Apache Hate | The RUTHLESS Blood Feud Between Mexico and the Apache 

As in southern states in America

Against the Mexicans

This is all new to me. Never heard of us natives from Mexico hating natives from the north.

@@carrasco2011sc then your family isn't from Northern Mexico or have been living in the north long enough, back in the 1700s and 1800s most families in Chihuahua were immigrants from Spain or indigenous such as the Taraumaras or Raramuris that also hated the Apaches.

@@RL-zy1zh I am not from the North, soy indigena mixteco de Oaxaca. 100% mixteco.

They ran the same kind of Rackets in Iraq.

That's kinda funny cause one of my ancestors might have been the one to attack yours

Great grandmother? May your great, great grandmother. She wasn't alive to tell you that story. Had to be the yaqui indian.

​@@camlee4562how is that funny?

@@sylvesterjacinto1666 cause of coincidence

Mescalero Apache, I'm very, very happy to hear your love being passed on. My distant brother, we are unbreakable 💪

If your child is born with a blue spot, she is considered a true blood. Most of what was written about us is untrue, as they are accounts from people from Western Society, and not our culture. We never came from Alaska, that is a myth. We came from the Warm Springs cave in New Mexico from the time of the flood, Before that, these were our lands as was for the Dinay people our cousins. There are some that did come from the northern cave, but then it is also true south of the Apacherias, we had people migrate towards us. The assumption of us coming from Alaska is based upon us speaking Athabaskan, and the faulty Berengia theory. We never came from Asia, our origins are from the Americas. Athabaskan was a Northern spoken language going back at least 45, 000 years. So it was spoken by many groups spanning from the four corners going all the way up into Saskatuan Territory. It was one of the oldest languages outside of the ones spoken in the Southern Americas. Traces of our language can be found in Chineses, Japanese, Polynesian, and Tagalog. This is proof of sea-faring before younger dryas going from east (Americas) traveling West into Asia. So certain Asian groups are descendant from Natives and are tied to the Americas.

@@nrgpirate I’m sorry but I didn’t just wake up one day and read some of the information I shared then repost it. Apaches being from Alaska (well my tribe at least) is actually something that my mother was told by Apache elders in our tribe. The stories about Apaches were shared with me by members of other neighboring tribes. Whether Apaches or Natives in general came from Asia or vice versa is up to your interpretation. Not taking my argument that far.

@@Paquito-wz6eg If you had read my comment, I had said that some of the migrations into Apacheria were from the north, but they are not from Warm Springs Cave, they are later migrations, the same as from the south migrations to the north. This is what we say as Ndee' Hadaska or Ndee' Yahudah. Dinay have similar tails of migrations to become Dinay. Apaches were NOT a singular group of people. This is why some had clans, and some didn't. Some had stories from the north, and some from the south, and some originating from the Warm Springs cave. I had several Apache elders confirm this, including my grandparents before they died. Everything I have mentioned is verified both in the paleo-linguistic record, the anthropological record, and archeological record. It shouldn't upset you at all. It should make you proud, because being Apache is more than the surface of what most people know. As far as what you called the interpretation of Native Asiatic descent, I had done the research, it isn't an interpretation, it science fact, one that Western Society wishes would go away. Feel free to mention to your elders about the blue spot. They will tell you the truth. Peace Shikasen.

@@nrgpirate Judging by how long your comment is it seems as though you’re the one that is upset.

True, also how we were raised back in the day literally molded us into animals in a non derogatory way. In the way you can tell a wild wolf's eyes are different than a domesticated one.

Hunter gatherers can walk forty miles a day. That's why it was next to impossible to defeat them militarily. The terrain would wear on soldiers and horses were little help. But quantity is its own quality so both sides decided to negotiate.

Any water sources in those areas?

That's the thing about nature. It'll provide you with everything that you need for survival, as long as you know how to utilize it properly but that same environment will toughen you up.

​@sage1682 yes, I get what you mean. We are tho, my grandfather could tell the time by the sun.

I tell stories how I talk to my friends. I appreciate that people can enjoy that. Thank you.

I know right. I immediately click off videos when I hear an AI voice.

One of the best things about this channel, no weird VO or TV voice! It's just a guy talking.

@@datesanddeadguys You should have been a history teacher. Instead of dusty names and dates, you somehow fill it all with life and make it all understandable and palatable. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. My day job is a history teacher.

True

Cause fuh em 😂

Wait are you talking about Tacuache? I've never heard a Mexican say the word Apache ever

@@dabearsbriggs55ur not with your gente foo that’s why your like no sabo cuh

@@dabearsbriggs55i think its more of a northern mexican term, its like saying indio

Esta en la loteria tambien

Lol, my mom would say something similar too, lol. ❤❤❤

And Mestizos are half Spaniard, so wth are you talking about?

Yessir

Same here American of Irish Mexican decent love these overlooked parts of history.

@@kevinyoung947 el pinche canelo

@@deadbol8090 lol I look a lot more Mexican then he does

Woke people always talk about the white man Americans being evil but Mexico.and many other latin american counties were way more brutal towards natives even to this day.

Dude,I'm 62 years old,before I get too old I want to visit your country,walk the land of your ancestors,to look into the eyes of an Apache, before I die,peace brother

Only my great-grandmother was Apache. She is in a picture in an Arizona museum. Apparently, she is from the lineage of Cochise. I never felt like my Mexican relatives. I always felt like they were not my people. When I first started seeing Apache videos. I felt this was who I was like. And this was before I realized the largest percentage in my blood came out as Apache..... I appreciate my Apache brothers. Stay strong.

Viva Las Vegas, vivaaaaaa Las Vegas!!

​@@tonytony6912Weird you can't have a "tribal blood quantum" that doesn't exist

@@tonytony6912mamon😂

You reminded me to finish the audio book…

It is my favorite book but also read Life Among The Apache by Grenville something. There isn't much writing on their day to day lives especially the settlement of Bylas but this book is about a dude who lived with them for several years and gained their trust which is so hard to do.

"A first person account" of a feud between Apache and Mexicans written by a white guy? Doesn't pass the smell test to a jaded person with an ounce of common sense/street smarts.

Blood Meridian is not a first person account. It is a great book.

Blood brother is a good book

That is true it ruins their medicine

That is true man being skinned alive is scary

Likewise 🤟

Me too

Jeronimo was not a hero. He was a renegade and led his people into constant war and famine. The Natives were extremely stubborn and refused to settle and practice ranching or agriculture....

Myself as well. I’m currently reading a book due to past videos and just bought one because of this one.

@@alfonsoamador958 cool

And Chinese workers

Yeah they not are loyalty to anyone cut throat. Feed them and then cut the hand that fed them and want to rob those that extended mercy towards them selfish to the fullest Me and only me. That’s why they beefed .No one digs people like that. Petty!! Then they cry of the injustice towards them. Child like. Like a infant who has never been disciplined. You reap what you sow homeboy.

also the spaniards

​@glenros516 in war everyone usually takes slaves though many african wars and tribes keep rivals slaves like women or kids. Ive seen it personally

Yup they had any slaves, Mexicans,black,whites.

There’s a lot of native tribes in chihuahua

so that would make you Geronimo^3

YEs mexicans never liked the indios. Just like american history, mexicans had a very brutal history against natives.

Idk where you heard otherwise but Mexicans have always been oppressed in USA… it’s just not spoken about like the Natives and black… because we don’t complain and wait for handouts

@@johnathanperez1135 they lived in Mexican-majority neighborhoods in California, where signs said no dogs, no Indians allowed. And they never had handouts, they left reservations before government benefits were even a thing, none of my family is registered natives and we have never received any benefits. My family were all hardworking military veterans and proud Americans. So yes the discrimination directly towards Indians was a real thing in their day but they surpassed it. Nobody said Mexicans have never experienced racism in this country either. It's not a competition.

Without the We the people of America would be eating shit food out of can & living n a shit behind the boarder

​@@LukanorPridenobody likes Indians in any continent in any country. Mexicans are super racist to native Americans to this day. It is very well documented and there are countless videos on RU-vid talking about the discrimination they face in Mexico. But then Mexicans wanna turn around and claim "Aztec pride" while hating them in their backyard.

@@johnathanperez1135if yall are so oppressed tho the border into your homeland is right there 🙏🏿

Hard times man. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to go to bed at night or out in the fields during times like these.

Just imagine what it would be like going to sleep. You have your wife and 3 kids in the same room as you .Maybe you have a hired hand and his wife in a lean two next to the house . I don’t think I could sleep until 1914 ,every pop,creak and snap and bodily noise would have me on hyper alert.

@@datesanddeadguys Probably felt like the nazis were invading to INDIGENOUS FAMILIES trying to survive the invasion? There is a mass grave of 60k Comanche Women and Children murdered by Caucasian families still alive in the area -COMANCHE NATION -COMANCHE NATION

@@richardputz3233 Are we talking about Indigenous Families having to hide from the invaders or what? -COMANCHE NATION

@@thechiefwildhorse4651 you have a valid point. Maybe you could find the answer to your question by asking the Lipan and Kiowa Apaches that were displaced by the Comanches?

They're not native. They came from Europe and Asia, just like us, and had originally settled a long way from where we encountered them.

Thank you. I have enjoyed researching and making them.

@@formwiz7096 No we are INDIGENOUS. Long before Caucasians were created from swine. -COMANCHE NATION

How old r u bro? 120

@@Power_Prawnstar me 42. My father 75.

That focuses on the scalp hunting industry where Mexico paid for Apache scalps Of course scalp hunters weren’t particularly discriminating Black hair and pink scalp being hard to determine in origin

He wasn't mexican in 1776 he was spanish

@@nelsonr1467no, they were Mexican there is a near zero chance either of them ever saw Spain

@user-cz2ih5rj1t No. They are Spanish citizens within the Spanish empire. The Mexican state did not exist. The Mexican identity did not exist. Your American Masonic ideals haven't reached New Spain yet.

@@nelsonr1467 Mexico had an indigenous population my dude. Much of which didn't interbreed with the Spanish even if they took on many aspects of Spanish/European civilization.

​@planescaped You do realize Spanish came from Spain right and not Mexico right? The Mexicans who was fighting the apache/commanche was spanish bred with south and Central natives. There was no Mexicans before the Spanish. Like do a little research

I’ll admit I’m ignorant on most of Mexican history. So how did Mestizos come to be? Did Aztecs and other indigenous tribes invite Spain over to their traditional lands to integrate with and lose everything? I always thought Spain came over uninvited to invade and conquer. I think it’s no different than what happened to Natives in Canada and United States. Only difference might be it happened earlier in Mexico.

@@Rich-ri8nl Marriage between the Spanish and the Natives was very common. Also usually in the US the government and early colonists forced Natives to move or relocate, in modern day Mexico the Spanish usually forced them into labor and converted them to Catholicism, so overall there was more intermarriage in modern day Mexico I think, so now most Mexicans are mestizo, around half Spanish, half Native.

@@Rich-ri8nl Sorry in advance for the long read. You’re right. Spanish’s intentions were to invade and conquer. It was no different than the North. Only difference is one decided to rape en masse while the North didn’t. Everything else is pretty much the same. Genocide, stealing lands, gold, destroying codexes, artifacts, betraying allied native tribes. And so on As far as how welcoming the tribes were. Other tribes were more welcoming than Aztecs. Aztecs were at first cautiously welcoming but the Aztec king eventually became more hostile towards Spaniards. Other tribes sided with the Spaniards simply because they hated the Aztec’s war mongering culture and their ritual sacrifices in which they sacrificed prisoners of war from other tribes. Spanish (with the help of neighboring tribes) invaded Tenochtitlan because of the sacrifices they witnessed. Many scholars argued they were going to invade anyway but saw the sacrifices as an easy justification. Spaniards were clever in their tactics by deceiving Aztecs into their trap many times but it wasn’t enough and Spanish conquistadors almost lost. What pretty much helped Spanish win was the smallpox and other diseases that wiped out so much of the Aztecs. Including the tribes that helped the Spanish. Also to note. Spaniards weren’t saviors to the allied tribes. They were also eventually betrayed (shocker) and subjected to the same racism and brutality of Spanish’s greed and power. How Mestizos came to be was pretty much Spaniard men raping indigenous women. The reason why the English and the French up north didn’t do as much raping was because they brought their wives with them. Which is why there isn’t much mixing of Europeans and Natives up North vs Europeans and Natives down South. And by the time the English and French settled in America, the Aztec Empire was long gone, fell to the Spaniards. And Mestizos were also more common by that time. And because the racial mixing was more common amongst Europeans and Natives in the South, the concept of the “casta system” was birthed. Almost like Jim Crow Law but I guess some would argue it wasn’t as bad while others would argue it was the same or just as bad. The Casta System is a racial hierarchy system. - The offspring of a Spanish man and an indigenous woman is called a “Mestizo” So half European and half Indigenous. - The offspring of a Mestizo man and a Spanish woman is called a “Castizo” Because the Mestizo man is half mixed and had children with a European woman, their child is three quarters Spanish and one quarter indigenous. In Spaniard’s words “bettering the race” - The offspring of a Castizo man and a Spaniard woman is called “Español” It literally just translates to “Spanish”. It pretty much means the child is now indistinguishable from a full blooded Spanish person. Of course the top of the racial hierarchy would be full blooded Spanish. 2nd would be Castizos. 3rd would be Mestizos. 4th would be Mulato (mix black and white) 5th would be Morisco Pretty much the rest at the bottom having no European ancestry. Black people being at the bottom. So basically the whiter you are the better your outcome in life would be but it’s not all black and white. Gender also plays a role in this. White males were above white females. For instance. If you are mulato (black mix) or mestizo (amerindian mix), and your father is white full Spanish blood, despite that child still having dark skin, they would still have a better life compared to others with their skin type simply because his/her father is white. Just type in Casta System on google and you’ll see in images of the racial hierarchy template. These days the word Mestizo is used more often as an racial identifier. So you’ll rarely hear other terms used from the casta system. The casta system is officially disbanded but some would argue unofficially still exists today. For instance, lighter skinned Mexicans or white Mexicans often land movie and tv roles at a disproportionate rate than those who are darker skinned. And when dark skinned Mexicans do land movie roles, they are type casted as criminals, maids, etc. It’s like what Hollywood used to do to black people back then.

Any Mexican with Aztec blood was likely a bastard child of an Aztec woman that was raped by invading Spaniards.. Not exactly an expert on the subject but Spain did invade that land, so if they did the exact same thing as Americans and started claiming land as their own, the Apache had every right to fight back. Sounds like a shit take to me. "We claimed your land, if you attack us in retaliation you're invading!"

Part of our ancestors aren’t Aztec, only, but a mashup of all tribes around the center of Mexico

From one Texan to another, I can't help but wonder why they didn't teach us this in school? This is absolutely fascinating.

Mexican American. yes

history is written by the victors

Indians live in INDIA ,

@@user-lb9wj6qy2pDo they own casinos over there?

Why do yall keep letting white people tell you about you

@@freebirdjackson5511 Are people in India on concentration camps put there by Caucasians? -COMANCHE NATION

You're not going to learn anything, with this shitty, and inaccurate video!!!.

De donde eres hermano?

Lmao if i had a dollar everytime i hear my grandma was stolen or my grandma was a cherokee princess lolits all BS

aint nobody stole her lol she just wanted that mexican chorizo and tried it and couldnt go back to her rez

@@carlosm.3426 mexico is the rez

Bullshit story. You're not apache. Too many mexican Americans say this same story.

Thanks for watching. I am trying to put together good content. I love that people have been enjoying it.

Same here!

Not really many of us are half mexican half TO half mexican half Yaqui in tejas alot of chicanos are half camanche its the white boys(cherokees) who are always trying to start some sht we all eat beans tortillas and 🫔 tamales stay strong my desert people💪🏽🌵

Epic

This is a interpretation -COMANCHE NATION

Sent to be slaves in the Yucatan Still killed iirc during early 1900s by Mexican army I hope he covers the Yaqui at some point

My grandmother is Yaqui and told me all the messed up history. I as we’ll hope he makes a video on them as It would be nice to show to friends

That's what I mean the government was brutal against yaki from Sonora and the Mayans lacandones. Porfirio dias the dictator. Fir more than 30 years on power .

True and before them the Aztecs to other indigenous nations

Yakis are warriors and are still around!

When did this happen? As far as all the info I looked up they are still not recognized by the Mexican government. That, although in Mexico, Apaches do not officially exist. Longoria, who is also a historian and academic, has been one of the main drivers for the recognition of his people in Mexican territory. This from 2021 and there is nothing I could find that supports your claim. Go any links or info?

My ancestors on both sides all came from Chihuahua ..traveled to northern New Mexico before it was a state ( currently Lincoln County ) and farmed until the late 1930s. Apache/Mexican/Spanish. A complete town (Rancho de Los Padillas) is named after my ancestors , (Schools , Judges , Citywide ) .

@@josevegagrimaldi4327 Yeah. I looked up the languages recognized by Mexico and none seem to be Apache languages. Weird.

PIMA

What about the Jumano people?

Yeah. We sucked far worse on our own in regards to the natives than when we were Spanish subjects. A big part of It was that 19th Century nationalism was built around the correlation of territory, state, people and language, so as any 19th Century country we went all in in our "Civilizatory mission"

It’s possible. I find stories like this super intriguing. There are a number of them in this sort of genre I would like to tell.

Why not go to the Tribal Nation that teaches all about Tecumseh? Even Haskell Indian Nations University teaches about him and much more. -COMANCHE NATION

Why hate thoe we basically are the same people they understand that

Stop saying Hispanics. Not all mexicans are hispanic

​@@trollgeneral6624yes they are. Mexicans are mestizos. Not real Natives.

​@@joseguti928they're not the same people.

​@@joseguti928 They're not the same people, Mexicans are mestizos. European DNA in Mexico ranges from 56%-78% that doesn't sound like the same people to me.

I’m Apache and tarahumara

@@Hijadelviento9 Yay!!!!

Partner? What are you guys like cowboys together or somethin? Lol

Holy shit!

As an Apache my grandma told me Mexicans would circulate this story where an Apache child was captured and placed to a Mexican family and how they chewed their own wrist veins to kill themselves and avoid being captured. Is this true? The circulation of the story not the story itself, or both of you have insight

Thanks for watching!

Awesome! Thank you. I have five others in this series. Check them out if you are into it.

Yes! There is a kind of “manifest destiny”in Mexico like in the US. Many Mexicans feel like Mexico had the “right” to Conquer the Apache just like they had Conquered and Mexicanized most other native populations. I have never met a single Apache, Oodham, Yaqui, Comanche or any other southwest US Native American that ever considered themselves or any of there ancestral lands as part of Mexico.

Agree! Mexican is a nationality like American (U.S.), but there are people of different ethnicities/races that are Mexican (some indigenous, but not all the same tribe). As far as indigenous people of North America- different colonizer, but same struggle.

yes, exactly as the USA...colonial history always results in this melding of cultures and races...

But but the colonizers were terrible lol

Do you have any sources for the Osage eating children? Sounds like an interesting read to say the least.

Talking out your ass...

We didn't need to eat people. Plenty of buffalo and deer to eat lol Do Caucasians eat the babies they kill in abortion clinics??? Sorry to ruin your European shade lol -COMANCHE NATION

Yes and the Sioux and Seminoles as well

Cool

Probably true the Apache have no descendants and or little/ No reservations because they chose to be warmongers and in the end they lost the great plains to the Comanchee

@@BernieSanders-bn5dk I'm pretty sure they have the White Sands Reservation and a couple of others. My Buddy Hawk R.I.P. had lived there as a child. I may be off on the name. But I'm sure he said he had lived on a Rez out in the S.W.

hello, apache here, we still exist.@@BernieSanders-bn5dk

de echo an echo pruebas d ADN a varias tribus d México y todos tienen diferentes genes

The Europeans largely sucked at the practice of subjugation, which is surprising given the ancient records they had access to.

So Europeans are thieves? -COMANCHE NATION

Wtf do you hear yourself. More like since they decided to to not take their ideology and religious form of life that's was being force on them.. just like now we are being forced on that sick ass trans ideology.. They even got their own form of explaining something that can't be explained..

What Apache tribe/band are you?

True, but what happens when corporations take over the government?

@@rcobb2979 that's why citizens are supposed to maintain vigilance, and keep government in check. The Constitution was specifically written so that the Federal government would have almost power over our day to day lives, almost no military with which to get into trouble in "European adventures" or enforce tyrannical here at home. With so little power in the Federal government, there would be no real reason for a business to try and take over the federal government. The problems began when we went from the concept of electing people into office that had been successful in life, ran businesses, etc ... and where now, as community elders giving back to that community through service, to what we have today, career politicians whose only concerns are staying in office. When you have politicians that have been in politics, being in an elected office for decades you open the door for corruption to enter. If the officials you want to bribe into acting in your favor are changed every 4 years then the likelihood of you even trying to bribe them goes down. Why pay an expensive bribe now when you know that the person being bribed has almost no power and will be replaced in a couple years potentially making a bribe paid now a waste of money potentially because who knows if the replacement will be willing to participate in such corruption. Now we have people currently in office since the 1960s, who all the special interest groups know very well, and have paid them very well. This is how you get politicians who draw a government salary around $200k that have a net worth approaching half of a billion dollars. Somewhere along the way of our citizens became to self absorbed, lazy, and complacent, and allowed everything our founding fathers designed our government to prevent turn into reality. At some point we either accept it as the way it is, or we step up and take it back.

That's exactly what the Democratic Party did to poor inner city Blacks.

And now their importing millions more through their open border policy.

It's time for the government to keep these native apache terrorists in check

Mixtec right here of Oaxaca 💪🏽

How ✋🏽

Same, my roots are in mexico city and people tend to forget governments were ran by mostly white men back then just like the United States. I met a Navajo man in bootcamp and he was cool and I learned alot from him we can all learn something from eachother.

Native pride 🪶

Bang on them let them knw why isnt a indigenous man telling this story it has to be pilgrim divid and conquer to have us fighting for there left overs and every dumb dumb wants to fall for it stop being colonized stay woke

Resrouces are always in the video description.

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Did you? That energy never left Mexico. Apache, Comanche, The Spanish! I weep hearing these stories

@@LadoEste9 its called remembering history

Yeah right 😄

Nobody really won.

Out numbered one million to one...yet N'daa the apache where far more superior in war fare...so I guess it was an even fight...lmao...

You need to talk to those of us surviving Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache

@@ewellfossum I would love the opportunity, I lived in Arizona a majority of my life, but I always thought it would be offensive as a white guy to pursue the history of others when the wound of the past are still fairly open.

There's a fascinating book, "The Comanche Empire", by a Norwegian or Finn, I think; details 1700-1850 more or less. It's when I began to understand the clashes between Indians and Europeans, when both sides became rational intelligent human beings. Before then (my ancestry is close to 100% English) both sides has been just fuzzy mysteries as to motivations.

@@TheArizonaRanger. When I was young we had many of the old ones were that were still living and things were taught to the young people about traditional plants, medicines, and our history. Some of these old ones were prisoners of war and I had a profound respect for them. I myself grew up with Geronimo's great grandsons, he had 6 or 7 that lived close to my grandmother, she herself was a great granddaughter of Victorio and Mangas Coloradas. When I teach my kids how to hunt that's when strategies and stalking tactics of being Apache are used.

I have thought about it. It has been requested a bunch of times so I know there is interest. Creating a narrative about it is a doozy. I am doing one on the fall of the Comanche when I finish the Apache series. That will cover a lot of that aspect. Maybe something more in depth would be fun if I can fit stories into it. thank you.

Who's conquered? I have 2 sets of twins on this planet lol STILL HERE -COMANCHE NATION

@@thechiefwildhorse4651still out riding the planes. Raiding, robbing, murdering and living in a teepee or wikiup. Like brave worriers did before they were conquered.

@@danielcombs3048 Still putting illegal Caucasians in their place yup! HOKAH!!! -COMANCHE NATION

Native not Indian that term should dissappear once and for all.

@@carrasco2011sc Charles Curtis referred to himself as Indian. I'll honor his preferences.

@@brendansherry8737 That name sounds very white but ok.

@@carrasco2011sc You should look him up. Very cool story, very cool life.

Thank you. Sources are scarce but I am doing my best to give as much of the Apache perspective in this series as I can.

@datesanddeadguys I'm also Menominee, Badriver Ojibwe and Norwegian from Wisconsin.