Apple IOS 18 Just KILLED Garmin InReach... Here's Why. (Satellite Messaging)

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@borker99 3 месяца назад

Hopefully it'll force Garnin to lower the InReach subscription costs to remain competitive.

@EdwardsNH 3 месяца назад

Well unless it's new price if FREE, I don't see how they're going to sell anymore of these

@Juno_Beach 3 месяца назад

Yep , capitalism

@JimmyShot 3 месяца назад

That’s no lie, while awesome as a tool the current companies are crazy expensive.

@cfdfirefighter 3 месяца назад

@@EdwardsNHI’d still stick with garmin if they lowered the price, cause having a second device, and a more rugged one would be preferable. But if they want to keep the price super high, then I’ll just get the latest iPhone.

@xav_1029 3 месяца назад

I mean they still need the "oh sh!t" mode of the in reach where you flip the switch and they release search and rescue.

@drumdude5211 3 месяца назад

I think the other big difference is the ruggedization of the satellite communication devices. I have both the iPhone and Garmin inReach, but I trust the Garmin way more than my iPhone. It's pretty easy to break a phone in the backcountry or have you ever tried using a touchscreen in the rain. I like that I can basically throw the Garmin down a cliff and it will still work, and the physical buttons can be used in any weather.

@djfabic2540 2 месяца назад

Yeah, I am actually not sure how people don't see the difference. The InReach can last at least 30 days. It is rugged and uses buttons to be able to be used in situations that don't allow for touch screen usage. You don't need to point and search for the satellite. It can automatically share your location via satellite to friends. There is just so much that the InReach can do that the IPhone still can't. Maybe that'll change but for right now it's still not close to being the same thing. I also doubt that Apple will keep the recreational satellite messaging free.

@hristokassovski 2 месяца назад

For occasional users yes but for more rugged mountaineers inreach will still be the king.

@Heretic10001 2 месяца назад

Exactly. This plus the InReach is on a carabiner and less likely to separate from your person than a phone in a pocket if you take a big fall.

@n0dedotorg 2 месяца назад

My InReach 67i spent a week underwater in a creek before someone found it, and still works fine.

@itschamesbitch Месяц назад

@@Heretic10001 Because your pocket is the only place to store a phone

@allenc5108 3 месяца назад

I just bought an iPhone 15Pro specifically for the emergency satellite capability. I am really pleased to hear of the update to text messages via satellite, an unexpected bonus. I am an older outdoor person, but not a serious adventurer who would probably benefit from the Garmin. My concern is a trip-fall injury where I would need help. Thanks for the update information it is well presented.

@humbertopolonia2419 2 месяца назад

You can use it in other devices more older

@OriflammeGaming 2 месяца назад

@@humbertopolonia2419only 14 and up.

@lauraquakenbush7950 17 дней назад

Thanks for the info

@RollGlide 3 месяца назад

Competition is always good for consumers. InReach will need to adjust the pricing model to survive this.

@EdwardsNH 3 месяца назад

To what?! How do they survive this? Currently zero extra charge on the iPhone

@RollGlide 3 месяца назад

@@EdwardsNH Apple is still testing the water. We will know the price within a year or so. They never promised it to be free, and they pay many millions to Globalstar to launch and operate satellites. Apple has never been a philanthropy, they will earn money on this service.

@KarmaticEvolution 3 месяца назад

@@EdwardsNHAndroid users.

@ThePriceIsRising 2 месяца назад

@@EdwardsNH; that will change, no doubt about it. The Apple Ultra watch has a subscription fee for its scuba diving capabilities.

@jackpackage9757 2 месяца назад

@@EdwardsNHsurvive what? This won’t affect Garmin like you claim it will

@ZotmundSzele 3 месяца назад

"I'm lost in the woods" Reply with emoji: haha xD LOL 😂

@TradingWithJesseW 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂🏕️☠️

@paulius.sinkora Месяц назад

This ended up being a really great ad for the Garmin

@juliocruz2784 3 месяца назад

Great feature, but can someone answer this question. If you need to point your device and find a satellite to send a message. Doesn't that mean that the same has to be done to receive a reply also. Seems that you would have to keep that phone in the same position and hope that the person replies asap. Or am I missing something here. Unlike the Garmin inReach the device does not need to be pointed in a particular direction so I would receive my messages as they come in. Would love not to pay for a gamin subscription but that seems to be a big difference in how the devices operate.

@RubenArrieta 3 месяца назад

Redundancy is always welcome.

@JonMills-qi9ke Месяц назад

Like this comment lol

@adquinta Месяц назад

If I’m going out in the sticks or alone then I want both. Because unless you’re going to be lugging around a battery pack your iPhone is gonna die.

@davidgaliata75 16 дней назад

Facts.

@sedricthomas7242 3 месяца назад

This could be a game changer and would definitely have me upgrade my phone by the end of the summer. The subscription is pricey on the Garmin Inreach for the chance you might use it. Here in North Texas on trails it’s nice to have been but rarely necessary.

@JamesWindland 3 месяца назад

I sold my Inreach when I bought my iPhone 15 Pro. I go on a 3 to 4 week hike once a year and do 4 or so overnight hikes in addition to that. I have not felt as though I miss the Inreach, as all I wanted it for was emergency situations anyways. Now that I can send regular messages soon, I would not consider an Inreach again.

@Leon-qh9br 3 месяца назад

does it do two way messaging i go to alaska and i need to communicated with helicopter to fly out

@roamsy 3 месяца назад

Couldnt the dispatcher theoretically communicate with you via a cell phone once you contact them for emergency???

@markymark8472 3 месяца назад

@@Leon-qh9br yes

@Yggdrasil42 3 месяца назад

@@roamsyNot if you're out of reach of cell tower coverage. Which is the whole point of sattelite communication. Otherwise, why not contact them via cell directly?

@chrishorsten7980 2 месяца назад

Just wait till you’re injured and your phone wants you to move to another spot, or point your phone at some specific part of the sky with your broken arm. Can you hear me now? 😂

@MattLitkeRacing 2 месяца назад

On my motorcycle I have my iPhone attached to the handle bars and the inReach is on me. If I have a crash that separates me from the iPhone I have a backup on me. Doesn’t hurt to have two options in remote areas

@christopheraviles6848 6 дней назад

I recently bought an inreach. And I’m glad I have it, those extra few ounces are outweighed by how useful it is. Having that similar capability on my phone is nice, but I’m doing a lot of other things on my phone as well. The peace of mind that knowing my tracker battery won’t die is well worth it to me

@giro994 2 месяца назад

Apparently sending your location via Find My iPhone is already in there, at least with iOS 17.5.1. I was backpacking in Desolation Wilderness without cell service for a few days. I turned off airplane mode to try to get signal at the top of a hill, but it didn't quite have it. 2-3 hours later, the iPhone dinged and asked if I wanted to send my location via satellite. So I followed the directions of pointing the iPhone. With steep rock around, the first try failed but it let me know another satellite would be by in 7 minutes. I tried again about 10 minutes later and it worked. I don't know if the prompting was due to not having signal for a couple hours when not in airplane mode, or based on being out of cell coverage for 3 days. Either way, it was fun to try it out. And talking to people on our local search and rescue teams, while other options are still seeing more use, the iPhone SOS feature has helped them find people at least a few times already. Further messaging options will be well used here, since many of the local ski resorts have areas with no cell coverage, along with some of the summertime trails here.

@username65585 3 месяца назад

Battery life is a big difference but is the subscription cost of the InReach really worth the difference? You can just carry a battery pack.

@SkepticalRaptor 3 месяца назад

I would just turn off my iPhone because it uses a lot of power trying to find cell towers. That could increase battery life by days. When I need my iPhone for an emergency or to upload to RU-vid (if you’ve got a 5G signal), I could turn it on. I think you could really extend the battery by a lot.

@shimona500 3 месяца назад

Remember that iphone also has a subscription after some years

@shlonk 3 месяца назад

⁠@@SkepticalRaptoryea my 15 pro max lasts like 4-5 days on airplane mode in the bush. Only activating data when I know I’m in a service spot. And that’s with using the camera/offline maps/even some music here and there. The battery is really good when you’re not scrolling instagram for 10 hours on 5G lol

@SkepticalRaptor 3 месяца назад

@@shlonk Yeah, there are a lot of things one can do to increase battery life that aren't going to have a material impact on the usefulness of the iPhone on the PCT or CDT or anywhere. And I'm one of those people who thinks if you can minimize the number of devices, the better off everyone is. No one is thru hiking carrying a huge Canon camera with three lenses, they're just carrying their iPhone to catch photos of bears on the trail.

@SkepticalRaptor 3 месяца назад

@@shimona500 You know that how? Are you Tim Cook's partner? Because Apple hasn't said anything and the SOS feature has been out for almost two years. It's still free. If you've heard something verifiable, please share because we're all dying to know.

@bearswife1 3 месяца назад

Curious about the SOS feature. Having just used the SOS feature on my inreach, I was so grateful how it worked to help an injured hiker. With the message feature, will it give the person you send a message to the exact GPS location to them like the inreach does?

@cutterdevil 3 месяца назад

I am considering replacing my old iPhone XS with the upcoming iPhone 16 Pro because of the satellite SOS feature. When I lived in Hong Kong, the cell network coverage was excellent, eliminating the need for a satellite device. However, now that I have moved to BC, I worry about how to call for help when I go to the countryside. Some of my friends suggest buying an InReach, but I don't want to spend money on and carry an extra device. Therefore, I think the satellite feature on the iPhone is definitely a game-changer compared to other recreational satellite devices on the market.

@JerelMcCollum 3 месяца назад

You’ve been killing it with all of these videos! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@ChaseTheSummit 3 месяца назад

Thanks!

@JerelMcCollum 3 месяца назад

@@ChaseTheSummit also with these added improvements to the ecosystem, it makes it really interesting how it can be implemented into future Apple Watch Ultras. I have all Apple products but also big into fitness. I’m just hoping for a AWU to last more than a few days.

@Aquamick 3 месяца назад

Will there be any tracking so if something did happen I can be tracked to a 10min walking area like the In reach? Battery life is an issue, carry a spare but wet connection, slow wireless etc. Can you text with big gloves on in -5C on a Scottish mountain like last week? Its a nice extra feature to have for a majority of people but wont replace my admittedly expensive In reach subscription yet, what price do you put on life??

@Phil995_co Месяц назад

One thing to note is that Inreach uses the Iridium satellite network (66 satellites), which is more robust than the iPhone’s satellite feature that relies on Globalstar’s network (24 satellites). In some valleys, it’s possible you may not get a signal. Additionally, the recently released Starlink Mini could make this market more competitive, especially if Starlink broadens its services in this area.

@b00sted08 2 месяца назад

This is super nice to hear. I will still be keeping my inreach though for the redundancy and the tracking. I go off-roading in my truck and dirt bike to a lot of remote places having the redundancy in case one breaks or runs out of battery is nice and when I’m out on my own my family being able to track my route is nice

@Johak1982 3 месяца назад

I would stop using my garmin simply just because how time consuming and unnecessary complicated the setup is.And it’s pretty expensive to use to. I live in Sweden so probably won’t be available here soon but will be using this feature for sure instead of the garmin.

@UrbanArmed 3 месяца назад

Depending on the cost this might be a game changer. I have a pro max with big battery my InReach mini battery isn’t that long lasting anyway

@shredcity7217 3 месяца назад

What about receiving messages when in an area without service. Do you just get them randomly when you cross into a satellite area?

@ChaseTheSummit 3 месяца назад

If it works like the SOS feature you would need to keep the phone aimed in a position towards the satellite to keep the connection established for 2-way communication to work. I suppose that's another question that needs to be answered!

@dantheman2245 3 месяца назад

Long time inReach user while off grid for backpacking and camping. I am very excited to see this feature come to my iPhone, but the single unanswered question/thing to consider…the SAR insurance plan is a great $30 peace of mind to have… Is there a bill for SAR if you request it on an iPhone?

@keshmo12 3 месяца назад

Look into what area you're going to and if they have free search and rescue. Idaho is all free SAR as long as you didn't purposely get lost. I believe a lot of west coast USA is free. Garmin selling snake oil to some customers in free areas.

@Kaiser333333 3 месяца назад

Even if they have to airlift you out with a helicopter? Somehow I doubt it would be free. my company actually sold that as a possible health insurance addon. I did buy it one year when doing some multi week hiking in remote areas.

@keshmo12 3 месяца назад

@@Kaiser333333 I live by the ocean and people get rescued by helicopter all the time by the coast guard and I've never heard of people getting charged for it. They also don't charge to rescue you off a mountain. It's mostly volunteer workers. You're only liable if you're breaking the law being there or you are blatantly making bad choices with intent to get rescued.

@russwright 3 месяца назад

That's the first question that came to my mind as well. Maybe SAR insurance can be purchased separately. I won't miss the Garmin subscription and billing system (horrible mess). I'd rather pay $40/year than risk a $70K+ for a helicopter rescue. Not clear if Apple covers the rescue costs (in places where you do get charged).

@ab185 3 месяца назад

I own an inReach and hate the way Garmin has setup their subscription model, so very excited about this.

@UrbanArmed 3 месяца назад

Same, yes you can pause it but come on, 35 a month?

@barryfrombarnsley2790 3 месяца назад

When Apple first announced satellite communication they said eventually they intend on it being a subscription model too.

@PersonaN007Grata 3 месяца назад

@@barryfrombarnsley2790Exactly this. I think we all know that they’re giving out free samples and wants us to get hooked. Classic drug dealer tactics.

@MIAMIC70 3 месяца назад

Ditto

@MIAMIC70 3 месяца назад

@@barryfrombarnsley2790Rather pay Apple that nickel and diming Garmin

@DLR_Oli 2 месяца назад

Tried it this past weekend, a little finicky trying to get the signal from the satellite, but def works!

@sxhrgvs 3 месяца назад

I was waiting to hear what it cost and am surprised it’s free. It’s a great feature, though you still have to worry about battery life, so do you end up carrying a spare battery for the phone (but were you doing that anyway…). Can’t be good news for the garmin in any case.

@solebrother9620 3 месяца назад

As you mention Dave, battery life is still quite key here. Having satellite messaging from an iPhone is great (I'd maybe consider switching my Samsung Android to iPhone for this feature, but only when any future service costs are disclosed). For multi-day events or adventures, Garmin InReach etc definitely have the advantage for peace of mind/dependability - critical when you most need it - in an emergency.

@JeffPelletier 3 месяца назад

Yep, no way you’d rely on a phone while on a backcountry ski trip, for example.

@BenMilford 3 месяца назад

You will need a way to charge both devices in most cases. A small battery bank can easily get you a few days of additional life when in power saving modes.

@DeejaySlamBB 3 месяца назад

Carrying an extra battery with your iPhone would stil be a better deal

@melgross 3 месяца назад

I don’t find it a problem. It’s cheap to buy a large battery for your phone and watch. They’re small and don’t weigh much either, so carrying it isn’t a problem. As far as charges go, it’s been free so far and Apple hasn’t given a date as to when (or even if!), or how much it would cost. So it’s free now and Apple tends to give plenty of notice if they plan to charge definitely anytime.

@jenHry-ng3pw 3 месяца назад

If you really need it and the phone breaks, you are dead. Also, iPhone satelite works like in 10 countries around the world.

@zisimoszisopoulos7482 3 месяца назад

Maybe I completely missed it, but is this feature actually available all over the world? As far as I remember last year it was only available for USA-Canada-AUS.. Keep up the good job!l💪🏽 I’m considering your reviews before every single hike tech related purchase I make 😅

@ChaseTheSummit 3 месяца назад

As of now it's going to launch in the USA and then expand over time similar to the SOS feature launched last year. SOS is available in 16 countries so I'd assume the same countries will get this but time will tell!

@adventureundone 3 месяца назад

I was in a motorcycle accident in the mountain last year. No cell service off road in the mountains. Used my iPhone 14 Pro Max to get help, worked great (minus a few clouds) I also keep my Apple Watch on me so I always have it on me all the time, and it will communicate with the phone.

@DattatreyaSAIKISHORE 3 месяца назад

The important factor would be the which regions would be covered as initially when they rolled out the satellite SOS feature it was only available in US and Canada. and it is still not available in the region were I live so I think Garmin and Moto wont be going away anytime soon.

@p.richter9592 3 месяца назад

Yeah, still a lot of countries that can’t use this iPhone feature. Also, an inReach is much more robust than an iPhone, and the battery time is much better. I use a Garmin 66i, so I have the inReach function, and also maps for navigation. It’s a great device.

@arnoglock5087 2 месяца назад

Exactly this! Incorrect to say that it works in the middle of the ocean, afaik.

@kavansurf 3 месяца назад

So I was debating on getting the inreach 2, Messenger, or Zoleo. I am a hunter and often am out of cell range. We used to use the Garmin Rino walkie, gps, and locator. however looks like Garmin phased those out a while back. Rather than spend $300+ on an inreach 2 i could apply that cost to upgrading my iphone 13 pro max to the 16 pro max. I use OnX maps and they work great with or without cell service. Im pretty sure the map apps on cell phones give Lat/Long with or without cell service now. I'm sold!

@LilRuby1961Bonanza Месяц назад

My husband and I are hunters and both carry Inreach mini’s … we split up a lot to check out different areas to hunt and like to stay in touch at designated times. I feel they are a huge backup to our iPhone 14 Pros, and would not want to just rely on the phone/battery life. I do carry a solar charger for my devices, but when in the back country of the Rocky Mountains, you can’t be too careful! The weather and tracking abilities of our inreach’s is huge! Worth the cost and the subscription price !

@gdunner4855 3 месяца назад

Just used it yesterday. Only problem is they won’t send a message to a group chat and everyone has to run iOS 18 for it to go through. You can’t send satelite messages to non 18 iOS so far.

@gpwildcat77 Месяц назад

Great point

@scottschwab3025 27 дней назад

Then you are saying the guy speaking in the video is incorrect because he went over the fact that when you send a message to a non-iPhone device, it will come up in a green bubble as opposed to an iPhone device using a blue bubble.

@TalkativeMime1 3 месяца назад

For backpacking always bring a battery bank anyways so battery life not as big of an issue. Makes the iPhone much more appealing for people who maybe go out 3-4 times a year

@joshuadtaft 2 месяца назад

A lot can still go wrong with a phone, so my argument for the inreach is redundancy, durability, and simplicity. Plus the live track is a plus over the iPhone as if something goes wrong and you can’t call for help, there’s a better chance you can be found

@marnienrichaaron5813 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the info, I personally did buy and Apple just for the SOS capabilities, my first Apple. Not happy with the overall Apple experience, but the peace of mind the SOS adds is worth the Apple pain is the tush way of doing things. This new feature will be great if it is not to costly, as I spend a lot of time outside of any cellular service.

@petergab734 3 месяца назад

I am a pilot and sent several text messages without any issues at 30,000 feet. I don’t have WiFi in the aircraft I fly so it’s been absolutely amazing. Messages have gone pretty fast and without any issues within a few seconds. I am glad I didn’t waist $300 plus monthly subscription on the Garmin inreach

@brennerborec3422 3 месяца назад

How? Do you have ios18 beta?

@petergab734 3 месяца назад

Yes. I downloaded ios18

@brennerborec3422 3 месяца назад

@@petergab734 That’s pretty crazy! This is game changing for sure but I’ve heard not all countries are going to support text through satellite.

@phxrsx 3 месяца назад

Mf said waist.

@thebtanker592 3 месяца назад

I've sent snapchat videos over cellular from +30,000ft... who needs IOS18 when in a plane 😂

@hair2050 3 месяца назад

I have a 13 pro max and was planning to upgrade to the 16 when it is available. Hopefully the battery life is good. For some time I have believed that a good new phone with all of the automatic seeking features turned off has more than enough battery for several days when using it intermittently. But going to just one device, no spare battery, requires extra care of that device. Breaking it, very bad idea. So in addition to a screen protector and good solid case, additional protection should be used. If you don’t need it much stuff it in your pack. If you need it on hand, for maps or photos, a hard case perhaps 🤔.

@FieldingSmith 3 месяца назад

Tmobile working with starlink to bring txt then voice and data is probably a bigger deal, but won’t be ready for primetime for a while. They just started testing it this spring.

@bluenetmarketing Месяц назад

Fielding - The better tmobile version is what I am waiting for.

@DartmoorPaul 3 месяца назад

Waited to upgrade my phone to the 15 from the 12 for this feature and save the cost on a Garmin. Offset one against the other, one device to do it all. Perfect. But yes, I get why people would want both as “all eggs in one basket” comes to mind.

@proton7113 3 месяца назад

However it seems you cannot download GRIB weather files over satellite on iPhone, but you can on inreach. Would be perfect if they add this as well. As a sailor this is a necessity.

@Dundertaker1 3 месяца назад

We just had a family member use the in-reach to get help for a fallen hiker… saved her life. Essential for adventurers. If this works as advertised, this is a great leap forward.

@codraven57 2 месяца назад

I have Zoleo and love it……I also have an iPhone so it will boil down to cost.

@TheMetaSD 3 месяца назад

I don’t think this kills inreach at all, I think this just kills inreach messages. I can just use the basic SOS and weather features on inreach and leave all the messaging to my iPhone.

@hstone-kf7su День назад

Have an iPhone 15P and Inreach explorer+, cost is minimal and using the app it’s easier than this option. No searching for signal, just type and go. Not to mention the many other features the Garmin boasts over the iPhone.

@DingDong-fq2mo 3 месяца назад

It definitely won't kill the InReach and the like. It would surely dent sales. If I were out for the day with this feature, I'd likely leave the inreach at home. If I were out on a 7 day hike, I'd have a phone with this feature plus an inreach. On my last 6 day hike, i didn't even recharge the inreach mini.

@GetOutsideYourself 7 дней назад

I'm about to leave for my trek in a remote part of Nepal, updating my iphone 15 pro max to iOS 18 as I type. Will this work overseas?

@gedlyman1 День назад

From what I read it works in USA and Canada. So I don’t think it’ll work in other countries. Does anyone have a different opinion?

@barrydraper 3 месяца назад

I think this will cause some serious reevaluation of rates, for stand-alone GPS devices to remain relevant on a larger scale. Also, I heard Apple is limiting satellite text messages to 140 characters per message. You can also text / share your location coordinates, battery status, etc. This is a game changer for iPhone.

@TicoFAm_outdoors 3 месяца назад

I´m not an Iphone user, so not changing my mind that the inreach is the better option. But the fact that you have just the need to press a button to initiate the SOS assistance, rather than going to different steps to try to get the Iphone in line with a satelite, and the fact that battery in the inreach will last for days, rather than the Iphone, still is a universe of difference to me to keep the inreach.

@p.richter9592 3 месяца назад

My thoughts exactly. When you’re in trouble, you need a device that is very easy to operate. You may be hurt, unable to move too much, and with an inReach you just have to push the button.

@matt_kelly 2 месяца назад

I hope this gets better, but without a dedicated radio I’m worried about how strong the satellite signal is. I’ve never had a problem sending a message with my InReach, I just type it out, hit send, and reconnect it to my backpack and keep riding. It seems if you have to stand around pointing it at the sky to send it’s less useful. I imagine the iPhone will get some tracking feature in the future, until then I’ll continue to have both.

@dustyroads834 2 месяца назад

I have it now using a 14 pro max on public beta. I also have a Zoleo. All I can say is that it works. It picks up satellites quickly as long as you orient your phone. I’ve sent 2 messages and received 2 reply’s within seconds. Still feel like there is a lot to learn so I’m not giving up my Zoleo subscription just yet.

@momonthetrail 12 дней назад

Another feature of the garmin is the optional rescue insurance. In the event of rescue, that bills would be extremely expensive. Since I do some of my backpacking trips with my 10 year old son, having the insurance gives me peace of mind.

@jacobjstevens 2 месяца назад

I used my iPhone to send my location via satellite for the first time yesterday to see how it compares to my inReach. It took 20 minutes and three attempts, so not quite there as a stand-alone solution yet. I had to wait 6 minutes for a satellite to come into range, then when it did show up it was behind a ridge. It might have worked if there wasn’t heavy cloud cover, but I still had to go another mile or so to get around the mountain before it would send. I also had to actively hold the phone and direct it, so it won’t retry until I tell it too. The passive nature of sending a message or location with the inreach and trusting it to retry on its own until it sends is still worth the extra cost.

@backpackingcapebreton 3 месяца назад

Total game changer!! Amazing that it’s via iOS update and not withholding it for the new iPhone.

@Dedimoldu9 3 месяца назад

It is only for 14 and up.

@backpackingcapebreton 3 месяца назад

@@Dedimoldu9 and only in USA, I found out. Useless to me in Canada.

@mrjeffjob 2 месяца назад

Yes but Canada is useless to us too. 🫣😇. Just kidding. 😅

@fournierluc2205 26 дней назад

I agree that the IPhone has limitations compared with InReach including a much less capable satellite network but for many infrequent users, day hikers, it may be more than enough. It may also drive subscription prices down for other devices. One of the features is sending position regularly and this may be possible with Apple Intelligence that makes it possible to automate tasks like sending position data at regular intervals to a recipient that feature is also launching with IOS 18

@OzTecMarine 2 месяца назад

I was about to get an inreach for my plane but holding off now. The Garmin subscription doesn’t make sense and seems costly

@SparkyInCali 3 месяца назад

I tried this out multiple times last weekend. It worked well enough for my needs. Sending messages took maybe 30seconds to a minute. I wasn’t timing it. It didn’t seem to have any real effect on battery life. The message I received back and others received from me didn’t have any kind of indication they were sent over satellite. I did manually check for incoming messages for after I was done sending I would turn off the satellite feature until I wanted to check.

@314adv 2 месяца назад

What would keep me with inReach are two things. I ride off road and use my phone for navigation. 1.) As such I have the inReach attached to my person in case I get separated from my motorcycle. 2.) inReach offers insurance in case you are rescued - which could save tens of thousands of dollars. Will Apple provide a similar feature? or can I purchase this insurance somewhere else?

@tonybowen455 2 месяца назад

Rewatched this one after watching your follow up vid to this. I def can see myself switching back to iphone in a year or two just for this.

@JadeWrenAU 16 дней назад

Continuous tracking plus SOS support with its single button initiation is core for those involve with off grid activities such as ocean sailing. This is why I am willing to pay Garmin’s subscription. My Inreach complements but does not replace the EPIRB I am required to carry. Apple’s satellite messaging appears to be basic message capabilities at the time. It is also dependent on Starlink satellites and I am sure that Elon will exact as many dollars as he can in the future!

@jbonewitz 3 месяца назад

Regarding battery life, if you were worried about it, some pretty small battery banks are available, some even part of an existing device, like a flashlight. That would make a nice backup.

@GarethLa 3 месяца назад

It may convert the weekend warrior or trail walkers but for true expeditions having a dedicated device is still best. I can see, in the future , needing to register with Apple pay and getting charge 20c per message or similar, which, if using for emergency is perfectly reasonable

@BillOzanne 3 месяца назад

The problem is there aren’t enough expedition users to keep this service afloat for Garmin. There are people who will still need a Garmin. The vast majority of people do not. I’m canceling my plan before it renews in August.

@myronhorvathsk 8 дней назад

I’ve had a bit of experience with the gps on iPhones. They use the Globalstar network which does not have coverage as good as the Iridum network that Garmin uses. Also in event of serious injury the steps needed for the iPhone gps system could prove very difficult whereas the Garmin does not require those steps to make an sos message. Also from a durability standpoint Garmin units would be far more durable.

@russpaton8877 24 дня назад

Doesn't even come close to replacing Garmin or anything on IRidium network (Zoleo/Bivy/Defy) now Wil it replace Spot on the Globalstar network it shares likely.

@TheChivasRegal 2 месяца назад

0:07 Tim Cook should really be careful on that “sloped” roof given recent events.

@MurrayCallaghan 2 месяца назад

Incomplete. You are assuming similar reliability and range. The inreach is mostly a large external antenna

@nunosapunso6239 3 месяца назад

This will be great for off-roading in remote areas.

@rogeremeadows 2 месяца назад

Great review and exciting news! The one concern I have is the iPhone is a relatively fragile device along with it being a constant battle about battery life especially in cold weather. In my opinion, the Inreach type devices should still remain as your “go to” for emergency situations. When “things hit the fan”, there is a great peace of mind knowing you have a device that will work.

@phillipkasper9850 Месяц назад

I'd upgrade my current I phone for that in a heartbeat. Just carry a portable charging unit, they are small and would fit in the pocket, Or a mini solar charger?

@scottschwab3025 27 дней назад

I want to know if my iPhone 15 can make a satellite SOS call or message via voice if I can’t move. Also, if I hold the side button and either up or down buttons to go into the SOS/power off screen, will the phone be smart enough to use satellite 🛰️

@leezavarise 3 месяца назад

Great overall summary. But the Iphone does not replace the Inreach (I guess depending on your adventure type it might) #1 reason, battery life. I have used the Inreach in week long back packing trips with tracking on and still ended up with over 50% battery left. Your Iphone is good for a day, unless you leave your phone off and then have to turn it on when you break your leg? You can bring a battery pack to keep your phone charged but I think most people would rather pack light. I mean the argument could be made that people are bringing their phone anyway. Overall though I'd still trust the InReach over the Iphone in emergency situations.

@beingsneaky 8 дней назад

Yeah they kinda skipped over it because perhaps its.. not even beta it could be delta produce??? Not really ready for consumer use.

@6527mjap 3 месяца назад

This will change the way I go places. It’s going to be one hell of an adventure. I knew this is coming 5 years ago. This is one thing I like about iphone, since they rolled out iphone 10, I have noticed the gps is getting clearer every time they roll out a new iphone. This will help me with my work in the bush specially in winter time.

@AndyDennis 3 месяца назад

So this is a game changer for me. I'm a very happy S23 Ultra user but the ability to use Satellite without a 3rd party device is key. Just imagine you could share your location via a simple message for easy check-ins . I guess it could be automated in an app for 30min check-ins as not to hit the bandwidth too much .. Anything you can share over iMessage or text becomes satellite enabled. This is a killer feature ! What about travel and you want a simple message device and don't need to pay for a data plan or another SIM and don't have to pay extortionate roaming fees ? Looks like its time to switch back to an iPhone !

@secretsbodyshots9832 3 месяца назад

Samsung doesn’t have that

@scopescaroutdoors 2 месяца назад

Having a separate device, I think it’s always a good thing. taking videos and pictures on your phone does eat up memory and battery life pretty quick specially if you’re filming in 4K. I have the inreach mini 2. and I love it!! The inreach has many days worth of battery life. Plus it’s more waterproof water resistant in the iPhone is. Specially, in saltwater, which I’m constantly.

@andycrites2589 2 месяца назад

I live with my Garmin Inreach here in Northwest Montana, but would love to drop another device from my pack load. Main question is: will this apple feature require purchase of the latest-greatest iPhone (I have a 14) or will an IOS operating system update handle it?

@ChaseTheSummit 2 месяца назад

14 and newer are compatible!

@thepopmanbrad Месяц назад

i heard that the satalite features arent going to stay free forever only like a year after purchase of your phone but idk im still not sure about all this and how it all works

@skinnie88 3 месяца назад

Don't know about your experience but my iphone 13 mini, once it get's cold it can surprisingly eat up the battery and shut down. Would not rellay on a sos device that does this. But for sure for the occasional user, and depending on the price could be interesting

@pnwadventurist 3 месяца назад

This is a big game changer for sure. I've always been an android user but spend a lot of time offroading and hiking in the mountains. Depending on how this works out I might switch

@gtm624 3 месяца назад

This is a game changer!!! I have a 15pro max and I’m a pilot. I can get spotty service sometimes up to 6,000 but most the time I can’t send any messages.

@OriflammeGaming 2 месяца назад

Most likely the signal strength of tx is going to be much worse, which makes it a real last resort. I’d really be curious if Iridium starts charging less, because they’re the ones making this so expensive to begin with

@SunshineHB 24 дня назад

Why I’m a daily Apple user, Garmin tactix and Inreach all day in the back country. The tactix is an insane value for the price. 30 day battery, 72 hours of continuous topo GPS, flashlight, etc. the inreach is just an eject button at this point.

@tl56kmair 2 месяца назад

Where i live and fish we have some steep walled canyons. My Defy never could get a signal. Not sure if the phone would. I have a spotX and it always gets a signal and i can easily message from it. Yes it's an extra devise but it's never left me stranded.

@preislerjan 7 дней назад

Important questions are: 1) battery life- inReach Messenger lasts up to 650 hours with a text message or location sent every 10 minutes. 2) coverage- is this SOS on nonSOS satellite feature going to work only in US or everywhere?

@ChaseTheSummit 7 дней назад

1.) correct InReach has longer battery life but you could also just keep your phone off until you need it since it doesn't have any other off-grid features other than being a camera? 2.) Right now only in the USA but that will likely expand over the coming years. For example, SOS over satellite on apple is available in 18 different countries and growing.

@preislerjan 7 дней назад

@@ChaseTheSummit yeah! I think that iPhone might be great option as an "emergency brake" to have it by your side all the time and for some regular hiking in Canada for example. But for real expeditions etc., satellite communicators and phones will still have the place here. IMHO :)

@planesandbikes7353 3 месяца назад

We've seen wilderness go from zero coverage of any kind around here, to Spot and Inreach, to semi-unified cell coverage with US-Canada which puts wilderness trails here in touch with cell service as we are along the border. I have an Inreach new in the box I got on sale 3 years ago - I better sell it asap. I guess my Spot is worthless.

@franksilvia3402 2 месяца назад

My 14 pro max shows the sos when I’m off the grid, hopefully it will work on that model also. I recently went out on a hike and for 20 minutes it loses reception, but my wife was able to track me the whole time with live share from all trails.

@Peezy71421 3 месяца назад

I have an inReach, I use an Iridium Sat Phone, I have an iPhone. Neither replaces each other for their intended roles. Also the Iridium satellite constellation network has almost 100% worldwide coverage. I will add that I do synch my iPhone with my InReach.

@KidCodyRunning 3 месяца назад

Will it be able to track bread crumbs via satellite as well? Then you could use it for FKT attempts as well which would be amazing

@bradfinntrains 3 месяца назад

I hope this works out! Would be a game changer for fast packing adventures. Live track would crush garmin

@jo2outdoors Месяц назад

Does Apple offer an insurance similar to the garmin to help cover the cost of rescue if needed?

@ChaseTheSummit Месяц назад

No, but in reality this latest update is less about emergency use and more about recreational use to send messages like "Setting up camp" "Running late" etc...

@billwaterhouse5894 3 месяца назад

Not getting rid of inreach…yet at least. Riding adventure motorcycles off grid, I may be injured and unable to move around searching for satellites (or could I 🤷🏼‍♂️). Now that it has the text feature, next time in the middle of nowhere, I will test and see how intuitive it is. Can I locate service while laying on the ground for instance if I had a broken leg etc. Thanks for the information. Great video.

@TheRemyRomano Месяц назад

You don’t want my mom providing your weather briefing? She’s going to say oh I think it’s going to rain. Maybe you better come back home. 😮

@BobBob-il2ku 14 дней назад

Can you sms/iMessage via satellite with an iPhone 14 (or newer) that does not have a SIM card/carrier plan? Ie no Verizon/AT&T ect?

@ChaseTheSummit 14 дней назад

Needs to be active on a carrier

@NixonAngelo 2 месяца назад

I'd like to know the availability/reliability of Apple's satellite network. Are they using their own network? Or maybe the same as Garmin's? Considering Garmin has been in the GPS game since 1989, I might be inclined to trust them more. With Apple, it seems like an afterthought and intended for the casual camper/hiker or you're simply in an area without cell reception like on a long stretch of highway or on a mountain road. I think I trust Garmin with my life more than Apple. Hopefully Samsung/Google jumps on the bandwagon.

@alanderson78 3 месяца назад

When I am out on the trail, I can get out the InReach, send a check-in with a few button presses, and put it away immediately. The message will send in the next minute or 2 without having to point in a particular direction. Will you have to aim the iPhone to check for new received messages? I think it is a step in the right direction, but not going to work for everyone right now. Starlink is also developing direct-to-cell satellites. The need for a device like InReach may diminish, but will be around for a while.

@kermitzforg 2 месяца назад

I was in Africa recently and the Inreach worked well and needed minimal charging...my iPhone needs constant charging...big problem! My family was able to track my progress real-time with the Inreach. Also Garmin uses a global, robust satellite network which Apple is North America only last I checked. Also I was able to send messages from my plane over the Atlantic from the InReach...not sure the Apple directional antenna would have been able to do that in side a giant metal tube!

@yuridantilio435 Месяц назад

I think that new iPhone feature may push Garmin to be more competitive. However, a smartphone has some weaknesses: battery life, easy to break, touchscreen is not always the best solution. I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max, but I would definitely go with Garmin inReach Mini during hiking. I have a garmin 67i but the observations are similar.

@ArchNeesh 2 месяца назад

Does it have to be a iPhone 15?

@nathanenns 3 месяца назад

How often have you used your InReach Dave?

@ChaseTheSummit 3 месяца назад

I used to carry it religiously on just about every trip. Moreso in winter months when I'd hike or ice climb solo or with a single partner in avalanche terrain. What's funny is 5-6 years ago it was almost an essential in the White Mountains of New Hampshire where I typically recreate. These days though, cell phone service has gotten so much better to the point where I can make a call from just about anywhere in my local hills without worrying too much about service. If I'm planning something epic I'll still carry the InReach though (and usually just leave it off).

@SeeksWomderNWisdom 3 месяца назад

Sometime back while traveling through a sparsely populated very rural area I had cell service but was "not allowed' to make a call and I now have learned that cell phone companies can, will and do restrict cellular service for the general public to prioritize service to authority. Allowing emergency and limited satellite cellular service could be a huge benefit without the tremendous expenses of a satellite phone and associated service plan. Wasn't Tmobile going to add some level of satellite service? This sounds like a reality changer to me... TELL ME MORE!!!