I've had Aperion Audio Intimus 5T towers and center channel that have performed flawlessly for years now. Not sure what set you are reviewing, but that is my experience. I'm definitely not a professional audio person, but very happy.
To all the Aperion bashers.. saying the company is shit because of this poorly measuring entry level 10 year old discontinued line.. is like saying you would never buy Cornwalls because the entry level Klipsch line is, well ..entry level. (no I'm Not comparing aperion to the heritage series ) . BTW dig the channel... ridiculous amount of knowledge. learning a lot.
Bought my initial Aperion speakers 12 years ago - subwoofer and two standmount. However, I have always bought their top line Versus, I now have 14 total Aperion speakers. My 7.1 system includes 3 way towers, center and and 4 stand mounts. This system is being pushed by 300 watts rms @ 2 channels & 230 watts rms @ 6 channels - pushing my towers hard - they are perfectly silent in quiet passages.. none of the 12 speakers have made noise or broken down - including the 12 year old subwoofer. So you are looking at some older design?/previous ownership? - agree with all your comments on your clients speakers but I challenge you to take a look at their Versus line. Their customer service is the best I have come across - they answer your emails & calls and provide lifetime technical service. These speaker are built with HDF and are very much internally braced.
This is the very bottom of the Aperion line, you're looking at $200 speakers. They don't even make these anymore. I have Aperion Super Tweeters on top of my Linton's and they sound great. They make the Linton's much more dynamic and airy.
The Intimus 6T retailed for $1,390 a pair. Be careful with those super tweeters. This is what can happen: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-razZspj7S0o.htmlsi=ZdgNaPDauCYqu869
Sounds to me like the company spent the money on the "outside", instead of the "inside". Probably a great look for a magazine shoot for furniture ensembles. OR, it could be one of Kevin's "White Van Speakers", that happens to be in Glossy Piano Black. Probably a walk-away moment.
Sadly and unfortunately this is even more true now than ever! What most folks don't know is that this is also true in speakers costing 10's of thousands. Advice: Do your homework!!! Here's a freebee from a pro: Your room and amp are the most critical factors in determining the right speaker.
I bought some Aperion speakers in 2009, when the Intimis 6T and 6C were their top of line. There were compromises in design obviously, but at that time they were one of two companies that sold through the internet, and compared favorably with what was being sold at the audiophile stores, at that price point. They required much placement tweaking, room correction, and definitely benefitted from having the front stage powered by separate amps. Thank you for all of your efforts, I watch regularly, and would love to design and build some open baffled speakers.
I almost bought a 5 channel Aperion set years ago. Instead I opted to go with 2 great tower speakers from a semi-custom shop for a very nice stereo pair with excellent sound. After watching this I'm even more convinced that I did the right thing.
The aperion grand verus have reviewed so well but after watching Erin's audio corner its making me second guess my decision i was set on getting the new concert towers and center and bookshelf i dont know now
@@greggibson33always listen. But, with just 30 to 60 minutes, in a room you don't know, with source components you don't necessarily know, and a limited selection of tracks, how do you make a truly informed decision? Too many variables there. This is where places like ASR, Stereophile, Hi-Fi News and Danny come in. You can check that the speakers / amplifiers / DACs have the basics covered, and you're not going to get blinded by showroom appeal, then deeply disappointed 3 to 6 months later when your system's faults annoy the sh1t out of you. Faults that are glaringly obvious on a quick frequency response curve and spectral decay. So, for the optimum, shortlist from technical reviews, final selection by listening. Those technical reviews also need to be balanced against your personal preferences ☺️
@greggibson33 it's not as easy as that where I'm at and using there in home trial is big hassle I have heard the arendal 1723 towers my friend has that full system and it's incredible I had the original grand Verus tower years ago in a 2 channel and I did like them but but was running them off a onkyo receiver that didn't have enough power to make the sing but now I have much better equipment I'm currently running svs prime system that I got very cheap from my friend as I saved money
Danny have you by chance seen the results of a acelarometer test of a speaker with and without NO/REZ. I’m not doubting it’s performance, I had great results using it in a big box speaker. I think this would be a cool test to see. However I understand every speaker is different and could also need additional bracing added. 👍🏻🔈
I sometimes wonder if it would make sense to offer a complete redesign for these kind of speakers that have beautiful cabinets, but difficult to correct situations? Meaning, recommend replacement drivers and an updated crossover design. If replacement woofers/tweeters and crossover kits could come together you may open up a whole new upgrade path for people. Probably easier said than done, but just a thought.
Hard to be worse than JBL I think. Heard a lot of their kit at a trade show a few weeks back; the only reason I didn't walk out of the demo was because I didn't want to appear rude, and yet, people think they're the best thing since sliced bread!
I am wondering if adding some ribs / braces to the cabinet would be a very good thing? In addition to the resonance damping sheets - reducing the "contributions" of the cabinet makes it slightly less complicated, I would think.
@@estebanleacho9315 Technically viable? Of course. Economically viable? Only for the other fellow who got this for super cheap on the used market or as a few gift. Are people always economically rational? No.
They're not worth upgrading, so where are the critics who claim Danny only offers this service for upgrade money? They've disappeared? They're silent? Sigh, I'm enjoying the peace and quiet.
I bought a used 5.1 Aperion Audio Verus II setup and have been extremely happy with them. I have them connected to Marantz SR7015 receiver, they work flawlessly with movies, music, video games. Not to mention I got like 6 years of the remaining warranty transferred to me despite buying them used! Aperion’s customer service is outstanding. The speakers you’re looking at are their old cheaper line, not really worth the tear down
Awesome- my days of running are over- was a national rep and coached many national record holders and winner in USATF /AAU. Also coached a few Masters back in the day @@dannyrichie9743
Oh dear. How sad, reminds me of Klipsch and B&W I have no doubt you can fix them and I look forward to the next instalment greetings from the Black Forest, Germany
I have the v8b's and without question, no BS, absolutely smokes my past 4 bookshelfs. 1) Kef ls50 Meta....😅 not even a chance for the Kefs. 2) Wharfedale evo 4.2....😮ahhhhh, i dont think so. 3) Polk legend l200 😢....oh i wish it didnt destroy my beloved Polks, but it DID. 4) And finally, to my dismay, my Canton Vento 836.2's 😢. Oh how the Aperions whaled on and bullied the Cantons. So needless to say, go get the V8B. 56 lbs. of pure audio bliss. Now i shall return to my listening. Take care all. 😊
Really an unfair assessment of Aperion. Why would you choose to test outdated no longer sold bottom line speakers? You are doing a very deserving company a disservice by not noting manufacturers production date and cost. Aperion is an excellent company that makes some excellent speakers. Try testing something current and top of the line!
First of all, we don't choose to test anything. We only work on what customers send in for upgrades. If the product was great and the customers love them, then they typically don't send them in for improvements. Also, current or not, this is what they put out.
@@dannyrichie9743 Love your channel. Appreciate you. I just don’t believe that testing bottom line discontinued speakers, without an addendum, is at all fair to a company like Aperion. Aperion make’s quality excellent sounding speakers, right here in the USA. Felt a need to stick up for them and support them. 🤷🏻♂️
@@dawolyan13 I get it. They may be a great company and they may have some great products, but this is what they sold and they do have to own it. Some of these were not engineered very well. There is nothing I can do but be honest as always. It is what it is.
10 year old discontinued budget speakers...ok. Well I did a side by side comparison of Aperion V6T to Revel F206 and the Revel lacked refinement & depth in comparison. I sold my Revels.
That would really only address resonances on the top panel. The side/rear panels would still flex and ring. The tension from the added weight may push the resonances up a little bit, but you would need to add bracing to really control things, especially lower frequencies.
Hello. 2.1 speaker is 2 way with a bass, sub. Crossover points can be whatever you want. 200hz or 100hz. if the midrange/bass goes down that far without creating sound problems. Remember that it is difficult and impractical to make a speaker crossover in such low frequencies! 200hz then you must have a 6.3mh coil in 8 ohms and 3.18mh in 4 ohms. If you have a lot of some low frequencies, you have to lower them, but then you also have to use relatively large coils. speaker crossover becomes large and expensive. When using large coils, you can get a phase shift, I've heard. You must also not have large coils with copper wires that are too thin, as you will then get a lot of resistance, ohm in the coil. Air coils without a metal core, which are the most sonically good, become large and expensive as they use a lot of copper.
There are a couple over the moon reviews about Aperion. I was very skeptical as you just don't get something for nothing. Either they can't hear the issues, or they are paid to ignore them in the review.
Yeah the Intimus line is Aperion's budget or "entry-level" line - and these models are a few generations old (though I don't exactly know how old they are). Their upper lines are 'seemingly' much better designed.....
Danny you mention maybe converting the towers to 2.5 to get acoustical centers closer, can you tell me the ideal crossover point for something like that ?
I think it's going to depend on how all the drivers sum, not just a single number you target. You'll want to make sure you cross the mid-woofer and woofer low enough that the woofer and tweeter are no longer interacting and that's going to vary from speaker to speaker depending on the drivers used and crossover design.
@@MrCommunistGen thank you, I'm just trying figure this stuff out, I forget there is usually a crossover slope and the drivers are overlapping still just at lower volume, kinda like my sub is set on 70hz but I can still here a bit up to 200
@@dannyrichie9743 thank you, and that brings me to another question, as I do my research it's said the midrange especially around 1k 2k area is crucial, yet it seems most woofers don't like playing that high and most tweeters don't like playing that low, but if you can get tweeter to play to 750 that's golden ? but yet that's how it is 99%, 2 drivers playing in same crucial area. However wouldn't that 3inch lgk be best option to do the work at 750 to 3k or even 600-6k ?
Hello. 2.1 speaker is 2 way with a bass, sub. crossover points can be whatever you want. 200hz or 100hz. if the midrange/bass goes down that far without creating sound problems. remember that it is difficult and impractical to make a speaker crossover in such low frequencies! 200hz then you must have a 6.3mh coil in 8 ohms and 3.18mh in 4 ohms. If you have a lot of some low frequencies, you have to lower them, but then you also have to use relatively large coils. speaker crossover becomes large and expensive. When using large coils, you can get a phase shift, I've heard. You must also not have large coils with copper wires that are too thin, as you will then get a lot of resistance, ohm in the coil. Air coils without a metal core, which are the most sonically good, become large and expensive as they use a lot of copper
Someone please send GR-Research the newer Verus III V6T tower or V5B bookshelf and V6C center! Would love to see their flaws especially in the crossover and protruding baffle design
@@dannyrichie9743 Holy cows!!! I did not expect a response from the man himself. I just bought it on sale because for better or worst, I am addicted to the JBL sound (got a pair of LX 600). And you are correct, that speaker is tiny AND a pain in the butt to take apart.
Considering they were in that $1000 area new…. The investment to upgrade them is likely not worth it. I did enjoy them (actually still have them) but my Revel’s quickly showed there was a lot to be desired and the data backed that feeling up.
I can't figure out what model he is trying to describe, but anyway here is my Aperion experience. I own 633-T tower speakers, and paid a $1000 for them in 2006. My speakers are a 3 way speaker, and weigh almost 70lbs a piece. They are not cheaply braced or put together. They are as good or better than my buddies $2000 Paridigm Tower Speakers which were on a higher $ amp. They blew $600 box store Klipsch out of the water, which I took back. Are they as good as my buddies $4000 Dynaudio speakers on a Macintosh amp. Heck no. Are they perfect no, but they are dang good speakers. Anyway this guy is try to sell u something. I don't comment on this stuff usually, but video seemed like a pretty vague hit piece.
Like my old pal at work would say, 'beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is through and through'. So, I'd ask him, Al, why are you so cheerful this morning? Did you run over a small child on the way to work?
It's a combination of not being in phase, and the tweeter rolling off way too early. Even if they were fully in phase, there would still be a dipped shelf at the crossover point. So it would likely need a few adjustments to let it play down lower as well as fix the phase issue.
I almost bought Aperion speakers until Danny saved me. I sent him an email with a Pic of the supposedly "high quality" crossover. Danny said it was cheaply made. Turns out, it was. If a company is going to be dishonest about that, what else are they not telling the truth about? Anyway, I'm pretty sure these speakers are designed and made in China. They're just sold by an American Company.
These aren't really reviews. I did get an email from one a few weeks ago asking if I would be interested in collaborating with them on a new product line.
@@pnichols6500 I have been doing this for a while. My designs have won just about every industry award there is, including awards given out at the shows.
OMG is this a startup from ex-Klipsch people? How difficult is it as a speaker producer to shoot response curves? Once i got my UMIK-1 and REW setup in my basement workshop it takes no time at all. Shoot the drivers, measure impedance with DATS pull the data into XSim and start building a draft crossover then clip the prototype together and refine it from there. You should be able to do a decent first pass in a little over an hour if you have the required values on hand. I just reengineered the crossovers on 3 pairs of Linn TUKANs as wall mounted surrounds for my home Theater, and today its the AV 5110’s for ceiling mounted Atmos heights. Imagine how much quicker this would go if it was a full time business deal and not a retirement hobby ( for a guy with only one hand, thanks to my stroke four years ago). Pay peanuts - you get monkeys?…
This is there entry level stuff, their upper end is much better. There Verus line is night and day with these. I did a demo at there shop, wasn’t a fan of the Intimus line either Verus is great, Theatrus theater line is amazing but need a good bit of power to get the most out of them. If you’re that close, call them, go in and have a demo. Well worth your time.
@@greggibson33 Opinion? Did you see the frequency response on these? Like at 11:00? I'm glad I haven't heard them! 🤣 And honestly if a company is going to shovel out garbage to the lower tier consumers and rely on reputation from their super high end products to drive sales I don't want anything to do with them. It's kind of basic expectations to at least get your drivers in phase at any price point.
This is the reason why I no longer subscribe to Stereophile. Gone of the days of reviewers like Cory Greenberg who really told it like it is. Looking, also, at how JA configures/edits the spectral decay graph, he's hiding the fact that there's such a HUGE hump at 1k. Whenever I pick up a Stereophile and read a review, I find myself bored and disappointed in the bland, vague, pallid, and "nice" tone that they take with every review. Everything is a good-value-for-money, something-I-could-easily-live-with, difficult-to-fault... blahblahblaaaah... there's no wonder why the audio industry is dying.
