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Apologists Turn on Christian Resurrection Scholar (feat. Dr Dale Allison) 

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@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
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@DariusRoland
@DariusRoland Год назад
RE: McLatchie: If I have to pick between all or nothing, then I'm picking nothing until the supernatural elements of the Bible are deomonstrably verified. Thanks anyway, buddy.
@DariusRoland
@DariusRoland Год назад
Definitely interested in Dr. Allison's course, looking at my money situation now.
@DariusRoland
@DariusRoland Год назад
Paul, do I need to buy Dr. Allison's book to get the most out of his course?
@DHPersonal
@DHPersonal Год назад
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@raya.p.l5919
@raya.p.l5919 Год назад
Get yr free all old aches and pains washed away. Last 30 min is intense. A gift from Jesus for all.
@petehjr1
@petehjr1 Год назад
What's wrong with "I believe but I don't really know", it's a much more honest answer than the typical apologist gives.
@Joemamahahahaha821
@Joemamahahahaha821 Год назад
Honesty doesn’t sell the Bible
@tfive24
@tfive24 Год назад
Because, that will bring in doubt.
@AnnoyingNewsletters
@AnnoyingNewsletters Год назад
”[Doubt] is the path to the [truth]. [Doubt] leads to [questioning]. [Questioning] leads to [answers]. [Answers] lead to [truth].”
@scottmaddow7879
@scottmaddow7879 Год назад
I think it devolves into a dichotomy of willful ignorance or intellectual dishonesty. Which is fine, many apologists are intellectually dishonest, willful ignorance is at least honest.
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 Год назад
I would not call Allison an apologist. He is a genuine scholar, even though I disagree with his ultimate conclusion.
@logans.butler285
@logans.butler285 Год назад
The fact that Dale Allison does not know who Frank Turdek is shows how pure of heart (and mind) he is. Truly an angelic hero ❤
@reverendatheist7026
@reverendatheist7026 Год назад
Surely, he must be the son of god.
@deviouskris3012
@deviouskris3012 Год назад
Blessed is he who doesn’t smash their head against a rock after listening to Turek.
@hank_says_things
@hank_says_things Год назад
It's fair to say that most reasonable and educated people have no idea who he is. When they find out, they're horrified
@logans.butler285
@logans.butler285 Год назад
@@hank_says_thingseh, when I was a Christian I found some of his videos very interesting. Now I see that I just watched them for personal reaffirmation of my faith, not to learn. I was happy seeing people who were older than me talking in front of an audience about stuff I wanted to be true. Turek is the Richard Dawkins of Christianity.
@melbied6215
@melbied6215 Год назад
@@logans.butler285 Most apologists are forthright that their work is not to convince non-believers, but to strengthen the faith of current believers.
@Lauren_P_
@Lauren_P_ Год назад
Dr Allison, thank you for coming on Paul’s channel. You come across as such a genuine person. I kind of wanted to cry when you said , “Maybe I’m a hard hearted person.” No sir, you are definitely not.
@joshuagies4900
@joshuagies4900 Год назад
100% agree. Dr. Allison, I very much appreciate your approach and your rigor in intellectual pursuit. Though I don't know much of your work, what I am aware of at this time sparks a high level of respect. Thank you for your work and your quests, both personal and professional.
@davidclark765
@davidclark765 Год назад
Name a more incredible crossover channel for religious discussions than this. This is why I love your work, Paul. You don't just talk the talk on your own; you welcome the other side onto your show, giving them the stage to state their case clearly and fairly. So much appreciation to Dr. Allison for coming!
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Thank you, David.
@proculusjulius7035
@proculusjulius7035 Год назад
Hear hear.
@jamiehudson3661
@jamiehudson3661 Год назад
He only has people on who ageee with his views. He is not looking for truth.
@shaderunner7.0
@shaderunner7.0 Год назад
​@@jamiehudson3661 they are literally a Christian and an Atheist
@jamiehudson3661
@jamiehudson3661 Год назад
@shaderunner9582 One who claims he is a Christian who is outside the norms in his beliefs who just happens to align with Paulogia's historical views on Jesus. He would never have a Chrstian historian like NT Wright on.
@MythVisionPodcast
@MythVisionPodcast Год назад
Dr. Dale C. Allison Jr is, without a doubt, my preferred Christian scholar with his modest and truthful style. I concur with many of his views, although I suspect he may believe that the Gospels contain more memories than I do. Frankly, I'm unsure how one can determine the degree of memory retention when clever storytelling and mythology have overlaid the original text. Dr. Allison's historical examination of the Quest for the historical Jesus is unparalleled and indispensable for anyone who is genuinely interested in New Testament studies. I highly recommend his course!
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Год назад
@MythVision Podcast I’ve occasionally heard apologists argue for special memory retention or, more commonly, highly robust oral transmission among ancient people. I find this highly suspect because to test an _account_ for any given event you’d have to objectively know in detail what _actually happened_ (somehow) and compare it to the account. And never mind trying to figure out how true the written version is to what was being passed by word of mouth in the first place...especially thousands of years ago.
@ruthoglesby1805
@ruthoglesby1805 Год назад
Highly robust oral traditions are evidenced; we know this has/can occur. But that phrases are catchy does not argue for it's truth, or even utility.
@swiftsea6225
@swiftsea6225 Год назад
I agree Derek! Although my beliefs about the Resurrection are more in line with Mike Licona and N.T. Wright, Dale Allison’s humble attitude is something I’m going to take to heart when I study New Testament studies in the university after high school!!!
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Год назад
@ruth oglesby I would not contest that this could happen, but I am skeptical whether it did in the context we’re speaking about here. Short of having a video record of an event, it’d be very difficult to verify the accuracy of 1) the “telling” as compared to the actual event and 2) the most recent oral or written version as compared to the original telling. To some degree we could otherwise verify hard facts, like “this city was destroyed” by archaeological evidence; but establishing who said what would be near impossible.
@ruthoglesby1805
@ruthoglesby1805 Год назад
@@derinderruheliegt Right. My point is fidelity in transmission of any data is not evidence of the truth of validity of said transmission, be it the Bible or the Illiad.
@Rurike
@Rurike Год назад
Its pretty gross that some appologists will go so far as accusing a fellow believer of not being a christain just because their more critical of the historic facts of their religion. Its such a toxic "us versus them" mentality. Add to that all this talking down being aimed at a scholar whose done more useful work/research then they probably ever will
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Agree
@asagoldsmith3328
@asagoldsmith3328 Год назад
It's sad but at least it makes it ever more obvious to a neutral observer how little "scholarly consensus" even exists on this despite what folks like Frank would have you believe.
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 Год назад
Those apologists don't get to dictate their own definition of who is a "true" Christian.
@MrSeedi76
@MrSeedi76 Год назад
​@@asagoldsmith3328 I studied theology at the University of Bamberg in Germany and there is no "scholarly consensus" on basically anything in theology. That's what's so interesting about it. At least I thought so. There are many interesting theories about things - even things that seem "historical" at first, like dating the gospels. But even these are things were barely anything can be said with certainty. Most is based on the texts alone and how they relate to historic events. I found it highly fascinating. I think trying to come up with "proof" for anything in the new testament is wasted time.
@mikearchibald744
@mikearchibald744 Год назад
Thats usually the first sign, and only, for stopping listening to people. When you resort that, you simply are not, well, ANYTHING worth listening to. The teaching company has a great course on the historical jesus, and as is obvious, there is certainly no 'consensus' or there certainly would not be more than one religion, end of story.
@maskedsaiyan1738
@maskedsaiyan1738 Год назад
It seems to me that Apologetics is basically Religious politics. Apologists defend their a priori position no matter what. Some of them go out of their way to slander dissident opinions.
@timothymulholland7905
@timothymulholland7905 Год назад
Apologists are salespersons. Go out there and sell the product by whatever means necessary. I feel sorry for them, because their product is backed by so little convincing evidence.
@Iamwrongbut
@Iamwrongbut Год назад
Our reason is primarily a lawyer, not a detective.
@Ejaezy
@Ejaezy Год назад
They absolutely do, which is why they purposefully misinterpret Matthew 16, and Mark 9 to say that Jesus was talking about the transfiguration or the ascension, when he was clearly talking about the second coming.
@busterfixxitt
@busterfixxitt Год назад
​@@timothymulholland7905Ditto with politicians. I think you're in agreement with each other.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas Год назад
agreed, they are what we in the UK call "spin doctors", take a war over oil and make it a humanitarian mission. god kills for real estate, if they'd realised what oil was back then god would have been after that too.
@Dan_C604
@Dan_C604 Год назад
The fact that Dr. Allison has heroes that contradict on each other on many levels and still take the best from them and be able to remain critical in his own faith is VERY interesting. Much respect. We atheists are not always exposed to this level of thinking. Thank you Paul for bringing him to this episode!
@jana731
@jana731 Год назад
Yeah this is actually kinda cool, I find it hard to believe having this view and remaining theistic. But I love how he goes about it he's so kind hearted you can only like him.
@Dan_C604
@Dan_C604 Год назад
@@jana731 right, I have the same idea in my head but who knows, maybe he is in process of that….
@jeremydoody
@jeremydoody Год назад
When someone wakes up as a Paulogia cartoon: “Your appearance now is what we call your residual self image. I have muscles, you have hair, he is a rhinoceros, etc”
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 Год назад
That sounds like one of those irregular verbs: "I have an independent mine, your are eccentric, and he is round the twist." -- Sir Bernard Woolley.
@jeremydoody
@jeremydoody Год назад
@@michaelsommers2356 😂 it does!
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
the blinking eyed Barney Rubble of internet HAThEisms...
@Forest_Fifer
@Forest_Fifer Год назад
"You have been assimilated. Your likeness has been added to our collective"
@FourDeuce01
@FourDeuce01 Год назад
After dealing with religious apologists online for years, I’ve noticed that the one thing they like more than arguing with atheists is arguing against other theists.😈
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus Год назад
People with marginally different beliefs will always be the most galling. They're the mirror darkly. Reflecting you while showing that your conclusions are maybe not as solid as you thought.
@FourDeuce01
@FourDeuce01 Год назад
@@rainbowkrampus Religious apologists are like little children who can’t face the fact that no conclusions are very solid.🤡
@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806
@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806 9 месяцев назад
Oh no no no. Apologists never argue with other members of their religion. Look at what's happening with Dr. Allison here. They're saying he *isn't* a member of their religion. To most apologists, anyone who disagrees with you by definition is not a member of your religion.
@Magnulus76
@Magnulus76 Месяц назад
@@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806 This is how Fundamentalism works. It draws a narrower and narrower circle of inclusions, both intellectually and spiritually.
@setaside2
@setaside2 Год назад
Dr. Allison's humility is so unbelievably refreshing... Whatever side of this debate one is one, one has to tip one's hat to him for his incredibly high standards for historicity and found opinion. And, as always, thanks to Paul for his never ending quest to bring reasoned debate to the peoples' search for truth.
@AenesidemusOZ
@AenesidemusOZ Год назад
And yet, avid Christians claim he can't be a "real" Christian...
@snakeoilliniment8518
@snakeoilliniment8518 Год назад
Can't wait to see this quote on the back of Frank's next book: "Who's the first person, just out of curiosity?" - Dr. Dale Allison
@Forest_Fifer
@Forest_Fifer Год назад
I can smell the burn from the other side of the Atlantic.
@davidmeyr4558
@davidmeyr4558 Год назад
"You don't know Christian Apologist Frank Turek? Ohhh how I envy you Dr. Allison!" Truer words were never spoken!
@ladyaj7784
@ladyaj7784 Год назад
These people would never look at historical evidence and conclude that the miracles of *any other religion* are the most logical reason for *anything* . So they are among the worst of hypocrites.
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Dr Allison's main objectionable enterprise is asking Christians to do just that.
@joygibbons5482
@joygibbons5482 Год назад
Yep, special pleading all the way down
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
...you'd barely know it from this podcast (28:42)...but, no actually right now it is the skeptics who are after him with their knives...Allison's latest work basically undoes David Hume's proto-modernist denial of miracles ...and based on consistent historical evidence ... go back and listen very closely to the last part where he tries to inject that in...or watch Dale Allison's "is there Evidence of Miracles" from a week or two ago on "Unbelievable" podcast..
@wilsophilip1
@wilsophilip1 Год назад
Well no, that's not right. There is no reason within a Christian worldview why miracles should not be possible within other religions. It is described several times within the Bible of miracles occuring in non-Christian communities. Getting tired of hearing non-Christians assert this.
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
@@wilsophilip1 ...for instance:..."the Magicians" of Pharaoh "Jannes and Jambes" Exodus 7:10-12/2Tim 3:8...Balaam the Moabite prophet, who also appears is known from non-biblical sources...the Greek slave girl with the divining spirit Paul healed...etc. etc... ...makes one wonder if they ever pick Bible up and read it..
@rodbrewster4629
@rodbrewster4629 Год назад
If you let in the supernatural, you actually can't be sure of anything.
@tompatterson1548
@tompatterson1548 Год назад
You can be sure of one thing
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
......then you missed the whole point of Dr.Allison...you'd barely know it from this podcast (28:42)...but, no actually right now it is the skeptics who are after him with their knives...Allison's latest work basically undoes David Hume's proto-modernist denial of miracles ...and based on consistent historical evidence ... go back and listen very closely to the last part where he tries to inject that in...or watch Dale Allison's "is there Evidence of Miracles" from a week or two ago on "Unbelievable" podcast..
@ryant1064
@ryant1064 Год назад
@@tompatterson1548 yeah, it’s bullshit
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus Год назад
"Timmy, where is your homework?" "A wizard ate it."
@capitalistraven
@capitalistraven Год назад
I have to say, I just looked at the sub count and I'm kind of blown away at how undersubscribed Paul is. I watch every single video and I have learned so much. About early Christian history, modern theology, The Academy, and the various sub-cultures of apologetics. His standards of intellectual honesty and quality of work are beyond reproach, probably one of the reasons why he gets so much attention from academics. I particularly love it when he brings on people with different perspectives, like he does here, to weigh in. In conclusion: SUBSCRIBE!
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Very kind... and good advice!
@danielmartin5632
@danielmartin5632 Год назад
Well said. Seconded!
@iluvtacos1231
@iluvtacos1231 Год назад
@LuthAMF Because the "apostates" actually look at history and what is written and don't tend to twist facts to support their agenda.
@iluvtacos1231
@iluvtacos1231 Год назад
@LuthAMF I mean, yeah, which is why apologists aren't great people to go to get accurate information regarding history and the like. Someone like Paul, who isn't bound by a statement of faith (like Sean McDowell) or by theological motivation is a much better place to get unbiased information from.
@iluvtacos1231
@iluvtacos1231 Год назад
@LuthAMF Yes, exactly. You have 100% accurately gotten my position right and haven't straw manned me at ALL. Well done.
@thescoobymike
@thescoobymike Год назад
We all have biases and I personally find it hard for me to set mine aside. Really got to admire Dr. Allison for being able to look past his own. It’s an incredibly important and valuable trait.
@DouwedeJong
@DouwedeJong Год назад
Dale's rant in the beginning is beautiful.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas Год назад
christian youtubers and authors are entirely two faced, they are nice as pie when an atheist (or skeptic) is in the room, but left to themselves they really are the pitts. turek is typical, but mcdowell, however subtle he is, is just as bad. i wouldn't trusy them with measles.
@GoD1014
@GoD1014 Год назад
Remembering my own experience leaving the Christian faith in Alabama, it comes as no surprise to see these people circling Dr. Alison like wolves and accusing him of not being a Christian. There truly is no hate quite like Christian brotherly love.
@link7417
@link7417 Год назад
if it was brotherly everything would be great X3 I know me and my sister (I know but my real older brother died at age 1 and the other came alone way to late) fought quite a bit but there was still love there and no hate
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
...you'd barely know it from this podcast (28:42)...but, no actually right now it is the skeptics who are after him with heir knives...Allison's latest work basically undoes Hume's proto-modernist denial of miracles ...based on consistent historical evidence ... go back and listen very closely to the last part where he tries to inject it in...or watch Dale Allison's "is there Evidence of Miracles" from a week or two ago on "Unbelievable" podcast..
@GoD1014
@GoD1014 Год назад
@AnarchoRepublican I expect skeptics to disagree with a believing Bible scholar. That's normal. It's apologists saying he isn't Christian that is gross. They're painting him as a wolf in sheep's clothing. A dog whistle like that is all many believers need to turn off their ears and ignore him for being a fake Christian
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
@@GoD1014 ...christians have creedal and doctrinally distinct associations...its the very essence of religion... "brother" Dale Allison is unorthodox, perhaps even heretical...so yeah..but nothing personal...big deal...he knows full well what's he's doing...he enjoys it...
@Dragoderian
@Dragoderian Год назад
@@anarchorepublican5954 No true Xtian, indeed.
@humpbackdelorean
@humpbackdelorean Год назад
Listened to Dale Allison's The resurrection audiobook. He does an incredible job at eliminating personal bias and fairly evaluating every argument.
@roqsteady5290
@roqsteady5290 Год назад
And yet he still believes that Jesus rose from the dead in some way or other!? Is that really an elimination of personal bias?
@humpbackdelorean
@humpbackdelorean Год назад
@@roqsteady5290 you should read it and hear how he does. He ends up not being able to defeat rainbow bodies. He believes in his personal experiences and measures the veracity of supernatural claims evenly. I can't speak for him though you should check out his book.
@roqsteady5290
@roqsteady5290 Год назад
@@humpbackdelorean then, from a scientific viewpoint he has it all backwards. He is assuming what he needs to demonstrate. Rainbow bodies, the supernatural, personal experiences all require independent reliable, replicable observations to be taken seriously. Personal experiences don’t really count at all, as they are not independent. He seems like a nice guy though and in a better place than most apologists.
@humpbackdelorean
@humpbackdelorean Год назад
@@roqsteady5290 yes
@Henok-qn6nc
@Henok-qn6nc Месяц назад
@@roqsteady5290 He doesnt need to demonstrate to others to believe it for himself!
@invisiblegorilla8631
@invisiblegorilla8631 Год назад
Reading Dr. Allison's book on the Resurrection right now, and damn, Paul, if this guy ain't the real deal. So stoked to see him on your channel, and a big huge thanks to Dr. Allison for elevating the discourse (as ShannonQ would say).
@rthompsonmdog
@rthompsonmdog Год назад
It was a great book. I am reading E. P. Sander’s Paul: The Apostle’s Life, Letters and Thought now and recommend it as well.
@invisiblegorilla8631
@invisiblegorilla8631 Год назад
@@rthompsonmdog I've got EP Sanders book on Jesus also - I vaguely remember that he had this book on Paul, thank you for recommending it! I'll add it to my growing list.
@professor_thunder
@professor_thunder Год назад
McLatchie lecturing others on the methods of historians is top shelf shamelessness.
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 Год назад
Especially since his degree is in biology.
@mjt532
@mjt532 Год назад
@@michaelsommers2356 Didn't know that! I don't think people should use "Dr." when they're talking about something outside of their specialty.
@mrmaat
@mrmaat Год назад
The contrast between Dr. Allison and Frank Turek couldn’t be more stark.
@paulschlachter4313
@paulschlachter4313 Год назад
God has Lydia McGrew's number on speed dial in case he is not sure whether someone is a Christian or not.
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
🤣
@Forest_Fifer
@Forest_Fifer Год назад
The way Jonathan McLatchie's accent moves from American to Irish to Scottish in the space of a single sentence never fails to amaze me...
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Год назад
Thank you for creating content that is actually “forwardable” to those who disagree.
@cubearthx
@cubearthx Год назад
"oh how I envy you, Dr Allison" 🤣 #metoo
@foppishdilletaunt9911
@foppishdilletaunt9911 Год назад
Frank Turek would never strike me as someone who would dare to engage with a ‘legitimate’ Xian scholar. This should prove illuminating.
@myopenmind527
@myopenmind527 Год назад
I love Dale Allison ❤. He’s intelligent, well considered, well read, intellectually honest, sincere and full of integrity. What is not to like? I respect his options even though I don’t agree with him. I always like to listen to him when I can because I always feel that I can always learn new things from him. I wish him well.
@alexanderweddle3948
@alexanderweddle3948 Год назад
Now that I am 10 years out of Christianity, it seems very strange that people should actually think that a resurrection of Jesus - of anybody - is plausible and warrants serious debate.
@donnievance1942
@donnievance1942 Год назад
The idea that the contents of an ancient book could be compelling evidence for a supernatural event is just ridiculous. What does it matter what the book says? No possible contents of the book can be evidence that the book is true.
@alexanderweddle3948
@alexanderweddle3948 Год назад
@@donnievance1942 that people today even have to consider whether stories about a resurrection could be true…
@Locust13
@Locust13 Год назад
Jonathan mclachey saying that historians should start the practice of just outright accepting entire books as true instead of examining each individual claim made me howl with laughter. What a joke.
@cipherklosenuf9242
@cipherklosenuf9242 Год назад
But he sounds so smart, and he offers what a large Christian audience wants to believe.
@_Omega_Weapon
@_Omega_Weapon Год назад
His debate with Matt Dillahunty was particularly hilarious. He basically rage quits when he is shown how fallacious his reasoning and how big his personal is.
@mugglescakesniffer3943
@mugglescakesniffer3943 Год назад
I miss these type of videos you do. I am glad to see you are still doing them.
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Still doing them. Still my favourite.
@gravitywaves2796
@gravitywaves2796 Год назад
I really like Dale"s cartoon character representation. It really captures his inner sweet grandpa vibe.
@snooganslestat2030
@snooganslestat2030 Год назад
A supernatural event IS outside of history. Really revealing how little they care about truth & honesty.
@jacobvictorfisher8256
@jacobvictorfisher8256 Год назад
I loved Allison’s book. It’s one of the most enjoyable, captivating nonfiction books I’ve ever read. And I’m not even a Christian. Highly recommended!
@fepeerreview3150
@fepeerreview3150 Год назад
9:20 Kudos to Dr. Allison. It's time apologists stop thinking they're historians. And since they won't stop thinking it they need to be called out on it at every appropriate occasion.
@MrMattSax
@MrMattSax 6 месяцев назад
What we have here is a clear illustration of the difference between an historian and an apologist
@scottduke
@scottduke Год назад
Great conversation @Paulogia!! Thank you!
@jeanne-marie8196
@jeanne-marie8196 Год назад
Thank you for this informative conversation, and the link to the course! I am intrigued 🤔
@JeffWishart
@JeffWishart Год назад
Excellent, excellent conversation.
@OscarSommerbo
@OscarSommerbo Год назад
Memories are notoriously unreliable, especially when they are mixed with strong emotions, that is the basis for nostalgia. We enhance "good memories" with additional invented good qualities and likewise with "bad memories" we elaborate on them, making them more scary. And every time we access a memory, it actually gets "rewritten" with new or missing parts. So to assume that the memories of Jesus are unbiased and 100% in alignment with actually happened is a strech.
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
sorry Oscar...but I heard Ronald Reagan speak over 30 years ago...I still remember all his jokes...unenhanced...
@ruthoglesby1805
@ruthoglesby1805 Год назад
@@anarchorepublican5954 if you recall them verbatim, congrats on your rare ability. My guess, though, is that if you do not have a 'photographic' memory, you have refreshed those memories per the prior comment. Either way does not necessarily hold validity in the memory, only of the memory
@jasonsabbath6996
@jasonsabbath6996 Год назад
Got to love apologists who don't know what Supernatural means! It literally means not a natural event. If it's not natural, we can't know if it was real or a claim as we can currently only prove natural things. Now, I believe there is nothing supernatural as I don't believe in resurrection, ghosts, angels, or any other kind of supernatural things. The cognitive dissonance among apologists is wildly insulting.
@dakrontu
@dakrontu Год назад
The best evidence against the resurrection is that it is physically impossible, something people 2,000 years ago did not know, but we all do, though the insistently-deluded don't want reality to apply to their guy.
@jana731
@jana731 Год назад
Yeah there are several reasons for an empty tomb. The most probable could be that someone took the body out of there.
@Cellidor
@Cellidor Год назад
@@jana731 That and there's not even sufficient reason to think there actually _was_ a tomb at _all,_ given 'lost in a mass grave' is by my understanding a more historically accurate assumption.
@2PRO_4U_2NO
@2PRO_4U_2NO Год назад
​@@Cellidor What do think of the objections to the mass grave hypothesis? Personally, I think it's the most likely.
@Cellidor
@Cellidor Год назад
@@2PRO_4U_2NO You'd have to mention particular ones, I don't know off-hand what objections folks have had. I'd have to imagine though that many objections could be met with 'Even if you propose X, is it more likely than the historical truth being 'What happened was the same thing that'd happened many times to other preachers at that time'?'
@couped243
@couped243 Год назад
Thank you for all your research and hard work...
@davidarbogast37
@davidarbogast37 Год назад
Pushing 50 years old here and I still find it so baffling that so many people give so much relevance to Middle Eastern mythology, especially the brands that are so obviously fradulent. I guess that's what happens when you dumb down the populace and then force religion on them. It's quite amazing yet very revealing of human nature...in the face of fear (in this case, death) people will believe anything, and especially so if you teach them to believe in those things when they are children.
@scambammer6102
@scambammer6102 Год назад
yep
@asagoldsmith3328
@asagoldsmith3328 Год назад
The real key is to keep it up until no living person can recall what actually went down when it started. Then it somehow becomes MORE credible!
@rationalmuscle
@rationalmuscle Год назад
Brilliant discussion. I just ordered Dale's book last week and look forward to reading it. Thank you Paul.
@BobLeach_DarkWolf
@BobLeach_DarkWolf Год назад
Excited to watch.
@TheGnewb
@TheGnewb Год назад
This is a fabulous vid/esode. Thanks for publishing it.
@fpcoleman57
@fpcoleman57 Год назад
Just ordered the book. This guy seems to be one of the most objective and honest scholars who is still a believer. He has earned my respect.
@bhandlon
@bhandlon Год назад
We love honesty. Good on you sir
@AurorXZ
@AurorXZ Год назад
Alas, I wish I could afford his course! Always overjoyed to see your videos with Dr Dale :-)
@klumaverik
@klumaverik Год назад
What an awesome video! Tyvm much for this one.❤❤
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
You are so welcome!
@sobertillnoon
@sobertillnoon Год назад
Every time I look at the URL, "DaleJesusQuest" makes me imagine some kind of bible themed adventure game for the nes. My brain is weird.
@joelpartee594
@joelpartee594 Год назад
Can you help me? I need two fish. Try asking people in the crowd.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Год назад
Like those bootleg blue cartridges for the Bible Adventure games.
@galacticbob1
@galacticbob1 Год назад
I agree, and unfortunately I was a huge fan of Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers as a kid. I can't say the name without that damn theme song playing in my head. 😅 Dale's Jesus Quest sounds like the crossover between Bible Adventure and C'nD that I never knew I didn't want.
@Forest_Fifer
@Forest_Fifer Год назад
*Check Inventory* 1 loaf 1 fish 1 pair sandals.
@sbwetherbe
@sbwetherbe Год назад
Thanks Paul. This is a really good one.
@amazingbollweevil
@amazingbollweevil Год назад
My speaker skipped missed first fraction of a second and I heard Frank say "Erection of Jesus." Spit take with coffee is not fun!
@SpaceLordof75
@SpaceLordof75 Год назад
He has risen. 😅 However, surely, he comes quickly.
@Thekeytolifeismusic
@Thekeytolifeismusic Год назад
I’m pretty sure @DrDaleAllison is the most reasonable Christian I’ve ever heard. As a non-believer, I find his approach refreshing after too many lectures from such dogmatic literalists as Frank Turek and WLC. And unlike those guys’ obviously flawed arguments, Dr. Allison’s work seems worth a second glance.
@ethanbergen3217
@ethanbergen3217 Год назад
Dale Allison is such an amazing scholar, thanks for having him on
@jerryhayes9497
@jerryhayes9497 Год назад
Comment for the RU-vid algorithm god 🙏 because that thing actually exists
@stevem7945
@stevem7945 Год назад
Paul has been very generous with Dale's hair 🤫
@scottmaddow7879
@scottmaddow7879 Год назад
I myself would appreciate creative license if I were a caricature.
@chosenskeptic5319
@chosenskeptic5319 Год назад
You can’t prove a theological conclusion historically, because it exists as an assertion only 😮😮😮
@derekgoncz7970
@derekgoncz7970 Год назад
Dr. Allison was my professor and it was great to have him.
@jtbruchaurd3024
@jtbruchaurd3024 5 месяцев назад
Have you ever come across a more thoughtful and honest person than Dale? Never!
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 Год назад
Another great video. Dale Alison is awesome.
@gregoryyoung1758
@gregoryyoung1758 Год назад
I loved the Allison Course. It is less a discussion of the historical facts about Jesus, and more a review of Protestant scholars' theories about gospel interpretation. It was all new content to me. Very enlightening.
@jmaniak1
@jmaniak1 Год назад
Excellent guest!
@Sir_Uncle_Ned
@Sir_Uncle_Ned Год назад
The simple fact that a Christian is rebuking what a fellow Christian is saying shows how fundamentally wrong the theology of claiming to be the one true religion really is
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas Год назад
i know nothing about the bible really, or bible history, i've always been atheist and i always thought snakes and apples sounded like myth, so pardon my confusion but surely if i'm in court and i say i was in the bank vault and i witnessed a shooting, it means i was in the bank vault and i saw someone shoot someone else, which to me translates to, i was in the tomb when jesus was apparently dead but he stood up and asked for a coffee, i was there and witnessed the ACT of resurrecting. "eyewitness to the resurrection" doesn't mean i thought i saw someone alive some time after they were supposed to be dead, it means i was in the tomb with a dead jesus when jesus stood up. there are no "eyewitnesses to the resurrection" - otherwise you're eyewitness to thinking you saw someone previously dead who appears to have come back to life.
@scambammer6102
@scambammer6102 Год назад
dead people don't come back to life period. That is biology and medical science. Zero exceptions.
@chrisclark784
@chrisclark784 Год назад
This is why eyewitness testimony is actually not considered strong evidence in court trials. It is evidence but it is often unreliable.
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Год назад
Thanks for the video :)
@jana731
@jana731 Год назад
Gotta appreciate honest people you don't have to agree on anything but dishonesty and ignorance just divides people. Thank you Mr. Allison!
@Argeaux2
@Argeaux2 Год назад
Great discussion. I learned some new things.
@johnpetkos5686
@johnpetkos5686 Год назад
Amazing insights!
@azorbz9286
@azorbz9286 2 месяца назад
Dr Allison is perhaps my favourite guest Paul has ever had on. The divide he places between what he claims is historically reliable and his beliefs is refreshing. Both athiests and theists often overstate historical claims, and it is great to see Dr Allison's integrity. I also find it very interesting to see a theist's perspective on the Christian apologists that Paul commonly responds to.
@edgarmatzinger9742
@edgarmatzinger9742 Год назад
Great video!
@arrownibent5980
@arrownibent5980 Год назад
I enjoy learning about the complex relationship that religion, science and skepticism have gone through the centuries, because of the weight society has given to established traditions we have all but forgotten the curiosity and development that religious thinking underwent over time. Thanks for the episode Paul
@anarchorepublican5954
@anarchorepublican5954 Год назад
...for an balanced historical understanding of Science and Faith, might I suggest "Logos and Literacy", by prof. Jordan Peterson
@jmike2039
@jmike2039 10 месяцев назад
Damn Paul you are crushing it with these guests.
@stringtheories9820
@stringtheories9820 Год назад
This was very intellectual. I’m gonna need to listen to this again.
@Val3y
@Val3y Год назад
Thank you Dale Allison
@uninspired3583
@uninspired3583 Год назад
If frank turek were honest, he would write his books in alternating caps and non caps letters.
@Tovec8
@Tovec8 Год назад
If he were honest, he wouldn't write his books.
@Julian0101
@Julian0101 Год назад
I dont have enough faith to believe in turek's books, now hear me how i use faith to believe in something i cant use evidence for.
@bubbles581
@bubbles581 Год назад
Ok but I can imagine a hovind book written like that
@paulh.4225
@paulh.4225 Год назад
Never heard of Dr. Allison until this video, but it's nice to find a believer who is honest about what they can and can't prove about Christianity from the standpoint of historical inquiry. I will definitely be checking into more of his work and comparing it to the work of skeptics and apologists alike.
@timeshark8727
@timeshark8727 Год назад
Its funny how quickly they will turn someone from hero to pariah.. sometimes even having people going back and forth depending on the sentences of them they are reading. So many apologists care absolutely nothing for expertise or facts or honesty in favor of cherry picking their own conclusions as good and pointing to everything else as bad/wrong. Here we have one of the top scholars in the field, someone they crow about when his words support their claims, right up until he contradicts their conclusion on one thing, then "he's not a real Christian". The whiplash is astounding. They do the same thing with science too, they cite it whenever they find some sentence that fits then go full science denial and conspiracy in the next breath.
@warrencolegrove1
@warrencolegrove1 Год назад
I like it. I’m still baffled though, that grown ups believe ,and will defend, someone rising from the dead and other miracles.
@stevebeary4988
@stevebeary4988 Год назад
Fascinating. Thank you
@j.christie2594
@j.christie2594 Год назад
Keep up the Good work. Your a prophetic person, not after Profit, based on Hear-sayism. Your channel is doing a Service to those whom would listen.
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan Год назад
I think I see why various apologists are claiming Dr Dale isn't actually christian (even though he is) Several of those apologists are known for their "this book (often one specific version of the book) is 100% the literal word of god anyone who disagrees is (insert insults here)" attitude. So a believer who actually acknowledges historical nuance and that the book isn't 100% covering everything 100% as written would absolutely make some of 'em mad. XD
@d.o.m.494
@d.o.m.494 Год назад
There is no evidence for a resurrection.
@tgrogan6049
@tgrogan6049 Год назад
I appreciate Dr. Allison pointing out the link between the Reformation and the rise of modern skepticism!
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
Right?!? Excellent observation
@tgrogan6049
@tgrogan6049 Год назад
@@Paulogia I have a book by a Roman Catholic publisher “ Saints Who Raised the Dead: true stories of 400 resurrection, miracles“ these stories have a lot better evidence than Jesus! Why don’t Protestants become Roman Catholics been reading too much David Hume???
@ruthoglesby1805
@ruthoglesby1805 Год назад
@@tgrogan6049 A little skepticism does the brain good!
@alexwhitehead-uc6os
@alexwhitehead-uc6os Год назад
Dale is a true gem. It's truly pathetic the way he's being attacked and the true weakness it shows in their position. Any amount of critical thinking is seen as a true threat, no matter the source.
@philzeo
@philzeo Год назад
I would love to have Dale on again! As a Mennonite turned skeptic myself, I'd love to hear if Dale knows anything about that particular sect, as well.
@facundocesa4931
@facundocesa4931 Год назад
Yes! More colabs with this amazing man! Perhaps the Christian I respect most.
@babbisp1
@babbisp1 Год назад
0:00 The music from Hybrid Librarian! Takes me back... 0:54 1:37 2:33 6:47 7:34.. 8:58
@AarmOZ84
@AarmOZ84 Год назад
This class sounds like a fun activity to do during spring break (yes, I really am that boring).
@ViniciusLuiggi
@ViniciusLuiggi Год назад
Dale is my favourite person to still be a chistian, maybe 2nd fav, my granny is pretty poggers too, but i am amazed on how reasanable this dude is, i wish i could understand whta makes him a chistian still that would really help me expand my understading of humans.
@Paulogia
@Paulogia Год назад
He’s had experiences that he feels are best explained with a god. He agrees that this is no reason for anyone other than he to be a believer.
@ViniciusLuiggi
@ViniciusLuiggi Год назад
@@Paulogia thanks i wodner if ur next thought was also "why the cristian god tho? Why not a generic unknow entity?"
@ruthoglesby1805
@ruthoglesby1805 Год назад
@@Paulogia I am very respectful towards personal experiences (although I hold an almost impoverished notion of what 'privileged access' affords).
@Maya_Ruinz
@Maya_Ruinz Год назад
People have been arguing these problems going back to the first century...yes the 1st century. All those bishops and thinkers who were within a hundred years of the crucifixtion didn't have any more evidence then we do now, there just isn't enough information. Everything we know comes from stories passed down from one person to the next and we have no idea if the original story came from eye witnesses or not...what else is there to say?
@_Omega_Weapon
@_Omega_Weapon Год назад
Yes, well that and there's no way to falsify or confirm any supernatural claims. Along with the fact that everything explanation for every phenomenon has always been a natural cause.
@deewesthill1213
@deewesthill1213 Год назад
I'm interested in the many forms of unorthodox Christianity. I look forward to reading Dr. Allison's works.
@OdorEaters
@OdorEaters Год назад
Paul, the introduction to this video had me dying 😂😂
@robertjimenez5984
@robertjimenez5984 Год назад
For me a person that came from a ghost, broke natural laws and is still alive after 2,000 years is ridiculous and on this we have no evidence of this but claims. It make the belief even more ridiculous.
@mickqQ
@mickqQ Год назад
Frank does not want honest, he wants validation…. Or money or both
@jana731
@jana731 Год назад
Yeah it's really sad
@markmello1366
@markmello1366 Год назад
16:35 for all three of them… I’ve yet to find a Christian apologist that I would either like to look like or for my significant other to look like.
@J_Z913
@J_Z913 Год назад
Dale Allison is too pure for this world. The absolute GOAT 🐐
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