliation with them but think they have a great test suite for their monitor reviews.
I have not used the HDR calibration tool, that is windows 11 exclusive, and I use a heavily modified build of windows 10 that I don't want to redo, I'd say HDR looks pretty good even without it. ofcourse it would be better with HDR calibration though.
It was not a light decision, the review would have been far more complete with it included. But considering it even I felt discomfort looking at it without ever having experienced issues related to flicker prior to witnessing OLED VRR flicker I felt it was a tradeoff that had to be made.
@@Koutsn_ I don't understand your logic. You didn't want to show it because you didn't want people to feel a discomfort while looking at your review? But if it's so awful should people actually see it so they can avoid buying these monitors if they feel bad just looking at your review? Imagine the discomfort they will have when they start gaming and see it for real.
I am not an expert but switching to 12 bit over a DP and aiming for a 360hz... That's a hell lot of data / bandwidth required. With 10bit and 1440p to use 360hz probably will need to use DSC as well so that might not be a flaw just cable transfer data limitations
Also DSC is not the issue, it's the fact that it can't be disabled at any refreshrate that's the issue (edit: and it only leads to problems on Nvidia cards)
@@Koutsn_ I know the feeling , I almost pulled the trigger on Asus 27 240 hz.. to realise you cant even use 10bit and HDR with its HDMI 2.0 ports.. so changed my decision and went with MSI 360 variant cause at least it has HDMI 2.1 . I still enjoy my old LG C1 for casual games so this will be just a bonus for fast paced games but still since I am paying a decent amount of money...give me the ability to use its potential and HDMI 2.1 ports 😅
Yes unfortunately all display technologies can have flicker issues when implemented badly. As for the oled VRR flicker, it should only happen in dark scenes with inconsistent frametimes. It'll be nothing like LCD based VRR flicker due to the per pixel nature of OLED if it does ever occur. but for now, glad to hear you're not having issues.
I do agree, power output of OLED is higher than LCD, and this can be considered a downside. I also forgot to mention burn in mainly because after the 200 hours of use at the time of recording it really would be too early to see if it's still a big problem.
the default HDR profile should already be APL middle, luckily, this monitor saves the APL setting per picture profile in both SDR and HDR, so just create another profile to your tastes in both.
Either are amazing monitors, I went for the 27 inch 1440p one for the 360hz myself, but that 4k 240hz is a great jack of all trades, so hard to pick a winner between them.
yooo, can you please be honest and tell me if OLED is that much better than a good ips panel? do you really see that much of a difference or is it a vibrante cooler gimmick to ips?
these seem like 2 questions, so let me just answer you like this, 1: yes the panel I have looks a lot better than any IPS I ever used, the main reason for it is the contrast and local contrast possible on OLED 2: it's not just the vibrant colours, I use my displays with an sRGB gammut clamp most of the times, which eliminates that difference compared to good IPS. I will add that the HDR capabilities of this OLED are ofc a significant improvement over conventionally backlit IPS.
My 271QRX does not suffer from poor brightness in SDR. Hits 250 without issue. I dont need more than 120 because im a normal human. Its the same panel so yours shouldnt have the problem either. And in regards to DSC. I can disable it. Also it shouldnt be on if you use HDMI anyways.
Great that you don't need more than 120 nits of brightness, but that's personal preference in case of content consumption. As for the HDMI, in hindsight I did not test the HDMI 2.0 mode instead of the HDMI 2.1 mode that it defaults to, 2.0 did not support DSC yet so that may indeed disable it.
@@Koutsn_ But the thing is, it shouldnt be personal preference. If you need such high brightness you shouldnt buy an OLED in the first place (higher chance of burn in with higher nits) 120 cd/m2 has been the calibration standard for decades. For normal usage. Office usage is between 140-160cd/m2 which is more than enough. And offices have big bright fluorescent lights (possibly LED now) If you need more youre just a user that refuses to spend 10 minutes adjusting your eyes to it.
"If you need such high brightness you shouldnt buy an OLED in the first place" Yeah, saying that it's not as bright as LCD is literally a warning not to buy OLED if you need that brightness. I do run 100 nits for productivity, but higher brightness in competitive games is important as higher brightness has an association with increasing alertness and cognitive performance. so for gaming higher brightness is important.
@@JesusCortez-i9y regarding the settings question, if you can keep a consistent enough framerate the flickering will not be very noticable. but it depends on the game how this is best done.
@@Koutsn_ oh okay thank you ,I won’t have gsync on regardless, I think I’m gonna wait for the rtx 5080 or 5090 to hit that 360 fps CONSISTENTLY in warzone, the 4090 can’t completely run 360 consistently so I think the rtx 5080 or 5090 will
The real question is WHO don't tell you? Literally all, ALL review even the manufacturer told you the specs so you just blind buy even without read specs, it is a your bad not OLED monitor bad.
Who: Salesmen and the manufactrurers. This video goes over a lot of things you could not find on a specs page because they are actual flaws with the technology. And yes of course reviewers will tell you... that's literally why this and other videos like it exist.
@@Koutsn_ 99% of the thing you said are features or specs: light brightness? It is a specs you can read. Screen shift? It is a specs against burn in (which you can disable) VRR flicker? Most manufacturers claims to have an anti flicker solution so is a secret? And to mitigate it you can just enable v-sync and 90% of the issue disappear. Grey reflection on qd-oled is technology dependent and public explained by Samsung as well as for color fringing. This is not a review it looks like someone who regret too late for a return about its purchase. Maybe because something new come out. All the cons are basically minor, and the most absurd is the brightness. I am so tired to read about people who want 1000 nits on full screen constantly. If you really want that just look at lamp. Monitor must be comfortable you can say you want a bit more for extreme bright room but 99% of the case 250nits are also too much.
We've just got some oled monitors absolute game changer no more sore eyes everything is crystal clear and super fast and turns your game into a proper experience, personally I can't fault them just make sure you follow the maintenance instructions and yeah I can see them lasting for quite some time.
@@IcaniCorrono Yes a lot of things that are spec related still had to be mentioned for it to be complete. but there are some things like pixelshift being buggy and oled banding which is not talked about a lot. I will add that I have no regrets buying this monitor and it was still in the return window at the time of publishing this.(not anymore though) but I seek to prevent people from regretting it if any of these things is a dealbreaker.
@@Koutsn_ I had OLED tvs and monitors for years now, I used then in daily based. I had never seen a buggy pixelshift. Still issue can happen but a bug it is not something that should claimed like a general issue of all OLED. Is more likely correlated with a specific model or even single monitor. Even the bending is panel specific and usually improves with pixel refresh and usage. Moreover is something you have actively looking for. Still a fair point to mention. The clarity, the response time, the black level and the hdr performance are mind blowing in an OLED compared with LCD, even whit miniled. There is a misconception that hdr mean super bright. It means high dynamic range. A mini led cannot achieve low dark details without blooming. And is very unlikely to have a 100% screen scene of full brightness. And OLED in small area 10/20% can reach high peak brightness, which is what really matter in HDR. A full 1400 nits 100% screen is just too much and make sense only if you use it outside in the equator with the sun behind the monitor, which I guess is not the standard use case for which a monitor is developed. It is worth to mention that pixel shift is present even in LCD panel nowadays especially in bussiness model. Guess why? For image retention, someone (reviewer) has never talk about image retention on LCD? No, but the fear of such issue in OLED is extreme for no reason. I changed 3 IPS panel for bad image retention and zero OLED. But I do not make video claiming that LCD has issue no one told you.
I don't know what issue you're talking about, but we're using a completely different monitor even if the tech is similar. This goes for every technology by the way: when you go looking for problems like I feel I need to, you will find them. I am still very happy with this product, it's the best monitor I ever owned.
I am not using F03, I'll let you know if I see it on FO3, but it's one of those things that you have to catch in the moment rather than being easy to re create.
if it completely shut down be sure to check: setttings > system > other settings > auto power off, I believe it defaulted to a setting other than off for me. if that was not it you may have a faulty unit
I agree these could be more comprehensive, but I think sharing my first video on it after 200+ hours of using a product is fair. Anyways, is there anything critical that I got wrong?
I do not, I am a small creator and just covered my latest monitor purchase to help people out. as for which one is better, I believe "The Display Guy" covered both monitors, so worth a gander.
Windows 11 have clear type because Oled is new technology needs to use CLEAR TYPE. I use it and it looks normal. I have qd va panel and it is 240hz and it is same needs 4 seconds on 10 bit. And today exist HDR RTX ai on all games works... and it looks better vs normal hdr or sdr.
Windows 10 also has cleartype and configuring it can improve text rendering to a point, but not every application uses cleartype, so it's worth mentioning the issue. I can tell you from owning 7 monitors that alt tabbing on this QD oled takes longer on my machine than others do, resolution changes for example also struggle. I ran a test while writing this, my LCD took 4 seconds to show an image again, my QD Oled took 14 seconds. RTX HDR is a great feature, but I have not got to testing this myself due to running a heavily modified version of windows 10, and the Nvidia app does not expose the setting on windows 10.
Oh another thing: your QD VA panel probably uses a standard RGB subpixel layout, cleartype works very well on that. QD VA is very different from QD-OLED, but regardless, yes I did slightly improve my text clarity with cleartype, but to get it closer to what regular RGB can do I'd need to use 3rd party tools.
@@Koutsn_ Problem is if u resize ur monitor it looks better with clear type. i use 27 inch on 32 inch monitor and i use clear type on QD VA Panel and WOLED monitor clear type and yes i use windows 11, my new pc system can not work normal on windows 10 pc response is slow i get lowered 1 percent low fps... etc... My pc system is the fastest in the world. And yes i have 4090 and i use HDR RTX AI... I turn off HDR on games and i use that and on SDR games i use HDR RTX AI.. There is no problem with brightness. and yes i do not use GSYNC on because i play most competitive games... if you use GSYNC use VSYNC on and flicker will be 0. But try to limit fps. If game is 120 fps average limit it to 120hz.. if game is 400 fps limit it with vsync and gsync on.
Bro your advice is HIGHLY IMPORTANT to me! So please can you give me an advice to buy msi mpg 321 oled or innocn 32m2v ? I would definitely go to oled but i am very very worried about getting burn ins.... and i am using my monitor for productivity usually + films + some casual gaming, so what you think would i get burnins after a year or 2 years.... or they are now solved that problem and i can comfortably go with oled without any concerns about burnins.... thanks in advance!!
I would say if you are concerned about burn in check out the burn in testing from monitors unboxed, these panels still get burn in. As far as the other monitor you listed, I have not had any experience with innocn but have heard some pretty bad things about the brand, as for mini LED, I've never owned one.
@@Koutsn_ may i ask what have you heard about the brand innocn? Cause whichever review i watch it is considered as best mini led tv right now for reasonable price.....
I am aware almost all panels have flicker to some extent, but oled has a very weird kind of flicker only affecting some darker shades when frametimes swing a lot, it was horrible on my unit. and way worse than any VRR display I have ever used.
@@Koutsn_ Problem is all panels are dumb... because it have no GSYNC MODULE... it flickers because it is not GSYNC certified.. than it flickers more. VA flickers OLED flickers IPS flickers. only tn don't ..
VA and OLED are by far the worst offenders of VRR flicker, I've never used a VRR TN monitor, but I can say that I've never seen any VRR flicker on my 360/390hz IPS(it may be there, but I never ran into it) The G-Sync module would have still improved the VRR experience though, as it can add variable overdrive.
@@MakeSh00t Koutsn_ is right. Yes they all have flicker at some extent but on IPS panels it is so marginal that it's totally unnoticeable. On VA panels it can be very bad especially the mini-led ones and with OLED it's even worse. I've got two IPS monitors and one VA in the last few years and only the VA (Samsung Odyssey G7) had noticeable flicker with G-Sync (and I replaced it just because of that). My current IPS (LG Ultragear) is certified G-Sync but doesn't have the module and there is no flicker at all. I never had an OLED but I searched online a lot about this topic in the last few weeks because I wanted to buy one and the word on forums is that if you are concerned about VRR flicker you should avoid OLED at all cost. You should also watch the RTINGS video about that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1_ZMmMWi_yA.htmlsi=TCdfPGk7jmTia99c
It could have easily been me if it was ingame footage, as I never run any type of syncing, at these higher refresh rates tearing becomes a lot less noticable.
@@Koutsn_ and btw I just got the monitor does ur monitor also have those virtual “bezels” or small black bars I’m running it at native res and full screen but for some reason I have it and its stock settings
Yes, as I mentioned in the video, the panel has over provisioning for pixel shift this is completely normal on any OLED monitor. As I did say in the video though, I was quite surprised to see the pixelshift leave this extra room sometimes, I hope Gigabyte fixes that.
Do you have a bad unit? Especially with the start menu off the screen. I've had my fo27q3 for about a month and put just over 80 hours on it and everything has been flawless. I can't speak for the VRR flickering because I haven't noticed it (or any flickering). The alt-tab thing is also puzzling as it has never happened to me. I play mostly WoW these days along with some single player games (Days Gone and RE4 right now). None of those have issues with alt-tab. System specs: Asrock x470 Taichi, 5950x, 32gb Ballistix, XFX 6900XT. Using some generic braided DP 1.4a cable from amazon. Win10 with VRR and HDR enabled
I personally do not believe this is a bad unit, VRR flicker is one of those things that mainly occurs in darker content with inconsistent frametimes and happens on most oleds(Source: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1_ZMmMWi_yA.html ) The blackscreen alt tab issue is Nvidia GPU specific and I stated so in the video.
By the way, I actually want to thank you for confirming that the black screens do not occur on AMD cards like what people said, we are both a sample size of 1, but it's still useful.
@@Koutsn_ I can be a sample size of two since my other computer has a 6800xt reference model. Also no issues with that one (aorus b550i, 5600x). These cards have been great aside from maybe one problematic driver last fall (november maybe?). I don't update drivers to the latest version immediately--this 6900 is running 24.3.1 which works for everything I play. I think the driver problems are vastly overblown and maybe come from the 5700xt issues years ago. My next card will definitely be AMD as I could not care less about ray tracing.
In order to get VRR flicker you have to enable VRR in the panel OSD itself aswell as play your games (by default anyways) in Fullscreen to even activate Gsync/Freesync. And for Nvidia you have an ADDITIONAL checkbox to enable in the control panel, something most people are unaware of entirely. And the flicker only occurs with higher refreshrates. So if you lower it to 120hz or 60hz it becomes way WAY less noticable (its still there however) vs 240 or 360hz (yes while using VRR)
